The Who's Better Poll #2

[Dr. Stinger A. Zoidberg]

Ok, Poll #1 was a huge success, Poll 2 is going to be between Sting and Steve Austin

Lets take a look at their stats:

Sting:
6X WCW Champion
2X WCW International Champion
3X WCW Tag Team Champion
2X WCW US Champion
1X WCW TV Champion
2X NWA World Champion
3X TNA World Champion
1X TNA Tag Team Champion

SCSA:
1X WCW US Champion
1X WCW TV Champion
1X NWA Tag Team Champion
6X WWE Champion
2X Intercontinental Champion
4X World Tag Team Champion

This is a tough one, Both of these men are legends and have had many title reigns. But, the amount of titles you have had doesnt make you better. Both were great in the ring and can make anyone look good. Austin would have been better if he hadnt hurt his neck. Sting however is still wrestling today, and is one of the best in his company.

It's a toughie, but Sting takes the win here IMO.

 

[l--EDGE--l]

I remember growing up and watching WCW late night on TV, and Superstars (thats all we got in New Zealand pretty much before Royal Rumble 99, then came Raw!) and Sting didnt do alot for me. Austin was awesome, gotta be up there with my second favourite of all time. Sure he wasnt the same after stuffing his neck, but he could get a crowd behind him alot more than Sting could - Austins pops were incredible - and if he was wrestling today, those two would put on an awesome show if given the chance - but Austin is a head above!

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Im going with the HHH-Hogan Effect here with Sting taking the pick. Sting is arguably the greatest professional wrestler in the industry to not compete in or be contracted to the WWE as a professional wrestler. He has accomplished so much in history to become a sure-fire HOF without stepping into the WWE.

That is an achievement in its own right. He has been with the B company for most of his time as a wrestler & made himself famous. Sorry Steve, but Sting wins this one.

 

[jscthegreat]

Well, this is easy. Austin hands down. Not too much Sting has done is impressive in my eyes. I mean yeah, he is a legend in his own right of course, but Austin has done a lot more in his career. Sting could go anywhere in the world and get a decent pop, Austin could go anywhere and people would mark the F out. Austin built 3 great characters during his career as well, ok 4 if you include the ringmaster hahahaha jk, but he made every gimmick he had work to the point of where WCW had to control him and Brian Pillman. Sting has had a successful gimmick (with variations but still the same) so in this case it's gotta go to Austin.

 

[ShastaMcNasty83]

Im going with Austin All the way i like sting but he really never did to much for me as a fan and i liked him before he went to the crow look but stone cold on the other hand i believe is amazing imo i mean he was not the greatest mat wrestler but he could hold his own just watch any match with bret hart or his match with benoit where he could not do any moves but mat moves and the crowd would go crazy for him as soon as his music hit and he has been involved in the some of the most memorable moments in wrestling history and if it wasnt for his two neck surgeries even with his bad knees he would probably still be kicking ass for awhile longer

 

[The Catacomb]

Ha! Ha! This one isn't even close. Let's see. One might be on a lot of peoples' top 5 for favorite wrestlers and one is the favorite wrestler for about a third of people. One has had a non-descript career and has never been THE face of a company and one has pretty much saved a company against the toughest compitition. Don't get me wrong, I like Sting. He's probably in my top seven for favorite wrestler. But, you cannot put him in in the same league as Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Austin has: better gimmick, better feuds, better charisma, better on the mic, better pops, better merch sales, better legacy.

Sting is a great wrestler and better than 80% of all wrestlers ever. Stone Cold is a historic wrestler and one of the top 3 greats ever.

 

[killcenanow]

not an easy one for me. Sting to me is a poor man's Bret Hart and as broke as I am I'd be 100 times more likely to want to pay for a ticket to see( saying it were a card where in all things on the card would be the same except one of these to people making an appearance) Austin.

I justify this decision with recalling both of them at there best. Austin before Owen's tombstone was a really good (not great) technical wrestler. It seems that that's the only thing that really changed about Austin after the broken neck. He kept me interested as a heel and as a tweener/face. His Wrestlemania v.s. Bret was one for the ages. Stings had some great matches in his day but It can't top Austins best match.

