The now likelihood that Seth Rollins will cash in at Wrestlemania

[Quinn30Colo]

So I had a little too much time on my hands reading the rumor mills of Brock Lesnar's will he or won't he re-sign with WWE past Mania, is Vince and creative starting to get cold feet with the reaction of Reigns, and have to give mention to Mark Madden's latest piece on WrestleZone. I actually thought his piece was relatively poor this time around. Lesnar doesn't need to turn face cause he's not a heel. His idea of battling the authority though is a good one, (although Heyman stays put, Lesnar without Paul is downright dumb)

With Reigns not getting over with fans and the Lesnar contract still in the air, how likely are we going to see for our WrestleMania moment, the first ever Cash In at WrestleMania? You can protect Reigns from losing to Lesnar, you can get the belt of Lesnar, give Reigns the feud with Rollins he never got after the Shield breakup Post Mania if Brock doesn't re-sign, and if Brock does, well Paul & Brock vs The Authority. Gives Brock his reduced schedule. We as fans get shocked and want to see Monday is it Brock coming out or Reigns. It's been a long time since we had a non-clean finish to a Mania Main Event that had a title change hands. This could be the ultimate solution for WWE at Mania. Thoughts?

 

[Mustang Sally]

A lot of people on this forum (including myself) have suggested the possibility that Brock will retain the world title......if he signs a new contract.

The thing is, unless there's a work in progress, WWE management still doesn't know if he's coming back or not, and they can't make future plans for the whole organization based solely on what Brock is going to do.

So, I say he loses the title whether he's staying or not.....either by Roman Reigns beating him or Seth Rollins cashing in on Brock.

Of course, if Reigns wins the belt, you would think they'd want to give him some sort of a run, rather than having him lose the championship 45 seconds after he wins it. But it might not work out that way, especially if the company has soured on Reigns as a main event performer.

Plus, due to Brock's continual absence, Seth has had no opportunities to cash in the damn briefcase.

Now that he'll have a chance to do it........and time is growing short until his MITB privilege runs out......it happens at WM31.

Then again, I wouldn't mind if Rollins cashes in and fails to win the belt.....against either Brock or Roman.

 

[Dave]

Yeah, absolutely, Brock retains the Championship if he resigns with the WWE; there is absolutely no doubt about it. The fact of the matter is that the WWE are ready to pull the plug on Roman Reigns and probably don't have a lot of faith in him to be a considerably good Champion. They have tried everything with him and he just isn't getting over. It's not really anyone's fault He just doesn't have it. And at this point, I don't think anyone sees him as the ideal Heavyweight Champion. Realistically, Seth Rollins or Brock Lesnar looks like better choices.

So, with that in mind, we definitely could see a cash in at WrestleMania. I would like to see that happen. People would, honestly, lose their minds if Roman won the Championship and then had it snatched away by Rollins. But like I said, it all comes down to whether Lesnar signs with the WWE. He is the choice of Champion for Vince and that is only going to change if he doesn't sign.

 

[zhaff2004]

The thing with this is that should Lesnar re-sign, what do you do with Rollins? Rollins will have to either let his money in the bank expire or he'd have to fail a cash in. The only thing I can see happening is that he defends his MITB briefcase at the MITB PPV. If Lesnar re-signs then you almost have to have him hold the strap through til Mania 32 at least to snap Punk's record.

 

[Aeon Mathix]

If they are close to pulling the plug on Reigns it is a shame but probably what is best for all involved. Give Reigns another year or so to build up more and win the title down the line. A lost to the Beast isn't going to hinder him it will only make him come back stronger. They can always go with the RUMORED plan B of Dean Ambrose as a backup to Reigns. I would love to see it personally. Seth could win the title and Ambrose could give up his Intercontinental Title if he wins it for a chance at the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Would reignite a rivalry and maybe give a much better blow off to the feud while also seeing how well Ambrose can do in that spot.

That being said, I don't think Rollins should cash in and win the title at Wrestlemania. Wrestlemania generally has a good feel moment to close the show, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. Especially if Lesnar vs Reigns isn't the main event and they can just have Sting go over Triple H to end the show. Either way, Brock or Seth walking out with the title would probably be a better decision than putting the strap on Reigns. At least at this point in time.

