The Mystery Investor Has Been Revealed!

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So they wrote a storyline based on the character he had in the WWE. What you're telling me is, "well, he's an investor - that's just the storyline they had written for him, so of course he's going to be similar." That's being disingenuous.

Look, I'll concede to an argument they didn't make. They brought him in with this gimmick because that's how that performer is known. Sure, if he came in with a samurai gimmick, it would have been weird, but it just seems to me like that he's being portrayed as the same exact character he was in the WWE, with slight alterations for legality purposes when they could have just came up with something different and realistic (you strawmanned your own argument with the samurai thing, that would have been stupid).

But what it looks like is that they took a low-midcarder (almost jobber) from the WWE and put him into a major position of power, right in the main event of TNA. What does that look like for the rest of the stars?

First I'll start with a thanks for the discussion on this matter. What I was saying is what very little we've seen of his character I think we should reserve judgement to see how it plays out (actually I may have never said that). Allegations of Strawman aside, He hasn't screamed ballin yet, we have no indication he's going to be the I'm better than you cocky heel supposed athlete he portrayed previously and for the better part of his WWE tenure. And even if he is and they have similarities I'm not going to be too upset. Ok MVP in WWE was rich, and this incarnation is apparently also wealthy but that is something that happens often when performers switch companies. Ted Dibiase was still a wealthy man when he went to WCW and that wasn't a bad thing perhaps how they booked him was but the familiarity of the character I don't believe was.

In terms of your last question how does his high profile position reflect on the rest of the roster? Simple it's pretty much what happens every time a former WWE guy comes in more often than not they get a pretty damn good position in the company. As AJ Styles said in a recent interview Spike gets on TNA hard about trying to acquire former WWE (supposed household names) stars when they can and they want them pushed ahead of the line. Again we should allow this to play out a little further and have his actual role more defined before saying he's taking away Main Event time from other TNA "Guys"

 

[Olan]

I think it is an odd choice. I like MVP as an in ring competitor but as been said before I am having trouble seeing him as the money man. I can see him working as the face or voice of the money man but as the man with enough money to be an investor I am having problems with.
But I hope MVP is given the chance and the TNA as a WWE reject brand doesn't keep him down

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Still in a "let's see where it goes" stage with this.

Was I excited to see MVP in TNA? No. Did I really care to see MVP in TNA? No. I was never a big MVP fan, when he was still in WWE, and I honestly don't understand the support for the guy. He's more entertaining as a cocky heel, but he's bland as all hell with the good guy role. Still, we have to wait and see how this plays out. I'm just hoping TNA won't go overboard with selling MVP's star power, or lack there of.

And I'm glad TNA just revealed the investor. Dixie and others didn't make some earth shattering promise for a shocking reveal that would change the landscape in professional wrestling forever. I can't handle anymore "They" and Tito Ortiz disappointments.

 

[New Hot Fed]

MVP is a solid talent but he's not someone that is special enough to bring something that TNA did not already have. Why use MVP when you could use The Pope, for example?

Here's the thing, MVP is a good aquisition but the problem with TNA - and it was the same when they started having the masked guys that would become the Aces & 8s - is that you don't hype something when you don't have the firepower to back it up. They came up with the concept of A/8 on the fly before having the horses to make it work. WCW hired Hall & Nash FIRST and then they came up with the nWo concept, no the other way around. TNA are like the Anti-WCW in that way in that most of the time WCW always delivered on exciting surprises. Hell they didn't have to hype it, cause there were new arrivals every week almost. And they always brought up the big guns. While TNA come up with these big ideas but ideas without talent goes nowhere. It might as well be air. Cause people are not gonna buy your stuff and you'll be seen as charlatans.

Again with this situation, they came up with this silly "investor" storyline and no talent could have possibly satisfied people and TNA is not the sort of company that's going to go all out to get a big fish so it was pointless to do that. They're not gonna outbid the WWE for John Cena. I guess if invasion there is, I could see The Wolves as new Age Hall and Nash cause while nobody knows them, they are very talented and can make an impact right away, not unlike what Desmond Wolfe did. In that line of thought, instead of having a former WWE mid-carder as their leader, if TNA couldn't have a big name, they should have hired Chris Hero and just go with three new faces. In my opinion the concept would have worked better. It's like when Ted Dibiase came up in the WWF, most WWF fans didn't know him but they pushed him hard and he was talented and "seasoned" enough that he made everything worked. The fact that he wasn't known worked to their advantage. If TNA had introduced Chris Hero as someone credible that could have done this, then it may have worked.