 

[TheIconHBK]

Austin for me like was said in earlier post could wrestle anywhere in the world the crowd reaction is of the chart.

i tend to remember SCSA's feuds more than stings SC vs bret hart, vince mcmahon his semi feud with HBK at kotr and wrestlemania

sting is good also he carried wcw for years i'vo only recentley started watching TNA so cant really talk of sting's time in TNA

 

[Razor]

This is easy. When Stone Cold Steve Austin left the WWE, ratings plummeted from 7s and 8s to 4s. The ratings cut in half. Can Sting ever argue that? If Sting were such a huge draw, TNA wouldn't be tying ECW at the moment.

Stone Cold is simply a legend. Sting is probably the most legendary wrestler to never work for Vince, sure. But in that statement is a caveat. There must be better wrestlers who have worked for Vince, or that qualifier wouldn't be needed. And Steve Austin is one of those wrestlers.

 

[nesticles]

Ok, Poll #1 was a huge success, Poll 2 is going to be between Sting and Steve Austin

Lets take a look at their stats:

Sting:
6X WCW Champion
2X WCW International Champion
3X WCW Tag Team Champion
2X WCW US Champion
1X WCW TV Champion
2X NWA World Champion
3X TNA World Champion
1X TNA Tag Team Champion

SCSA:
1X WCW US Champion
1X WCW TV Champion
1X NWA Tag Team Champion
6X WWE Champion
2X Intercontinental Champion
4X World Tag Team Champion

This is a tough one, Both of these men are legends and have had many title reigns. But, the amount of titles you have had doesnt make you better. Both were great in the ring and can make anyone look good. Austin would have been better if he hadnt hurt his neck. Sting however is still wrestling today, and is one of the best in his company.

It's a toughie, but Sting takes the win here IMO.

As far as times they've held the titles, how they worked & overall impact on wrestling, you really think sting is anywhere close to SCSA? Yes I know all about Sting & have watched many of his matches, but SCSA was a next generation Hogan. He was the man, get that Flair bullshit out of here. Sting is no doubt a legend, but SCSA, like Hogan, was a legend among legends. btw personally i think hogan & flair are crap but meh

 

[dta2324]

to | EDGE |...

just a tidbit on pops......ive been to wrestling shows all over the country...im from the northeast....and by far the loudest buildings for wrestling shows are chicago, boston/worcester/ and msg in no particular order.....bar none....

2 pops come to mind for me that far and away supercede anything else I have ever seen including wrestlemanias, summer slams, rumbles and a million raws/smackdowns/ and nitros.....and both took place in the worcester Centrum...

One was when foley won his first WWF title, when austin hit the ring....absolutely amazing thing that to this day, and I have been going to wrestling shows for 25 yrs.....has only been equalled by the Sept 1997 nitro from worcester when sting hit the ring....problem with the nitro show is that the show went off air too early, but I can tell you from first hand experience that they were on a par with each other....If you go back and watch some of the old WCW ppvs from the late 80's -early 90's you will also see some absolutely amazing sting pops.

sting lasted alot longer....that may be thing to separate him from austin.

 

[scabooshmoo1]

here we go again another thread about who is the best at all time. obviously stone cold is better. he revolutionsised the business he practiclly won the monday night wars for the WWE in the attitude era as long with the rock and undertaker and vince. he put WWE to where it is atm. more poeple could relate with stone cold then with sting. enough said

 

[RecoveringJerichoholic]

Sting was a great performer. He had a great look, body, charisma, ring skills and a huge following. But...no one has ever said he is the greatest of all time. Stone Cold on the other hand has been called that by a countless number of people. I'm not a huge fan of the crow gimick. At first it was alright, but it got old. The Austin vs McMahon might have been the greatest story line of all time. Plus the stunner is a flawless finisher. All that being said I have to quote O'l JR "It's STONECOLD, STONECOLD, STONECOLD".