This being said, we can all complain however much we want that Reigns isn't ready or shouldn't be in this spot, but the fact of the matter is WWE is trying with a new star and we can't fault them at all for that. Well maybe some better booking but beside the point. People have complained for years that is the same guys day in and day out and now WWE is getting new stars into top spots and for that I comend them on at least trying. If Reigns is a soon to be flop then it's just another one that didn't work out. It's happened since the dawn of time in wrestling and it will happen again many times.

 

[That N Word]

In all honesty, I think it will be teased but WONT happen. I have said this plenty of times and think it will happen. It only makes sense after Seth's comments on Brock after RR and so forth about how he is the only man who is capable of taking the title off Brock and how he can beat Brock. Do you think Brock would help someone like that. Mainly, under Heyman's direction. It would seem as if Heyman doesn't believe in Brock anymore. It also makes sense from the standpoint of Brock and Roman'ss face-to-face. In that they were both pretty much babyface and Roman told Brock "he will respect him after WrestleMania." I see Roman taking the fight to Brock and win or lose, Brock will turn face and raise his hand and tell him he earned his respect. I believe mid-match Roman is dominating and a disappointed Heyman walks to the back. Roman wins and Heyman comes back out and we hear "Ladies and Gentleman...my client....SETH ROLLINS will get the job done." He will ask Brock to lay out Rollins but instead Rollins F-5's Seth saying "he said he wasn't having the Montreal Screwjob not or him or Roman." He tells Roman he has earned his respect before shaking his hand and raising it up saying he earned his respect and walking away so Reigns can celebrate. Brock would then throw Heyman in the ring to get speared as Roman and Brock would smile at each other and a emotional Reigns celebrate in the ring with the title.

 

[Just Do It]

In the run up to this Mania he is being built up stronger than Roman. He is opening and closing the Raw's. So it's entirely possible. Heyman turning heel (heeler?) and aligning himself with the future of the WWE is a possibility also. Could be interesting. But I hope this isn't a case of fans expectations being too high (myself included).

 

[RedRegan1005]

Ever sense the announcement of his resigning, the talk of a Lesnar turn and how it would affect the likes of Heyman and Reigns have run rampant. I mentioned in another thread that Roman turning would be too predictable, sense we've seen WWE turn so many young baby faces when they stumble. I think if they turn Reigns its them basically saying they were wrong, and he's not ready. And while there is nothing wrong if that's how they feel, it also could hurt the fans perception of Roman Reigns. Either way I figured I would go ahead and throw out my brain child for how the Main Event this Sunday should play out......WrestleMania 31 should end with Seth Rollins cashing in on the grandest stage of them all to become the new WWE Champion. I have been rooting for this ever sense Rollins dropped Lesnar with a curb stomp back at Night of Champions and attempted to cash in his briefcase. The way I thought the cash should go down has changed around, but this way is my final opinion on it.

The way I see it would be Lesnar retains in a good back and forward match. Heyman looks just shocked. Reigns and Lesnar eventually meet center ring again and show some mutual respect with a hand shake and Reigns leaves the ring. Confetti begins to fall, and then BOOM! Heyman hits his top client with low blow, then rips the belt away from him and blasts him with it once he gets back to his feet. CUE Rollins music. Seth Rollins hits the confetti covered ring and hands the briefcase over to the ref. Heyman goes to ringside, brings a chair into the ring, and drops it on the mat in front of a floored Lesnar. The Rest is simple. Curb Stomp, 1-2-3, New Champ. The scenario plays out perfectly for me. Lesnar chose to stay in WWE for his family, and turned down what Lesnar said was "10 times" what UFC used to pay him. There's Heyman story line motive. Lesnar was selfish and just thought about "himself", As the advocate for Brock Lesnar, if Heymans client makes more money, than Heyman makes more money. Paul can say everything he and Lesnar did sense returning to WWE was for that next big payday and he screwed it up! Heck I even noticed when Brock was on sports center he mentioned all the people he talked to about making his decision and never mention Heyman. I would fall over if WWE had the presence of mind to incorporate even those smaller details but it would play perfectly. Finally Heyman can say he didn't think he could beat Roman but either way he was ready to leave Lesnar behind for the future of the WWE, the same man who had the balls to try and take the belt off Brock only one month after he decimated John Cena, and the same man who created the shield, destroyed it, and has become the first to reach the top of the mountain.

