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Stormtrooper
Championship Contender
I was saying they weren't that good. I said that because they aren't all that good. They don't have a #1 (DHB is shit, and was picked 20 spots too high). They need a guy that scares defenses, and they don't have that. To be fair, Campbell never really had that I don't think (no, Santana Moss isn't a scary #1-type receiver). They need to somehow acquire a #1 receiver (via trade/FA since NE has their 1st).
So you're right, all they need is a #1. Too bad not having a #1 really kills the quality of your receiving corps.
It had to be done. He's not getting the job done, and doesn't seem to be a good fit as a head coach.
There should be some awesome WR's to come out in the draft this year. AJ Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon (I think he can come out) and a South Carolina receiver (forget his name) could all be great players. Green most definitely.
Too bad Al Davis will go with the guy that runs a 4.2 out of a D-IAA college for his first pick, because that man loves his speed.
Too bad Al Davis will go with the guy that runs a 4.2 out of a D-IAA college for his first pick, because that man loves his speed.
They really are that bad actually. Louis Murphy is AT BEST a number two and he is trying to be the number one guy. The rest are 3rd to 5th receivers and they are trying to make Ford or Bey a number two guy which just isn't going to work. It also doesn't help that every receiver on the team is exactly the same. They are all speed guys. The team doesn't have any possession receivers. Al Davis is obsessed with speed and that's all he has. A group of fast slot guys. You can't have an effective passing game with that.
Stormtrooper
Championship Contender
There should be some awesome WR's to come out in the draft this year. AJ Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon (I think he can come out) and a South Carolina receiver (forget his name) could all be great players. Green most definitely.
Too bad Al Davis will go with the guy that runs a 4.2 out of a D-IAA college for his first pick, because that man loves his speed.
Oakland won't pick until the mid 40's. Traded their 2011 1st for Richard Seymour.
All the top WRs will be gone by then.
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
No they aren't that bad. A lot of those guys like Murphy and Ford are pretty good and getting better, have you seen what Ford does? He does scare defenses. Chaz Schilens hasnt played much, but has some potential if healthy, a core of Murphy, Schilens, Ford, Bay and Miller is actually pretty good. That core is FAR from shit.
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
Provide some evidence of why this is true instead of just saying it.
Ah completely forgot about that. Of course the rich get richer with the Pats stealing a first rounder.
And like Big Sexy said, what they need is a possession receiver that can go across the middle and catch balls. Those other guys can stretch the field. Don't know who all will be FA's though, or who will be good, for receivers, around then in the draft.
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
They are average at best, but not shit like sexy claims they are. Ford is becoming a scary threat with his ability to break it for big gains, Murphy is improving and DHB has improved over last year as well.
The best season any receiver on the roster has ever had is 39 catches for 580 yards and 2 touchdowns, and that is Louis Murphy's season this year. Like I said, they have one potential number two receiver and a few potential slot guys. That overall makes for, at the moment, a fairly shit receiving group. When your top receiver is almost certainly going to fail to get even 700 yards receiving that just isn't good. They are all young, inexperienced, and the same type of receiver. What they may become in the future and may become if they add a number one is irrelevant to this season. This season they are not good at all.
The Holy One
What's really good?
I just can't wait to go to the Monday Night game tomorrow. I'm fully expecting another classic from the Saints and Falcons.
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
Didnt you just call the Raiders a run first team? Murphy has only been targeted 72 times all year for a difference of 35 while great wideouts like Roddy White and Calvin Johnson have differences way higher. I am not saying he is as good, but saying stats are not a good indicator of talent for a wideout as players like Moss in his prime could catch 1 pass and still be the best player on the field. Some things don't show up on a stat sheet.
BTW, those stats I gave (I have lots of em) were before the Indy game not after.
The Raiders WR crew is still young and developing. Louis Murphy and DHB are in their second years, Jacoby Ford is a rookie, and Chaz is the veteran of them with three years experience. Wide outs usually take awhile to develop and it is usually their third or fourth year that they breakout. Here are just some examples:
I'm sure there are a handful of other guys that could go on the list, but you get the point. We can't count out one of those guys turning into a go to WR. This seems to be a trending thing in the NFL and you gotta think it will continue. Sure the Raiders could use a guy who looks like an elite WR (or is if they chose to sign one), but there is a chance that one of their WR's light clicks and they start to show what they are truly made of.
