The Sports Bar

[Stormtrooper]

You really think Falichise will be able to take over the team once Geno gets injured? Seriously? Have you not watched the last 4 years? Lowest QBR in the game. Shaking my head

Actually I have watched the past 4 years. And that has led me to believe that he is best suited for the job of "guy who is playing QB until Geno is ready."

And if god forbid Geno gets injured then yes, Sanchez is definitely able to play the QB position. I never said anything about playing it great.

Oh, and he won't be as terrible as he was last year. He will actually have players around him capable of getting open and catching the ball (2 things the receiving corps couldn't do last year). Again not saying he'll be great or even good, but he won't be worse then last year.

Sanchez is likely going to start the season for the Jets, Garrard was brought in as a veteran back-up nothing more, & Geno is going to need time to learn, Sanchez will likely start at least the first 4 games of the year.

Here's the thing: The Jets aren't going to be good this year no matter who is at QB for them. Let Sanchez get beaten up for most of the season while Geno holds the clipboard and learns the system.

Both these statemets are 100% correct. Garrard in all likelyhood won't even be here Week 1 (McElroy will be the 3rd QB). Sanchez will keep the seat warm for Geno. It's typical for when a QB is drafted for him to sit and learn.

 

[Moon Knight]

You really think Falichise will be able to take over the team once Geno gets injured? Seriously? Have you not watched the last 4 years? Lowest QBR in the game. Shaking my head

NFL uses passer rating. And when Matt Cassel was playing he was way worse the past 2 seasons. Chad Henne only had a .1 higher rating in 2010 than Sanchez.

 

[Big Sexy]

I'd put money on the fact that a healthy Garrard would lead the Jets to more victories then a healthy Sanchez.

 

[Harthan]

While we're talking about drafts, I like the Browns one. Mingo is very good, though he'll need to learn a lot in the NFL and will probably spend a lot of time adjusting in 2013. McFadden I quite like a lot, as well. I think he was good talent for a third round pick; he's not the CB I was hoping for in the end this offseason, especially because I don't have a lot of faith in our other option opposite Hayden in the form of Skrine, but nevertheless, good enough for now. I also like them trading down a lot and moving assets to get Bess and better picks next year in a stronger, deeper draft. Probably another poor year on the horizon barring a major step forward from Weeden, but they've got the possibility of a stellar 2014 draft that could finally be the big step forward for the franchise.

 

[Moon Knight]

I'd put money on the fact that a healthy Garrard would lead the Jets to more victories then a healthy Sanchez.

And neither will get close to a title. If you are looking for the answer, neither are it. The Jets need a solution, not a band aid.

 

[Big Sexy]

And neither will get close to a title. If you are looking for the answer, neither are it. The Jets need a solution, not a band aid.

Exactly, which is why they drafted Geno Smith. However, throwing Geno to the dogs right away would be stupid and I think he could learn more sitting behind Garrard then Sanchez.

 

[CH David]

I've felt like the lack of protection for Jay has been the main thing holding Chicago back, and with that fixed next year, I see them winning the NFC North.

The line was always one of the biggest problems, but so was Lovie's reluctance to give him help on the offensive side of the ball. He would never fix the line, never wanted to get him a good receiver. He was defensive minded to the max but offensively he had no clue. I love what Emery has done with this team. From bringing in Trestman to the FA moves he made, plus the draft picks this past weekend. I'm excited for the season. Do I think they'll take the North? Iffy. When Aaron Rodgers is still running the plays in Green Bay, you never assume anything.

 

[BaconBits]

Exactly, which is why they drafted Geno Smith. However, throwing Geno to the dogs right away would be stupid and I think he could learn more sitting behind Garrard then Sanchez.

The problem with Geno Smith being drafted is that, well, Geno Smith sucks all kinds of ass and is unlikely to ever be a serviceable NFL quarterback. Being with the Jets makes it even more unlikely.

 

[Stormtrooper]

I'd put money on the fact that a healthy Garrard would lead the Jets to more victories then a healthy Sanchez.

OK, good for that. That's entirely opinionated since Sanchez has had more career success. But the real issue is that a healthy Garrard isn't possible. Hasn't happened in years, and he's coming off back and knee surgeries in successive years. He last played in 2010.

And neither will get close to a title. If you are looking for the answer, neither are it. The Jets need a solution, not a band aid.

The solution is Geno. And you let him sit until he's ready. Sanchez can provide a perfectly adequate placeholder.

Exactly, which is why they drafted Geno Smith. However, throwing Geno to the dogs right away would be stupid and I think he could learn more sitting behind Garrard then Sanchez.

