The Corporation or the NWO

[Mr. TM]

Two incredible storylines. Two huge feuds. Stone Cold versus Vince McMahon and Sting versus Hulk Hogan. Man versus Boss, Man versus Corruption.

The NWO created the a string of 80 weeks where Raw was not the most viewed wrestling program, Nitro was. It was beat once Stone Cold started to flip off his boss.

Now that is not a fair comparison, as the NWO was dying down at the point. If one were to look at their success, you could look at ratings. You might see that the WWE was better at points, you might see that the WCW was better. But there was other reasonings behind ratings.

Each storyline had a great supporting cast. The Corporation was a huge stable. The NWO was a huge stable. I would argue the NWO had the better group of wrestlers and talent.

But overall, I have to give the edge to the corporation. Bret Hart might have been the start of Evil Vince, but it was Stone cold who brought the character of Vince to the level he currently stands at. The effects of the NWO are pretty much dead, but the Corporation still has lasting effects. I wouls argue it has more success.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

It's the NWO, and here's why.

When you thought of the WWF/E during that time, you thought of Austin, The Rock, DX, etc. However, when you thought of WCW in that time frame, you thought of the N-W-O. The reason being is that the WCW used the NWO as a stable to run roughshod over the WCW, wheras the Corporation was a mere failed attempt at controlling Austin. The Corporation was more of a fad than a faction. It didn't last very long and it was only used to further the legacy of Stone Cold.

However, the NWO was the centerpiece of WCW. EVERY major storyline revolved around the New World Order. Even the cruiserweights like Rey Mysterio were involved. It was a way of being in WCW. In the WWF, the Corporation was merely part of Stone Cold's storyline with Vince.

 

[DiscipleofWrestling]

I got to go with the nWo. They were the monster group at the time and really set the pace for most of what followed. Without the nWo, there would be no DX, Corporation, Nation of Domination, and other super groups within WWE. The nWo was cutting edge because you had two wrestlers from another company come in at once, portray themselves as invaders, align themselves with the superhero Hulk Hogan, and become this bad ass group which broke barriers. Before the nWo, there were very few backstage segments. In fact, they were the first to invade the production area and pull the curtain off the backstage area. The nWo's problem was it got so watered down with 200 members and two divisions (and the lWo) that it ceased to be this rogue "force" and became this t-shirt party.

The Corporation really didn't come into being until the late 1998, when Austin was already a monster face and McMahon was over as a heel. When the WWF made that alliance, it wasn't quite a ripoff of WCW. But it was influenced by the nWo, as was probably the idea for McMahon to be the villain since Bischoff was doing it since 1996. The fact that McMahon in real life screwed Bret Hart like a White House intern made McMahon that much more over and better than Bischoff as a villain, but Bischoff was first on that heel show runner bandwagon.

I was never that big a fan of WCW as far as it being "better" than WWE, but I gotta give the devils their due. The nWo in the long term made much more of an impact than The Corporation.


So......


Survey says...... One more for the good guys.

 

[gully side adidja]

this has gotta be the most one sided question on this site, nwo all day everyday, they were bigger, stronger, more over the top, and out to completely take over wcw, all the corporation were around for were to keep austin from winning the wwe title, holla.

 

[bucks8897]

the nWo without a doubt! The formation of the nWo played a huge roll in propelling wrestling entertainment into the fan base that it holds today.

The formation of the NWO in 1996 also had one of the most shocking moments and biggest gambles that wrestling entertainment had ever scene. It was the Hogan Heel turn. I have to give WCW credit for rolling the dice here. They knew there were on to something with the outsiders but still lacked that one factor to put them over the top.

Hogan was skeptical at first about turning heel. This could possibly make or break his carrer at that point. Hogan had always been a fan favorite and that was the corner stone of his carrer in wrestling for the last 15 years. Hogan and WCW rolled the dice and boy did it ever pay off. Nobody saw it coming and the next thing you knew Nitro was killing Raw in the monday night wars.

