The Hypocrisy Of Marks

[Spidey Revivey]

Not quite sure I spelt "hippocrisy" right, but whatever.

This evening I was turned off by wrestling more than I ever have been, and it wasn't by the show itself. It was from the remarks made by people that obviously shouldn't be around a computer but a doodle pad and magic markers. TNA had their "Turning Point" pay per view, it came and went, and left many of us with a bad taste in our mouths while others felt it was their money's worth. I'm not here to argue quality in the wrestling itself or bash any fans because I am a firm believer of "to each his own".

No, my problem lied within comments made on Facebook. I like TNA. I support any promotion that can contrast to WWE. But there is a major injustice I have witnessed and I feel I must share and here opinions on the matter. I understand Facebook is full of Trolls and Attention ****es same as every other site, but some things said there have been said here on more than one occasion:

The "Stupidity" of Nexus
John Cena
PG Era Sucks
Mystery GM
ETC.

Notice something here? None of these things have to do with TNA. And yet each storyline is brought up on a weekly basis by these TNA "marks" as if it had something to do with their show. It's sad. I'm pretty sure it's not just TNA that has these kinds of people- I've noticed many anti TNA people here as well. They just aren't the ones going on and on and on about it.

My point is the more I hear about these so called TNA fans, the more I realize they are closet WWE fans. Anyone else notice this?

What are your thoughts on these marks in wrestling? Do they have a true reason to even label themselves as such if their strongest argument for defending their show is to bash another promotion?

 

[info62]

oh yes the evil TNA fans. Yes we are all homophobic lowlives, just as you implied.

The reason why a lot of TNA fans know about WWE shit is because most of them used to be fans of WWE and then got sick of it, whereas a majority of WWE fans never watched TNA or gave it a chance.

If you don't think WWE fans do the same crap then you are blind. Every promotion has fans who do the same shit.

As for your question... yes, they have a right to call themselves fans if they are tuning into shows and/or shelling out money for merch or ppvs. You might think they are stupid fans but they are still fans.

Oh and by the way, it's "hypocrisy"

 

[Spidey Revivey]

oh yes the evil TNA fans. Yes we are all homophobic lowlives, just as you implied.

Where did I imply anyone was evil, homophobic, or even a lowlife? You misread what I said and that is blatant ignorance. And I was talking about MARKS not fans. Big difference.

The reason why a lot of TNA fans know about WWE shit is because most of them used to be fans of WWE and then got sick of it, whereas a majority of WWE fans never watched TNA or gave it a chance.

I'm pretty sure some people that watch WWE have given TNA a chance. To say otherwise is a complete opinion and no way a fact. You don't know for sure. It's funny how they used to be fans but know week in and week out what's going on in the 'E....

If you don't think WWE fans do the same crap then you are blind. Every promotion has fans who do the same shit.

Did you just decide to not read what I said and form such a biased post? I said I'm sure anti-TNA say the same thing. The only difference is I see it in every TNA mark's post/ FB comment: More dissing on WWE. Hell you're doing it now by not showing the intelligence to read all that I type.

As for your question... yes, they have a right to call themselves fans if they are tuning into shows and/or shelling out money for merch or ppvs. You might think they are stupid fans but they are still fans.

MARKS. Fans are people that like a certain thing. Marks are people that like a certain thing religiously. And I didn't call anyone stupid, but I'm seriously thinking you lack the functions of comprehension.

This topic was about how marks only defend their show here by dissing another show. You have completely missed the point and decided to rant about how TNA should be given a chance and everyone just puts up with WWE's "shit". You're the kind of person I was talking about, or are you blinded by your show so much you fail to notice the subject matter?

Oh and by the way, it's "hypocrisy"

Bitch move. Already said clearly in my opening sentence "Not quite sure I spelled this right, but whatever."

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Well almost every TNA fan watches WWE, but I don't think almost every WWE fan watches TNA. So TNA fans will gripe about some of the WWE product.

Samcro, man you've met some idiotic TNA fans on FB, there are some very articulate and intelligent TNA marks on WZ forum.

