The "company guy" tag- the real reasons fans boo faces.

[d_henderson1810]

I have suspected for a while why the "smarks" don't like particular WWE superstars, John Cena, Sheamus, the Miz and love others- Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler etc.

But my suspicions were confirmed leading up to "Wrestlemania" when Roman Reigns couldn't buy a cheer, when he had been loved when in the Shield.

I call it "the company guy tag".

The "smarks" start to hate a superstar the moment they find out that WWE are pushing them to the moon. A superstar who is a darling of Vince, Triple H and Steph, who goes onto talk shows and promotes WWE, is hated by the smarks, because the "company guy" loves the WWE, whereas smarks only pretend to, so that they can justify coming onto websites and talking smack about it.

Look at Cena. The ultimate corporate guy. He promotes WWE more than any other. He goes on talk shows, and spuiks the company wherever he is. He even promotes WWE's charitable causes and is the WWE's "Make-A-Wish" Ambassador. Also, Vince promotes him and puts him in every main event for years.

Sheamus- He was brought into the company by Triple H, so is seen as only getting his push because of Triple H. So smarks hate him, forcing his recent heel turn. Same with Batista.

The Miz- The Miz had some admirers for a while, but going on numerous talk shows, and being in the Marine films, while he was also champion, annoyed the hell out of the smarks.

Roman Reigns-loved when he was in the Shield, and people wanted him to win the RR in 2014, but once it was obvious that he was going to get a monster push, and beat Brock Lesnar for the title at WM31, you all turned on him.

Alternatively, you all love Daniel Bryan, but he never got a decent run with the belt, because of injury. If he had held the belt for months last year, you would have turned on him as well, since it means that WWE are behind him.

The fact is, once you discover that WWE endorses someone for a main event push, you refuse to get behind it. I believe it is because you people are so petty, that you can't be seen to agree with Vince, Triple H or Steph on the worth of a guy. In the minds of the smarks, you are always right, and Vince, Triple H and Steph are wrong, every single time.

It is like how you can't praise WWE for anything they are doing currently. Because they would mean that those on the top might know what they are talking about. That won't do for the lot of you who think you could run WWE better. You credit every success to WWE as a superstar getting themselves over, circumstances etc, but never Vince's creativity and promotion.

Want more proof? C.M. Punk. For years, Punk was loved by the fans. He got his push MITB 2011, when he threatened to leave the company, and was white hot. However, during his subsequent 15-month title reign, some turned on him, because he is supposed to be an underdog, not champion- like most of you. He was only to hope to be champion, not succeed, like most of you can only hope to succeed in your own lives.

Now, Punk is loved again, because he is anti-WWE. So when he is against the company, the "rebel" you love him. But any modicum of success, and they are no longer "your guy".

Now I have it figured out. WWE should never openly endorse any superstar. Just trick the fans into thinking they created the star, like they have been deluding themselves for years, so that the smarks feel that they are doing one thing worthwhile with their lives.

 

[TheICChampion]

It's mostly just a few people who legitimately don't like "the company's guys" as you put it, and a bunch of people who follow their lead because they've never been taught to think for themselves or they think that if they follow what the "cool" guy is saying/doing, they'll be cool too. As far as who the "company guys" are now, that being Cena and Reigns, I can legitimately say, as far as Cena goes, I don't hate the guy, I just think he's boring. I respect him for all he's done, I just don't care for him. As for Reigns, I'm someone who's actually a fan, but I can also see the POV of people who say he's being pushed solely because he's a big guy and he isn't ready for it. I do agree it gets annoying, though. Look at all the people who were saying Orton should turn face. I'd give it another month tops before people are saying "Orton's boring as a face he needs to turn heel" yada yada yada. Keep in mind these people are the same ones who get on Big Show's case for turning as often as he does. *Sigh* Sorry for going off like that, but all I'm saying is I can see your frustration while also being able to look at the other side of the coin sometimes.

 

[BenChillin]

See, you got a lot of this wrong. That's your perception of us. I'll explain my reasoning which is probably similar to a bunch of people here. Keep in mind I'm 31 years old and have been enjoying wrestling weekly since WM 12 and watched a LOT before that Saturday mornings around the Warrior/Hogan/MachoMan era which drew me in as a kid. It was a big part of the late 80s society in my world.

