The Fart Bomber

[Police Penis Sucking Goat Fucker]

When I call people stupid I'm not saying that to be mean I'm saying that because it is completely true. You know what I mean after you read the article. This article no one defines stupid better than this teacher and the cops who arrested this kid.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/10/fart-joke-leads-to-bomb-scare_n_1268713.html

Harold Wayne Hadley Jr a 19 year old straight A, who was arrested the other day because a teacher thought note referring to a fart as a bomb threat. He wrote on a piece of toilet paper that said "I passed a bomb in the library" a teacher saw it and flipped out and that’s when the cops got involved. Even though there no bomb he was still arrested after that. Just for farting he was held on 20,000 dollar bail and is facing 10 years with a 10,000 dollar fine. I think the real the problem is that need that school has too many idiot humorless teachers and that town has even dumber cops for arresting him. This happened a few days ago I couldn't find any updates on him but they better drop these charges because no one should be paying their tax dollars to lock up a good student based of the stupidity of other people. Even if you fart you’re a terrorist now.

 

[H33LTurn]

I had a similar situation happen in school one day. A Muslim kid decided to crack a joke about bombing the school amidst a class conversation and the teacher who had been laughing got very serious. He went on to explain that he'll take it as a joke this time but if he hears something like that he is obligated to report it due to safety reasons. The look on the muslim kid's face was priceless as he went on to explain how legal action would be taken after to he reported the issue. Needless to say the kid was scared straight and reassured the teacher he was just joking even though we all knew he was. Sometimes teachers are genuinely stupid but other times they are following mandatory protocol and anyone would understand in a situation of that nature that its better to play it on the safe side. I know the incident is unfortunate but maybe this will convince parents to teach their kids not to use the word "bomb" frivolously anymore.

 

[J.J.]

Columbine and Virginia Tech shootings are reasons why teachers react the way they do. I'd want a teacher teaching my kids to react the same way. It's better to be safe than sorry from teacher's perspective in that situation. As for the student he should know better. I got kids in school and last thing I want is some loner, with some kind of grievance. Picked on with revenge as a motive.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I think the real the problem is that need that school has too many idiot humorless teachers and that town has even dumber cops for arresting him.

Oh yeah. They are very dumb. I mean, who wouldn't think the worst if they heard the word "bomb." I bet the next teacher who encounters this will think it's a fart and imagine if it was actually a bomb. Bet you didn't think about that.

This happened a few days ago I couldn't find any updates on him but they better drop these charges because no one should be paying their tax dollars to lock up a good student based of the stupidity of other people. Even if you fart you’re a terrorist now.

What are you going to do if they don't? Pass a bomb on them.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I mean, who wouldn't think the worst if they heard the word "bomb."

And the worst part is that the teachers and police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they presume the kid was just joking around and it turned out to be a true bomb threat, the citizens will scream that the authorities didn't do enough to protect us. We demand that those in charge do everything in their power to defuse any situation that might pose a threat to our safety.

One caveat: While they're doing these things to protect us, they have to make sure they don't hurt anyone's feelings.....In other words, be mind-readers, and make sure your guesses are correct.....100% of the time.

Lotsa luck.

 

[Police Penis Sucking Goat Fucker]

But there wasn't a bomb once they found out that it was just a fart and not a bomb nothing else should have happened after that. After they found out that there wasn't a bomb they still arrested him. I mean people have using the word bomb probably since the beginning of farts. I know I've used the word bomb instead of fart a bunch of times. Do you actually think that this kid deserves these charges?

and yes little jerry I'm going to blow all of those people up.

 

[H33LTurn]

But there wasn't a bomb once they found out that it was just a fart and not a bomb nothing else should have happened after that. After they found out that there wasn't a bomb they still arrested him. I mean people have using the word bomb probably since the beginning of farts. I know I've used the word bomb instead of fart a bunch of times. Do you actually think that this kid deserves these charges?

and yes little jerry I'm going to blow all of those people up.