Joe's gonna kill you and IDR are brilliant in their assessment and if a TNA segment is shit, they call it shit. But they're not overly bitter WWE haters, they do watch a good amount of WWE programming, from what I've read and have lauded when it's apparent.

As far as your OP goes, well ye, we all love our little thing. I think Saliva is a brilliant band and Back Into You System is one of the best albums ever. This might not be true and nay-sayers will back it up by record sales, but see this is one's personal liking and when it's the under-dog, admirers will tend to fight tooth and nail AGAINST COMMON SENSE EVEN, but still refuse to yield.

WWE is the biggest thing in wrestling, of course everyone is gonna have an opinion, it's like having an opinion on oxygen and it's overratedness with these TNA marks, but again, there are some very good TNA posters here. Don't go hatin' them all.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

The same hypocrisy can be applied to some fans that prefer WWE but I do kind of get where you're coming from. In the TNA section, there are constant references to the WWE by many TNA fans as to how bad WWE is, how much they hate the PG Era and so on and so forth. It's as if they have to somehow justify to themselves and others constantly as to why they prefer TNA. Now, that's not necessarily a bad thing but it does happen to an excessive point I think.

The biggest problem among some TNA and WWE fans is that some of them are such hopeless marks that they can't stand the idea of anyone criticizing their favorite company. Sometimes, however, there can be a legitimate gripe whenever someone criticizes a certain company and those that watch it. More often than not, however, the criticisms that I've seen are aimed more at the company themselves with little to no references to the audience. To some marks, they simply don't like anyone criticizing their personal favorite company. It doesn't matter to them if the criticisms have merit, they just want everyone to blindly love the product that's being put out like they do.

Everyone is going to have their preferences in wrestling companies, storylines and wrestlers. That's completely natural and something to be fully expected. It's part of every other facet of life so wrestling should be no different. The only marks I have issues with are the ones that are the ones that are too immature to realize that they don't have a monopoly one what's good in wrestling and what isn't.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Well almost every TNA fan watches WWE, but I don't think almost every WWE fan watches TNA. So TNA fans will gripe about some of the WWE product.

Samcro, man you've met some idiotic TNA fans on FB, there are some very articulate and intelligent TNA marks on WZ forum.

Joe's gonna kill you and IDR are brilliant in their assessment and if a TNA segment is shit, they call it shit. But they're not overly bitter WWE haters, they do watch a good amount of WWE programming, from what I've read and have lauded when it's apparent.

As far as your OP goes, well ye, we all love our little thing. I think Saliva is a brilliant band and Back Into You System is one of the best albums ever. This might not be true and nay-sayers will back it up by record sales, but see this is one's personal liking and when it's the under-dog, admirers will tend to fight tooth and nail AGAINST COMMON SENSE EVEN, but still refuse to yield.

WWE is the biggest thing in wrestling, of course everyone is gonna have an opinion, it's like having an opinion on oxygen and it's overratedness with these TNA marks, but again, there are some very good TNA posters here. Don't go hatin' them all.

Not true.

Hate to destroy your case, but I don't watch WWE (anymore). I haven't watched in weeks. The last thing I saw was about four minutes of Cena and Otunga in a tag match (as champions) with Barrett yelling at Otunga to lay down. I turned it off and went about my business.

It's also well-known that I'm probably exactly an "overly bitter WWE hater", as I rarely let up an opportunity to take a shot at their kiddie programming (see what I did there?).

As for the OP, it happens — deal with it. We deal with the same nonsense in reverse on a damn-near weekly basis. Hypocrisy (proper spelling) is not exclusive to TNA fans, nor is it to WWE fans, either — it's not exclusive, period.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I've probably heard "TNA SUX" more than any negative comment on WWE. Its actually become the cool thing to say among wrestling fans. I see one of those in almost every thread in the TNA section. WWE fans are even more blind than TNA fans. Most of them fail to see that TNA has both positives and negatives just like every other promotion. Most see it as a promotion that is doomed for failure. Just a day ago I made a thread as to what I would like to see after the culmination of this Immortal storyline and it conveniently turned into a TNA bashing thread.

