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How is this blind Kobe hate, I rather thoroughly listed all my grievances.
The irony that you want to call me blind whilst at the same time seeing as I am not KB shouldn't be lost on you. However seeing as you're a professional window licker it's understandable why reading isn't your strong suit.
I'm sorry that I made a mistake with your name. I guess I'm just dumb. On the other hand, if you were really as intelligent about the NBA as you claim to be then you'd know that all of the Lakers problems come from Jim Buss.
I'll give you that Kobe ran Howard away, however, if I were playing with a big who had all the talent and potential in the world to be one of the greatest of all time and yet he didn't take the game seriously enough or play with the urgency needed to live up to said talent and potential, I'd probably run him off too. As for what you said about Kobe DEMANDING a max contract
, just no. Jim Buss offered Kobe that contract. Kobe didn't turn it down because Jim Buss had no plans to make the team any better. When they fired Mike Brown, Buss had a chance to get Phil Jackson back, yet he went with Mike D'antoni. Hell, even this season the Lakers could've gotten Jahlil Okafor in the draft and yet, I can't even remember who they got besides him because they suck that bad. There are countless other fuck ups that belong to Buss. So yea, if I was Kobe, I'd go out there and keep jacking up those shots because he's the only bright spot in an otherwise fucked up organization. Do you think the Lakers will be better in the future without Kobe then they have been in the last 15 years? You're not just ignorant if you do, you're also a dumbass.You should have stopped right there.
Did you watch that 2012 Laker season? Howard was consistently far healthier and played much harder than Kobe. It's absurd to imply Howard didn't give it his all when Kobe was either on the bench nursing a bruise or giving up fastbreaks every other possession. If there was anyone who could hold any torch to keeping the Lakers playoff hopes alive during that season, it definitely was not Kobe.
As for what you said about Kobe DEMANDING a max contract
Buss offered that contract because we all know Kobe wouldn't get out of bed for anything less than $25 million a year. If Kobe actually gave a shit about winning say like LeBron James he wouldn't have bargained for the max contract he got. But Kobe took the big money, because Kobe doesn't give a rats ass about the fans, or the team. Not anymore anyway.
Again, Buss and Kobe were the only two people in the world who thought Kobe was worth $25 million a year. In Buss' mind it's very clear he thought a core of Kobe Bryant, Julius Randle, and D'Angelo Russell. But again, this wouldn't be an issue if Kobe swallowed his pride, took less and did everything he could to attract a superstar. But that's not Kobe Bryant basketball. Kobe Bryant basketball is playing 44 minutes again throwing up airballs!
I can't speak for what happened between Buss and the Phil Jackson deal but coaching LA isn't exactly an alluring job anymore. Namely due to the fact the Kobe Bryant show will eat up your playbook and win/loss record. Only sycophants like Byron Scott are willing enough to sit back and watch Kobe Bryant build a house with all the bricks he's throwing out in the middle of the Staples center because dullards like you will pay to see that over the Lakers actually being a competitive basketball team.
Also, the Lakers drafted D'angelo Russell. Who I would bet my bottom dollar on being one of the best young point guards once Byron Scott realizes that there's more to Basketball than watching Bryant shoot three pointers like he's Ray Charles.
The number one fuck up being allowing the Lakers franchise to sink because Kobe Bryant wants the spotlight, a fat paycheck, and a victory lap with everyone patting him on the back. Literally Lakers management went out with it and said "Yeah we don't care about actually earning your money if you troglodytes we call Lakers fans will give us money to lose we'll just do that." Neither Kobe, or the Lakers management have any sense of respect for it's fans.
What a completely asinine thing to say. The Lakers have a ton of young talent they could be playing instead of Kobe. You have D'Angelo Russel who can put on a scoring display hot off the bench, Jordan Clarkson, and Julius Randle. Give them a coach who can actually coach a team instead of letting Kobe Bryant do whatever he wants and the Lakers wouldn't be the second worst team in basketball this year.
But then again I can't hold you accountable for your complete ignorance on the team you root for. After all Kobe and Lakers management are doing everything in their power to shove all the attention away from them because Kobe just won't be happy unless everyone in the NBA gives Bryant the rub and tug he so desperately searched for in that hotel in Colorado.