You do know they still have to investigate after the incident occurred, which is why he was arrested. No where in the article does it say that the issue was cleared up and THEN he was arrested, it pretty much says the teacher called the cops and they did what they're supposed to do and arrested him. They cant just let him go scot free because he claims he was referring to a fart and not a bomb. "If convicted of threatening to blow up the school, he faces 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine". Hes going to be on trial and will probably be found innocent, I dont see whats so outlandish about this. And its not even some little kid using the word bomb in exchange for fart, its a grown ass man. Nobody has to know what you did in the library if the only word you can use to describe it is "bomb".

 

[This Is My Name Thank You]

I give it to the teacher on this one for sure. We live in a world where joking isn't taken too seriously any more. After the Twin Tower incident, who wouldn't jump at the word 'bomb' especially in a school? Schools have had so many crazy things happen to them to the point where the teacher did nothing but their job. If I heard the words of someone saying they just dropped a bomb in the library or where ever they dropped it, I would leave school. My life isn't a joke, nor is anyone else's. The kid should have realized that he was in school where you go to become smart and obviously he wasn't thinking to smart at the time.

If the teacher didn't do anything and someone's child was to go home and say something about it to their parents, imagine the bullshit that would have happened. We live in a very two sided world where Mustang Sally said it right. They be damned if they don't and damned if they do. There is no pleasing everyone but, when it comes to safety where a threat seems to be in place then that person who sees it or hears it needs to do their job. Teachers are there to teach and also protect the students until they are off school property.

Overall the student should of thought about what he did a little bit better than he had. His punishment seems harsh but hopefully he does get punished to learn his lesson.

 

[Police Penis Sucking Goat Fucker]

Does that mean you think he deserves 10 years in prison and a 10,000 dollar fine just for farting. I understand why the teacher got concerned but once they found out it was just a fart and there wasn't a bomb in the school then he should have been let go right away. He still never did anything that was wrong

 

[H33LTurn]

Does that mean you think he deserves 10 years in prison and a 10,000 dollar fine just for farting. I understand why the teacher got concerned but once they found out it was just a fart and there wasn't a bomb in the school then he should have been let go right away. He still never did anything that was wrong

Again, hes going on TRIAL. There he will most likely be found innocent. That charge belongs to terrorists and technically hes not a terrorist or a threat to anyone except whoever was next to him at that library.

 

[CH David]

When I call people stupid I'm not saying that to be mean I'm saying that because it is completely true. You know what I mean after you read the article. This article no one defines stupid better than this teacher and the cops who arrested this kid.

No it isn't completely true. And for crying out loud learn how to use the fricking quote button!

When you're in college, or school for that matter, teachers have to do what is in the best interest of the students. If you found a note saying bomb in it, what in the blue fuck are you going to do? Just pass it off as nothing, potentially putting yourself and students in legitimate danger, or alert the authorities? With Columbine, VA Tech, NIU, you can't be all relaxed about it. After the investigation is over, if he does indeed go to trial the whole thing can be thrown out. They could easily just drop the charges before a trial even starts.

 

[GI Cake]

As a teacher, it is their duty to make sure kids are learning in a safe environment . Like Sally said, the teacher was in a catch 22 in that situation. If their was a bomb, and the teacher didn't report it. Thousands of people could have been killed, including herself. But if she didn't report it, the school would have been way to careful. Would you rather walk outside and sit in the freezing cold for 15-30 minutes while the police search for bombs, or would you rather sit inside a school and wait for a bomb to explode? I think the choice is rather obvious. The point is, you can never be too careful and the kid who is getting the punishment might be a little harsh for what he did, but if he took the time to think for 30 seconds before making that note, this wouldn't even be an issue.

 

[LSN80]

If their was a bomb, and the teacher didn't report it. Thousands of people could have been killed, including herself. But if she didn't report it, the school would have been way to careful. Would you rather walk outside and sit in the freezing cold for 15-30 minutes while the police search for bombs, or would you rather sit inside a school and wait for a bomb to explode? I think the choice is rather obvious.

This. I mean, how much more common sense do you need? Say the teacher found the note, and there was a bomb. Teacher(somehow) thought "Must have been a joke", and ignored it. By chance, everyone got out alive. What do you think would have happened to that teacher? Losing her job would have been the least of her worries, as the teacher could and likely would have been brought up on charges for criminal negligance.

I think the real the problem is that need that school has too many idiot humorlss teachers and that town has even dumber cops for arresting him.