So I was fan and knew my shit. Attitude Era and all that happened when I was in high school. Great timing for me to enjoy it. Being introduced to WCW and ECW because of free pay per views due to a blackbox being hooked up to our cable box. It was great. Taught me about other federations. That there was a world outside of WWE. I saw Sid Vicious powerbombing people in ECW. The same guy that turned his back on Hogan years ago in WWF. Naturally that led to more ECW. Which led to more quality wrestling and learning about it through that and WCW cruiserweights. Then I remembered reading those Pro Wrestling Illustrateds when my mom was grocery shopping as a kid. I revisited them with my new teenage wrestling knowledge only to learn much more about quality wrestling. Reading about these independent feds. Shit I even remember reading about The Prototype John Cena in OVW thinking "this guy has a look to be big" and here we are way too much later. So then the internet happened. Search engines. Reading even more about indies and quality wrestling and japan since this was pre-youtube and pre-torrents. Eventually you could download video files. Holy shit I learned a lot.

Then I just had to go see an indy show. IWA-MidSouth. First main event was Bryan Danielson vs Chris Hero. After that it was Ring Of Honor. Punk & Ace Steel vs Dan Maff & BJ Whitmer. It was a weapon crazy match where WE GOT TO THROW OUR CHAIRS IN THE RING. JUST LIKE I SAW ON ECW. I was 20 years old then. That was ill as fuck. Not to mention ALL the matches before that. That's when they had the Pure Title. My next ROH was the one with Joe vs Punk 2 that ended in a 60 minute draw. I accidentally saw a 5 star match. This is after seeing Joe, Punk, and lots of other ROH guys like Austin Aries, Low Ki, Danielson, Jay Lethal, Claudio, AJ Styles, etc. often in IWA-MS. The indies were FUCKING AMAZING. How are these guys not on TV getting paid!??!??!?!!?!

Now they finally are. Took a long fucking time but they are. I mean, Tyler Black is the world champion. NXT is like a WWE version of the best of the indies. FOR ONCE it's fucking cool to enjoy WWE for good shit. I followed a bunch of these guys careers by accident just cause I like wrestling and they made it. Some like CM Punk didn't have to change their style. Dude still has his fuckin name. Daniel Bryan headlined a wrestlemania and won. NXT is doing the Generico vs Steen feud AGAIN but WWE style. They got Devitt and Kenta. Samoa Joe is finally on the horizon. It's exciting for us "internet fans."

So when a bum who didn't really work and develop much gets "put into position" cause he's cute, marketable, and related to someone, you kinda get angry.

In their heads they have these big future "dream matches" like Reigns vs Cena and.... nothing else AT ALL on the main roster. Meanwhile, I'm here waiting for fucking Cesaro to finally make it and for Ambrose not to be a cartoon character.

It's not about WWE being behind people for us to hate them. It's for the bullshit they do with what they have. WWE does a lot off look instead of just talent. They have their own wrestling "style" for fucks sake.

Miz was wack as fuck day one to me. Still gets the fast forward. Sheamus was forcefed to us and given the main title quick. He eventually became a Totino's pizzaroll box. But then I saw his match with Cesaro at the pay per view a couple months ago which made me a fan of his style. Now he's actually interesting with this aggressive underdog chasing heel gimmick. Ziggler is a WWE produced product that can't make it past mid card for some reason. Then we've seen Orton and Big Show be bland for so long.

Really, the only hope in site is like an "Athletic Era" where we can get good matches from these wrestlers that actually wrestle good matches.

 

[MWRedskins]

I have suspected for a while why the "smarks" don't like particular WWE superstars, John Cena, Sheamus, the Miz and love others- Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler etc.

But my suspicions were confirmed leading up to "Wrestlemania" when Roman Reigns couldn't buy a cheer, when he had been loved when in the Shield.