I'm no TNA mark even if you get that feeling from the above paragraph. I'm equally active on both WWE and TNA sections of this forum and niether do I fail to see why WWE works. But the fact is I am inclined to give TNA a chance which a lot of guys here are not. Even established posters in this forum, sometimes even mods, bash TNA and their superstars for the simple reason that they are in TNA.

I remember a thread of mine getting ridiculed in this forum where I tried comparing a TNA superstar to a WWE one. Now the TNA roster is in some ways better than WWE but the fans are just not willing to accept it. The only superstar from TNA that WWE fans respect is AJ Styles and that is possibly because he was the PWI wrestler of the year this year. Other than him they are not even willing to give a chance to guys like Anderson and Pope, two very charismatic superstars, because they were only "midcarders" in WWE.

But as IDR said we deal with it and the OP as well as other WWE fans should learn as well.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Not true.

Hate to destroy your case, but I don't watch WWE (anymore). I haven't watched in weeks. The last thing I saw was about four minutes of Cena and Otunga in a tag match (as champions) with Barrett yelling at Otunga to lay down. I turned it off and went about my business.

It's also well-known that I'm probably exactly an "overly bitter WWE hater", as I rarely let up an opportunity to take a shot at their kiddie programming (see what I did there?).

As for the OP, it happens — deal with it. We deal with the same nonsense in reverse on a damn-near weekly basis. Hypocrisy (proper spelling) is not exclusive to TNA fans, nor is it to WWE fans, either — it's not exclusive, period.

See SAMCRO, didn't I tell you IDR was brilliant!

Well I did say ALMOST every TNA fan watches WWE, but any how, sometimes very smugish and head-up-the-arses posters do raise a good point.

So maybe some crazy TNA mark (lookin' at you Zion) might say something like " Nexus sux, it has no taste, bunch of idiots who wear stupid colors and do nothing"
(TRANSLATION: Nexus do lack in some key facets like soild mic-skills apart from Barrett and the departed Tarver; and could do with more expression and promo skill development.)

 

[dman1373]

Samcro, man you've met some idiotic TNA fans on FB, there are some very articulate and intelligent TNA marks on WZ forum.

Really, because most of the TNA marks will Bash Anything that isn't TNA. And if you don't know about that then your extremely blind and ignorant. Just look around at any thread that is bashing anything other than TNA. Either it was started by a TNA mark or the person that is bashing the most is a TNA mark. Just look and you will see the truth.

And check out my TNA VS. ROH thread. Who is the better promotion.

 

[shattered dreams]

Supposedly I am the biggest Stevie Wonder of the impact players presently and I do not watch WWE with any regularity FWIW. To suggest this problem is somehow a bigger issue for those that prefer TNA is ridiculous.

I've noticed many anti TNA people here as well. They just aren't the ones going on and on and on about it.

Sure, no one ever brought up "rejects," moving back to thursdays, WCW2.0 and a billion others things over and over and did I mention over again. Most of the comparisons to WWE are a result of people claiming something is a problem that is killing TNA that clearly happens in WWE.

because I am a firm believer of "to each his own".

No, my problem lied within comments made on Facebook.

Oh I get it your use of that hippo chrissy was meant to be ironic or at least I hope. If you think no one ever defends TNA without bringing up john cena then you are delusional at best. Like others have said, this is a problem in all of the IWC.

 

[Whatsinaname696]

I have a problem with ANY sport or "sport" that has people beating the shit out of each other, supposedly or not, being child friendly, now if you want your kids to watch it that's fine, but it should not be geared towards them, now that's just my opinion, that being said I haven't watched WWE in... maybe a couple years now, however I do catch up every so often through the board here and nothing going on seems to draw my attention, and I quit watching cuz yes I am a bitter ex-lover, or maybe we were just fuck buddies and I wanted a commitment on my wrestling and Vince wouldn't give it to me.... yeah... that... people are gonna hate something always, this is no different at all, it does get beyond the point of moronic at times, but... umm moronic people do exist... and in America (and other countries) they have that right... for now heh, so ... yup.. not much to be done bout it, sorry

 

[Navi]

What are your thoughts on these marks in wrestling? Do they have a true reason to even label themselves as such if their strongest argument for defending their show is to bash another promotion?