Furthermore, if they would have used Hero they could even have Hero say in the weeks that follows that he's not really an investor but he's a designate guy by a group of investors, he would be their active representative. This happens a lot in the real World anyway. Most of the time when there's a group of investors, they have to progect a united front and for that they hire somebody that's going to be the face of the group.

I think it would have worked better than hiring a guy that looks semi-rich like MVP trying to make us believe that he bought a portion of TNA with his money. lol Cause nobody has that much money to buy themselves power into TNA's decision-making.

Anyway i think the whole Investor concept was a mistep at this point in time. TNA should have let Dixie and Magnus and her gang dominate with the remaining face wrestlers trying to fight the regime. So that could have given Magnus plenty of opponants to feed him too. It make it sweeter afterwards when AJ comes back and break the machine down. You could have AJ being brought back by the mystery Investor during the summer and that would start the Investor storyline. Meanwhile The Wolves could have just showed up anyway and beat the Hell out of the Bromans, without revealing who they are and why they are here.

 

[Cereal Killer]

Here's the thing, MVP is a good aquisition but the problem with TNA - and it was the same when they started having the masked guys that would become the Aces & 8s - is that you don't hype something when you don't have the firepower to back it up. They came up with the concept of A/8 on the fly before having the horses to make it work. WCW hired Hall & Nash FIRST and then they came up with the nWo concept, no the other way around. TNA are like the Anti-WCW in that way in that most of the time WCW always delivered on exciting surprises. Hell they didn't have to hype it, cause there were new arrivals every week almost. And they always brought up the big guns.

The difference between TNA and WCW is that WCW was owned by Ted Turner. A multi-Billionaire. The man that owns CNN and Cartoon Network. There's a reason they could actually hire Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior and Randy Savage. The WWE was having some issues with steroid and sexual assault allegations so the stars needed an alternative promotion to go to. Not only was WCW an alternative, but it was a company with a lot of money in it.

Again with this situation, they came up with this silly "investor" storyline and no talent could have possibly satisfied people and TNA is not the sort of company that's going to go all out to get a big fish so it was pointless to do that. They're not gonna outbid the WWE for John Cena. I guess if invasion there is, I could see The Wolves as new Age Hall and Nash cause while nobody knows them, they are very talented and can make an impact right away, not unlike what Desmond Wolfe did. In that line of thought, instead of having a former WWE mid-carder as their leader, if TNA couldn't have a big name, they should have hired Chris Hero and just go with three new faces. In my opinion the concept would have worked better. It's like when Ted Dibiase came up in the WWF, most WWF fans didn't know him but they pushed him hard and he was talented and "seasoned" enough that he made everything worked. The fact that he wasn't known worked to their advantage. If TNA had introduced Chris Hero as someone credible that could have done this, then it may have worked.

So you don't like the investor story, and they should have just hired Hero instead? Ok...

Furthermore, if they would have used Hero they could even have Hero say in the weeks that follows that he's not really an investor but he's a designate guy by a group of investors, he would be their active representative. This happens a lot in the real World anyway. Most of the time when there's a group of investors, they have to progect a united front and for that they hire somebody that's going to be the face of the group.

Now you're saying that they should have brought Hero in as part of the investor story? Are you for it or against it? Actually, is it MVP you are against? A talented star who was on his way to the World Heavyweight Championship in WWE before requesting his release. Vince McMahon didn't want to release him, it was MVP's own decision. Chris Hero is the man who was released by WWE officials as he had a serious attitude problem and wasn't willing to adapt to their style of wrestling. What's wrong with MVP?

I think it would have worked better than hiring a guy that looks semi-rich like MVP trying to make us believe that he bought a portion of TNA with his money. lol Cause nobody has that much money to buy themselves power into TNA's decision-making.

MVP's character is a rich man. How does he look "semi-rich?" You spoke about the Pope being the investor before yet he also had a similar character. Actually, I think many would say MVP looks richer than the Pope did in his time in TNA.

