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So Ben took a shithole of a team in 2004 to the AFC division championship. The Steelers i believe were 6-10 in 2003. Yeha 6-10. Basically kept the same team for the 04 season, but they go 15-1. Ben won 13 games that years.

Ben went to a team with a falling franchise and succeeded. Palmer and his team have been on a downfall ever since.

So to say Ben is a systematic Quarterback is ridiculous. They're a running team, but i guess Terry Bradshaw was a systems quartetback.

Yes Ben's team did suck the year before, but he went to a team with a great defense, good O-Line and great running game. He was not asked to do really anything, all they asked him to do is not mess up the 15 times he threw the ball a game. Ben is a very good quarterback, but if you put anyone of the guys in that I have listed above him in that situation, they would succeed too. I'm not even going to respond to the Bradshaw thing, comparing Big Ben to Bradshaw is rediculous.

Ben was sacked 48 times lasts yr, second in the league behind Kitna, but Ben was still capable of posting 10 wins, while being chased around, and put on his ass every other play.

As I said up until last year his offensive line was one of the best in the league. When won his Super Bowl, he had a great offensive line. Yes he was sacked alot last year, but that is because they became a throwing team last year, which is why his numbers were better. He is very talented, but his success was due to the Steelers defense, if Big Ben was playing with the Bengles defense last year, he would not have wonmany games either.
 
You dont get sacked much when the defense drops everyone back in coverage to stop your passing game. Is this seriously an argument? I mean ask anybody who knows what they are talking about, any expert, they will tell you that the Steelers had a great offensive line up until last year, hence why they conidered giving there O-Line coach the head coach gig. Sacks doesn't always tell you who has the best O-Line a teams running game does, the running game and D-Fense is why Big Ben has a Super Bowl ring, not to mention horrible officiating.
 
Yes Ben's team did suck the year before, but he went to a team with a great defense, good O-Line and great running game. He was not asked to do really anything, all they asked him to do is not mess up the 15 times he threw the ball a game. Ben is a very good quarterback, but if you put anyone of the guys in that I have listed above him in that situation, they would succeed too. I'm not even going to respond to the Bradshaw thing, comparing Big Ben to Bradshaw is rediculous.
didnt compare but you called Ben a systems QB when Bradshaw played in the same system. Solid offensive, good defense. So apparently the same should be said for Terry Bradshaw.

Ben upped his play in all of his playoff games except the SB.



id up until last year his offensive line was one of the best in the league. When won his Super Bowl, he had a great offensive line. Yes he was sacked alot last year, but that is because they became a throwing team last year, which is why his numbers were better. He is very talented, but his success was due to the Steelers defense, if Big Ben was playing with the Bengles defense last year, he would not have wonmany games either.

I posted sack statistics, and the previous yrs Ben wasnt much of a thrower. Find me a guy who has a resume like Ben in 4 short yrs?
 
You dont get sacked much when the defense drops everyone back in coverage to stop your passing game. Is this seriously an argument? I mean ask anybody who knows what they are talking about, any expert, they will tell you that the Steelers had a great offensive line up until last year, hence why they conidered giving there O-Line coach the head coach gig. Sacks doesn't always tell you who has the best O-Line a teams running game does, the running game and D-Fense is why Big Ben has a Super Bowl ring, not to mention horrible officiating.


you were using sacks as an argument, and sacks are the play of the offensive line, so yes its an argument.

The Steelers had a mediocre offensive line the last several years. and the only reason why there line was decent was because the coaching of Russ Grimm.

So Bens play in the 2005 playoffs had nothing to do with Ben and the steelers success in 2005? Especially his play against the Bronco's.

His game saving tackle against the Colts.

here goes the comeback against the Bengals, and his 275 yds thrown in 2005 against the Bronco's.

Not talking about the crappy play the had that yr when Ben wasnt in the game. the only reason why they were a six seed was because been missed 4 games.

They won 6 straight games, all with Ben as their Quarterback. plus 3 playoff games, and a SB.

BTW, explain the increase of win percentage when Ben is starting?
 
The increase in winning percentage, well lets see, look at the quarterbacks before him, Tommy Maddox? Kordell Stewart? Its not hard to do better than those guys. I am not saying Ben isn't any good, I had him ranked as my 5th best QB, I just dont think he is better than 4 other guys. Other guys with that resume, well hell, Eli has as many superbowls as Big Ben does, should he be in the top 5? No!

His tackle against the Colts is irrelevent if the Colts player would have ran around him, it would have been over, its not hard to tackle a guy when they run right at you. Not too mention it has nothing to do with playing QB.

Everybody knows that during the Steelers QB run, Big Ben was not the most important part of that team. He wasn't the reason they won, it was there outstanding running game and great D-Fense.

So there offensive line played good because of Russ Grimm, well there you go, they played pretty good, especially run blocking which is what won them the super bowl.