I'll give you my thoughts on the subject. The post below is a perfect example of someone bashing another company just for the sake of having a go. It was taken from the "Jeff Hardy Debuts a New Championship Belt" thread in the TNA section.

it looks like a masquerade mask wearing a bad thong! TNA needs to take a page out of WWE and ROH's book and learn how to make a good championship title like the WHC! and to that zeven zion girl you are a TNA sympathizer and you must be riding jeff hardy's dick because if you say that the new TNA title is sexy than little girl...you need your head examined because from the looks of that mess the WWE divas belt looks better than that peice of shit and i bet when WWE introduced the new SPINNER and unified tag titles you were on this site saying the same shit about the new wwe titles that i am saying about that laughable peice of shit you sheepsympathizers call a title! jeff hardy must be sharing his crack with TNA if they approved of that POS and he must be sharing some of it with you sheep and sympathizers including that zeven zion transvestite who is riding his dick!

I SPEAK WHATEVER COMES UP IN MY MIND! I USED TO LOVE TNA WITH A PASSION!!!! BUT...WHEN THEY STARTED GETTING BORING I REVERTED BACK TO BEING A WWE FAN AND HAVEN'T LOOKED BACK! TNA CAN GET BETTER! BUT THEY WON'T BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO CHEAP! AND THEY ARE TALENTLESS!

"everytime someone bashes WWE Randy Orton Gives Them An RKO!"

"I Rather Watch WWE On Monday,Tuesday,Thursday And Friday Nights Instead Of Wasting My Time Watching
A Bunch Of Washed Up WWE Rejects On A Minor League Show On Thursday Nights"

"I Rather Committ Suicide Than To Sit In My Room And Watch 3 Hours Of Recycled And Copied Storylines From 1996-2008"

Now anyone can have an opinion on a subject, but shit what was the point of that little rant. Yes, he started out talking about the thread subject, but it developed into a criticism of TNA fans and TNA itself.

Wrestling is wrestling and while I'm a fan of both the WWE and TNA are they really on the same playing field? Some will like the WWE and others TNA, it's a personal taste issue. I don't like some of the shit that happens within both companies and don't mind saying so, but when you just bashing one to make the other look good others will see through it.

If I didn't like TNA, I wouldn't even bother reading that section, much less post in it, same with the WWE. So I guess the point is, if you don't like a particular promotion why waste your time reading and posting about it. You just end up looking like a fool.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

This is something I've been thinking about for a while. There are a lot of people who blindly hate on the opposing wrestling promotion because they feel the need to have their opinions justified. The same thing happened with the console wars in the video game world. People who have Xbox make fun of PS3 and Wii owners, PS3 people make fun of Xbox and Wii owners, etc.

The constant ripping of WWE by TNA itself is done simply because the WWE is the opposition. That's what they're supposed to do. They're supposed to try to coerce fans into watching TNA that haven't been watching before.

The problem is, the fans delude themselves into thinking they're some wrestling-company defense force. You guys are not a part of the company, and you did absolutely nothing to build it. You guys getting offended by criticism of your company would be like me getting personally offended because someone dislikes my favorite band. It doesn't make any sense.

That being said, everybody has their opinions, and I think they should be discussed. I just don't think people should feel obligated to silence their grievances with their preferred company simply because other people think it undermines their own opinions.

 

[Dagger Dias]

My thoughts on those fans are that they want TNA to become as big as WWE. That might never happen. However, if they relate TNA to what's going on in WWE, they think that will generate more discussion. It does.... but it generates more discussion about WWE. If a TNA fan likes WWE too, it's nothing they should be ashamed of. You CAN like both federations. I do, as do many others. What the TNA marks should do is try to help promote TNA by talking only about it and only about TNA stars that didn't come from WWE or WCW. They should not be bashing other promotions when deep down they acually do like them. Why else would they be constantly watching it? If something you truly believe it with all your heart that something sucks, would you REALLY sit and watch it every week? No. They need a reality check. They are hypocrites because if they really wanted to help TNA they should try talking up AJ Styles or Samoa Joe instead of complaining about Nexus or Cena. That would lead to more discussion of TNA rather than going straight back to discussing WWE more.