If you don't want to throw Geno to the dogs right away, why are you suggesting doing just that? Garrard will be on IR or cut with an injury settlement by Week 2, and Geno would be starting.

Again, regardless of your opinion on Sanchez, he is the best option at QB til Geno is ready. He's capable of starting every week, which no other veteran on the Jets is.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Loving that we're back to the Gangreen Jets Days. Here comes 1-15!

Edit: Actually, that's not fair. 4-12 seems attainable.

 

[Big Sexy]

OK, good for that. That's entirely opinionated since Sanchez has had more career success.

Lol. The only thing Sanchez has on Garrard is playoff wins and that is only because he was on better overall teams. Garrard has him beat in every stat imaginable for qb's, has more overall wins in his career, and a similar winning % while playing for worse teams.

I'm also not of the opinion that Sanchez is going to get cut. I think McElroy will end up being the odd man out.

 

[The Butcher]

The fact that the merits of David Garrard vs. those of Mark Sanchez have to be debated says a lot about the piss poor state of the New York Jets.

Quick b-ball question: should the Lakers try to re-sign Dwight Howard or should they let him hit the market?

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

The fact that the merits of David Garrard vs. those of Mark Sanchez have to be debated says a lot about the piss poor state of the New York Jets.

Quick b-ball question: should the Lakers try to re-sign Dwight Howard or should they let him hit the market?

That's a tough decision. I mean Dwights a hell of a player but they might not have the cap room to sign him. They're signing Kobe. That's a definite. I would release Howard though. Too much trouble.

 

[The Butcher]

That's a tough decision. I mean Dwights a hell of a player but they might not have the cap room to sign him. They're signing Kobe. That's a definite. I would release Howard though. Too much trouble.

I agree. The dude is a bit of a headcase and doesn't have the leadership skills or killer instinct to be Kobe's heir apparent. Just heard Mike & Mike talking about it a while ago and thought I put it out here. To his credit though, he was injured all year between the bad back and torn labrum, so the Lakers didn't quite get the player they were hoping to get. Dwight at 100% is a beast, to be sure.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

I agree. The dude is a bit of a headcase and doesn't have the leadership skills or killer instinct to be Kobe's heir apparent. Just heard Mike & Mike talking about it a while ago and thought I put it out here. To his credit though, he was injured all year between the bad back and torn labrum, so the Lakers didn't quite get the player they were hoping to get. Dwight at 100% is a beast, to be sure.

Wait don't agree with me. You don't want to do that .

 

[Stormtrooper]

2 things.

The Jets QB race is down to 4, as (shock of all shocks) David Garrard retired because he is incapable of staying healthy (his knee was not holding up). It's a shame for Garrard, who was a talented QB when he was on the field in his prime, but this is about as surprising as the Sun coming up in the morning. This also greatly increases Mark Sanchez's chances of staying on the team, as the Jets would be making a big gamble by going into a year with a combined 1 start out of their QBs.

also,

15 years ago today, David Wells pitched a Perfect Game against the Minnesota Twins.

Interesting factoid about this game, the only 2 players still active that played in this game are from this game are Derek Jeter and the Twins starting pitcher LaTroy Hawkins (currently with the Mets). Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettitte were active for the game but obviously did not play.

MLB put the entire game (Yankees broadcast from MSG Network) on Youtube. Here it is.

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[Megatron]

Sanchez was likely going to stay on the team no matter what. That extension they gave him would likely hurt them just as much to release him as it is to keep him (don't have the numbers and too lazy to look up, but iirc keeping him on the roster saves them money actually). No matter who it is, though, I think another top 10 pick is in store and likely a new head coach. Sure surprises can happen and their defense will still keep them in games, but atm I wouldn't want to go to bat with any of their options at QB. Plus with Bridgewater as a much more sure thing than any of the QBs in this recent class, tanking may not necessarily be the worst thing for them and get a clean slate.

And I'm surprised MLB is actually allowing a full game to be shown on youtube. They were stingy as hell at allowing even highlights/moments on there for the longest time (Maggs walk off HR in 2006 ALCS is always a struggle to look for).

In other news, Seahawks DE and last years first round pick Bruce Irvin has been suspended 4 games for PED's.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Sanchez was likely going to stay on the team no matter what. That extension they gave him would likely hurt them just as much to release him as it is to keep him (don't have the numbers and too lazy to look up, but iirc keeping him on the roster saves them money actually). No matter who it is, though, I think another top 10 pick is in store and likely a new head coach. Sure surprises can happen and their defense will still keep them in games, but atm I wouldn't want to go to bat with any of their options at QB. Plus with Bridgewater as a much more sure thing than any of the QBs in this recent class, tanking may not necessarily be the worst thing for them and get a clean slate.

