Whap Me Jungles
singularly terrible
Come on guys. ROH vs TNA arguments? Is that what it's coming to?
The "who are TNA trying to sign now?" thread
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The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
Hey, I contributed to the thread, I'm exempt of all wrongdoing here.
Whap Me Jungles
singularly terrible
There's nothing I hate more than people implying that quality isn't in any way subjective
Joe's Gonna Kill You
The Hunt is On
LOL reality
The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
Yes, reality. It's not that funny of a word. Or is it? Maybe to the simple minded. IDK.
Joe's Gonna Kill You
The Hunt is On
Well you are claiming one product being superior to another as fact when it's your opinion so maybe you are simple minded. IDK.
BaconBits
WZ Czar of Steaks
I could only see them signing Shad Gaspard if the E finally cuts JTG loose and they reform Cryme Tyme.
Whap Me Jungles
singularly terrible
Not really signings but Storm, Gunner, Robbie E and Spud have been signed to new contracts recently.
Good to see TNA are keeping hold of their top talent, and Spud.
Good to see TNA are keeping hold of their top talent, and Spud.
Whap Me Jungles
singularly terrible
Double post, but many more wrestling sites are saying that TNA are looking at Low Ki now. Given what happened at the One Night Only taping, it would make sense.
Cereal Killer
Boy Better Know
If they're not the bigger company, it's because they're not as popular, if they're not as popular, it's because they're not as good.
The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
In 2014, ROH has had the returns of Chris Hero and AJ Styles, signed on to a working relationship with the second biggest wrestling company in the world, NJPW. Are doing two crossover events in America, with NJPW, both of which are sold out, one selling out two months in advance with no matches on the card. ROH has sold out more events then TNA has this year. ROH ran San Antonio one week before TNA ran Austin, ROH drew more to their San Antonio show then TNA drew for their Austin show. ROH drew 2,300 to Supercard of Honor over Mania weekend, in contrast TNA's top domestic attendance thus far this year is 2,600, which ROH will surpass next month at the Hammerstein, the bigger of the two stages in the Manhattan Center, the one TNA won't run because they don't think they'll sell out.
Jim Cornette says that despite his hatred for Sinclair Broadcasting because he was shit and they fired him, when he left the company it and OVW were probably the only wrestling promotions in existence making a profit. Paul Heyman said only yesterday that when he was speaking with TNA in 2010 they were making losses of over $7 million a week - I wonder what they're making now?
And of course, TNA continues losing talent, with the departure of Chris Sabin and imminent departure Bad Influence (I wouldn't be surprise if Bad Influence or the trio feature for ROH's Best In The World PPV), and there is always doubt of whether they'll even be in existence come the end of the year because of the fact Spike TV is going to the wire with the TV negotiations which if TNA doesn't get renewed, pretty much seals the envelope on that bankruptcy claim, while ROH's TV deal which now has a reach of 38.7% of America is totally safe as their owners are the ones who air them.
Size is only important if you can use it.
Edit: And to use Dirk's counter point to me when I criticized Lockdown, without watching ROH, you can't comment on the product, but even without you looking, if you think TNA's product nowadays is better then ROH's, you're on crack, hallucinating and need help.
Cereal Killer
Boy Better Know
I haven't watched ROH in ages but what's the main reason for the increase in fans, if what you're saying is true?
That's one guy. They signed Gunner and Storm to new long-term contracts, two stars which are far better than Sabin.
Manik, a mid-carder says he earns about $80,000 a year. How muchh are the ROH guys making?
People say this every year!
Just for the record, I'm not saying RoH is shit. I'm just saying TNA isn't bad enough for anything to be sexually offending against it.
Cereal Killer
Boy Better Know
The way I feel about ROH is that I don't like the style. I just don't like that indie style; I prefer slower paced matches which focus on the story more than the cool moves. That's not what makes a good professional wrestler. If it was, Hogan, Austin and Cena suck and Dean Malenko is one of the best of all time. I also prefer larger than life characters. You can't get all these 6'2 characters in ROH which engage you and give you reasons to care.
NorCal said somewhere before that they shouldn't completely take away from the product what makes them a stand-out, but they should to a degree if they want to become huge on a national basis. They might be growing but not many know of them. I have a lot of friends that don't watch wrestling and they know of WWE (of course) and TNA, but have never heard of ROH. I must give them credit though as some top talent in TNA and WWE have come from ROH.
NorCal said somewhere before that they shouldn't completely take away from the product what makes them a stand-out, but they should to a degree if they want to become huge on a national basis. They might be growing but not many know of them. I have a lot of friends that don't watch wrestling and they know of WWE (of course) and TNA, but have never heard of ROH. I must give them credit though as some top talent in TNA and WWE have come from ROH.
The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
We'll go back and forth on this, me saying ROH is better, TNA sucks because it's drizzling shits, you defending TNA and saying because it's slightly bigger it has automatic quality, which makes no sense and if you believe it is true you need help. So what we should do is just let things play out, lets talk about it in December or November when GFW is actually running shows and who knows, maybe TNA is in fact out of business, because while people say it, "every year", this year there is a realistic and genuine threat it could happen, and while signing guys like Gunner and Storm to contracts is cool they don't get as much praise and acclaim as guys like Daniels and Kazarian, and aren't in the same league as wrestlers.