Would the Lakers be better without Kobe then a young Kobe 15 years ago? Most likely not. But would the Lakers be a better team now if they nipped the problem at the bud instead of pouring fertilizer on it 4 years ago? Most certainly.
A11oftheLights
Getting Noticed By Management
The Lakers want Ben Simmons and are tanking to get him
You are quite definitely the Kobe hater. If you were a fan of the Lakers you would be a more updated with what actually happens. Did you watch the season when Howard played? Clearly not by saying Howard played harder than Kobe. If the dude didn't get a touch every second possession he was doing nothing the rest of the game. I remember seeing a lot of box scores seeing he would have 10 points and 6 boards or 7 points and 8 boards taking only 5 or 6 shots. It was a joke. Earl Clark, Pau Gasol, Ron Artest and Jodie Meeks would all have more shot attempts than Dwight in some games. That is not Kobes fault at all. At the end of the year I think most Lakers fans were happy to see Dwight go. He wasn't the same player even if he did show some glimpses of it. Kobe is the reason why we made the playoffs that year.
You act like not playing D Russ and Randle 35 minutes a night is a bad thing? Russel is freaking 19 years old and you expect him to be better than Kobe Bryant because his body can athletically do more? IQ wise he is a chump compared to Kobe. Defensive wise he is somehow worse than Kobes defense the first part of this year. Kobe can show him the tricks of being an NBA pro off the court. The two things I listed about Russel then could be said the same for Randle. To not have Kobe around right now would set us back even further. One of the greatest to play the game to teach the young kids, how good. And like I said before I don't agree with Kobe playing more than 32 minutes or chucking up more than 18 shots or is he worth 25 million at this moment but the Lakers need him.
Anyways to prove you are a Kobe hater. You said Lebron wants to win more than Kobe. I can't even read that without wanting to rip my eyes out.
Never claimed otherwise. Then again it's because I'm not a terrible human being.
Who says you need to be a fan to be able to call a tire fire a fire? It is painfully clear to everyone with two brain cells to rub together can see Kobe for all of his ups and all of his downfalls. Anyone who would argue that Kobe wasn't scaring away new talent and stealing time away from younger talent to grow are fooling themselves.
Howard's more known for his defensive dominance more than his offense. But despite that he finished fifth in scoring for centers. The only real thing you can only ever take from Howard's game on the offensive side is his horrid free throw shooting.
Again, taking shots isn't really Howard's game. But looking statistically Howard was only taking .3 shots less then the rest of the big men on the Lakers. Overall though Howard was easily the best big man on that Lakers team on both sides of the court.
What did Howard need to earn the love of Laker fans? The one year he was in the Lakers he was tied for fifth in scoring for Centers, he lead the league in rebounds, went fifth in the league in blocks, and was second in FG% shooting. For all intents and purposes, Howard had an all star year as a Laker. The Laker fans who wanted Howard out of their team were fucking stupid.
Yes, not giving rookie players sufficient playing time hurts their development. No one comes off the bench playing like Michael Jordan. It takes time get adjusted to the NBA speed and the very fact a Laker fan here couldn't name D'Angelo Russel is a travesty to the Laker's fanbase and the future of the team.
In a physical sport I fully expect the player who can actually perform athletically to be better at a sport that requires athleticism. Throughout this season it's abundantly clear that Kobe is a poorer shooter, poorer defensive player, and just an overall poorer player than the majority of guards in the NBA.
IQ wise is such an utterly abstract thing to judge. Kobe certainly has more experience than Russell but can we really consider Kobe as a "smart" two guard considering Kobe is infamous for being a constant ball hog and poor decision making when it comes to shot taking.
Or they could be so utterly discouraged from having the team that drafted them bench them in favor of Kobe Bryant's farewell tour they move onto teams that would actually give them playing time or at the very least promise to be competitive. Unlike the Lakers management which directly told the fans they don't care about winning this year.
The only thing the Lakers bench is learning from Kobe Bryant this year is how great Kobe was. Tanking this year does nothing for the team other than getting themselves another lottery pick.
I would disagree, and it shouldn't take a basketball guru or a rocket science to see the Lakers would have a much better chance at winning games without Kobe sucking up cap space and shooting 30% from the floor. The Lakers would be in a much better place if they parted ways two years ago.