This ending covers a lot of ground. It turns Lesnar, keeps Reigns face, and propels Seth Rollins to the top of the WWE. It seems like a perfect storm that contains the tension of the Authorities Golden Boy, Seth Rollins going after Lesnar, and the still somewhat unfinished business between Seth Rollins who stab his Shield brethren in the back, and snaked his way up the later.

I apologize if I got a tad lengthy or carried away. I tend to get swept up into my own fantasy booking nonsense. That said, the question is simple: Can a Seth Rollins cash in happen this Sunday, and can it work? Why or Why not, and how?

 

[laodaron]

So, this is my issue with anyone becoming the WWEWHC at this point...what happens to Lesnar's relevance once he's no longer the champ?

And I mean that in the way that the only reason that he can be gone for 4 straight months and we don't even mention him and then he can show up and be in the main event is because he's the champ. If he's not the champ, who does he face at say, Night of Champions? If Reigns isn't the champ, does he wait until Summerslam to start a program with Brock?

No, the truth is that at this point, it's just not realistic to take the belt off of Brock. Rollins will just have to cash in on the Us Title or the IC title and start a feud that way.

 

[Mac]

Seth should cash in, so this way Brock goes back to being a special attraction. Because with his current scheduling he cannot be a champion. Let Reigns chase the title until next year where he finally wins the belt. This would allow the fans to get emotionally invested in him and wanting to see him finally win the belt.

 

[TheICChampion]

No, the truth is that at this point, it's just not realistic to take the belt off of Brock. Rollins will just have to cash in on the Us Title or the IC title and start a feud that way.

OK, except for one problem. The MITB briefcase is only for the WWE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. So this means it looks like, if Lesnar retains, Rollins will be the first ever to have his contract expire. I'm sorry, but that's not right. The guy has done everything right since he split from the Shield, and out of all 3 guys he's the one that's most deserving to be WWE champion, imo. Sure, I want Reigns to win it too, but I will be fine with a Rollins cash-in as long as it means we actually get to see the title on TV and being defended. Until the US and IC belts are returned to prominence, I don't want them to continue this trend of only letting us even SEE the WWE title once or twice every 6 months. Plus, how nonsensical would that be, for them to hype up Rollins cashing in to be WWE champion only to turn around and say "Oh, well, you can challenge for the IC/US title if you want to." and Rollins to go "Oh, sure, that's a good idea. I'll do that instead."? Come on, no one would buy that. As far as the OP's scenario, I really like that idea and I'm all for it.

 

[laodaron]

OK, except for one problem. The MITB briefcase is only for the WWE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. So this means it looks like, if Lesnar retains, Rollins will be the first ever to have his contract expire. I'm sorry, but that's not right. The guy has done everything right since he split from the Shield, and out of all 3 guys he's the one that's most deserving to be WWE champion, imo. Sure, I want Reigns to win it too, but I will be fine with a Rollins cash-in as long as it means we actually get to see the title on TV and being defended. Until the US and IC belts are returned to prominence, I don't want them to continue this trend of only letting us even SEE the WWE title once or twice every 6 months. Plus, how nonsensical would that be, for them to hype up Rollins cashing in to be WWE champion only to turn around and say "Oh, well, you can challenge for the IC/US title if you want to." and Rollins to go "Oh, sure, that's a good idea. I'll do that instead."? Come on, no one would buy that. As far as the OP's scenario, I really like that idea and I'm all for it.

Don't get me wrong, I WANT Rollins to run with the WWEWHC. He's completely ready for it. I just don't know how the can make the $3mil a year part timer relevant without the belt. They've booked themselves into the corner by not having him cash it before now, or not having a better plan.

 

[Navi]

OK, except for one problem. The MITB briefcase is only for the WWE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. So this means it looks like, if Lesnar retains, Rollins will be the first ever to have his contract expire. I'm sorry, but that's not right. The guy has done everything right since he split from the Shield, and out of all 3 guys he's the one that's most deserving to be WWE champion, imo. Sure, I want Reigns to win it too, but I will be fine with a Rollins cash-in as long as it means we actually get to see the title on TV and being defended. Until the US and IC belts are returned to prominence, I don't want them to continue this trend of only letting us even SEE the WWE title once or twice every 6 months. Plus, how nonsensical would that be, for them to hype up Rollins cashing in to be WWE champion only to turn around and say "Oh, well, you can challenge for the IC/US title if you want to." and Rollins to go "Oh, sure, that's a good idea. I'll do that instead."? Come on, no one would buy that. As far as the OP's scenario, I really like that idea and I'm all for it.