Yes, clearly, taking a bomb threat seriously, which you're an idiot if you think it as anything but, makes the teacher an "idiot" and "humorless." And cops doing their jobs, arresting a kid for making terroristic threats, are "dumb."

We should clearly fire these teachers and cops, and replace them with only people who can read sarcasm off of a piece of paper. Mentalists, they're called.

The situation here is this: It would be no different if he had called the school later, and chuckled while he said "I left a bomb in Room 332 during 4th period. Teehee." Regardless of his intention, it was a threat, a terroristic one, and against the law. The teacher and the police followed proper procedure. Had they done otherwise, idiot and dumb would have been good descriptions. Their actions were perfectly appropriate.

The point is, you can never be too careful and the kid who is getting the punishment might be a little harsh for what he did, but if he took the time to think for 30 seconds before making that note, this wouldn't even be an issue.

For a straight A student, you would think he would have put more thought into this, eh Pancake?

Even if you fart you’re a terrorist now.

If you pass it off as a bomb, even as a joke, it's terroristic in nature. Further, this sets a precedent. Maybe students, even one's not as "intelligent" as this one, will think twice before making "jokes" such as these.

 

[Police Penis Sucking Goat Fucker]

I understand why there must have been a concern of the teacher but I keep on saying once he they found no bomb and he was just makeing a joke everything should have been dropped and let him out of jail with no charges it was a simple misunderstanding. I doubt that kid will face any jail time but it wouldn't surprise me if he got a fine which I still think is unfair. But let's just say if they actually gave him 10 years would think that is fair.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I understand why there must have been a concern of the teacher but I keep on saying once he they found no bomb and he was just makeing a joke everything should have been dropped and let him out of jail with no charges it was a simple misunderstanding. I doubt that kid will face any jail time but it wouldn't surprise me if he got a fine which I still think is unfair. But let's just say if they actually gave him 10 years would think that is fair.

Nice flip-flop from your original post Todd. Please make sure to apologize to all humorless idiot teachers and cops. Thank you.

I think it may be a mistake to so simply believe this kid and his family that he was making a 'fart' joke. Who the hell writes notes like that? Who leaves a note like that lying around? If he was writing a note, who was he writing it to? Has that person come out in his defense? Don't we all text each other if we can't talk nowadays? Shouldn't we wait until the authorities reveal the content of the note before we take the word of his aunt who has probably never seen the note? What was he doing in the library? Isn't 'BOMB' an expression for taking a shit, not a fart? Is it possible that he watched the movie Road Trip recently and saw the bomb threat scene and thought it would be really funny to do something similar? Isn't it odd that according to the article the teacher knew which student's handwriting it was? Is it possible that Hadley (who has a great name for a presidential assassin) is a troubled kid that one would easily consider to play this type of prank or commit this type of act?

I don't know if he will or should get 10 years in jail for this, I am going to wait and learn more before I pass judgment and start calling people stupid and idiots.

 

[Police Penis Sucking Goat Fucker]

He showed the note to his friend and then left it on the floor why did he have to send a text message. I thought that writing the note down on a piece of toilet paper made it funnier. He showed it to his friend sometime after that the note fell on the floor the teacher saw the note recognized his hand writing and that’s when everything was blown out of proportion. Yes I understand the teacher’s original concern but once they found out there was no bomb it should have been dropped there I don't even think the cops needed to be involved. That’s why I called them stupid idiots because they still arrested him even after they found nothing. The main thing is that there was never a bomb found. So right there is your proof that he was just talking about his fart. Where’s the sense of humor people joke about farts all the time kids and adults. The problem that I have is that he is still in jail for the biggest and stupidest misunderstanding. That kid doesn't deserve to be sitting in jail right now and doesn't deserve to face any penalty for making a joke. You have to be dumb to think that this kid was actually planning to pull off a terroristic attack. That’s the problem if you anything you’re a terrorist even that one lady who got her cupcakes taken away recently because it was a security risk. It's a damn shame I was really hoping that she was going to blow up the plane with her cupcake bombs

 

[George Steele's Barber]

He showed the note to his friend and then left it on the floor

Where did it say this in the story? What was the friend's name? Why hasn't the friend come out to defend him?

why did he have to send a text message.

Because funny and scary 'bomb threats' get written on paper. This seems more like one or the other to me.