Not that difficult to prove considering I've made it known I hate Kobe Bryant.
LeBron James took a STEEP pay cut to go to Miami and become a NBA final main stay for the past six years. At least during his stint in Miami he was willing to take much less than he a player like LeBron could earn anywhere else to win. Unlike Kobe Bryant who played under the value of his contract.
For the record, I'm not a Lakers fan. My favorite team is the Clippers, the real LA team and my favorite player is Chris Paul right now. My all time favorite player is Iverson. I just can't stand dumbasses like you to come in and disrespect one of the greatest players to ever play. Especially when you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Your just hating on Kobe to hate on him. It's OK, we've all done it. Just call it what it is. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.
This has nothing to do with being a Kobe hater. Lakers management has taken every step into the situation they are in right now. Every step they have taken though is to placate Kobe.
With all the coaches that are out there they took Byron Scott, a man who believes this game should be played back like it was in the 90s when every statistic has shown that it is not how basketball should be played today. No impact free agents are going to the Lakers because they are going to have to play outdated basketball and around Kobe. After the Sonics moved to Oklahoma City the Thunder went 23-59, but they had a young roster getting reps and finding their game. The following season they went 50-32. Season after that they were in the Western Conference finals.
That's what our criticism of Kobe and Lakers management is. For having such a high bball IQ, he cannot see that if he would have taken less money, asked for a coach who can develop a system built for the way basketball is played today, brought in some key or impact free agents, and developed the young roster the Lakers would be in a different situation then they are today. Kobe having all the stroke he has can't ask for any of those things? Please. He knows damn well he can ask for that, but then the Lakers wouldn't be about him. He even retired this year because he knew that there was major criticism towards him.
Kobe was a great player. There is no denying that. He is also a selfish player who would rather the Lakers go down in flames as long as he is the center of attention then help build for the future of the team he claims to love so much.
With all the coaches that are out there they took Byron Scott, a man who believes this game should be played back like it was in the 90s when every statistic has shown that it is not how basketball should be played today. No impact free agents are going to the Lakers because they are going to have to play outdated basketball and around Kobe. After the Sonics moved to Oklahoma City the Thunder went 23-59, but they had a young roster getting reps and finding their game. The following season they went 50-32. Season after that they were in the Western Conference finals.
That's what our criticism of Kobe and Lakers management is. For having such a high bball IQ, he cannot see that if he would have taken less money, asked for a coach who can develop a system built for the way basketball is played today, brought in some key or impact free agents, and developed the young roster the Lakers would be in a different situation then they are today. Kobe having all the stroke he has can't ask for any of those things? Please. He knows damn well he can ask for that, but then the Lakers wouldn't be about him. He even retired this year because he knew that there was major criticism towards him.
Kobe was a great player. There is no denying that. He is also a selfish player who would rather the Lakers go down in flames as long as he is the center of attention then help build for the future of the team he claims to love so much.
While you're not wrong with what you said, you're wrong in your perspective. You're perspective is one of Kobe not doing all that he can to be a winner and its wrong. I can't remember the interview, it was David Aldridge I think, that asked Kobe when he renewed his contract why he took the maximum amount instead of doing what Lebron, D-Wade, Bosh, and even Duncan has done. Kobe said that if the Lakers front office had have came to him with some sort of long term plan where they had plans to attract certain players or trade for certain players then he would've been happy to take less money, however, they didn't have such a plan. Plus, he was still pissed off that Jim Buss, because of personal reasons, didn't bring Phil Jackson back when he had the chance to.
Trust me, nobody wants to win more than Kobe and I think he's proven that, but why should he take less money when the Lakers management, Jim Buss specifically, didn't have a plan to attract better players? I wouldn't.
BlunderKunker,
There's a reason why Dwight Howard was unpopular in LA and seemingly pointing out to his stats that season is asinine. He was coming off back surgery and dealing with severe nerve damage in one of his legs. Compare Dwight in Orlanda and Dwight in LA there is a huge margin in agility.
His ability to rotate to the basket to protect the rim and get up the court were individual issues. I can't begin to point out what I saw and commentators like Jalen Rose echoed was his inability on the offensive board, second point points, ect. Now if you'd like I can go deeper with this and provide videos to prove my point.