Anyway i think the whole Investor concept was a mistep at this point in time. TNA should have let Dixie and Magnus and her gang dominate with the remaining face wrestlers trying to fight the regime. So that could have given Magnus plenty of opponants to feed him too. It make it sweeter afterwards when AJ comes back and break the machine down. You could have AJ being brought back by the mystery Investor during the summer and that would start the Investor storyline.

The idea was to have Styles return and save TNA from Dixieland. Because of financial issues he was released. Had Dixie and her "gang" faced off with the rest of the roster, it would have been stable wars for the 7th time or so in TNA. Why would Magnus be booked like a machine? He's a heel, a man that's supposed to take the easy way out. The word you're looking for is coward. This storyline wasn't even meant to happen, or to this extent at least. AJ Styles was meant to remain as the TNA World Heavyweight Champion. They know about fans growing tired of the Aces and Eights after Bound For Glory and the complaints about several stable wars. I doubt they would want to have another go at that story. The small alliance of Bobby Roode, Bad Influence, Bro-Mans, Zema Ion and EC3 aren't even booked as a stable because they're aware of the hatred they would get for doing so. The ratings have been on the rise and for a cover up storyline, they're doing pretty good. I've been entertained and so have many others here. Not only does MVP arrive as an authority figure but also a wrestler. How would you have liked someone like Russo showing up just to speak?

Meanwhile The Wolves could have just showed up anyway and beat the Hell out of the Bromans, without revealing who they are and why they are here.

Please explain to me why they would want to do that, or why anyone would want to do that. Why would new acquisitions arrive without a purpose? That's just absurd. This angle puts the former ROH World Champions in a good story to get them some early momentum in TNA, and it may lead to more hirings by MVP (kayfabe) who had already brought in The Wolves.

 

[New Hot Fed]

The difference between TNA and WCW is that WCW was owned by Ted Turner. A multi-Billionaire. The man that owns CNN and Cartoon Network. There's a reason they could actually hire Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior and Randy Savage. The WWE was having some issues with steroid and sexual assault allegations so the stars needed an alternative promotion to go to. Not only was WCW an alternative, but it was a company with a lot of money in it.

Well then don't hype stuff if you can't deliver. I happen to think Panda has much money than people think, they just don't want to go all out to get talent. Ted wanted to go to war with Vince. Bob Carter doesn't give a shit about wrestling.

So you don't like the investor story, and they should have just hired Hero instead? Ok...

Now you're saying that they should have brought Hero in as part of the investor story? Are you for it or against it? Actually, is it MVP you are against? A talented star who was on his way to the World Heavyweight Championship in WWE before requesting his release. Vince McMahon didn't want to release him, it was MVP's own decision. Chris Hero is the man who was released by WWE officials as he had a serious attitude problem and wasn't willing to adapt to their style of wrestling. What's wrong with MVP?

First why would a private company like TNA not know who an investor is? Did they play blind strip pocker during the night and lost?

Secondly, if they're gonna do this, alright let's go for it but what i'm saying is that at the end of his WWE run MVP to me came off like an eternal mid-carder. And again he's good talent but i've never been blown away by him.

All in all, it felt like TNA using WWE's trash and making a guy big because of it. It's TNA's little guy symptom.

As far as Chris Hero, for mainstream fans he's an unknown, he's fresher. You can pretty much picture him as anything. For example, it's 1987, the WWF wants a new Millionaire character. They pick a guy nobody knows for it in Ted Dibiase and it works perfectly. The audience would not have adopted the character as much if it would have been a guy the fans already known to them transformed into a Millionaire. Get it?

MVP's character is a rich man. How does he look "semi-rich?" You spoke about the Pope being the investor before yet he also had a similar character. Actually, I think many would say MVP looks richer than the Pope did in his time in TNA.

Never thought MVP as a rich character, I always thought he tried to be a sport athlete like a NFL guy.

But anyway, I said The Pope early on just cause TNA tends to make a bigger deals about new arrivals, instead of using the talent they have.