Totally agree. The Authority has been hyping Rollins as the future of the WWE for months now, so why would he cash in for a lesser title just to keep the WWE title on Lesnar or Reigns. It makes no sense whatsoever, and totally takes away from the MITB concept.

For years now the winner of the MITB has cashed in for the WWE or WHC title, have any ever cashed in for the IC or US title? I don't remember it happening, it's not even worth it to win the briefcase then. This bending over backwards to keep one wrestler happy while screwing over the rest of the roster has to come to an end, and now.

We've watched Lesnar win the title and defend it twice in 7 months. He needs to drop it to either Reigns or Rollins at Mania and start to remove the bottleneck of main event talent. Reigns has been in a nowhere feud with Big Show because the champion he's facing on Sunday hasn't been around for him to feud with. And then we wonder why the build to the match is horrible.

Fans want new stars, how do you create them when they are treated like Reigns has been in the last few months. Horrible booking, no build to the match, and now you have the new face of the WWE walking into the main event at Wrestlemania, and he will be shit all over. Not the way to create a new star.

If Reigns doesn't win or Rollins doesn't cash in, then most likely the contract he's holding will expire. What a waste of building him up to be the top heel for a year.

 

[TheICChampion]

Don't get me wrong, I WANT Rollins to run with the WWEWHC. He's completely ready for it. I just don't know how the can make the $3mil a year part timer relevant without the belt. They've booked themselves into the corner by not having him cash it before now, or not having a better plan.

Gotta agree with you there, but really, why not just have a cash in and when Lesnar's ready to work more dates THEN have him win the WWE title back. I don't mind Lesnar being champ I just don't like WWE having their top title disappear for months on end.

 

[shafe_41]

Not a chance. Rollins might TRY to cash in at the end of Mania but I believe something will prevent it. Whether that be The Rock, Sting, something else random...it won't happen. There's really no point in taking the title off Lesnar and giving it to another heel. It also immediately cheapens Lesnar going over Taker last year and the stock built up in that. There's also no point in taking the title from a heel, and giving it to another heel. This would work if a guy like Bryan beat Lesnar and then Rollins cashed in. It gives him even more heat and an angle to run with. People would get behind Bryan in that case. Nobody is going to get behind Reigns that way.

The only way Rollins walks out with the title is if somehow Lesnar is turned into a face which isn't impossible. Reigns could walk the heel/face line and eventually turn heel but stay face long enough to get him through a program with Rollins. Lesnar would almost have to turn face because what believeable feud is left for him other than Bryan? The Rock is about it and that won't be a long term feud. It'll be a match for next year. But Lesnar likely wouldn't be a face in this situation nor would Rock be a heel.

There needs to be something else big happening for Rollins to walk out with the title. A catalyst of some kind will need to take place for Lesnar to no longer be focused on regaining the title or a rematch with Reigns should he become champion.

 

[mkw1962]

I think if Seth does not cash in on Sunday he might lose his opportunity. Brock signed his new contract and I do not see him losing the title anytime soon who else can he feud with. The Authority has been pushing Seth and saying he is the future but now with Brock resigning WWE has painted themselves into a corner, I would say Seth needs to cash in on Sunday.

 

[L@RISANO]

So, this is my issue with anyone becoming the WWEWHC at this point...what happens to Lesnar's relevance once he's no longer the champ?

And I mean that in the way that the only reason that he can be gone for 4 straight months and we don't even mention him and then he can show up and be in the main event is because he's the champ. If he's not the champ, who does he face at say, Night of Champions? If Reigns isn't the champ, does he wait until Summerslam to start a program with Brock?

No, the truth is that at this point, it's just not realistic to take the belt off of Brock. Rollins will just have to cash in on the Us Title or the IC title and start a feud that way.

Perhaps with Brock out for long periods, Rollins can be given an 'extension' by way of the Authority just because... and then some babyfaces could be put into a position to get it off of him somehow at different points... just throwing it out there...

