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The Shield's break up has damaged Reigns' WM hopes

Wald

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It's getting more and more clear that if the WWE want to go with Roman Reigns as their next big thing that they've made an error in breaking up the Shield in June of this year.

From their very formation and debut it was obvious that Rollins and Ambrose, the two more experienced of the group, were going to be carrying the work load in the ring and on the mic whilst Reigns became a little less green. The plan worked and the trio got as over as a stable has been since the days of DX. Ambrose looked like an unhinged star, Rollins looked like a talented star and Reigns looked like a bad ass star. At the start of the year everyone had Reigns pegged as the breakout guy from The Shield due to his look and his growing ability.

Fast forward to this summer and The Shield have broken up with Rollins and Ambrose moving in to the hottest singles feud in the company and Reigns heading off to work with Randy Orton primarily. At Summerslam we saw that the smark section of the crowd was beginning to turn on Reigns, you could hear boos at certain points of his offence and Orton, who has been boooked so poorly in the past twelve months that he has given new meaning to the term X-Pac Heat, even started getting cheers.

It's a sign of things to come. Reigns has looked good since the split but not great. He still needs a lot of work on the mic and his matches have been passable. But nothing screams that this is the guy we all should get behind. Just look at the contrast in pops between him and Ambrose, for example. Ambrose is getting over with the crowd through his talent, not because we're being led to cheer the guy. Reigns isn't getting over with the crowd organically any more and that is going to be a big problem in the near future.

If the rumoured medium term plans are true and the big picture is for Roman Reigns to win the Royal Rumble and challenge Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania next year than I predict that Reigns will get mostly booed. Brock has stepped up the entire industry's game to a level that few can match at present. His offence and his character are so realistic that seeing Reigns give Brock a Superman punch would snap us all out of the suspense that we need to have as fans of pro wrestling. If that happens then it won't go well for Reigns.

In my opinion The Shield should have been left together until Survivor Series. You could have had Rollins and Ambrose play out their feud after that and it would have achieved a few things. First is that it would have given Reigns another half year to work on his delivery on the mic and in the ring. Second, it would have given us less time to think about whether Reigns should be the next main guy. There's a clear path to follow from Survivor Series to Royal Rumble to Wrestlemania to get him in place to be an acceptable challenge to Lesnar.

As it stands I genuinely fear that the crowd will turn on him at the Rumble in the way they turned on Batista last year. If Ambrose keeps going the way he's going he could easily become this year's Daniel Bryan too.
 
Speaking of Daniel Bryan, how will he fit into this picture? There was a rumor that he might return at the next Rumble, so would a Reigns victory please the fans? WWE is getting a bit cluttered with stars right now.
 
Few things, the crowd will turn on him. The crowd is too much IWC people for him not to get booed. No matter what he will, the WWE wants to limit his moveset and the IWC fans want wider movesets. The casual fans want spots throughout the match and that's it, the IWC wanna see an actual wrestling match. Dare I say this will hurt whoever they put in this spot.

Now imagine it being Survivor Series...the Shield have been around for 2 dominant years at this point and they break up. Reigns has 3 PPV's to prove himself as a single wrestler. It's not gonna happen, then the IWC hate him more because he doesn't deserve it because he's not a single wrestler, he's a tag team wrestler :shrug: so that doesn't solve this either.

Lesnar isn't stepping up the wrestling game, they've said it already on TV, all he did was suplex and F5. So Cena has 5 moves of doom, Reigns has 4 and Lesnar is up to 3. Suplex, german suplex and F5. He's not breaking new ground, his booking is what is breaking ground.

As far as Ambrose being more cheered than Ambrose, did you see the week when he stood in the ring and held up Cena's hand? The insane pop he got, Cena got maybe half of what Reigns did and you're telling me the fans aren't behind him? So what if it's not organic, the fans are fickle! Perfect example, you'd say Cena's rise was organic right? He was given a crappy gimmick and the fans loved it and pushed him to the main event. So since than he has become one of the most hated guys in the company.

