The Sports Bar

[Stormtrooper]

2 big QB injuries in the NFL yesterday.

Matt Cassel needs hand surgery and will miss a "significant amount of time," potentially being placed on IR. But since the Chiefs suck, it doesn't matter. The Raiders will win the division, and the Broncos will finish in 2nd.

ALSO, Matt Shaub has a lisfranc injury in his foot. Matt Leinart (remember him?) will be starting next week, and potentially beyond that. This is huge, since the Texans were projected as a playoff team. With Leinart at the helm, who knows. This opens the door once again for the 5-4 Titans, and even the not very good 3-6 Jaguars, if Leinart sucks ass.

 

[Big Sexy]

Matt Leinart isn't completely incompetent. The defense and running game is more then good enough to still win them the division. They have the bye week to prepare and then they still have games left against the Jags, Panthers, and Colts. The Titans have the tougher schedule of the two and are two games back.

 

[Moon Knight]

Matt Leinart isn't completely incompetent. The defense and running game is more then good enough to still win them the division. They have the bye week to prepare and then they still have games left against the Jags, Panthers, and Colts. The Titans have the tougher schedule of the two and are two games back.

Matt Leinart is like Ryan Leaf, all the talent and none of the maturity and work ethic to make good use of it. If he ever applied himself and actually worked hard he might make something of himself. This is his LAST CHANCE to prove he can be legit starter in this league.

 

[Big Sexy]

Matt Leinart is like Ryan Leaf, all the talent and none of the maturity and work ethic to make good use of it. If he ever applied himself and actually worked hard he might make something of himself. This is his LAST CHANCE to prove he can be legit starter in this league.

Horrible comparison. Leinart may not have applied himself like he should have early in his career but he was never nearly as bad as Ryan Leaf. Those around Leinart have also said that he has been much more committed the last few years.

 

[Moon Knight]

Horrible comparison. Leinart may not have applied himself like he should have early in his career but he was never nearly as bad as Ryan Leaf. Those around Leinart have also said that he has been much more committed the last few years.

No, its a valid one. neither wanted to do the work, leinart wanted all the glory but didn't want to work for it. Severity aside, there are similarities between them.

 

[Big Sexy]

No, its a valid one. neither wanted to do the work, leinart wanted all the glory but didn't want to work for it. Severity aside, there are similarities between them.

Very, very mild similarities. Leaf was an arrogant asshole who literally put in no work. Leinart was Mr Hollywood who put in some work but not the amount that was needed. He was never even close to being as bad as Leaf and he also grew out of that stage after his first 2-3 years unlike Leaf who has always been the same guy.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

So now people are saying that Aaron Rodgers is the most complete QB ever and that he is playing the position better than anyone ever? What a joke.

 

[Davi323]

Since there is a nice little debate going on between Big Sexy and Moon Knight about the comparative values between Ryan Leaf and Matt Leinart, I decided to see how they actually matched up against each other.

Pass attempts: Leaf 655, Leinart 595
Pass completions: Leaf 317, Leinart 340
Completion percentage: Leaf 48.4, Leinart 57.1
Touchdowns: Leaf 14, Leinart 14
Interceptions: Leaf 36, Leinart 20
Passing yards: Leaf 3,666, Leinart 3,893
NFL QB rating: Leaf 50 Leinart 70.8

So, to summarize all of this statistical mumbo jumbo, Matt Leinart has thrown for more yards with more completions on less attempts, has a significantly higher completion rate, with 16 less INTs, and a QB rating that is over 20 points higher.

Leinart's stats still suck big time, but there is NO comparison between him and Leaf. Leaf's stats actually make JaMarcus Russell seem competent in comparison. In that, I think Big Sexy wins that argument.

However, I do agree with Moon Knight that this is probably Leinart's last shot at doing anything in the NFL. If he doesn't do anything this year, he is going to be either retired, or a permanent backup.

 

[jmt225]

So now people are saying that Aaron Rodgers is the most complete QB ever and that he is playing the position better than anyone ever? What a joke.