As for Dwight as a teammate he seriously did not play well with Pau at all. He was absolutely fixated on being the inside man, despite Pau being far more skilled in the post.
He could have ran the pick and roll with Nash, slashed around and gotten easy buckets and let Pau do his thing with more space to work. But Dwight didn't want to do any of that, the inside was his and he refused to yield that no matter what.
This is around the same time you started hearing Nash speak out about his frustrations with Dwight. This undoubted helped push Pau away from LA, that they would set up such a clumsy and crowded offense where Dwight couldn't even deliver despite making it difficult for Pau to play in the post without a swarm of defenders.
Pau obviously couldn't be anywhere near as effective a slasher as Dwight would have been. There was real potential there but Dwight has never played well with another big it seems. His problems with Asik when Asik was apart of the Rockets seems to be along the same vein. Dwight gets his numbers but no one else can do anything. If Dwight doesn't see a good opportunity he'll pass it to someone else, but they'll have no space to do anything effectively. Dwight just plays far better with elite guards, that should be obvious now.
There's a reason why Dwight Howard was unpopular in LA and seemingly pointing out to his stats that season is asinine. He was coming off back surgery and dealing with severe nerve damage in one of his legs. Compare Dwight in Orlanda and Dwight in LA there is a huge margin in agility.
His ability to rotate to the basket to protect the rim and get up the court were individual issues. I can't begin to point out what I saw and commentators like Jalen Rose echoed was his inability on the offensive board, second point points, ect. Now if you'd like I can go deeper with this and provide videos to prove my point.
As for Dwight as a teammate he seriously did not play well with Pau at all. He was absolutely fixated on being the inside man, despite Pau being far more skilled in the post.
He could have ran the pick and roll with Nash, slashed around and gotten easy buckets and let Pau do his thing with more space to work. But Dwight didn't want to do any of that, the inside was his and he refused to yield that no matter what.
This is around the same time you started hearing Nash speak out about his frustrations with Dwight. This undoubted helped push Pau away from LA, that they would set up such a clumsy and crowded offense where Dwight couldn't even deliver despite making it difficult for Pau to play in the post without a swarm of defenders.
Pau obviously couldn't be anywhere near as effective a slasher as Dwight would have been. There was real potential there but Dwight has never played well with another big it seems. His problems with Asik when Asik was apart of the Rockets seems to be along the same vein. Dwight gets his numbers but no one else can do anything. If Dwight doesn't see a good opportunity he'll pass it to someone else, but they'll have no space to do anything effectively. Dwight just plays far better with elite guards, that should be obvious now.
While your assessment of how Dwight Howard played that season, or lack there of, is correct. You're wrong in your point about Howard playing well with elite guards. Look at him with Harden right now and how the Rockets are playing. They're barely over .500. They should be one of the elite teams of the league, yet they're not. Last year they were, however, that can be attributed to Harden playing his ass off and other role players stepping up, because Howard hasn't been any where near as good as he was on the Magic and I'm hate to say this but it is because of a lack of effort. Stephen A Smith from First Take blames the firing of Kevin McHale on Howard. Not that Howard demanded that he be fired but as a result of Howard's lack of effort and production the team was awful and it got McHale fired. You know what, Smith has a point. Clearly changing the coach hasn't helped and if Howard, with one of the quintessential big men in the history of basketball as his coach, can't learn new moves and techniques its because he didn't want to. Now look at Howard, he's pouting about Harden being the focal point and there's rumblings that he wants out of Houston. At this point in his career, he's barely in the top ten of best big men in the league with the way he's playing.
So, no I don't think Howard plays well with elite guards at all. All he had in Orlando was Jameer Nelson and he only had one above average season. The other good players on that team was Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis.
So, no I don't think Howard plays well with elite guards at all. All he had in Orlando was Jameer Nelson and he only had one above average season. The other good players on that team was Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis.
When the chemistry between Harden and Howard is on same page they're how they appeared last season. A Conference finals team. You're overlooking certain details as to why they're a .500 team and overlooking aside from that ugly loss to the Cavs they've played much better basketball this month.