I thought that writing the note down on a piece of toilet paper made it funnier. He showed it to his friend sometime after that the note fell on the floor the teacher saw the note recognized his hand writing and that’s when everything was blown out of proportion. Yes I understand the teacher’s original concern but once they found out there was no bomb it should have been dropped there I don't even think the cops needed to be involved.

So why is the teacher a humorless idiot? I'm still waiting for you apology.

That’s why I called them stupid idiots because they still arrested him even after they found nothing. The main thing is that there was never a bomb found.
So right there is your proof that he was just talking about his fart.

That's proof there was no bomb. That's not proof that he wasn't playing a sick practical joke or a malicious joke.

Where’s the sense of humor people joke about farts all the time kids and adults.

Where is your ability to use question marks? I love bathroom humor, but to simply believe this was a 'fart' joke and to completely dismiss the judgment of the police seem very presumptious and prejudiced. Are you prejudiced?

The problem that I have is that he is still in jail for the biggest and stupidest misunderstanding. That kid doesn't deserve to be sitting in jail right now and doesn't deserve to face any penalty for making a joke. You have to be dumb to think that this kid was actually planning to pull off a terroristic attack.

I don't think he was trying to pull off a terrorist attack. I think that he may be a complete douche bag who deserves to be punished for his actions. Is he still in jail? How do you know this?

Are you really so convinced and willing to buy the 'fart joke' story? Am I totally out of line saying that something doesn't smell right (pun not intended) about this kid and his family's story? Is it possible that someone may read the headline of the Huffington article and make the conclusion that it was definitely a 'fart joke' instead of reading the full article and putting together their own judgment of the situation.

 

[Police Penis Sucking Goat Fucker]

I've read several different articles about this incident as of the one I read that was posted yesterday said he is still in jail awaiting trial. The one I originally posted isn't as descriptive as the articles that were made later.

Why do i need to apologize to you for what I said about teacher? Were you the teacher who thought that it was a bomb threat? I 'm not sorry for what I said about the teacher.

You can say I'm a little prejudice towards the police they take advantage of the badge every day. When people are peacefully standing up for their rights they pepper spray you like they did to an old lady and thousands of other hard working people, or they shoot them with rubber bullets. For every good cop there are about 20 bad cops. Due to the history of the police I have every reason in the world to be prejudice toward a cop because a lot of the time instead of protecting and serving cops just bully and harass. You can't proof that he was just doing that to call in a fake bomb threat as a joke. They should have just laughed it off and let the kid off.

 

[GI Cake]

I've read several different articles about this incident as of the one I read that was posted yesterday said he is still in jail awaiting trial. The one I originally posted isn't as descriptive as the articles that were made later

So you are willing to base an opinion without getting all the facts checked? That is a great way to look at things.

Why do i need to apologize to you for what I said about teacher? Were you the teacher who thought that it was a bomb threat? I 'm not sorry for what I said about the teacher.

The Teacher did the right thing in calling it a bomb threat and protecting the lives of thousands of students. You are being a immature idiot and saying she is humorless to think otherwise.

You can say I'm a little prejudice towards the police they take advantage of the badge every day.

Where on earth do you get this shit? The good cops never get the respect they deserve for protecting us 24/7 while stupid punks like yourself spit on their image.

When people are peacefully standing up for their rights they pepper spray you like they did to an old lady and thousands of other hard working people, or they shoot them with rubber bullets.

Funny I don't remember reading about this. Police have every right to prevent and end riots when their lives are put into danger.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/occu...flags-police-fire-tear-gas-to-disperse-crowd/

Here is an article of a riot that was put under control by the local police. The rioters were breaking down fences, and destroying public property. If the idiots simply protested like normal human beings the cops wouldn't have needed to react the way they did. Besides that, my father who is a cop. He never went out of his way to hurt or attack anybody. Nor any of his friends in the force or any of their friends. They do what they have to do to keep the peace.

For every good cop there are about 20 bad cops.