You can't just go and compare the team's success of two guys, its not that easy because there is more than just offense in the game of football. You can the best QB in the leauge, but if your team lets the other team score every damn possession, then you aren't going to win many games. Perfect example, Browns vs. Bengles last year, Carson had one of the best games of any QB last season, what happens his team loses 51-45.

It takes a good offense and a good Defense to win, its not Carson Palmers fault the Bengles dont have a good defense.
 
I am not saying Big Ben is not a good QB, just let that be known. What I am saying is there are four QB's in the league better than him, that is all, he is very talented, there are just four better than him.
 
So, the NFL Draft is just a little over two weeks away, any comments on who you want your favorite team to select?

For me, the Broncos are sitting at number 12 and they have been talking about trading out of that spot. I think it is because they want to take an O-linemen and this draft is full of them. Ryan Clady would be my ideal pick at 12, but I wouldn't mind if they traded down and took a WR, the bottom half of the 1st round is loaded with them and they need somebody to replace Walker, Mario Manningham is the guy I want them to take if they trade down.

Anybody else have comments on there favorite teams?
 
Simple. We need secondary help, we could use it at both first round picks, but I doubt that happens. If I had to choose, I'd go with Cason or Flowers at the cornerback position, or take Felix Jones with the first pick. Second is easy if Kenny Phillips is still on the board. 2nd round, O Line. 3rd, WR and the rest doesn't matter yet.
 
I am not saying Big Ben is not a good QB, just let that be known. What I am saying is there are four QB's in the league better than him, that is all, he is very talented, there are just four better than him.

After this season it wouldn't surprise me if he isn't even the 2nd best in his division. Anderson has got to be more consistent though.

Garrard has another season like last year again, I'll take him over Big Ben as well.
 
Oh please save me the stats... The only stat that matters in the League is wins... Lets see Carson Palmer 2007-7 Steve McNair/Boller- 5 Big Ben- 10 Anderson- 10... Oh we went to the playoffs too... Please Big Ben is a better quarterback than Anderson on any day of the week and I'd take him over Romo no question. Why? cause he wins. Sorrry but I'm still not a believer in Anderson... I would be like the rest of the league but a few years ago we had a quarterback named Tommy Maddox... One shot wonder? And I'll watch Ike Taylor shut T.O. down this season and laugh all the way home when The Steelers D shuts down an uninspired Cowboys team. Dont even try and step at The Burgh cause were nasty... Ha jk listen to me try and get tough over the internet...
 
Sorry I just cant stop on my rant seeing how Pittsburgh Sports are rarely brought up on this site and I actually play football so maybe I wont be as retarted when it comes to posting when I do about wrestling. Come on w/ that Romo is nowhere near the ballplayer that Ben is. Think about the opponents that are in the NFC. Compare that to the AFC. Getting 10+ wins in a season in the AFC is a feat. And Gerrard is another QB I'm not sold on and I really hope that Jacksonville didn't just blow their load (no pun intended) on him for a good season. I have to get off for a bit but please someone keep this up Im so down for an argument about this...
 
Another biased Pittsburgh fan. Seriously you people from Pennsylvania are some of the most biased peices of shit on the face of the earth. Quit worshiping everything you see on ESPN aka We Love Philly, Pitt, Boston and New York network.

How the fuck can Dallas help that it plays in the NFC? It can't. So that argument is out the window and plus in the past 3 seasons Dallas is 6-2 against the AFC. Take that, suck and choke on it.
 
Oh please save me the stats... The only stat that matters in the League is wins... Lets see Carson Palmer 2007-7 Steve McNair/Boller- 5 Big Ben- 10 Anderson- 10

No it doesn't. Wins play in a slight factor in who's the better player. Because the QB isn't the one that wins the game, it's a team sport. Idiots.

.. Oh we went to the playoffs too... Please Big Ben is a better quarterback than Anderson on any day of the week

Now. Of Course, I was merely stating that after this season is over, that might change.



and I'd take him over Romo no question. Why? cause he wins.

So does Romo. In fact, since Romo has been the starting QB. He's won more games and got our team to the playoffs twice :lmao:



Sorrry but I'm still not a believer in Anderson.

Your from Pittsburgh. Go figure.

And I'll watch Ike Taylor shut T.O. down this season and laugh all the way home when The Steelers D shuts down an uninspired Cowboys team.

Uninspired? :lmao:

Your Steelers D said they were going to shut down New England, that obviously didn't happen, and without our #2 WR, we were barely 2nd to them in almost every offensive category. Thank Romo first, everyone else second.

You'll be slaughtered if that game is in Sep/Oct.

Dont even try and step at The Burgh cause were nasty... Ha jk listen to me try and get tough over the internet...

Wow, I'm shaking in my cowboy boots. The Burgh is so tough, yeah really. One of the lowest crime rates for US cities. Tough alright ROFL.

Sorry I just cant stop on my rant seeing how Pittsburgh Sports are rarely brought up on this site and I actually play football so maybe I wont be as retarted when it comes to posting when I do about wrestling.