Unfortuantly WCW had something great and rode it all the way till it went down in flames but in it's glory the nWo is the greatest stable ever created in professional wrestling in my opionion. Vince had nothing that could match the nWo. In order to take over the monday night wars though he gives Austin the belt and allows him to pretty much make a fool out of the CEO of RAW which puts WWE back over the top of monday night wars, but not after a few years of Hogan holding the WCW title defeding it and only retaining due to run-ins from his stable who now had like 75 people in it and everyone got tired of it.

Overall nWo played a huge part in jump starting the Monday Night Wars which brought many new wrestling fans into the mix (including my self and 15 years later I'm still a big fan) and propelled Vince and WWE into the infamous "attitude era" only because that was all he could do go keep the WWE from going under. It was a large snowbell effect that did wonders for wrestling entertainment.

I just wish that WCW hadn't folded like it did because WWE vs. WCW was a great rivalry. I hope TNA can get to that point and challenge WWE because it would be good for Vince to not be so "comfortable" since he has monopolized wrestling entertainment he has nothign to worry about right now.

 

[Platypus Palsy]

In the long run, the nWo was more harmful to WCW then helpful because of the fact that the majority of wrestlers were eventually in the stable and the whole not putting people over and the Finger Poke of Doom. The storyline went on for way too long and let the WWF not only get back into the Monday Night Wars but kill WCW.

In the short run, the nWo was way more influential. Before Stone Cold was Stone Cold and the Austin 3:16 everywhere and all that WWF good stuff, you had the nWo being the nWo. The cool heels who people cheered even if they shouldn't be. If I remember correctly, they would get mixed reactions. I do remember Scott Hall coming out and asking some city if they were with them or against them. I watched this on the WWE 24/7 so I'm not 100% sure how often this was done. At any rate, they were like Stone Cold in stable form. Now that I think about it, that isn't good. If only 1 man could counter act a whole stable, how affective was that stable really? I know Stone Cold had help and, in my opinion, the best cast of wrestlers the WWF had other then the Post-War era, but when you think WWF Attitude Era you think Stone Cold.

I got rather off topic here, but I think the question was answered somewhere in here. If not, in the long run the Corporation was the better storyline, but in the short term the nWo had a bigger impact and was more of an influence. Now that I think about it, the nWo had a better long term impact on wrestling as a whole, just not WCW.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

In the long run, the nWo was more harmful to WCW then helpful because of the fact that the majority of wrestlers were eventually in the stable and the whole not putting people over and the Finger Poke of Doom. The storyline went on for way too long and let the WWF not only get back into the Monday Night Wars but kill WCW.

In the short run, the nWo was way more influential. Before Stone Cold was Stone Cold and the Austin 3:16 everywhere and all that WWF good stuff, you had the nWo being the nWo. The cool heels who people cheered even if they shouldn't be. If I remember correctly, they would get mixed reactions. I do remember Scott Hall coming out and asking some city if they were with them or against them. I watched this on the WWE 24/7 so I'm not 100% sure how often this was done. At any rate, they were like Stone Cold in stable form. Now that I think about it, that isn't good. If only 1 man could counter act a whole stable, how affective was that stable really? I know Stone Cold had help and, in my opinion, the best cast of wrestlers the WWF had other then the Post-War era, but when you think WWF Attitude Era you think Stone Cold.

I got rather off topic here, but I think the question was answered somewhere in here. If not, in the long run the Corporation was the better storyline, but in the short term the nWo had a bigger impact and was more of an influence. Now that I think about it, the nWo had a better long term impact on wrestling as a whole, just not WCW.

I don't see how you can say nWo was more harmful then hurtful. Without the nWo, WCW never gets as big as it does, and probably never challenges the WWF.

 

[Platypus Palsy]

I know at first they helped, but I mean in the end with things like the Finger Poke of Doom and the fact that almost everyone was a member at one point, it helped kill WCW. I know it propelled them into first, but in the end I think it really contributed to the end because of how long they kept it going.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

I know at first they helped, but I mean in the end with things like the Finger Poke of Doom and the fact that almost everyone was a member at one point, it helped kill WCW. I know it propelled them into first, but in the end I think it really contributed to the end because of how long they kept it going.