 

[L@RISANO]

With many on here and elsewhere continuing the Brock should lose the title because of his lack of dates...
I do wonder... what if Brock is turned babyface soon as rumoured, but eventually the fans get sick of him holding the World title hostage and maybe just maybe, WWE get a second chance at doing a "WWE vs Brock Lesnar" storyline sometime down the road after he has been holding the title almost forever...

 

[Navi]

Perhaps with Brock out for long periods, Rollins can be given an 'extension' by way of the Authority just because... and then some babyfaces could be put into a position to get it off of him somehow at different points... just throwing it out there...

I see what you're saying with him being the Golden Boy and all, but the MITB PPV is in June or July So how would they give him an extension? You can't have two MITB suitcases floating around. Or can you?

 

[Dagger Dias]

Seth needs to cash in at Wrestlemania this sunday. It's the best option WWE currently has and it should happen for multiple reasons. First of all, Money In The Bank has been around for a decade yet we have NEVER seen a cash-in at the biggest show of the year. This year is the perfect opportunity to change that. Sure the opportunistic cash-in has been done by Edge, CM Punk, Miz, Del Rio, etc.... but it would fit with Seth's character to sneak in a cash-in attempt after Reigns and Lesnar have destroyed each other in the main event. Now we have a new champion and finally again have someone who will defend the belt monthly. Problem solved.

The other reason may actually be the more important one though. Seth Rollins has one calendar year from the moment he won the briefcase to cash it in. No big deal right? Wrong. If Lesnar retains at Wrestlemania then we might not see him again until Summerslam. Seth's timeframe he must cash in by would run out one month before that. If he doesn't cash in at Wrestlemania, it might be his final opportunity to do so, as strange as that may seem. Wrestlemania 31 closes in a moment that will go down in history as Seth Rollins arrogantly holds up his belt as the new World Heavyweight Champion. That's my prediction.

 

[L@RISANO]

I see what you're saying with him being the Golden Boy and all, but the MITB PPV is in June or July So how would they give him an extension? You can't have two MITB suitcases floating around. Or can you?

It's the "Authority".
Take for instance, Sting vs HHH... Sting said in his promo that it isn't about WCW, but Steph came out and said it is!... and WCW vs WWE practically remains sort of the narrative.

Anyways... it isn't hard to do it. IF the Authority want to have Seth keep hold of the briefcase just because... he will keep it because that's what the Authority thinks is "Best for Business"...

 

[L@RISANO]

Seth needs to cash in at Wrestlemania this sunday. It's the best option WWE currently has and it should happen for multiple reasons. First of all, Money In The Bank has been around for a decade yet we have NEVER seen a cash-in at the biggest show of the year. This year is the perfect opportunity to change that. Sure the opportunistic cash-in has been done by Edge, CM Punk, Miz, Del Rio, etc.... but it would fit with Seth's character to sneak in a cash-in attempt after Reigns and Lesnar have destroyed each other in the main event. Now we have a new champion and finally again have someone who will defend the belt monthly. Problem solved.

The other reason may actually be the more important one though. Seth Rollins has one calendar year from the moment he won the briefcase to cash it in. No big deal right? Wrong. If Lesnar retains at Wrestlemania then we might not see him again until Summerslam. Seth's timeframe he must cash in by would run out one month before that. If he doesn't cash in at Wrestlemania, it might be his final opportunity to do so, as strange as that may seem. Wrestlemania 31 closes in a moment that will go down in history as Seth Rollins arrogantly holds up his belt as the new World Heavyweight Champion. That's my prediction.

As I have said in my other post... given that Seth Rollins is the Authority's Golden Child... it wouldn't be a surprise if Triple H and Stephanie(assuming they are still in power for a long while after Mania) decide that Seth can keep the Briefcase just because they are the Authority and they believe it is "Best for Business".
Just think Brock and Bryan with the WWE WHC... the latter was stripped due to the 30-day rule, whilst the former hasn't had to worry about that whatsoever. Reason: One is a Heel, One is a Babyface.