 

[Chill]

It really on depends on what is meant by 'better'. If it means who was the better in ring performer I would say Sting, if it means who collected the most championships then I would say Sting (admittedly yes in wrestling that doesn't automatically make you better) and if it means who had the most longevity then it would be Sting again in my opinion.

Stone Cold Steve Austin might be considered 'better' in terms of the ratings he could pull and the amount of merchandise he could sell but then again, Austin did that better than almost every performer before or since him and don't also forget that Austin had the WWE hype machine behind him. However, when Sting was in his prime I'm sure he was able to pull higher ratings than a young Ringmaster or Stunning Steve Austin and so you could say there was a time when Sting was the bigger draw. Though if you're comparing the two during the Monday Night Wars then Austin without question was bringing in higher ratings than Sting.

It's a tough one because on one hand you have Austin who helped revolutionize the business while on the other you have one of the greatest all round performers in Sting. Personally I always did prefer watching Sting over Austin, although that's not to say I didn't enjoy Austin's work, who didn't? but for me there was something about Sting that made me want to watch him, for example, if I missed one of his matches or segments I would have been annoyed wereas if I missed an Austin match I wasn't just as caring.

Overall, I pick Sting as I genuinely think he was the better all round performer and he really was the "franchise" of WCW (this man could have rivalled Austin in WWE had he signed with them in my opinion) but there are certainly areas where Austin beats Sting such as the ability to single handedly sell out an arena (during the Attitude Era obviously) and for his revolutionary impact on the business....but still, Sting takes this one for me. Sting has remained relevant from the beginning of his career to now in TNA and that is the litmus test of any great star, it's just unfortunate for Austin that his in ring career was cut short...

 

[Slyfox696]

Well, this is easy. Austin hands down. Not too much Sting has done is impressive in my eyes. I mean yeah, he is a legend in his own right of course, but Austin has done a lot more in his career.

He has? What has Austin done more of?

World titles? Nope. Midcard titles? Nope. Main-evented longer? Nope. Been the face of a company longer? Nope.

So, what exactly has he done a lot more of?

Sting could go anywhere in the world and get a decent pop, Austin could go anywhere and people would mark the F out.

Please. I've BEEN to places where Sting still works and people there go fucking nuts. Don't give me that "decent pop" bullshit.

Austin built 3 great characters during his career as well

He did? What were they? I know Stone Cold but...well fuck, the answer is zero other great characters.

but he made every gimmick he had work to the point of where WCW had to control him and Brian Pillman.

Well, that's a great point. A midcard gimmick is so much better than a guy who has been main-eventing shows for nearly 20 years.

Sting has had a successful gimmick (with variations but still the same) so in this case it's gotta go to Austin.

Sting has had two very successful gimmicks, first as bleach blond surfer Sting, and then Crow Sting. They were very different gimmicks, and if you say otherwise, then you know nothing about wrestling.

One might be on a lot of peoples' top 5 for favorite wrestlers and one is the favorite wrestler for about a third of people.

So, wait, let me see if I understand you.

Let's take 100 people. Of those 100 people, 75 of them say Steve Austin is #5 on their top list of favorite wrestlers, behind Doink the Clown, Crush, and Bastion Booger. 33 of of those same people say that Sting is in front of all the other 5.

So...how does that make Austin better? Not very good logic.

One has had a non-descript career

Yes, 12 World titles is common amongst professional wrestlers. Completely ho-hum.

and has never been THE face of a company

Good point, if you choose to ignore the years 1989-1994, 1997-2000, and 2006-2009.

and one has pretty much saved a company against the toughest compitition.

By "toughest competition", you're referring to the wrestling company that had it's profits stolen from it by its parent company, the same parent company who completely handcuffed any kind of storylines that would be interesting and made it their goal to kick wrestling off their television stations.

That's the "toughest competition" you're referring to, right?

Don't get me wrong, I like Sting. He's probably in my top seven for favorite wrestler. But, you cannot put him in in the same league as Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Oh really? Why is that? Because he didn't have a 3 year run, with a gimmick that appealed to fans who had no interest in professional wrestling?