I'm sure there are a handful of other guys that could go on the list, but you get the point. We can't count out one of those guys turning into a go to WR. This seems to be a trending thing in the NFL and you gotta think it will continue. Sure the Raiders could use a guy who looks like an elite WR (or is if they chose to sign one), but there is a chance that one of their WR's light clicks and they start to show what they are truly made of.
Yes they are a run first team but even run first teams have receivers that put up better numbers then that. When your top receiver is going to finish with less then 50 catches, less then 700 yards and under 5 tds, that isn't good, at all.
The Jets were a run first team last year but Jericho Cotchery still had over 800 yards receiving and Braylon Edwards had just under 600 in only 12 games. The 2008 Vikings were a run first team and they still had Bernard Berrian with 964 yards receiving and Bobby Wade as the number two with 53 catches for over 600 yards.
I realize they are very young and still growing, and yes they do have potential but that has jack shit to do with THIS season. This season they aren't there yet and this season they aren't very good.
Joe's Gonna Kill You
The Hunt is On
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The Holy One
What's really good?
Great game to be at tonight, sad to see Atlanta fall but the only need to beat Carolina to lock up home field and the number 1 seed. It's always good to see games like that win or lose.
So the pro bowl rosters were announced and for the most part I agree with them. Only a few faults like Matt Cassel not making it, but I expect him to be the top alternate for the AFC. Jacoby Ford not being the return man is a sham, as no one has been better than him at kickoffs this season. As for the Vikings we have one pro bowler, Adrian Peterson. Can't complain there. Really disappointed Chad Greenway didn't make it, as he has been our best defensive player and really one of the best LB in the NFL this year. Guess he can keep the tag of one of the most underrated defensive guys in football.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d470fb/article/2011-pro-bowl-rosters?module=HP_cp2
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d470fb/article/2011-pro-bowl-rosters?module=HP_cp2
I'm very happy the Lions got two pro bowlers and both are starting. Calvin Johnson at receiver and Suh at defensive tackle. Both are well deserved.
A have a couple gripes, both with the NFC. Aaron Rodgers should have made it over Drew Brees and Stefan Logan of the Lions should have been the returner over Devon Hester. Hester was not a full time returner. He returned punts on a full time basis but he only had 12 kick returns on the season. Logan was the full time kick and punt returner and he had the second highest return average on kicks for all full time kick returners in the NFC.
A have a couple gripes, both with the NFC. Aaron Rodgers should have made it over Drew Brees and Stefan Logan of the Lions should have been the returner over Devon Hester. Hester was not a full time returner. He returned punts on a full time basis but he only had 12 kick returns on the season. Logan was the full time kick and punt returner and he had the second highest return average on kicks for all full time kick returners in the NFC.
What a win for the Vikes! Sure I'd love to have the higher draft pick, but to go out and beat the Eagles is worth the few spots we will fall (especially when you live in the area). Joe Webb looked good out there, not great, but good enough. He deserves to be the front runner for the starting job next year. Defense was great, offense was good, special teams was solid, and Frazier may very well be the next head coach.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I hate college bowl games. I really do.
I Suck Ass
I survived the Rapture
Yeah, I agree LJL. I really don't want to see North State Tech University vs. Southwest State Tech University.
As for the Pro Bowl roster, I don't see much issue with the NFC. Love that Da Bears got 4 guys in.
As for the Pro Bowl roster, I don't see much issue with the NFC. Love that Da Bears got 4 guys in.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
Should have elaborated more. I love college bowl games. I hate that I can't pick any of them right. I've only gotten two right. Both West Virginia and Missouri lost last night.
I still say that at the least Rodgers deserves in over Brees. Brees had more yards and td's but that can all be contributed to the fact that he threw almost 200 more passes then Rodgers and even with that his numbers in those categories weren't a ton better. Brees also was second in the league in interceptions with 21, Rodgers only threw 10. Rodgers also had a qb rating about 10 points higher and a higher yards per attempt average.
I Suck Ass
I survived the Rapture
Yeah, I'll agree with that. Rodgers had an amazing year. Brees just throws a ton because New Orleans doesn't have much of a run game.