What you're overlooking is Howard played in just one preseason game because of a stiff back, and the Rockets medical staff brought him along slowly. He didn’t play in back-to-back games early in the regular season, but as the season has progressed, the minutes restrictions has been lifted and his ability to participate in those back-to-back contests has returned.
When the Rockets move the ball, Howard gets in position to retrieve passes in the post and he’s running in transition for put-backs, this team is very dangerous. This resembles the Dwight Howard during his Orlando days. No Jameer Nelson wasn't elite but he was a much better guard to play with with all-star level numbers than a Steve Nash that was past his prime and dealing with his own health issues.
Houston right now is a 4/5 team at best behind and currently aren't as good as Spurs, GS, Clippers and Thunder. That Cavs blowout win told me everything about where that team stands. I thought Howard played decent in that game and most of their issues came from Harden being too aggressive in transition by turning the ball over and just having a bad shooting night in general.
What you're overlooking is Howard played in just one preseason game because of a stiff back, and the Rockets medical staff brought him along slowly. He didn’t play in back-to-back games early in the regular season, but as the season has progressed, the minutes restrictions has been lifted and his ability to participate in those back-to-back contests has returned.
When the Rockets move the ball, Howard gets in position to retrieve passes in the post and he’s running in transition for put-backs, this team is very dangerous. This resembles the Dwight Howard during his Orlando days. No Jameer Nelson wasn't elite but he was a much better guard to play with with all-star level numbers than a Steve Nash that was past his prime and dealing with his own health issues.
Houston right now is a 4/5 team at best behind and currently aren't as good as Spurs, GS, Clippers and Thunder. That Cavs blowout win told me everything about where that team stands. I thought Howard played decent in that game and most of their issues came from Harden being too aggressive in transition by turning the ball over and just having a bad shooting night in general.
Big talk from someone who didn't want to use the "quote" button.
Kobe isn't one of the greatest players of all time. He isn't even the greatest player in Laker history. That honor would belong to Abdul-Jabbar.
How so? You haven't been able to argue against Kobe's megalomania yet.
Either Kobe went back on his word with this Yahoo Sports interview, or you're lying.
"I'm very fortunate to be with an organization that understands how to take care of its players, and put a great team out on the floor. They've figured out how to do both."
"You can't sit up there and say, 'Well, I'm going to take substantially less because there's public pressure, because all of a sudden, if you don't take less, you don't give a crap about winning. That's total bull"
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--k...to-cheapen-his-superstar-value-053329468.html
Seems like Kobe's far more interested in stickin' it to ownership instead of winning. Which is fine, and something I could get on board with. But if were just a bit more honest and add the caveat that he's willing to let the Lakers sink while he does so.
That's not even remotely true at all. Lakers bent over backwards to try and get Aldridge last year, not to mention they tried to get Melo a few years ago and fell flat. There definitely was a plan to bring in at least one superstar. But they were unable to do so from either ineptitude from management, or from the fact that a basketball team lead by a modern day Kobe Bryant will scare away any player with a lick of common sense.
Lakers didn't stand a chance at Aldridge being there, he wanted to be close to his son. Lakers are tanking this season to go after Ben Simmons or attempt to lure in Kevin Durant. This season is all about ushering Kobe out of the Staples Center at the end of the season. Pursing Aldridge just looked good to the media. Does anyone seriously think a legitimate playoff team could've been built with Byron Scott as the HC?
I can't compare agility, but I can compare numbers. Looking to Howard's numbers with his last season as a member of the Magic, and his one year stint with the Lakers and his stats as a Magic are slightly better in most categories. Hardly any drop drastic enough to indicate that Howard was inhibited from playing to his best.
Provide all the video examples you like. I'll bring the cold hard numbers and present that Howard finished 8th in Offensive rebounds per game and second in scoring percentage. Which would indicate that he was getting good shots and only 7 other players could grab more offensive rebounds than he could a game.
I will give you that Howard's back to bucket post plays are not nearly as good as Gasols. But that's hardly the heart of the issue of the 2012-2013 Lakers.
But despite Howard's hesitation to play the PnR he did, and the team finished 7th in the league in successful pick and roll plays. Howard may have complained about it, and the pick and roll could have been done a lot better with Nash that year but the Lakers still ran it better than 23 other teams in the NBA.