The Shield break up happened too late if anything! They should have had them break up back in February if anything. But then they wouldn't get to do Shield v Evolution.

Point of all this is, you're making a big deal about nothing right now. If Royal Rumble comes and we all forget that Reigns has the record for most eliminations, then we realize the fans don't like him. Then there's an issue but he has 3-4 more single matches on PPV before then to get over. And with the authority being the authority, he'll get over regardless. The only threat to that is if Bryan's return screws Reigns
 
Point of all this is, you're making a big deal about nothing right now.

Not true. Wrestlemania is only 7 months away. 7 months! 7 months for Reigns to begin building on his (already) dying momentum. 7 months for Reigns to learn how to cut an intriguing promo against the likes of Paul Heyman. 7 months to solidify himself as THE guy, the next "John Cena", and I daresay Roman Reigns is a LOT farther away than 7 months to prove he's ready for the biggest rub in history.

You mentioned that when Reigns and Cena were holding each others hands up, that Reigns was getting huge pops, and he definitely was. But see, that's what scares me... Those cheers have died down drastically and as OP mentioned, the guy was actually starting to get some boos at SS against Randy Orton of all people.

Contrary to popular belief this is a huge deal right now, and definitely something I think the whole IWC will have their eyes on.
 
Not true. Wrestlemania is only 7 months away. 7 months! 7 months for Reigns to begin building on his (already) dying momentum. 7 months for Reigns to learn how to cut an intriguing promo against the likes of Paul Heyman. 7 months to solidify himself as THE guy, the next "John Cena", and I daresay Roman Reigns is a LOT farther away than 7 months to prove he's ready for the biggest rub in history.

You mentioned that when Reigns and Cena were holding each others hands up, that Reigns was getting huge pops, and he definitely was. But see, that's what scares me... Those cheers have died down drastically and as OP mentioned, the guy was actually starting to get some boos at SS against Randy Orton of all people.

Contrary to popular belief this is a huge deal right now, and definitely something I think the whole IWC will have their eyes on.

Thing is; at SummerSlam; Roman Reigns was a part of his first ever Singles match...it was an opportunity for the WWE to let him do some stuff differently...


Instead, the same Roman Reigns who obviously does know more wrestling moves than just a Samoan Drop, basically did nothing actually fresh(yes, a Samoan Drop from the top rope was interesting but... and a Sleeper Hold of some sort)...as I have said in other threads, Roman is working on both In-Ring and Mic Work aspects, and has gradually improved somewhat...


However, whilst Mic Work won't just start to get brilliant, as he has to find the correct style(the Scripted stuff hinders him alot,lMO, the amount of cheesy shit that is written for him is appalling), at least they could let him show some new stuff in the ring gradually, instead of letting him do the exact same 3/4 moves every match coupled with punch after punch after punch.



There is no doubt that Reigns has the Look, but there is also no doubt, that him being pushed hard by the WWE has got him over with the fans over the past few months also.

However, Creative's willingness to remain in virtual cruise control especially with regards to Roman Reigns' In-Ring work, could result in that entire push being wasted because of a limit to the guy's moveset...
 
7 months is a long time away but at the same breath its not.. Roman has a lot of work to do.. HE is big no doubt there and could hang in the strength department with anyone including Lesnar.. But thats where it ends.. He is miles away from cutting a good promo,his in-ring work is improving but still he has miles to go.. His sleeper hold or whatever looked sloppy i applaud him for breaking out a new move,but clearly his inefficiencies in the ring are showing..

Ambrose and Rollins are miles ahead of him in the ring and on the mic.. I dont think he can be ready to face Lesnar at WM31.. I think Vince himself is saying besides the money part,that Roman wont be ready to face Lesnar at WM31. Thats why I think Vince rumored has said the rock would be a better opponent to face Brock! I like Roman i do,he has a bright future ahead of him,but dont push him too soon.