I played football as well, and I'm obviously alot smarter than you to know the fact that you can't judge a better player on a certain group of games.

Come on w/ that Romo is nowhere near the ballplayer that Ben is.

Because he's better.



Think about the opponents that are in the NFC. Compare that to the AFC.

Doesn't matter.

We won 13 games in the NFC last year, and are obviously the team to beat this season.

Cowboys > Steelers.

And Gerrard is another QB I'm not sold on

Once again. Your from Pittsburgh.

and LOL, people said this same shit about Romo last year, they weren't sold on him, but then he comes out, goes to another Pro Bowl, plays fantastic and yet you biased fucks still complain because he lost another playoff game.

You do realize this is a team sport? Right? You said you played football. Did you play QB? Were you the only one that mattered? Were you the difference in a win or loss completely ignoring your offensive line, special teams, and WR's weren't playing up to they're potential?

Were you the difference in a team's defense that is notorious for blowing games inside the 2 minute mark for fumbling a FG attempt that in the end with that much time on the clock and a shaken defense would have likely not won the game anyways? Stop it and shut up with that bullshit or explain to me why Romo is the ONLY reason why we lost those 2 games. It doesn't matter anyways though, like I said, you can't base how good a QB is/isn't on 2 games.
 
Finchy, every point you just made I have pretty much already countered in the previous pages, so you should read it. A win/loss record for one year doesn't tell you shit, Eli Manning won the superbowl last year, is he the best quarterback in the league because he had the most success? Hell Trent Dilfer led the Bengles to a Super Bowl, is he one of the all-time greats? The answer in NO! THERE IS A THING CALLED DEFENSE on football teams you know, and the Steelers have one of the best defenses in the league, that is why the steelers won more games than the Bengles, not because the Big Ben is better than Palmer.
 
I was so hoping that my grandfather knew about slavery, his great grand parents were slaves, His mother grandparents. Sadly his mother never talked to him about it, so other than my part of my family were slaves I won't know anything beyond that. I kinda wish I knew about this while my great grandmother was still alive, she stayed around into my 20's. Nice old woman she was.
 
Yeah, I forgot to mention there running game that time.....Hell I already went throught the argument once, I know I mentioned it then, was trying to wrap this one up quick, could have ripped his "argument" appart, but seemed like you did a good job, no need for me to repeat what you had already said.:icon_smile:
 
After this season it wouldn't surprise me if he isn't even the 2nd best in his division. Anderson has got to be more consistent though.

Garrard has another season like last year again, I'll take him over Big Ben as well.

Come on Wes, seriously? You would take Anderson or Garrard over Big Ben? Is that a joke?

Garrard had a very efficient year, but didn't do in the whole throwing TD's thing. Anderson had a good year, but it's still WAY too early to be taking him over Ben, because Ben is established as a good QB. Anderson isn't. One year wonders come by every year.

Another biased Pittsburgh fan. Seriously you people from Pennsylvania are some of the most biased peices of shit on the face of the earth. Quit worshiping everything you see on ESPN aka We Love Philly, Pitt, Boston and New York network.

Why the fuck is it that everyone thinks ESPN is biased? How the FUCK is ESPN biased towards those cities? At all? Even slightly? Please explain this to me, considering ESPN spends almost ZERO time on the Red Sox daily. The defending world champions. The Tigers have gotten more attention.

ESPN is not biased, and all this horseshit about how they are is fucking ridiculious and has absolutely no factual basis whatsoever. I'm sick of people hating on ESPN---please tell me where there is another national network completely dedicated to sports that does such a thorough and entertaining job as they do. You can't.

Phew. Had to get that off my chest.
 
Come on Wes, seriously? You would take Anderson or Garrard over Big Ben? Is that a joke?

Garrard had a very efficient year, but didn't do in the whole throwing TD's thing. Anderson had a good year, but it's still WAY too early to be taking him over Ben, because Ben is established as a good QB. Anderson isn't. One year wonders come by every year.

Yep. Garrard had one good year that wasn't all that great depending he had a great dual pronged running game and a good defense. Garrard didn't throw the ball much and if he had to throw it 35 plus times a game I doubt he do so well.



Why the fuck is it that everyone thinks ESPN is biased? How the FUCK is ESPN biased towards those cities? At all? Even slightly? Please explain this to me, considering ESPN spends almost ZERO time on the Red Sox daily. The defending world champions. The Tigers have gotten more attention.

ESPN is not biased, and all this horseshit about how they are is fucking ridiculious and has absolutely no factual basis whatsoever. I'm sick of people hating on ESPN---please tell me where there is another national network completely dedicated to sports that does such a thorough and entertaining job as they do. You can't.

Phew. Had to get that off my chest.


It is BS, ESPN spends more time on the Yankees than the any Boston team...Shit, with the way they covered the super bowl you be shocked the Patroits were even in it.
 

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