1. There's been talks about cutting Sanchez all offseason. They have plenty of cap room to be able to afford it now so the money isn't an issue. They just can't do it for football reasons because he's the most competant non-Geno QB.
2. They have Geno Smith, who will be starting after the Jets Bye week (Week 10) at the latest. He's worth going with (once he's ready).
3. I looked at their schedule and found 6 wins. Buffalo twice (they suck still), Cleveland, Oakland, Tennesee, and one more I forget. I figure they will win most of those, and maybe pull off one win against a different team, and there's 6 wins.
4. I refuse to EVER believe in tanking a season for a draft pick. I find it pathetic. I'd rather not tank and miss out then intentionally lose games. It is for that reason why I am in favor of every league holding a draft lottery.
5. I actually don't want to lose Rex. He's a great D coach and he proved that he's able to be successful by going to back to back conference championships with Mark Sanchez at QB.

And I'm surprised MLB is actually allowing a full game to be shown on youtube. They were stingy as hell at allowing even highlights/moments on there for the longest time (Maggs walk off HR in 2006 ALCS is always a struggle to look for).

Actually, if you click on it and look to the right at similar videos, and they have dozens of classic games on there. All on the MLB Classics Youtube page (which is run by MLB). They used to totally suck, but maybe they're getting better now. They may just not be as good with clips as they are with full games.

 

[Megatron]

I'll take your word on the Sanchez cap situation since I don't follow them nearly close enough to know the full details but, nevertheless, this teams ceiling looks about 8-8. The NFL schedule makers didn't do them much help with their first 9 games before the bye (only Tampa, Buffalo, and Tennessee look like manageable games). Say they're 3-6 or 2-7 after the Bye their playoff chances would be slim to none.

Then if they were to fall to say 3-10 or 4-9, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't simply "tank" or, to put it in coachspeak "see what they have with everyone on the roster". As a fan I hate watching teams not put their best players out there as much as anyone, but from a GM's perspective sometimes starting from the bottom is the best way to rebuild instead of consistent 6-10 7-9 seasons if the prospect at #1 is worthy enough (which many believe is the case with Bridgewater and the manbeast Clowney).

And Ryan is in all the makings of being on the hot seat. New GM who may want his own "guy". Back to back missed playoff appearances (which would be 3 in a row should the season play out like most figure). Great defensive mind, but that offense has always been a mess under him (whether that's due to the scheme's he's run or the players he's gotten is up for debate).

 

[Stormtrooper]

I'll take your word on the Sanchez cap situation since I don't follow them nearly close enough to know the full details but, nevertheless, this teams ceiling looks about 8-8. The NFL schedule makers didn't do them much help with their first 9 games before the bye (only Tampa, Buffalo, and Tennessee look like manageable games). Say they're 3-6 or 2-7 after the Bye their playoff chances would be slim to none.

Oh I don't think any Jet fan has playoff hopes this year. I damn sure don't. As I said I see 6 wins from this team, and that's being a bit generous.

Then if they were to fall to say 3-10 or 4-9, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't simply "tank" or, to put it in coachspeak "see what they have with everyone on the roster". As a fan I hate watching teams not put their best players out there as much as anyone, but from a GM's perspective sometimes starting from the bottom is the best way to rebuild instead of consistent 6-10 7-9 seasons if the prospect at #1 is worthy enough (which many believe is the case with Bridgewater and the manbeast Clowney).

Playing the young guys isn't the same as tanking. Tanking is trying to lose games. Play who you will, but make sure you're tyring to win those games. Remember, a shit season will result in a new coach, which the coach shouldn't want, so it's not really a good idea to tank.

And in 1998 everyone thought Ryan Leaf was gonna be an awesome QB and he was considered worthy of the #2 pick. We know how that turned out. And while I expect Clowney to be a beast, every collegiate player is an unproven NFL commodity.

And Ryan is in all the makings of being on the hot seat. New GM who may want his own "guy". Back to back missed playoff appearances (which would be 3 in a row should the season play out like most figure). Great defensive mind, but that offense has always been a mess under him (whether that's due to the scheme's he's run or the players he's gotten is up for debate).

To be fair to Rex and the missed playoffs thing, he was 8-8 and 5-11. It's not like he had 2 shit years, just one bad one and one decent one. I think it's a mistake to just shoo Rex out of the job. He's had a great D all 4 years, and is expected to have another excellent one this year.