I love the Superman Punch,but that wont be enough to shoot him to the top.. Makes us Believe in you Roman we want to
 
Okay, I disagree with the majority of people thus far. I get where you're coming from guys, but consider the flipside. You're all right in that Reigns looks the greenest right now, and this isn't helped by both Ambrose and Rollins being fricking superb.All 3 are on fire at the moment, and I believe all 3 could become world champ within say, 2 years, depending on the whims of booking. But to address the break-up and whether it damages Reigns:

First of all, Reigns is now truly established as a singles guy. Lone dude wearing that attire and using that music for one. This is helped by his recent PPV victory over multi-time world champ Orton in what I consider a decent showing at Summerslam.

Second, Reigns is very over. He comes on through the crowd, and is a blunt and straightforward talker. All of that says "one of us". People identify with that. Sure Ambrose is the crazy "what will he do next" guy, and Rollins has the anime hair and the briefcase, but Reigns shares his entrance with the fans. It is awesome that he is the one who got to keep the entrance following the break-up.

Reigns will improve, he's doing so already. I may be a bit of a mark sure, but I think my points hold up. I like all 3 of The Shield, and wish them well (not in their future endeavors though, if you see what I mean :P)
 
"the interwebz have told us that Reigns is the WWE pick as the next guy because he is our stereotype of what the WWE likes so we bought that line. Now that he's not as over as two more talented guys, what will the internet say WWE is going to do?"

This is why I don't read dirt sheets. I never believed Reigns was the one guy WWE wanted out of the Shield. Pretty clear they want all three to be successful. HHH has (reportedly, again I don't believe any of that, but he does have the briefcase) always liked Rollins. Ambrose is over and Vince doesn't care about anything as much as he cares about making money.

Whoever is most over will get the nod. Maybe even all three?
 
I think the internet fans are looking into this too critically. Batista had a hell of a run 2005-2010, would have been better if he wasn't shelved for a year. He was never good on the mic and nobody gave a shit about his 'moveset.' Reigns is 6'3, 284 lbs, what do you expect chain wrestling? He does need some improvement on the mic, but really, he just needs to be average. He's facing Orton now, probably HHH soon. He'll get some really good experience out of them
 
I think the internet fans are looking into this too critically. Batista had a hell of a run 2005-2010, would have been better if he wasn't shelved for a year. He was never good on the mic and nobody gave a shit about his 'moveset.' Reigns is 6'3, 284 lbs, what do you expect chain wrestling? He does need some improvement on the mic, but really, he just needs to be average. He's facing Orton now, probably HHH soon. He'll get some really good experience out of them

Batista was superior to Reigns in almost every way. Batista actually had a PERSONALITY!!! Reigns not only sucks on the mic, but he doesnt have a personality at all and genuinely comes off as an extremely boring guy.

Nobody knows what the wwe wants or tells Reigns to do so I dont understand why we keep discussing this. Dirt sheets say something once and everybody treats it as fact for the rest of the year. Until Vince or HHH publicly state that Reigns will face Brock at WM, I wont believe it. He is a project much like Ryback was...Nothing more. The IWC just loves to hype up everything and make something out of nothing.
 
Batista was superior to Reigns in almost every way. Batista actually had a PERSONALITY!!! Reigns not only sucks on the mic, but he doesnt have a personality at all and genuinely comes off as an extremely boring guy.

Nobody knows what the wwe wants or tells Reigns to do so I dont understand why we keep discussing this. Dirt sheets say something once and everybody treats it as fact for the rest of the year. Until Vince or HHH publicly state that Reigns will face Brock at WM, I wont believe it. He is a project much like Ryback was...Nothing more. The IWC just loves to hype up everything and make something out of nothing.

I think Roman Reigns has personality. He reminds me of Kevin Nash. Look at his segments with Vickie Guerrero he had a couple of weeks ago. He could be like the new age "Big Sexy".