It's actually not a joke at all. I can't stand the douchebag, but Aaron Rodgers is on pace to breaking Drew Brees' Completion % record, Tom Bradys' touchdowns record, Peyton Manning's Qb rating record, and Dan Marino's yardage record all in one season. He IS playing the position as good as its ever been played, period.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

The only one I will give Rodgers is maybe the completion one. I've never seen so much praise for this guy. He's been great for like the last 12 or 13 games. I'll still take Brady right now over Aaron.

 

[The Crock]

As of right now? Brady?

 

[Thriller Ant]

The only one I will give Rodgers is maybe the completion one. I've never seen so much praise for this guy. He's been great for like the last 12 or 13 games. I'll still take Brady right now over Aaron.

He won a Super Bowl last year, and in a year when quite a few quarterbacks are having great statistical seasons, he's is having the best one of them all.

The bolded part made me lol though. "Yeah, he sucks. He's only been great for the whole entire season."

 

[The Crock]

Seriously, I was DYING.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I heard no mention of him being the best until the playoffs hence why I said last 12 or 13 games. The guy is great but people are already throwing him into the discussion for best ever. Im not there yet.

 

[Moon Knight]

Since there is a nice little debate going on between Big Sexy and Moon Knight about the comparative values between Ryan Leaf and Matt Leinart, I decided to see how they actually matched up against each other.

Pass attempts: Leaf 655, Leinart 595
Pass completions: Leaf 317, Leinart 340
Completion percentage: Leaf 48.4, Leinart 57.1
Touchdowns: Leaf 14, Leinart 14
Interceptions: Leaf 36, Leinart 20
Passing yards: Leaf 3,666, Leinart 3,893
NFL QB rating: Leaf 50 Leinart 70.8

So, to summarize all of this statistical mumbo jumbo, Matt Leinart has thrown for more yards with more completions on less attempts, has a significantly higher completion rate, with 16 less INTs, and a QB rating that is over 20 points higher.

Leinart's stats still suck big time, but there is NO comparison between him and Leaf. Leaf's stats actually make JaMarcus Russell seem competent in comparison. In that, I think Big Sexy wins that argument.

However, I do agree with Moon Knight that this is probably Leinart's last shot at doing anything in the NFL. If he doesn't do anything this year, he is going to be either retired, or a permanent backup.

Nice try Davi, the comparison has nothing to do with stats but with how much work they put in and their maturity levels. Severity and stats are not apart of this, it is about how both had and Leinart still has all the tools needed to succeed in the NFL but neither were willing to put in the effort to succeed. That's where the similarities are, in that both have shown that they were not willing to put in the work to make it and came across like they wanted all the glory and none of the work to earn it.

 

[Moon Knight]

It's actually not a joke at all. I can't stand the douchebag, but Aaron Rodgers is on pace to breaking Drew Brees' Completion % record, Tom Bradys' touchdowns record, Peyton Manning's Qb rating record, and Dan Marino's yardage record all in one season. He IS playing the position as good as its ever been played, period.

No he isn't, period. Both Brees and Brady are averaging more yards per game so even IF he does break Marino's record he will still be third at this rate. Brees is also on pace to break his own completion % record and Rodgers is throwing for LESS TD's than Brady over the same period in 2007, Brady had 33 to Rodgers 28. Not that this matters, look into how much the league has regulated defense out of the game, nowhere near as though of a league then it was when Marino played. Marino would throw for 400 yards and 5 TD's a game if he played today.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

It's actually not a joke at all. I can't stand the douchebag, but Aaron Rodgers is on pace to breaking Drew Brees' Completion % record, Tom Bradys' touchdowns record, Peyton Manning's Qb rating record, and Dan Marino's yardage record all in one season. He IS playing the position as good as its ever been played, period.

Great points here, I don't see anyone throwing more accurately right now and he is also more mobile than any of the guys you mention above.