Hmmm, well, I think that's a different debate. I don't mean to drag the thread off topic, but I think at that point you have to ask if it's worth it to get to the top of the mountain if, when you get there, you have to fall down the other side. Without the nWO, WCW never gets to the mountaintop. Then again, you also don't have to fall down the other side. I think overall, getting to the top is a much more valuable thing. The wrestlers made a better living, the WWF upped their game...I think the nWo did far more good then bad.

 

[Platypus Palsy]

I agree that this is probably another debate, but I have to say that WCW should've seen when enough was enough. They were losing, and the nWo wasn't helping anymore. That's when you try something else. The WWF was losing, so Stone Cold was pushed to the for front. I admit that was more by accident, but it worked. They saw that WCW was winning in ratings, so they didn't stick with the same old same old. When the ratings went back in favor of WWF, the WCW stuck with the nWo. At the end of the day, it did help to destroy WCW.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

I agree that this is probably another debate, but I have to say that WCW should've seen when enough was enough. They were losing, and the nWo wasn't helping anymore. That's when you try something else. The WWF was losing, so Stone Cold was pushed to the for front. I admit that was more by accident, but it worked. They saw that WCW was winning in ratings, so they didn't stick with the same old same old. When the ratings went back in favor of WWF, the WCW stuck with the nWo. At the end of the day, it did help to destroy WCW.

All fair points. At some point, the nWo should have been either disbanded, or something else done with it. The oversaturation of the product helped destroy WCW. And the group should DEFINITELY have been kept much smaller.

 

[Super Crazy]

I'm picking the Corporation. They were a great heel stable. They weren't over used or dragged out. The Corporation was a great stable, and they became even better when the Undertaker united with them and formed the Corporate Ministry. This was right around the time I began watching wrestling. And watching Stone Cold single-handledly take them down was great. His feud with The Undertaker was great. But I digress, I would have picked the nWo, but they were dragged out too long in WCW, so much that when they came into the WWE, people just weren't that happy with it. People grew even more tired of it, and now with TNA teasing the return of the nWo, people are beginning to bitch about it. And I firmly hope the nWo don't come back, as that'd be a waste.

 

[F-5MONSTER]

I'll go with the nwo because they had 3 diffrent versions of it.Regular nwo in the beginning and then nwo hollywood and then my favorite nwo wolfpack yea yea!!The corperation just didnt have the popularity that the nwo did.And i know some of you are going to say there heels so who cares about the their popularity but the nwo were heel's and they got people(some people) cheering them and people wearing their shirts.And esp. since nwo wolfpack were faces that proves it just about that the nwo(wolfpack mostly) is the better stable.

 

[Toroc102]

I'm definately going to choose the nWo here, since everything about it was so cool, and so large in scope, and it was one of the few truly revolutionary ideas in wrestling with no real precedent. They wanted to rule the wrestling world and we're really getting across the vibe that it was nWo Versus WcW, they had the fans cheering like crazy. I don't even really view it as a stable I saw it more as a rival promotion even though they we're obviously WcW guys.

The corporation was really something we had seen before just in a bit larger scope. It had the heel manager in Vince recruiting his flunky's to go to war with his top enemy in Austin. In retrospect it wasn't too different from Bobby Heenans Family going against Andre and subsequently Hogan, Camp Cornette feuding with the Title Holders of its era, or The Alliance to end Hulkamania.

I think the problem with the nWo is that it never really progressed and no one ever won the "war" decisively. The nWo should have either outright won and had WcW change its name to nWo, gone the original route of having a competing show in Thunder(imagine that, a Brand Split I could stand for)or Sting should have brought them down(the most obvious way of progressing, it was such a let down when after 18 months Sting didn't get to keep the title and tear apart the nWo member by member, thats when I started changing my alegiances to Stone Cold and the WWF). Instead they let the nWo kill itself and promoted no one in the process, they should've given the fans what they wanted, instead they gave Hogan what he wanted.