The idea was to have Styles return and save TNA from Dixieland. Because of financial issues he was released. Had Dixie and her "gang" faced off with the rest of the roster, it would have been stable wars for the 7th time or so in TNA. Why would Magnus be booked like a machine? He's a heel, a man that's supposed to take the easy way out. The word you're looking for is coward. This storyline wasn't even meant to happen, or to this extent at least. AJ Styles was meant to remain as the TNA World Heavyweight Champion. They know about fans growing tired of the Aces and Eights after Bound For Glory and the complaints about several stable wars. I doubt they would want to have another go at that story. The small alliance of Bobby Roode, Bad Influence, Bro-Mans, Zema Ion and EC3 aren't even booked as a stable because they're aware of the hatred they would get for doing so. The ratings have been on the rise and for a cover up storyline, they're doing pretty good. I've been entertained and so have many others here. Not only does MVP arrive as an authority figure but also a wrestler. How would you have liked someone like Russo showing up just to speak?

Actuall no, MVP and the Wolves showing up spell the beginning of a stable war, the very thing you said they should not do. And the roster is already striking back. And really for the start of Magnus' regime you said it yourself they have good ratings. Then would they need to change that? You've just entered the beginning of this new Dixieland adminstration and already there's a new faction going after them. It would have been far better to have let these guys rule the World and when AJ comes back, he kills them.

With MVP, the Wolves, plus wrestlers already there and maybe others joining them, TNA won't even need AJ Styles.

Also you talk like Magnus and Dixie and the regime was never a long-term thing? I don't buy that. I don't think AJ was meant to win the belt. I really think TNA wanted Magnus to take the next step and become a top heel. Even if AJ had stayed, he would not have had the belt right away. Seems to me like they wanted to build this up.

Please explain to me why they would want to do that, or why anyone would want to do that. Why would new acquisitions arrive without a purpose? That's just absurd. This angle puts the former ROH World Champions in a good story to get them some early momentum in TNA, and it may lead to more hirings by MVP (kayfabe) who had already brought in The Wolves.

Ever watched wrestling before? Hall and Nash attacked people left and right and people were not sure what they wanted. Same thing with Desmond Wolfe. And it was brilliant. Even with the Investor storyline, it would have been better or as good if The Wolves would have attacked without warning. It's very dramatic and that's how you send a message and create mystery in an angle. In fact most fans of the Wolves hoped this would happen this way. If the Wolves had attacked the Broman, who are part of Dixie's Regime people would have gotten what they want: strike at the regime and aim for the tag titles.

 

[Cereal Killer]

Well then don't hype stuff if you can't deliver.

It did deliver. There were generally positive reviews and the crowd cheered for him. They didn't even "hype" a star like John Cena. What were you expecting? Those that complained about this are probably the same people that complain about not getting the wrestlers advertised for an event, even though the ticket says "card subject to change."

I happen to think Panda has much money than people think, they just don't want to go all out to get talent. Ted wanted to go to war with Vince. Bob Carter doesn't give a shit about wrestling.

It's not your place to say about his interest in wrestling, but he didn't buy TNA for his own wrestling needs, but for the benefit of his own company. Ted Turner had money for WCW as well as his other companies. If Bob had the money, I'm sure he'll invest it into TNA to make more for himself. He is a businessman you know.

First why would a private company like TNA not know who an investor is? Did they play blind strip pocker during the night and lost?

This is professional wrestling, mate. If it were realistic, Ted Turner would have called the police on Hulk Hogan, Bully Ray would have been sentenced to prison for torturing Joseph Park and the WWE sure would have done something about the anonymous GM which was Hornswoggle.

All in all, it felt like TNA using WWE's trash and making a guy big because of it. It's TNA's little guy symptom.

He's not WWE's "trash." He's the one that requested his release. That would infer that Vince wanted to keep him and to possibly make him a main-eventer.

As far as Chris Hero, for mainstream fans he's an unknown, he's fresher. You can pretty much picture him as anything. For example, it's 1987, the WWF wants a new Millionaire character. They pick a guy nobody knows for it in Ted Dibiase and it works perfectly. The audience would not have adopted the character as much if it would have been a guy the fans already known to them transformed into a Millionaire. Get it?

Not really. Dibiase was known from the NWA territories which were actually more popular than the WWE until 1984 or 1985. Why would an unknown be hired? I don't understand a lot of what you said there.

Never thought MVP as a rich character, I always thought he tried to be a sport athlete like a NFL guy.