Funny, where did you pull this number. But seeing as it is your opinion I am going to guess that number came right out of your ass. There might be rotten cops out there but there are always going to be people out there abusing their power. My father is a police officer and I this as a spit in the face to everything my dad does on a daily business. He goes out on the streets and upholds the law so stupid kids like yourself can go into his face and spit on it. Whenever a Cop abuses his power the entire force is put to shame. But everyday cops put themselves in the most dangerous role in upholding the law from drug dealers, gang bangers, and serial killers and they don't get the respect they deserve. Next time your life is in danger, call 911 and ask for only the "good cops."

Due to the history of the police I have every reason in the world to be prejudice toward a cop because a lot of the time instead of protecting and serving cops just bully and harass.

Yeah, because the Police force hold meetings everyday to try and make everyone else's life as depressing as the police could. That makes perfect sense.

You can't proof that he was just doing that to call in a fake bomb threat as a joke. They should have just laughed it off and let the kid off.

When their is a bomb threat on a government property like a public school for instance, it becomes a federal matter. The Fire Department, Police, EMT's, and Bomb Disposals are called in to make sure no one's life is in danger. When reports come in to see it was an empty threat you can't possibly blame the teacher. She had every right to be scared. You make an example out of the kid who wrote the note that bomb threats are not going to be taken lightly. I don't see how you can't understand this.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I've read several different articles about this incident as of the one I read that was posted yesterday said he is still in jail awaiting trial. The one I originally posted isn't as descriptive as the articles that were made later.

Please provide a link to the article that mentions the friend and that he was still in jail. Thank you.

Why do i need to apologize to you for what I said about teacher? Were you the teacher who thought that it was a bomb threat? I 'm not sorry for what I said about the teacher.

You don't need to apologize to me. I just find it doubly disrespectful to say harsh things about anyone and then not apologize when you change your story. Do you still believe the teacher to be a humorless idiot?

Even though I think you are completely wrong about almost every opinion you have presented here I haven't resorted to calling you an idiot. Should I call you an idiot? If I am proven to be wrong, should I not apologize? Not that I have called you an idiot, but if I choose to do so.

You can say I'm a little prejudice towards the police they take advantage of the badge every day. When people are peacefully standing up for their rights they pepper spray you like they did to an old lady and thousands of other hard working people, or they shoot them with rubber bullets. For every good cop there are about 20 bad cops. Due to the history of the police I have every reason in the world to be prejudice toward a cop because a lot of the time instead of protecting and serving cops just bully and harass.

You sound very prejudiced and pretty uninformed. I will remember that it is ok for you to hold these prejudices against police in the future when others are being accused of their own prejudices.

You can't proof that he was just doing that to call in a fake bomb threat as a joke. They should have just laughed it off and let the kid off.

*prove?

Who said anything about "calling"? This is all about a note.

I have as much evidence on my side as you do on yours. I'm not saying my side is definitely correct, I am not placing judgment on others from the information in a couple of internet articles. You are doing this Ryan. I am just giving things more time for information to come out and asking some questions. Most of which you fail to answer.

 

[GI Cake]

http://www.mediaite.com/online/84-y...e-protest-instantly-becomes-icon-of-movement/

She might have been attacked wrongly, but did her 82 year old mind did not tell her to stay away what was clearly a hazardous situation? Why would someone willingly put themselves into a dangerous situation?

Oh look a picture of protesters that were block a public walkway. Let's watch the youtube video shall we?

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As we can clearly see, the campus police gave the students fair warning that they will be using pepper spray. They even took the time to form an area so that bystanders would not get hit in the process. They give another warning, presenting the pepper spray. If the protesters simply moved off the public walkway this wouldn't be an issue.

You really need to learn how to use the internet. Fixing your links is pain in the ass on my part. But that is an obviously a one sided view on the protest with the link you have given. But what I can tell from the video footage of that protest. The net was put in place to ensure the protesters were not going to harm anybody not involved. Who knows what could have happened at the other side of the camera didn't see. Maybe a rioter threw a stone or a brick at a cop? But the matter of the fact is you are failing to see the bigger picture in the thick of all things.

Protecting and Serving?

That is exactly what a Police officer is enlisted to do. Police Officers are not sharing the same neighborhood as the fat cats of government and corporate. My dad makes a little more than a garbage man does because he is a public servant. He signed up to make his home a safer place for everybody. No one signs up so they can go out and pepper spray bystanders and none of them take orders from the government to abuse their power. Get a fucking grip.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

The article is two days old and says nothing about giving the note to a friend. Did you make that part about the friend up? Is he still in jail? He can make bond and get it back when he shows up for his hearing. Thanks for not answering my other questions. Look forward to you ending up in prison (WZF and real) soon.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

He remains in the Jones County jail until his hearing.
If convicted he could face 10 years in jail time as well as a $10,000 fine.