Good point. I guess 20 years of main-eventing, being the biggest draw in the world in 1997, and winning 12 World titles just can't compare to a gimmick that was successful because the writers of the character kept finding shocking things for the character to do.

Seriously, you're logic is OUTSTANDING.

Austin has: better gimmick

Given to him by the WWF

better feuds

Not really. Sting vs. Flair, Sting vs. Luger, Sting vs. Hogan...all great feuds.

better charisma

Not even close. Outside of Hogan, I'm not sure anyone has had the charisma in the ring that Sting has.

better on the mic

Maybe a little, but not significant enough.

better pops

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

You take Austin's best years of getting pops and Sting's 1997 year of pops, and you'll find no difference between the two.

better merch sales

Only because he's supported by a better merch company. Really has nothing to do with him.

better legacy.

Depends on who you ask.

Steve Austin will be remembered for three things. 1) Redefining face/heel disposition. 2) Saving the WWF. 3) Swearing and drinking beer.

Of those three, only ONE of those are worth mentioning, in the context of professional wrestling. Redefining face/heel was a terrible idea, and we're seeing the cost of it even today. The WWE is working it's ass off to reverse the harmful effects of what the nWo and Steve Austin did. Swearing and drinking beer doesn't even come close to having relevance in pro wrestling.

So, the only thing of note that Austin has done is save the WWF, a remarkable accomplishment no doubt. But, compare that against Sting's legacy. He's a man who's been main-eventing for 20 years, won 12 World titles, multiple midcard titles, and was the focal point of arguably the biggest feud AND the biggest storyline in wrestling history. He's worked with many different opponents, has NEVER had a problem with winning and losing as directed (unlike Steve Austin), is willing to do right by the wrestling business, and is still working his ass off into his mid 40s. Oh, and he will forever be known as the "Greatest wrestler to never work for Vince McMahon".

When you look at it, Austin's legacy really isn't greater than Sting's at all.

This is easy. When Stone Cold Steve Austin left the WWE, ratings plummeted from 7s and 8s to 4s.

Actually, this happened while Austin was still there.

May 13, 2002 - Raw rating = 3.9
May 20, 2002 - Raw rating = 3.7
May 27, 2002 - Raw rating = 3.7

So, that's not a valid point.

If Sting were such a huge draw, TNA wouldn't be tying ECW at the moment.

Crap argument, for two reasons.

1) TNA doesn't come close to having the power, prestige or history behind it's promotion that the WWE does.

2) You can't prove that TNA would be in any better shape if Austin was main-eventing in TNA.

Sting is probably the most legendary wrestler to never work for Vince, sure. But in that statement is a caveat. There must be better wrestlers who have worked for Vince, or that qualifier wouldn't be needed. And Steve Austin is one of those wrestlers.

Again, faulty reasoning. Just because they say "to never work for Vince", doesn't mean that there are better workers. It just means that it is undisputed fact that Sting is the best to never work for Vince. However, "greatest of all-time" is easily a disputed fact, on many levels.

more poeple could relate with stone cold then with sting. enough said

So wait. Because the WWF gave Steve Austin a character and wrote for his character, that makes him a better pro wrestler?

That's some incredibly terrible logic.

The Austin vs McMahon might have been the greatest story line of all time.

Yup, right up there with Sting vs. Hogan, and WCW vs. the nWo (of which Sting was the focal point).

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Sting is greater than Stone Cold period. He was awesome when his gimmick was a surfer and his crow gimmick. He could outpop and outdraw Austin anytime he felt like it and his feuds with Hogan and Luger were greater if not on par with Austin's major feuds. Sting has been the face of his respective company way longer than Austin has and it is undebatable. Sting has more charisma, is better in the ring, and is far more of an icon.

The sad thing is the fans of today won't realize how truly great he is. People look at the Sting that's in TNA and don't think much of him. Austin is great but I just think Sting surpasses him. If you look at the totality of each careers including titles won, impact on the business, drawing power, etc.- Sting > Austin.