You referred to him as "semi-rich" and then said someone who actually looks rich should get hired. He looks rich.

But anyway, I said The Pope early on just cause TNA tends to make a bigger deals about new arrivals, instead of using the talent they have.

What's wrong with outsiders? You spoke about TNA using "WWE's trash", but The Pope is from the WWE. They just hired The Wolves, they're not from the WWE. I'm really not understanding you.

Actuall no, MVP and the Wolves showing up spell the beginning of a stable war, the very thing you said they should not do. And the roster is already striking back. And really for the start of Magnus' regime you said it yourself they have good ratings. Then would they need to change that? You've just entered the beginning of this new Dixieland adminstration and already there's a new faction going after them. It would have been far better to have let these guys rule the World and when AJ comes back, he kills them.

People are annoyed with several factions forming year after year. They shouldn't do it again. Also, which wrestlers striked back? There were a few fights but again, the two sides of the roster aren't named factions. EC3 looks as if he will turn face along with Bobby Roode. The others only show up once in a while. Then there are the faces, Kurt angle and Samoa Joe. Joe's going for the title and Angle's there for support. Tell me, who's going to have a stable war here?

Also you talk like Magnus and Dixie and the regime was never a long-term thing? I don't buy that. I don't think AJ was meant to win the belt. I really think TNA wanted Magnus to take the next step and become a top heel. Even if AJ had stayed, he would not have had the belt right away. Seems to me like they wanted to build this up.

God. Styles already had the belt, and when he decided to leave, they had to make Magnus the champion somehow. If he never had a match against Styles, he would have been seen as a paper champion legitimately. The fact that he beat him (even though he cheated) sets him up as a strong heel and it was out of nowhere. I do think Magnus was meant to win it, but Styles was meant to remain in TNA after the Mexican/Japanese tour as the other World Champion. So there were meant to be two champions at the same time until one of them won the match to determine the "Real World Champion." Styles was meant to be the winner of course. Why else do you think they set him up as a strong champion and spent a huge amount of time on him every episode?

Ever watched wrestling before?

Clearly not.

Hall and Nash attacked people left and right and people were not sure what they wanted.

No, they said they were invaders from the WWE.

Same thing with Desmond Wolfe.

No, he attacked Angle. It was clear what he wanted. Actions speak louder than words.

Even with the Investor storyline, it would have been better or as good if The Wolves would have attacked without warning. It's very dramatic and that's how you send a message and create mystery in an angle.

Why attack without a warning? They're not heels. Heels do mysterious attacks. They're currently booked as faces who were signed by the investor, this puts emphasis on the investor meaning he's going to be up to a lot in his time in TNA. As for the bolded part, why do the attack with no warning angle if it's going to be "as good as?" That would mean there's no difference and what they're already doing is fine. Stop contradicting yourself.

In fact most fans of the Wolves hoped this would happen this way.

The Wolves were from ROH. Only members from the IWC know who they are. The same fans that want CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan to main event Wrestlemania 30 because they think it's going to be a good match. Both of them guys don't draw and that would lose the WWE money. Don't listen to those kind of guys.

If the Wolves had attacked the Broman, who are part of Dixie's Regime people would have gotten what they want: strike at the regime and aim for the tag titles.

I would question why they would attack an easy target but at the same time, that won't be the start of another stable war. It's just two men that have arrived for the tag team championships and stop some of Dixie's lap dogs. That's not another faction vs faction storyline.

 

[Tiger Chaos Theory]

As far as possible people to fill the role, I think MVP is the absolute best realistic possibility that TNA could have hoped for. I won't go over the merits of the storyline yet as I would like to see what the Wolves and MVP do in the role, but I will say it seems a little retreaded as of this moment but hopefully it will lead to some great matches which is all I would really ask for from Davey Richards anyway.

Also for the record, the idea that MVP can just own a part of TNA after years of being in unknown territory (for casual viewers) and buy a stake in the company so large he wields power is laughable.

Having said all that, MVP, as a performer, can fill this role better than any of the other options. He can work at an adequate level in the ring and does a good job on the mic well. If he has gotten any better since I've seen him in the WWE then I'm sure he can bring some memorable matches to TNA, which is all I really ask for.