And as for why ROH's live attendances have increased, because I know what you're insinuating, Hero and Styles weren't on that San Antonio show. Court Bauer spoke to Meltzer and Alvarez yesterday on their podcast and said the reason they outdrew TNA in Texas is because TNA doesn't market itself well, while ROH had adverts on TV in the San Antonio area and because it has a lot of momentum, momentum gains attention, attention gains curiosity, curiosity gains viewership and viewership makes money.
And as for why ROH's live attendances have increased, because I know what you're insinuating, Hero and Styles weren't on that San Antonio show. Court Bauer spoke to Meltzer and Alvarez yesterday on their podcast and said the reason they outdrew TNA in Texas is because TNA doesn't market itself well, while ROH had adverts on TV in the San Antonio area and because it has a lot of momentum, momentum gains attention, attention gains curiosity, curiosity gains viewership and viewership makes money.
Whap Me Jungles
singularly terrible
Can you offer any criticism of the actual TNA product other than "IT SUCKS"?
The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
I have offered PLENTY. I did an entire LD of the Lockdown PPV, and even said, while the product was better then, then it was when I watched previously which was the Impact after BFG, it still wasn't good. Booking wasn't good, for what is branded as a "wrestling" product it had way too much talking for a PPV, the swerves, the match endings (Anderson/Shaw was dreadful), and the fact I saw so many TNA marks who love TNA just go, "seriously?" I still consider it dreadful. Fuck, I even said I'll give it another go in six months and see if its improved further.
There's no cop out with me, I used to love TNA, but here's the thing, when I was a kid I loved Power Rangers. Then they started making those shitty versions of the Power Rangers like Turbo and so on, so I stopped watching, because it was a waste of time, because it went to shit. TNA doesn't deserve my viewership after five years of constant disappointment meshed in with the odd three month streak of watchable entertaining wrestling (Roode's reign and Aries' win was the last time TNA was hot.)
Since this the only good news I've heard related to TNA was they were going to run the Hammerstein, but wait, they won't because they are afraid they won't sell it out so instead they're running the Grand Ballroom. Unless people consider them re-signing Spud to be progress?
Cereal Killer
Boy Better Know
If they were losing over $28 million a month, I'm sure they'd be bankrupt by now. I can admit the show hasn't been as good since Russo left but I still enjoy it. They were losing money last year to my understanding due to the decrease in PPVs, taping in more arenas and going live, but signing two top talents to new long-term contracts shows they're fine.
Now when have Daniels and Kaz ever been in such storylines James and Gunner have? They may be better by ROH standards but that's it.
Do you think ROH will ever become a big league?
Also, what was I insinuating?
Now when have Daniels and Kaz ever been in such storylines James and Gunner have? They may be better by ROH standards but that's it.
Do you think ROH will ever become a big league?
Also, what was I insinuating?
God I hate this philosphy. By this logic, American Idol is a superior television program to The Sopranos and The Wire. Milli Vanilli and One Direction are better musical acts than The Grateful Dead or Rush. The Hunger Games and Twilight are superior films to Citizen Kane and It's a Wonderful Life.
Do you see why this logic is so flawed? Like what you like people, the business aspect should have no bearing whatsoever on what you subjectively prefer (or believe to be "better").
Who gives a fuck if Hogan drew more than Bryan does right now. I'd prefer watching a Bryan match 7 days a week thanks. Something tells me most of our posters would too.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Has this officially devolved into another TNA - ROH pissfest?
If ROH would only sink about a mil into their production values, they would shit all over TNA. Like literally coat them in shit. Unfortunately, their sould crushingly poor production value makes them feel very indy, like they wont be here next week. Its a damn shame, because their presentation, and top to bottom talent is very, very good.
If ROH would only sink about a mil into their production values, they would shit all over TNA. Like literally coat them in shit. Unfortunately, their sould crushingly poor production value makes them feel very indy, like they wont be here next week. Its a damn shame, because their presentation, and top to bottom talent is very, very good.
MrHashasheen
Enjoying Wrestling
TDS, I value your insights into ROH and appreciate you carrying the banner for those of us who drop in and out of following, but never and I mean NEVER diss Power Rangers. Any season. Because it's all good, baby. It's all damn good.
The Dragon Saga
Whale in a Teardrop
Court Bauer said to Meltzer and Alvarez when all the PPV providers approached them - ROH never approached the PPV providers, although they had in the past - ROH's front office sat down with Sinclair executives and they came to a conclusion that the production needed a boost and that when Best In The World hits the plan is for it to look totally different to other ROH shows. Better lighting, acoustics, and they are planning to rebrand the TV show, so it won't be "Ring of Honor Wrestling" anymore, It'll be, "Ring of Honor [Insert Name Here]".
Them going to PPV forces them to do this, which is another reason why a lot of people will be watching it, to see if ROH will step up. Two years ago had someone said this I'd have said, "I'll believe it when I see it", because Cornette promised so many things and nothing happened. With Bauer though whenever he says something is going to happen, it happens. You can tell why the dude got so far in WWE.
And if ANYBODY condones Power Rangers Wild Force or whatever it was called, I have lost all respect for them as a Mighty Morphin Power Rangers fan!
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
If its not "wrestling" then what the heck would it be called? 
And that sounds good, intruiging. If TCW can do it, then ROH damn sure can, with their ability to draw and strong fanbase.
And that sounds good, intruiging. If TCW can do it, then ROH damn sure can, with their ability to draw and strong fanbase.
What? Has it been 90 days yet?