 

[TheDandTheV]

I'm going with Austin. Yes sting is a legend and I'm a big fan of his, but he never carried a company on his back and brought in huge ratings just because he was there.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I'm going with Austin. Yes sting is a legend and I'm a big fan of his, but he never carried a company on his back and brought in huge ratings just because he was there.

I guess you didn't read me and Sly's posts about Sting carrying WCW in parts of the 80's and 90's then. I also guess that Rock, HHH, Taker, or even McMahon didn't contribute to the high ratings or was that all Stone Cold. Sting did all of that and he accomplished more than Austin.

 

[jrocc4dub]

Sting is greater than Stone Cold period. He was awesome when his gimmick was a surfer and his crow gimmick. He could outpop and outdraw Austin anytime he felt like it and his feuds with Hogan and Luger were greater if not on par with Austin's major feuds. Sting has been the face of his respective company way longer than Austin has and it is undebatable. Sting has more charisma, is better in the ring, and is far more of an icon.

You really think sting/luger is on par with austin/mcmahon, or austin/rock? Wow! Maybe you just have a little bit of bias for sting if you really believe that. The hogan/sting feud could've been good, even great, but it really kinda sucked man. Sting/flair i would put up there. Anyway, steve austin is better than sting. Throw all the championships out the window(they don't matter, they didn't actually win them). Austin is so much more recognizable by the general public. Sting may be well known, but only in wrestling circles. Austin transcended wrestling and was so over in the mainstream media, sting never reached those heights. Austin put an entire company on his back and took it back to the top. He did have help from guys like the undertaker, vince mcmahon, hbk, bret hart, the rock etc. Sting never had the company riding on him. They might have talked like that but it wasn't true. Flair was always there, except for the run in wwf when he brought the belt with him. When nitro was killing raw he wasn't the focal point of the show. The nwo, hogan, and goldberg were what made people tune in. People turned raw on to see stone cold and what he would do or say next. And, before anyone starts with the rock was there too, austin helped make the rock. Austin was carrying that company before rock got over. If not for steve austin there might not be any wwe. With or without sting, there is no wcw.


Austin has way more charisma than sting. He had the crowd in his hand whenever he picked up a mic. Who else could get a crowd to scream "WHAT"(annoying as it may be)? Stings promos were bland and pretty basic actually. As far as in ring ability, austin was really good in his prime. His matches were brutal and more physical than stings. Thats probably why sting is still around and austin can't go anymore. Austin revolutionized the business. It forced sting to adapt his gimmick. He was gone for a while and when he came back as the crow it was because the cartoonish surfer sting wouldn't work anymore since austins character had brought more realness into the wrestling world. So, austin actually had something to do with sting having to change. Austin had more of an impact on the wrestling world.

It all comes down to who an individual enjoys more as a performer. I do like sting and have since i was just a little guy watching him and flair or sting vs. muta. I also remember when austin was stunning steve in wcw. He was great then too. Personally i think austin is more of an icon than sting. Its a shame austins career was cut short, if it wasn't who knows what else he may have accomplished. For my money, austin is greater than sting. Better in ring work, bigger impact on the industry, and charisma of the charts. That all adds up to the man. Stone Cold Steve Austin. Gimme a Hell Yeah.

 

[X]

Yup, right up there with Sting vs. Hogan, and WCW vs. the nWo (of which Sting was the focal point).

Are you joking me? Sting vs. Hogan? I'll give you it was one of the greatest BUILDUPS, but it was also probably the biggest disappointment in wrestling history. Their Starrcade match is generally seen as the point where WCW started to seriously decline. Shouldn't a great feud, ya know, have good matches? And not the turd that was the 97 Starrcade match that pissed off every wrestling fan on the planet while simultaneously making Sting look like a total pussy who couldn't win without Bret Hart?