Yeah that's true about nobody knows what the WWE wants. Dirtsheets said for weeks that it's supposed to be HHH vs. Reigns at NoC but it sure doesn't look like it that'll take place since Orton and him are still going at it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Reigns isn't in the main event. They still hadn't done those speculated matches - Lesnar vs. Bryan, HHH vs. Reigns and Brock vs. Rock
 
I think Roman Reigns has personality. He reminds me of Kevin Nash. Look at his segments with Vickie Guerrero he had a couple of weeks ago. He could be like the new age "Big Sexy".

Yeah that's true about nobody knows what the WWE wants. Dirtsheets said for weeks that it's supposed to be HHH vs. Reigns at NoC but it sure doesn't look like it that'll take place since Orton and him are still going at it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Reigns isn't in the main event. They still hadn't done those speculated matches - Lesnar vs. Bryan, HHH vs. Reigns and Brock vs. Rock

I disagree about the Nash comparison, but I do think Roman Reigns has more of a personality than people give him credit for. He's just not as extroverted as other wrestlers, although his spat with the Miz did show another side to him which you don't see very often. Hell, he was even occasionally playful with the Shield when they were together.

He's intense, focused and uses words sparingly, but he does have a personality...He's not exceptional on the mic, but his promos are still better than half of the roster. He only seems stiff compared to the other main eventers.
 
It's a sign of things to come. Reigns has looked good since the split but not great. He still needs a lot of work on the mic and his matches have been passable. But nothing screams that this is the guy we all should get behind. Just look at the contrast in pops between him and Ambrose, for example. Ambrose is getting over with the crowd through his talent, not because we're being led to cheer the guy. Reigns isn't getting over with the crowd organically any more and that is going to be a big problem in the near future.

In my opinion The Shield should have been left together until Survivor Series. You could have had Rollins and Ambrose play out their feud after that and it would have achieved a few things. First is that it would have given Reigns another half year to work on his delivery on the mic and in the ring. Second, it would have given us less time to think about whether Reigns should be the next main guy. There's a clear path to follow from Survivor Series to Royal Rumble to Wrestlemania to get him in place to be an acceptable challenge to Lesnar.

I agree with the first part of this quote for the most part. Ambrose is the most over guy in the WWE right now. Mainly because people hate Rollins so much, and that's who he's feuding with, so it's easy to cheer for him. Also he is out of the three, the best on the mic, and has a natural ability just to make people like him. His unpredictability is a breathe of fresh air in an industry where it seems people are controlled like puppets on a string. He has cut the strings and is out on his own creating havoc, and that what we want to see. You never know where or when he's going to show up, and what he'll do when he does.

Take the Rollins interview the other night on RAW. Ambrose's facial expression after he dumped the bucket of ice water on Rollins, was priceless and the excuse, "What.....it's for charity." made me at least burst out laughing. Not many could have pulled that off in such a natural manner. He's a bit unorthodox in the ring, but that just adds to his charm.

As for your second point, that I disagree with to a certain extent. If the Shield had stayed together for another 6 months or so, it would have given Reigns another 6 months to hide in essence behind the other two. If you remember back to when they were together, he's the one we heard the least from on the mic, and the one who we saw the least of during a match. He needed that time to grow, which I might had haven't seen a lot of, into a singles wrestler.

He is marginally better on the mic, but not everyone has great mic work, and I don't hold that against him. It's his in ring work and moveset that bothers me the most. He has what at most 4 big moves, the spear, outside jump kick, superman punch and Samoan Drop. Yes he has a bunch of punches, but really nothing else that a lot of other wrestler's don't.

His matches seem to run like this. Gets a bit of offence in, then gets creamed for awhile. Gets a second wind. Does a Samoan Drop, couple of punches, other guy goes down. Roman points at him, jumps out of the ring, runs around the corner and kicks the guys head off. Then he gets back into the ring, holds up his arm, sets up for the Superman punch and deliver's it. Then while the opponent is recovering from that, he leans back roars and deliver's a devastating spear, that according to JBL "Cuts the guy in half".