QB is a tricky position to judge year by year and generation by generation due to the rule changes and other evolutions of the NFL but based on Rodgers stats and winning he is the best guy playing the position right now. However, his momentum could easily change with an injury, bad weather or the fact that GB may have nothing to play for at some point very soon.

Regardless, I attribute all of Rodgers success this year to my drafting him in the first round of my fantasy league and him being a douchebag.

 

[Big Sexy]

Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the NFL right now hands down. He needs to do this a couple more years to be considered one of the best ever but I don't see anything slowing him down.

 

[The Bearded One]

I don't know how anyone could choose anyone other than Rodgers as the best QB in the NFL today.

 

[Megatron]

Rodgers is the best right now and is far and away the MVP. That's not even up for debate.

Speaking of QB's, Bearded, how's Gabbert doing? From most of the stats it looks like he's doing pretty bad (ESPN's QBR I think has him like last or at least in the bottom 5) but is it more of just the receivers blowing/bad coaching or has he performed poorly? He was thought of as possibly a #1 pick during the draft but so far of the few that have played (Newton, Dalton, even Ponder) it seems like he's off to the worst start of them. Think they'll go get Blackmon/Jeffrey/best receiver available in the draft. The D doesn't seem that poor but other then MJD and maybe Lewis the O doesn't seem very capable.

 

[The Bearded One]

Rodgers is the best right now and is far and away the MVP. That's not even up for debate.

Speaking of QB's, Bearded, how's Gabbert doing? From most of the stats it looks like he's doing pretty bad (ESPN's QBR I think has him like last or at least in the bottom 5) but is it more of just the receivers blowing/bad coaching or has he performed poorly? He was thought of as possibly a #1 pick during the draft but so far of the few that have played (Newton, Dalton, even Ponder) it seems like he's off to the worst start of them. Think they'll go get Blackmon/Jeffrey/best receiver available in the draft. The D doesn't seem that poor but other then MJD and maybe Lewis the O doesn't seem very capable.

He hasn't been good, but he is nowhere near as bad as his numbers make him look. Gabbert looks really skiddish in the pocket and shies away from contact. He falls back to avoid getting hit when he could step up in the pocket to make a throw. But he isn't getting any help whatsoever from any of the receivers. They drop at least four or five well-thrown balls a game and that is killing his completion percentage. Against the Texans he was 10 for 30, but the receivers dropped six passes I counted in the first half alone. I've never seen a receiver corps as bad as the Jags receivers this season. Lewis has been a major disappointment this year. He has been awful. Actually, he's been worse than awful. This is by far the worst he has ever played in his career.

So while Gabbert hasn't really been as good as hoped, he has had absolutely no help at all from anyone other than MJD. Gabbert has also played four or five of the best pass defenses in the league in the games he's started, so he's been against the best of the best.

Also, the defense is great this year. I'm wanting to say they're ranked in the top five. They are the reason the Jags are even in any of the games.

 

[Big Sexy]

Gabbert was definitely thrown to the fire way before he was ready. The biggest stat that stands out with him for me is that he has only completed 50% of his passes that travel 10 yards or less. Bad receivers or not that is awful. He obviously has time to improve but right now he is reminding me of Derek Anderson and not the Pro Bowl version.

 

[Megatron]

I was looking at the standings and the Jags would be picking somewhere between 6 and 11, so at least they'd be in a good spot to get a Blackmon or Jeffrey and help Gabbert out.

And with Del Rio out after the year maybe they'll go after an offensive coach and help Gabbert out.

 

[The Bearded One]

I'm hoping the Jags get Blackmon and get a good receiver in free agency. I know there are going to be some good ones available, even though I can't remember who they are off the top of my head.

 

[Big Sexy]

I'm hoping the Jags get Blackmon and get a good receiver in free agency. I know there are going to be some good ones available, even though I can't remember who they are off the top of my head.

Vincent Jackson, Marques Colston, Dwayne Bowe, Stevie Johnson, Wes Welker, Reggie Wayne, and Braylon Edwards are all potential free agents.