Sorry but I'll take a Rock-Austin feud with several great match-ups over a Sting-Hogan feud with one of the worst disappointments in wrestling history and not a single quality match to their credit any day of the week.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

You really think sting/luger is on par with austin/mcmahon, or austin/rock? Wow! Maybe you just have a little bit of bias for sting if you really believe that. The hogan/sting feud could've been good, even great, but it really kinda sucked man. Sting/flair i would put up there. Anyway, steve austin is better than sting. Throw all the championships out the window(they don't matter, they didn't actually win them). Austin is so much more recognizable by the general public. Sting may be well known, but only in wrestling circles. Austin transcended wrestling and was so over in the mainstream media, sting never reached those heights. Austin put an entire company on his back and took it back to the top. He did have help from guys like the undertaker, vince mcmahon, hbk, bret hart, the rock etc. Sting never had the company riding on him. They might have talked like that but it wasn't true. Flair was always there, except for the run in wwf when he brought the belt with him. When nitro was killing raw he wasn't the focal point of the show. The nwo, hogan, and goldberg were what made people tune in. People turned raw on to see stone cold and what he would do or say next. And, before anyone starts with the rock was there too, austin helped make the rock. Austin was carrying that company before rock got over. If not for steve austin there might not be any wwe. With or without sting, there is no wcw.


Austin has way more charisma than sting. He had the crowd in his hand whenever he picked up a mic. Who else could get a crowd to scream "WHAT"(annoying as it may be)? Stings promos were bland and pretty basic actually. As far as in ring ability, austin was really good in his prime. His matches were brutal and more physical than stings. Thats probably why sting is still around and austin can't go anymore. Austin revolutionized the business. It forced sting to adapt his gimmick. He was gone for a while and when he came back as the crow it was because the cartoonish surfer sting wouldn't work anymore since austins character had brought more realness into the wrestling world. So, austin actually had something to do with sting having to change. Austin had more of an impact on the wrestling world.

It all comes down to who an individual enjoys more as a performer. I do like sting and have since i was just a little guy watching him and flair or sting vs. muta. I also remember when austin was stunning steve in wcw. He was great then too. Personally i think austin is more of an icon than sting. Its a shame austins career was cut short, if it wasn't who knows what else he may have accomplished. For my money, austin is greater than sting. Better in ring work, bigger impact on the industry, and charisma of the charts. That all adds up to the man. Stone Cold Steve Austin. Gimme a Hell Yeah.

If you say that Austin helped make the Rock, then I can make a better argument that McMahon helped make Austin. If it wasn't for McMahon, there would be no WWE and Austin wouldn't have been as big as he was. Austin need an authority figure to rebel against and Vince was that figure. McMahon already solidified his heel status with the Hart fiasco and Austin played off that.

I don't take into consideration about being over with the mainstream as that's not big of a factor. If so, The Rock would be bigger than Austin in that aspect. And don't criticize Sting's promos without criticizing Stone Cold's. Austin said the same thing over and over so don't hate on Sting's mic skills when Austin wasn't that much better. Sting's surfer gimmick worked just as well as his crow gimmick and give me facts about how Stone Cold changed Sting's gimmick because I don't believe he did.

Sting/Luger and Sting/Hogan were some of the greatest feuds of that time because of the atmosphere around it and the actual matches. Austin/McMahon is a little overrated to me because it involved like a 100 different wrestlers and the one time they did fight, it was a crappy cage match.

 

[The Catacomb]

-Quote- So, wait, let me see if I understand you.

Let's take 100 people. Of those 100 people, 75 of them say Steve Austin is #5 on their top list of favorite wrestlers, behind Doink the Clown, Crush, and Bastion Booger. 33 of of those same people say that Sting is in front of all the other 5.

So...how does that make Austin better? Not very good logic. -Quote-

Other way around, Sting mark. Sting is in the top 5 and Austin leads most people's list. If you think i'm wrong, take a look at the poll results.
I know you love Sting and he is pretty good, but, most, if not all, arguments you made for Sting are completley biased and not really in the realm of reality. Good try though. If you think Stone Cold is one of the best ever, gimme a HEll Yeah!!