That in a nutshell is every Roman Reigns match I'e ever seen, whether on TV on in person. Yes he has the look and the body type the WWE are after, but his matches are boring and predictable. And I predict that there will be a lot more boo's in his future unless he changes it up a little. Only time will tell, if the WWE will let him use some of the talent he showed in NXT. They could also put him into a more interesting feud than just Orton and Kane for Christ's sake, that seems to be all he feuded with since the break up.
 
I think the internet fans are looking into this too critically. Batista had a hell of a run 2005-2010, would have been better if he wasn't shelved for a year. He was never good on the mic and nobody gave a shit about his 'moveset.' Reigns is 6'3, 284 lbs, what do you expect chain wrestling? He does need some improvement on the mic, but really, he just needs to be average. He's facing Orton now, probably HHH soon. He'll get some really good experience out of them

That's entirely my point though. Batista was protected by Evolution for the absolute longest time and was only sent after the belt at the Royal Rumble and the post-Raw Evolution break up. It meant that fans were hot for his face turn and didn't have the time to cool on him pre-Mania.

Lets say Evolution had split up in June of 2004 instead of January of 2005. That is seven long months for Batista to get through to still be the guy everyone wanted in the main event of Wrestlemania and is, essentially, what Reigns is facing.
 
I agree with the first part of this quote for the most part. Ambrose is the most over guy in the WWE right now. Mainly because people hate Rollins so much, and that's who he's feuding with, so it's easy to cheer for him. Also he is out of the three, the best on the mic, and has a natural ability just to make people like him. His unpredictability is a breathe of fresh air in an industry where it seems people are controlled like puppets on a string. He has cut the strings and is out on his own creating havoc, and that what we want to see. You never know where or when he's going to show up, and what he'll do when he does.

Take the Rollins interview the other night on RAW. Ambrose's facial expression after he dumped the bucket of ice water on Rollins, was priceless and the excuse, "What.....it's for charity." made me at least burst out laughing. Not many could have pulled that off in such a natural manner. He's a bit unorthodox in the ring, but that just adds to his charm.

As for your second point, that I disagree with to a certain extent. If the Shield had stayed together for another 6 months or so, it would have given Reigns another 6 months to hide in essence behind the other two. If you remember back to when they were together, he's the one we heard the least from on the mic, and the one who we saw the least of during a match. He needed that time to grow, which I might had haven't seen a lot of, into a singles wrestler.

He is marginally better on the mic, but not everyone has great mic work, and I don't hold that against him. It's his in ring work and moveset that bothers me the most. He has what at most 4 big moves, the spear, outside jump kick, superman punch and Samoan Drop. Yes he has a bunch of punches, but really nothing else that a lot of other wrestler's don't.

His matches seem to run like this. Gets a bit of offence in, then gets creamed for awhile. Gets a second wind. Does a Samoan Drop, couple of punches, other guy goes down. Roman points at him, jumps out of the ring, runs around the corner and kicks the guys head off. Then he gets back into the ring, holds up his arm, sets up for the Superman punch and deliver's it. Then while the opponent is recovering from that, he leans back roars and deliver's a devastating spear, that according to JBL "Cuts the guy in half".

That in a nutshell is every Roman Reigns match I'e ever seen, whether on TV on in person. Yes he has the look and the body type the WWE are after, but his matches are boring and predictable. And I predict that there will be a lot more boo's in his future unless he changes it up a little. Only time will tell, if the WWE will let him use some of the talent he showed in NXT. They could also put him into a more interesting feud than just Orton and Kane for Christ's sake, that seems to be all he feuded with since the break up.


Agreed with all of the above.

I wasn't much of an Ambrose fan before Mania,tbh. Even for a couple months post-Mania, Rollins was the guy who was starting to take the spotlight, whilst Reigns had already announced himself before then.


It seemed, even on this forum, that Ambrose might well end up fizzling out even though many had the highest hopes for him(with good reason also).


However, the Face turn brought out the best in him and as more Jon Moxley has been allowed to show, he has grown on me quite a bit. I am still a Roman Reigns fan, but unlike Mania time, I think Ambrose has well and truly announced himself during this face run and buried any notion of him fizzling out.