I call it "the company guy tag".

honestly, i think for some it's different while for other it is the company guy tag, for others it's not. when it comes to me, i feel like (and still feel like) WWE blew Reigns by having him win the rumble when Bryan came back in THAT match. the fans wouldn't have minded if Bryan would've say, been out until after Wrestlemania, but they brought him back at the rumble only to have their dreams of Bryan having a real title run dashed.

for me, i like Reigns and didnt mind seeing him as champion, but i wanted a cash in at WM so badly and felt that (if Bryan was able to return) he should've fought Lesnar only to lose to Rollins (and put MAJOR heat on Rollins).

As for Cena, my only with Cena that i had is 1) WAY too many WWE title runs and 2) i dislike when Cena tries to be funny as usually it's too kiddie friendly and makes any joke he says, sound lame. i like him now that he's holding a mid card title as i feel that he's better in that role (now) because other guys need a push now.

As for The Miz, i never loved his heel character, but i never hated it...my issue with Miz were mainly that he got a push over Punk (who i thought was SO much better than Miz), but other than that, i had no issues with him.

 

[kumarjtk]

its 100% true. the only reason to hate roman is bcoz he is hand picked by wwe. those who told he is not ready for main event are stupid reason. he has all ability to became a champion.

 

[Navi]

Maybe the reason some wrestler's get boo'd is just because fans don't like them, have you ever thought of that novel concept. I myself am not a fan of Bray Wyatt and Sheamus, can't stand the pair of them. Not because of any push they've had or haven't had, I just find them off putting for some reason. When they are announced at a show, I don't boo them I just don't do anything sit there quietly.

I loved the Shield, still do, but even there I have my favourite and it's Dean Ambrose. I like the way he acts on the mic and the unpredictability factor he brings to the ring.

WWE fans are like the wrestler's on the roster, they are all individual's. If you take 25 people who have never watched RAW before and sat them down, questioned them afterwards about who they liked and didn't like, you would get different answers from all of them. Half might like Cena, half might like Bryan and so on and so forth. It's down to each person's personal taste of what they like and don't like.

The WWE in a way pushes all their wrestlers, some just get a bigger push than other's. They wouldn't be on TV if they weren't being featured in some manner. They are all company guys, so by your reasoning we should hate all of them, but we don't. I don't get why you seem to hate the fans as much as you do, if we all up and decided to stop watching the WWE tomorrow they wouldn't be around. We fans by watching, going to the shows, buying the merchandise, and buying whatever products sponsor them, is keeping them in business.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

In the cases of some fans, I'd say that it's probably true. If you look at some of the reactions some wrestlers get once it gets out that they're held in high regard by the powers that be if they happen to have a great look, then there's definitely some weight to the argument and it can be applied to some fans. After all, there are some fans who like think that they're edgy or somehow cool, that have some adolescent sense of rebellion by striking back against the big, evil, soulless corporation and hating on certain wrestlers is a way for them to do it.

I also agree with the notion that just because WWE is the big ol' corporate entity, they're not always the bad guy in every situation. Whenever someone comes out with a complaint about how they were used, criticize how they were booked, making accusations about this or that, etc. WWE's not always the side that's 100% at fault; I do know that's the mentality of a good deal of fans, some so called writers and even some journalists that're part of the mainstream media. When WWE makes a business decision that has some sort of negative effect on some wrestlers, some fans are always quick to jump down the company's collective throat because the powers that be run it like a business instead of some charity or fantasy league where EVERYONE always gets their turn.

However, as usual, someone appoints themselves, in this case the OP, as the spokesman for ALL fans by lumping them ALL together while presenting his opinion as fact. It's FAR, FAR, FAR too simplistic to say something like "well, the reason any fans boo Roman Reigns is because management likes him." As I alluded to, there's probably some truth in that when it comes to some fans, but applying it to every fan is just another crutch to lean on. As someone else mentioned, how about the possibility that there are some fans who just simply aren't into some of those wrestlers that has nothing to do with management?