Honestly, at this point, given how things have gone with the build, etc... I wouldn't mind seeing Seth cash-in on a now Babyface Brock Lesnar to take the title... which would give Brock a story for whenever he returns.
By the same token, however, with Brock in it for a couple of years due to resigning, him keeping the title does seem the overall best option whilst the others build up even more(i.e. Reigns, Ambrose, Rollins, Wyatt, Rusev, etc.).

 

[Mustang Sally]

... it wouldn't be a surprise if Triple H and Stephanie(assuming they are still in power for a long while after Mania) decide that Seth can keep the Briefcase just because they are the Authority and they believe it is "Best for Business".

Yes, and the "Authority gumming up the works with their unfair declarations" has just about run it's course, hasn't it? It's the same old soup warmed over, but it seems that's about the only way Brock can retain the title and have the MITB time period expire before a champion is available again to cash in on.......except for one: Seth cashes in on whomever wins the title match at WM31....and fails.

I like the idea. First, we don't see the cash-in attempt expire simply because we have a part-time champion......the guy who holds the world title belt at the end of the match surely will have worked like a fiend to win the match and it would be tough to see him lose it to a fresh, rested wrestler who happens to be holding a stupid briefcase (which is the fundamental unfairness of the MITB concept)........and finally, it would be fun to watch Seth Rollins go bullshit after he loses the cash-in attempt.

 

[L@RISANO]

Yes, and the "Authority gumming up the works with their unfair declarations" has just about run it's course, hasn't it? It's the same old soup warmed over, but it seems that's about the only way Brock can retain the title and have the MITB time period expire before a champion is available again to cash in on.......except for one: Seth cashes in on whomever wins the title match at WM31....and fails.

I like the idea. First, we don't see the cash-in attempt expire simply because we have a part-time champion......the guy who holds the world title belt at the end of the match surely will have worked like a fiend to win the match and it would be tough to see him lose it to a fresh, rested wrestler who happens to be holding a stupid briefcase (which is the fundamental unfairness of the MITB concept)........and finally, it would be fun to watch Seth Rollins go bullshit after he loses the cash-in attempt.

Going through all the Singles Matches at Mania... One thing I have observed is that within the past week or so especially... it seems that bar Sting vs HHH(you never know...), all the others are "touch and go" in terms of who comes out the winner.

Brock vs Roman - Who will win the match itself? Will Rollins do a cash-in? Will Rollins' cash-in be successful? Will Roman turn heel? Will Heyman turn on Lesnar? Who will end Mania as Champion?

Taker vs Wyatt - Who will win the match? Is it wise to have Taker lose 2 in a row? Can Wyatt withstand another loss? Is Taker in good shape or not? Is Sting vs Taker on the 'horizon'?

Cena vs Rusev - Who wins the US title? Will Rusev's momentum come to a halt with a first loss? Is there a Lana turn to be done? Is it better for the US title if Cena holds it? Will Vince even be willing to 'job' out Cena again?

Orton vs Rollins - Who will win this one? Will this be a 'warm up' for another match going forward? Will Orton want a win after losing to Rollins before his absence? Can Rollins do the job alone?


I haven't asked all the possible questions, but it is clear that when you look beyond the admittedly underwhelming build for WrestleMania... it does seem "touch and go" in terms of the results of individual matches, and that can only be a good thing for someone who watches the event with an open mind and lets it play out without pouting because the booking didn't go how the viewer wanted it to.




Oh, and about the IC title match... I think that will be between Ambrose, Bryan and Barrett. Dolph Ziggler will be a contender, of course, but given he has held the title mutliple times in the past year, I've overlooked him as a possible winner of the match. Then, there is Sheamus...

Cheers.

 

[Orangel123]

I was wondering, Seth can cash in for right until this years money in the bank right? Well, here's how i would book it (assuming Lesnar stays)

1) Have Lesnar beat Roman at Mania
2) Rollins could feud with Roman, mocking him how he lost his chance while he carries the briefcase
3) Lesnar could defend the title in this year's Money in the Bank PPV against basically any face (maybe Daniel Bryan?) as the main event.
4) Roman wins Money in the Bank this year
5) After a long, hard match, Lesnar retains. Then, at the last possible moment, Rollins cashes and wins.
6) While Seth celebrates, Brock goes ballistic and beats the crap out of Seth.
7) Roman comes trough the crowd and cashes his freshly won briefcase on Seth!

Never going to happen, but would be pretty cool hehe