Whilst I believe he will get a Main Event run eventually, I see him as a useful guy in the mold of an HBK/Y2J, etc.... Bray Wyatt also.
Both are great on the mic, and have great personas which means that they both can be used as Side Show guys, who get stories outside of the Main Event and make such storylines worthwhile and interesting. Eventually, that is where I see Ambrose going(Notice, I didn't say he'll never be in the Main Event,etc. ;) ).



As for the part on Reigns:
I agree. Even as a fan of the guy, I have no problem in saying that if he doesn't show anything new at NoC, then there will be nowhere to go for him but down. Time for him to "Adapt or Perish".
 
That's entirely my point though. Batista was protected by Evolution for the absolute longest time and was only sent after the belt at the Royal Rumble and the post-Raw Evolution break up. It meant that fans were hot for his face turn and didn't have the time to cool on him pre-Mania.

Lets say Evolution had split up in June of 2004 instead of January of 2005. That is seven long months for Batista to get through to still be the guy everyone wanted in the main event of Wrestlemania and is, essentially, what Reigns is facing.


Ye, but whilst Batista entered into a feud with Triple H, (who most fans would have wanted to get his ass handed to him by Big Dave)....

Roman Reigns has been constantly fighting with Orton and Kane(both are deemed as boring,tbh)... Any wonder why Reigns' interactions with Triple H and John Cena have actually been very well received?? Because both guys are of interest to the fans in some form.....Orton and Kane? Not so much...

...whilst his 2 'former' Shield partners have entered a hot feud with each other(Remember, after doing the Ultimate Traitor act in a huge swerve angle post-Payback, Seth Rollins became public enemy no.1 in the WWE, so Dean Ambrose has also gotten the fans on his side due in part to that also.)
 
Anything that the hardcore part of the IWC didn't get over, they'll shit all over. See Batista and Daniel Bryan. I'm a mark for Roman Reigns i'll admit that. The IWC is sooking because reigns is being given the mega push and their favourite, whether it be rollins or ambrose, is not. Simple as that.

If you saw the Shield special on the network, you'd understand why he is getting the push. When Paul Heyman says your one of the most coachable, fast-learning future franchise player and hall of famer you know he's a special talent.
 
Anything that the hardcore part of the IWC didn't get over, they'll shit all over. See Batista and Daniel Bryan. I'm a mark for Roman Reigns i'll admit that. The IWC is sooking because reigns is being given the mega push and their favourite, whether it be rollins or ambrose, is not. Simple as that.

If you saw the Shield special on the network, you'd understand why he is getting the push. When Paul Heyman says your one of the most coachable, fast-learning future franchise player and hall of famer you know he's a special talent.

Can you PLEASSSSE SHUT THE HELLL UP with these bs excuses that the internet fans just hate anything that doesn't fit their mold... In case you haven't noticed, most of the people who are criticizing Roman Reigns are also fans of the guy (myself included) and WANT him to succeed. The "hardcore part of the IWC" is shitting all over Reigns right now because he's not doing anything to prove that he's any better than the rest of the young talent on the roster, and WWE seems hellbent on making Reigns the "guy". If you are going to be the man, than you have to prove that you're worthy of being the man first...

Also IWC is "sooking" because Ambrose and Rollins have shown a hell of a lot more than Reigns has since the split.. So what? Are we supposed to just love whoever WWE tells us to love, even if that guy is bland and boring? The smart fans criticize Roman Reigns and praise Ambrose and Rollins because the fact is, Ambrose and Rollins are a head above Reigns atm. And yes my favorites are the ones that actually interest me... Sue me.

And oh yeah... "Paul Heyman" said all of that right?
 