 

[Megatron]

While there always are chances of busts happening (Leaf, Russel, etc.) teams that hit the jackpot on those QBs are usually set for a decade plus (Indy with Manning, Giants with Eli, Falcons are set for a while with Ryan, same for Ravens and Flacco, etc. etc.). Unless Geno comes out and blows everyones beliefs of him out of the water (which I doubt since I believe many of his gaudy stats were merely a product of the system Holgorsen had in place) I wouldn't knock the Jets going for a top QB. It certainly wouldn't be unprecedented territory to ditch a 2nd rounder for a top 5 pick, or even a first rounder. Carolina did it with Cam over Clausen. Cleveland did it with Weeden over McCoy (although they weren't in back to back years).

And fair or not, not many coaches are gonna stay around if they miss the playoffs 3 straight years without a hell of a resume. While he has two CC appearances to his name, there's been better coaches fired for less (Jon Gruden, Andy Reid, Jeff Fisher are a few off the top of my head).

 

[Stormtrooper]

While there always are chances of busts happening (Leaf, Russel, etc.) teams that hit the jackpot on those QBs are usually set for a decade plus (Indy with Manning, Giants with Eli, Falcons are set for a while with Ryan, same for Ravens and Flacco, etc. etc.). Unless Geno comes out and blows everyones beliefs of him out of the water (which I doubt since I believe many of his gaudy stats were merely a product of the system Holgorsen had in place) I wouldn't knock the Jets going for a top QB. It certainly wouldn't be unprecedented territory to ditch a 2nd rounder for a top 5 pick, or even a first rounder. Carolina did it with Cam over Clausen. Cleveland did it with Weeden over McCoy (although they weren't in back to back years).

Oh if they went with the top QB next year it wouldn't be a problem, as long as they actually give Geno a chance (or can somehow get equal value for him). That's what they did with Cam over Clausen, and Weeden over McCoy. If the non-first rounder isn't working out, draft a clear cut #1 overall pick QB.

The Browns never should have drafted Weeden by the way. Very marginal improvement and Weeden's older. Keep with McCoy or sign a FA QB and use the 1st rounder on a guy that is gonna be around longer. If McCoy still doesn't work then get an new guy next year (the guy the next year will have better potential then Weeden).

And fair or not, not many coaches are gonna stay around if they miss the playoffs 3 straight years without a hell of a resume. While he has two CC appearances to his name, there's been better coaches fired for less (Jon Gruden, Andy Reid, Jeff Fisher are a few off the top of my head).

Reid and Fisher had such a long history that both franchises needed a change (and Fisher had 2 rebuilds already and shouldn't have gotten a 3rd). And Reid also had a lot worse year in terms of unreached potential (Philly was the "Dream Team" after all for 2 seasons). Jets never really failed to reach their potential (nobody thought 2012 Jets were gonna be anything, and not many thought the Jets would be great in 2011).

I do agree that he can be fired, and people get fired for less, but that doesn't mean every coach should be fired, or that Rex should.


Basically, Rex has never underperformed to the fair expectations of the team (sure he underperformed to his own Super Bowl aspirations, but so has every other NFL Coach), so why should he be fired? He's been dealt a shit hand this year (cap hell forced them to lose talented players) and last (injuries to numerous key starters).

 

[Harthan]

Just got back from the Indians game tonight. Fucking awesome. Maybe my favorite Indians game I've ever attended, though last year's epic 10-9 win over the Reds is also very high up there. Ubaldo Jimenez had a fine, albeit short start allowing 2 earned over five but striking out 9. Rich Hill allowed a two run homer to tie it at three, which is where it stayed until the bottom of the tenth. Mark Reynolds strikes out. Michael Brantley grounds out. It looks like we're going to the eleventh, but Stubbs walks and steals. Bourn hits an infield single. Runners at the corners, two outs, Kipnis comes up, and nonchalantly knocks one of the park for a fucking awesome walk off. Phenomenal win, awesome celebration with my fellow 34,000+ in the park, awesome night.

#RollTribe

 

[Stormtrooper]

Well Notre Dame is fucked.

Everett Golson is no longer enrolled at Notre Dame, and Federal law prohibits them from explaining why. What in the fucking hell happened?!

Gunner Kiel transferred to Cincinnati (a move he probably regrets now since he'd have been starting), so Tommy Rees will probably be starting this year.

 

[The Brain]

I'm not much of a hockey guy but is there anything in sports more exciting than a game 7 sudden death overtime?