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Ha! Ha! This one isn't even close. Let's see. One might be on a lot of peoples' top 5 for favorite wrestlers and one is the favorite wrestler for about a third of people. One has had a non-descript career and has never been THE face of a company and one has pretty much saved a company against the toughest compitition. Don't get me wrong, I like Sting. He's probably in my top seven for favorite wrestler. But, you cannot put him in in the same league as Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Austin has: better gimmick, better feuds, better charisma, better on the mic, better pops, better merch sales, better legacy.

Sting is a great wrestler and better than 80% of all wrestlers ever. Stone Cold is a historic wrestler and one of the top 3 greats ever.

How can we not consider Sting in the same league as Austin? He has been the top guy of his company just as Austin has and longer. What part of Sting's career is non-descript and please give reasons so I can take you seriously? The only thing I give Austin is better than Sting at concerning the reasons you listed as merch sales and that's about it.

 

[JenovasWitness]

Sting has been a great champion. He is a good wrestler. He has had classic matches and feuds. He is going to be in a wrestling Hall of Fame when his career is done and will bespoken of positively by wrestling experts and fans alike.

That is not going to stop me from recognizing that Austin gets the vote here. Austin is by far one of the most important characters and champions in professional wrestling at the pivotal moment when WWE went mainstream with the Attitude era. He was one of the main reasons why it was actually cool to watch wrestling. No man commanded more love from the audience save Hogan during the Hulkamania era.

His match quality was more then solid, his promo skills were amazing and he was an incredible workhorse in the ring and out of it. Austin, easily.

 

[jrocc4dub]

If you say that Austin helped make the Rock, then I can make a better argument that McMahon helped make Austin. If it wasn't for McMahon, there would be no WWE and Austin wouldn't have been as big as he was. Austin need an authority figure to rebel against and Vince was that figure. McMahon already solidified his heel status with the Hart fiasco and Austin played off that.

Ok. No argument that vince helped make austin. Sting was made by ric flair. Everybody is made by someone else at some point. The thing is, Austin blew up and ran with it while sting became a star, just not as big of a star.
I don't take into consideration about being over with the mainstream as that's not big of a factor. If so, The Rock would be bigger than Austin in that aspect. And don't criticize Sting's promos without criticizing Stone Cold's. Austin said the same thing over and over so don't hate on Sting's mic skills when Austin wasn't that much better. Sting's surfer gimmick worked just as well as his crow gimmick and give me facts about how Stone Cold changed Sting's gimmick because I don't believe he did.

What i was trying to say is that once the stone cold character gained momentum, the cartoonish aspects of some wrestlers had to be changed. People were buying into the more realistic guys, the shades of gray in the characters and not just black and white, good and bad. The NWO had a lot to do with this change too. So, i admit the business in general was changing and it wasn't just stone cold's popularity that made this happen. Stings surfer gimmick was fine in its time, but as we got more into the attitude era in wwf and nwo taking over in wcw, the bright facepaint and neon colors were more of an 80's early 90's kinda feel. Sting had to be updated.As far as mic skills, i'm not saying sting is horrible. I think he's pretty good as he's been doing this for a long time. I just feel like austin had the crowd doing whatever he wanted them to. Its all subjective as i said before. It comes down to who you prefer as a performer. I like austin more.


Sting/Luger and Sting/Hogan were some of the greatest feuds of that time because of the atmosphere around it and the actual matches. Austin/McMahon is a little overrated to me because it involved like a 100 different wrestlers and the one time they did fight, it was a crappy cage match.

Sting/Luger is nowhere near Austin/mcmahon. Doesn't compare. It's crazy to even mention them in the same breath. Sting/hogan was a major letdown. The build was awesome. When it finally happened it sucked. Terrible. Sting was and is very good. I enjoy sting and am not trying to bash the guy. Austin was way better. His feud with vince was what changed the landscape of monday nights. Raw was the show to watch while that feud was going on. Rock/Austin happened because of that feud. The austin/mcmahon feud laid the foundation for the wwe for the next ten years. Greatest feud ever. For everything sting does and has done for wrestling, he never came close to making the impact stone cold steve austin made.