Reigns is less polished than the other two that's for sure, but all of them are gonna be a part of WM just like they have been for the past 2 years. the only fear I have is him getting success too soon. too many examples as to why that is a bad idea. You can look at guys like Swagger, Sheamus, or Even Randy Orton himself. His push should be gradual or he will be resented for it (See Rocky Maivia). I don't think he has the charisma to turn all of that hate into love. Reigns has a lot of natural ability. He's athletically gifted and can do anything in the the ring given time. The only thing I would say he should work more on is the individual things such as Mic work, telling a story, generating different emotions from the crowd. Once he gets that down, there will be no stopping him. Lets just hope he gets that chance to grow.
 
It's getting more and more clear that if the WWE want to go with Roman Reigns as their next big thing that they've made an error in breaking up the Shield in June of this year.

You could be right; you make a compelling argument. Still, at what point does the company make the move? Looking back, it seemed they planned to push Reigns to the sky a couple of months earlier than they did....it appeared downright puzzling when the Shield split didn't occur just when we thought it would.

Had the break-up occurred back then, how would Roman's singles career have proceeded? Even within the confines of the trio, he was being portrayed as an unstoppable force.....mysterious, savage and formidable.

At what would would it be "right" to break up the group to maximize Reigns' singles career? Whatever juncture WWE chose, he would still be what he is: physically intimidating, a brawling machine, a spot-hitter. Fans get excited at his finishing moves; the flying punch and the spear. That's what they wait for. In between, he exchanges kicks and punches with his opponents....and takes a lot of punishment; certainly a lot more than folks thought he would absorb. There's nothing overly inspiring about his ring repertoire, except for those finishers.

So, whether the Shield split occurred a few months earlier than it did....at the same time it did.....or if they waited, I don't think much would have been different. WWE Creative thinks he's ready to go; the fact he's at the level of beating Randy Orton cleanly while Ambrose & Rollins are fighting only each other is the clearest indication they believe this is Roman's time.

WARNING: If they're rushing things because they think he can get a huge reaction at the top now, yet doubt his popularity will hold up in the long term, the weaknesses they perceive will eventually come out in the wash. If that turns out to be the case, it doesn't matter much when they split up the Shield......and the company certainly isn't going to divulge that decision to us.

Prove 'em wrong, Roman.
 
With all the talk of who Lesnar will be facing at WM31, I think we have all forgotten the major obstacles he still to face in the way of RR, Elimination Chamber etc. Can WWE really keep his run up all the way to Mania, completely ignoring Rollins' briefcase? 7 months is a long time in WWE booking, especially when your champion has set periodical appearances in his contract...

...do we really buy Lesnar defending on EVERY PPV until Mania?

...and if so, how much will his lack of presence on RAW/SD! impact the heat and buildups of these feuds?

I'm gonna chuck a wildcard main event out there for WrestleMania 31:

WWE World Heavyweight Championship
Triple Threat Match
Seth Rollins (c) v Roman Reigns v Dean Ambrose

HUGE money, HUGE promo material...

I don't think they will go this route, but god I hope they do.
 
Can you PLEASSSSE SHUT THE HELLL UP with these bs excuses that the internet fans just hate anything that doesn't fit their mold... In case you haven't noticed, most of the people who are criticizing Roman Reigns are also fans of the guy (myself included) and WANT him to succeed. The "hardcore part of the IWC" is shitting all over Reigns right now because he's not doing anything to prove that he's any better than the rest of the young talent on the roster, and WWE seems hellbent on making Reigns the "guy". If you are going to be the man, than you have to prove that you're worthy of being the man first...

Also IWC is "sooking" because Ambrose and Rollins have shown a hell of a lot more than Reigns has since the split.. So what? Are we supposed to just love whoever WWE tells us to love, even if that guy is bland and boring? The smart fans criticize Roman Reigns and praise Ambrose and Rollins because the fact is, Ambrose and Rollins are a head above Reigns atm. And yes my favorites are the ones that actually interest me... Sue me.

And oh yeah... "Paul Heyman" said all of that right?

Do you honestly believe Paul Heyman wouldnt say something if he didnt mean it? The WWE could simply find anyone else to say that i.e John Cena.

Also rip off and change superstars slogans and use them on a forum, sweet life.