Incorrect, only time Nash ever vented his frustrations with Howard was after the season ended and Howard arrived to Houston.
First of all, Pau left LA because it was every other month the Lakers talked about trading him for players or draft picks. It was really clear that if Pau played anywhere less than 110% he was the scapegoat to the Lakers problems. And again, the numbers continue to contradict your claims entirely. The Lakers offense finished sixth in scoring.
Total bullshit seeing as the Lakers team had a fantastic offensive year but was crippled with weak defense from everyone not named Howard. Gasol is average at best defensively with Howard being an elite defender.
As a Bulls fan I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt Asik is one of the worst offensive big men in the league. He has absolutely no clue what to do with the ball and the only thing he contributes defensively is being a lumbering 15 foot tall jumping pole that can sometimes block a shot.
Again I have to ask how you were able to draw this conclusion. The Houston Rockets became a rapidly better team with Howard on the court on both sides of the game. Comparing the 2012-13 Rockets to the 2013-14 Rockets statistically and it isn't even close. The '14 Rockets won more games, scored more points, played better defense, grabbed more rebounds, and shot better overall with Howard on the team. Even Chandler Parsons saw his PPG shoot up with Howard on the team.
Dwight played just fine in Orlando with fucking nobody in that barren shithole of a tourist trap.
BlunderKunker,
Did you watch any Laker games that season or just looking at statistics? Howard openly vented his frustrations of not getting more touches, this is why Gasol was in a 6th man role. Mixed with coaching not wanting to adjust their system.
There are several instances during that season in which Nash and Howard verbally got into it on the court. There was a situation in Miami in which Howard who was the tallest on the floor at the time did not bother to position himself to be open when Nash was trapped along the baseline a few steps away.
Since this offense was never going to consistently run through Dwight while Kobe was still stepping out onto the court the real issue me and so many others saw with Howard was his defensive regression. So I'll point it out.
Howard wasn't getting up the court like he has the year before with Orlando. Post surgery resulted in his inability to recover after jumping, or move as quickly as a whole as he once did and it begun to look as if his leg strength and conditioning was an issue. Again I mentioned his nerve damage. It clearly took a toll on his defense, and he wasn't nearly the explosive defender he typically was.
So going by Synergy it'll tell you that Dwight Howard is, by the numbers, is better defender in the 12-13 season than he was the season before when he won his third straight DPOY - which is laughable. Going over the stats of that Orlando Magic team in comparison to the current team he's on, he isn't rebounding on the defensive end at the same percentage, and is problematic. A key factor in the Magic's defense was simply rebounding the ball and not giving up second chance points. Which as I pointed out before was a big problem during his time in LA - more specifically, especially with him on the court.
So since you're looking at strictly stats then I'll back my argument with defensive rating. Which is the real stat that the eye sees during games. Rating tell us in these two seasons we're comparing. So when he won his DPOY trophy last, he had a defensive rating of 94 which led the NBA. In his lone season with the Lakers it was 100 and not even good enough to crack the top 15. He spent a better part of that season out of the top 20 of defensive rating.
It's clear that Dwight Howard wasn't playing up to the level the Lakers were hoping for or up to his usual standards no matter how much you want to throw around statistics. Anybody physically watching the game would've noticed all that I just pointed out.
Now I'm really questioning if you watch basketball. As for your comment on Asik - he was underutilized in Chicago and Houston getting him really brought out his potential. No he's not a 20-10 guy but he's a 10-12 guy which are fringe all-star numbers at his position. If he didn't play as if he was uninspired at times he could've been a 15-12 guy. Again you're a stat guy tell me who finished first in total rebounds that season? His strength on the offensive glass was greater than Dwight's the season before he came. Yeah he had some nagging injuries and for his size didn't seem to want to come off his feet but once Howard came he saw a cut in his minutes.
Did you watch any Laker games that season or just looking at statistics? Howard openly vented his frustrations of not getting more touches, this is why Gasol was in a 6th man role. Mixed with coaching not wanting to adjust their system.
There are several instances during that season in which Nash and Howard verbally got into it on the court. There was a situation in Miami in which Howard who was the tallest on the floor at the time did not bother to position himself to be open when Nash was trapped along the baseline a few steps away.