I copy and pasted that from the link I sent you
it didn't mention the friend but who else would have wrote it for if he did write it as a joke

Listen to yourself, "if he did write it as a joke". You are starting to question your own earlier statements. I am very proud of you. I have accomplished what I set out to do and this thread is now more than just a way to boost my post count. Yeah me! I changed a life today.

 

[Police Penis Sucking Goat Fucker]

You didn't change anything all I was doing was answering your questions like you asked be to

I still think he should have never been punished and I never questioned my earlier statements I don't know what you’re thinking but you didn't change my life in anyway just to let you know

 

[LSN80]

Let's keep this thread on track, folks, and stay away from police brutality and the like.

He showed the note to his friend and then left it on the floor.

Which then constitutes him making a written threat. Intent here doesn't matter in the least. I may intend to lock the door of my house, but if I forget to, guess whose fault it is if I'm robbed?

Same situation here. This may never have been meant to see the light of day, but it did. His intention of making a joke is irrelevant, what matters here are his actions. And his actions constituted of him making a bomb threat.

I thought that writing the note down on a piece of toilet paper made it funnier.

I'm guessing you're about 12 years old, because I can't see how anyone but an adolescent would find this funny. He causes a disruption that causes 11 seperate expert squads to fly in, thinking they're going to disarm a bomb, and you find it funny? Your sense of humor is quite juvenile.

He showed it to his friend sometime after that the note fell on the floor the teacher saw the note recognized his hand writing and that’s when everything was blown out of proportion. Yes I understand the teacher’s original concern but once they found out there was no bomb it should have been dropped there I don't even think the cops needed to be involved.

From what I've read, they only found out there wasn't a bomb because of the fact that the cops and special forces were called in. You truly don't get it. When you're dealing with something as serious as the possibility of a bomb, you take no chances.

My guess is that the teacher called the police first and foremost, then the kid was confronted. And even if it was the other way around, and he explained his intent, you take no chances. The other thing you fail to grasp, over and over, is that the teacher was doing her job. Had she not called the cops, she could have lost her job, and faced criminal negligence charges, bomb or not. But she should have ignored those things because it was a big joke, right?

You don't take the kid for his word in these situations. If he didn't want to face the music, he shouldn't have done something so dumb.

That’s why I called them stupid idiots because they still arrested him even after they found nothing. The main thing is that there was never a bomb found. So right there is your proof that he was just talking about his fart.

Thank God there was no bomb! But that was only confirmed after the police were called, not before. The idiocy would have been after all the chaos he caused for them to not arrest him. Do you know what a terroristic threat is? It's something that gives someone else reasonable belief that their life, and the lives of others, may be in danger. Whether they are is irrelevant.

Joke or not, he made what constitutes a terroristic threat. For that, he was rightfully arrested.

Where’s the sense of humor people joke about farts all the time kids and adults. The problem that I have is that he is still in jail for the biggest and stupidest misunderstanding.

You truly don't get it. Misunderstanding or not, what he did was against the law. You can repeat yourself 50 times that "it was a misunderstanding", and "people don't have a sense of humor, but the kid broke the law, joke or not.

That kid doesn't deserve to be sitting in jail right now and doesn't deserve to face any penalty for making a joke.

When the joke is against the law he does.

You have to be dumb to think that this kid was actually planning to pull off a terroristic attack.

That's not the point. The point is whether or not you take even the slightest chance. When someone writes "I passed a bomb in the library", you don't hesitate, you act. Eleven freaking emergency agencies responded, so they obviously took it seriously. Why can't you understand that, in these situations, you take the safest possible route? It doesn't matter if you think, this kid was planning a terrorist attack, you don't take the chance to find out.

The only person who was dumb in this situation was the kid. And it's costing him big time. Why? Because the law isn't on his side.

Quick question, Todd. Why do you think it is everyone in this thread disagrees with you? Not even one person sees your point of view. Why do you think that is?