My criticism of the IWC is just in general, it fits in with this topic and thats why i'm bringing it up. if you wont accept the fact that the IWC shits over people because it doesnt like them then your either ignorant or blind.
 
Do you honestly believe Paul Heyman wouldnt say something if he didnt mean it? The WWE could simply find anyone else to say that i.e John Cena.

Also rip off and change superstars slogans and use them on a forum, sweet life.

My criticism of the IWC is just in general, it fits in with this topic and thats why i'm bringing it up. if you wont accept the fact that the IWC shits over people because it doesnt like them then your either ignorant or blind.

Yes, I honestly believe Paul Heyman would say something even if he didn't mean it. You know, basically every part of all WWE biographies and DVD's are scripted and that statement from Paul Heyman means a hell of a lot more than it would if it came from Cena or almost anybody else. If Vince or HHH told Paul Heyman to put Roman Reigns over as a future HOFer than that's exactly what Paul Heyman would do. The guy's a businessman above all else.

And oh my! Jericho says shut the hell up, doesn't he? Wow, my life must really suck because I reiterated a wrestler's catchphrase on a forum about wrestling that you too are also on... Good point there.

Lastly, I understand that you're criticism is of the IWC in general, but that's kind of my problem, you're generalizing. Also when is telling the truth, "shitting all over somebody"? Can Roman Reigns cut a solid promo on a consistent basis? Is Reigns even close to having a 4-5 star match with anybody? Have Ambrose and Rollins built up more momentum than Reigns? The answer to all these questions, is yes. Don't act like the IWC has always hated Reigns because we didn't "make him". The truth is, Reigns was massively over with the IWC for a long while, but why are we supposed to praise the ground this guy walks on when he's not DOING anything.
 
He has 7 months. He's a brawler...you guys do get that right? As half of the people here are fans they should understand that. He's gonna be the next "JOHN CENA" as in the guy who only has 5 moves in a normal match. So what, next week Reigns should say screw my entire style and story and just wrestle like Kurt Angle? No, this is his style. The style WWE feels comfortable pushing to the top. Not the mid card, to the top.

Then he has 7 months to make it work, you figure at Night Of Champions he fights Orton again. Same pace match, but he'll have more experience to bank on and hopefully it turns out better. Then HiaC he fights Triple H. As in the guy who has the same style pretty much. That fight should be expected to be better, especially with a cage involved. Then Survivor Series, maybe a rematch with Trips or Rollins? You have another decent match, then you have a TLC match(not gonna lie, I don't see that one going well regardless). Then the Rumble(remember he holds the record for most eliminations in one rumble). You have Elimination Chamber where he finally gets established as a threat. And you have him battle Lesnar at Mania.

As for the Batista comparison, if anything that break up hurt Batista. Everybody hated Triple H then, so when you battle him you're gonna get cheered(think anyone who feuds with Triple H, Rollins or Rusev now). He's gonna go into a Mania match with a guy who half the audience hates. As in hates, not dislikes...hates. Reigns will get cheered at Mania. You figure he's either gonna win dominantly or barely which sets up a rematch for the next PPV. And if for a single second they worry about how he's over, you have an escape plan with Seth Rollins.

I wouldn't worry about his movepool because he's a brawler/main face. Yea I'm not gonna deny he needs to work on his mic skill but he's in a feud with one of the best in history right now(shoot me I'm a Triple H fan). He'll be over until he has the belt. And it's not a jab at the IWC because I'm a member, but once he's champ we'll be ready for him to lose it. I think that's the whole problem with this. We're ready to move on. This isn't 2004 with John Cena barely using moves but being really good on the mic. This isn't Batista or Ryback or whoever you wanna say. We wanna see something new, and WWE is not breaking the rules on Reigns. I hope he gets better on the mic but I don't see it as a problem now. If he doesn't look ready at the Rumble, let Bryan win or Ambrose. But right now, we have plenty of time to be surprised :P

So as somebody who doesn't really like the guy, surprise me Roman Reigns. Make me believe you're the next World Champ.
 

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