Since this offense was never going to consistently run through Dwight while Kobe was still stepping out onto the court the real issue me and so many others saw with Howard was his defensive regression. So I'll point it out.
Howard wasn't getting up the court like he has the year before with Orlando. Post surgery resulted in his inability to recover after jumping, or move as quickly as a whole as he once did and it begun to look as if his leg strength and conditioning was an issue. Again I mentioned his nerve damage. It clearly took a toll on his defense, and he wasn't nearly the explosive defender he typically was.
So going by Synergy it'll tell you that Dwight Howard is, by the numbers, is better defender in the 12-13 season than he was the season before when he won his third straight DPOY - which is laughable. Going over the stats of that Orlando Magic team in comparison to the current team he's on, he isn't rebounding on the defensive end at the same percentage, and is problematic. A key factor in the Magic's defense was simply rebounding the ball and not giving up second chance points. Which as I pointed out before was a big problem during his time in LA - more specifically, especially with him on the court.
So since you're looking at strictly stats then I'll back my argument with defensive rating. Which is the real stat that the eye sees during games. Rating tell us in these two seasons we're comparing. So when he won his DPOY trophy last, he had a defensive rating of 94 which led the NBA. In his lone season with the Lakers it was 100 and not even good enough to crack the top 15. He spent a better part of that season out of the top 20 of defensive rating.
It's clear that Dwight Howard wasn't playing up to the level the Lakers were hoping for or up to his usual standards no matter how much you want to throw around statistics. Anybody physically watching the game would've noticed all that I just pointed out.
Now I'm really questioning if you watch basketball. As for your comment on Asik - he was underutilized in Chicago and Houston getting him really brought out his potential. No he's not a 20-10 guy but he's a 10-12 guy which are fringe all-star numbers at his position. If he didn't play as if he was uninspired at times he could've been a 15-12 guy. Again you're a stat guy tell me who finished first in total rebounds that season? His strength on the offensive glass was greater than Dwight's the season before he came. Yeah he had some nagging injuries and for his size didn't seem to want to come off his feet but once Howard came he saw a cut in his minutes.
A11oftheLights
Getting Noticed By Management
Who gives a fuck, can you actually just go and have this conversation else where while the rest of us talk about things actually happening in the sporting world ffs?
I mean, where else do you want them to go? This is the sports bar?
Sometimes you sound like a 16 year old emo girl on my Facebook feed A11. Honestly, it's a little creepy. Besides, it's a sports bar, haven't you ever had a proper sports debate in a casual environment before? Chilllllllllllllll.
So how about them Bombers amirite? Goodwill down the drain and now you can't trust the people who run the game. It's a pity, especially since it's not like every possible aspect of the national sport that could be influenced by the media actually is controlled by the media at all. (This is the part where I'd write something akin to "only Australians who preferably grew up in the 90s get this" if it were Facebook)
So how about them Bombers amirite? Goodwill down the drain and now you can't trust the people who run the game. It's a pity, especially since it's not like every possible aspect of the national sport that could be influenced by the media actually is controlled by the media at all. (This is the part where I'd write something akin to "only Australians who preferably grew up in the 90s get this" if it were Facebook)
A11oftheLights
Getting Noticed By Management
Go make a thread about Kobe, so I dont have to hear them make the same arguments they made 40 pages ago
...you really don't get how the concept of a forum works, do you?
A11oftheLights
Getting Noticed By Management
yeah but i dont have the same debate over and over, using the same facts as last time
The bombers situation is hilarious. I was always expecting WADA to appeal and I was always expecting them to win. The original verdict that the AFL came up with was bullshit. They found Dank guilty, Essendon guilty but the players innocent and it was ridiculous, when it comes to taking performance enhancing drugs you either did or you didn't. I think the leadership group needs to take more accountability then what they are, they're the experienced players and they would know that the amount of jabs they were taking was ridiculous and should have asked questions. I feel for the young kids who had just been drafted, I went to school with one of them, they walked in and would have done whatever they were told not knowing what they were really getting into and would have assumed that this was just part of being in the AFL.
Essendon getting Crowley is smart but it is still hilarious