I mean, for instance, just like the OP isn't into Daniel Bryan maybe because he's just not into his persona, doesn't care for his personality, doesn't care for how he's booked, etc., why can't the same thing be true for fans who boo and have booed guys like John Cena, Randy Orton, Triple H, Batista, Roman Reigns and various others? In the cases of Cena and Orton, a lot of fans are burned out on them being at the top, some fans have thought that Triple H and Batista are dull as diswhwater inside the ring and constantly harp on Triple H playing politics backstage while ignoring that their all time favorites have done or tried to do the same thing, some fans think Roman Reigns has little to no charisma to speak of and just isn't remotely as special as WWE tries to hype him.


Here's the thing about being a "company guy" that some people forget about or conveniently overlook: if you're someone that succeeds in WWE and makes it to the top, it's because there's enough support among company management who have faith in you because of the money you help make, how many tickets you help sell to house shows, TV tapings & ppv events, how many people tune into watch your promo or match segments on television each week. Some go the route that CM Punk in that they've made a ton of money, leave for whatever reason, rake WWE over the coals for this and that, complain about this and that while taking the big paycheck and ultimately doing what they're told anyway. The Undertaker's a company guy, Shawn Michaels is a company guy so why don't fans rage against them because of it?

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

Sheamus- He was brought into the company by Triple H, so is seen as only getting his push because of Triple H. So smarks hate him, forcing his recent heel turn. Same with Batista.

Nobody forced Sheamus to anything, he had semi- succesfull run as face after initial heel persona. Batista was 2nd or 3rd face of WWE for years right after Cena. You even had meme about that time when he does his "boom-boom-boom" entrance and unlocks unlimited title shots and nobody was bothered by him for years. At the end of carreer he turned heel and after he came back as face and WWE saw that Batista- Orton wont work at Mania without somebody like Danyel Bryan.

You can even add Wyatt or Rollins as "company guys" and nobody bothered. Because evethough they push them to the moon they are not shubbing them at our throats and do that carefully. And because of that it works. Cena and Reigns are pushed to the moon obviously even if there arent any reasoning in it(like giving Reigns Superstar of the year award) and thats why people dont like it too much. Cant see too much hate about Cena now when he is US Champ and semi-out of maineventing. Or even Reigns when he is out of Mania main event because, you see, he even got cheers on events now. Its only done when people think that WWE is pushing too hard for somebody undeserving who fans dont like too much in that time of push.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

They are all pretty much company guys. Fans do things for different reasons but overall they just want to be entertained. If a guy who doesn't entertain enough gets put in a spot where they thing a more entertaining guy belongs the fans will boo that decision by booing that guy. The rest of us just watch or do something else.

 

[GeminiGarlord]

Nah, the most over face champion has been Brock Lesnar lately, and he is tots a uberpaid company "sponsored" guy.

People like what they like and making such broad statements is useless. For example I think Reigns is the blandest thing ever, but I quite like Cena when he is suported by logical writing and booking.

 

[OYDK]

It's not just the "company guys" as you put it, both Dolph Ziggler and Daniel Bryan have lost a ton of momentum (at least in my opinion) since Wrestlemania. I don't think the majority of fans are that invested in the superstars of today's era (myself included). Personally, I watch the product, but the only talents I'd say I'm truly invested in are Bray Wyatt and Dean Ambrose, both for very different reasons. The rest can rise up or drop down the card, and I can't say I'd really care. Whereas during the Atittude Era I watched because I couldn't wait to see guys like HHH, The Rock, Stone Cold, Taker, Kane, etc. now I mainly watch for the show as a whole.

Of course there are guys like Sheamus, Luke Harper, Seth Rollins, etc. who I feel are great as well, but I can't say I'd be heartbroken if any of them weren't pushed to the moon.

Again, I don't think it has to do with company guys vs indie guys. It's more like the fans are invested in somebody until they finally achieve their end goal, and than it's on to the next big thing. That's not necessarily the fault of the fans, but more the fault of WWE and the talent for not being able to keep the fans invested. If somebody could remain fresh and over for more than a year, than perhaps the fans would care about them for more than a program.

 

[Wald]

There are always going to be people who boo the goodie two shoes, pushed to the moon hero and I'm one of them. I didn't like Hulk Hogan when I was eight years old, I didn't like Shawn Michaels when I was 15 years old and I didn't like John Cena when I was 28 years old. It's a part of some of us to want to the underdog to win and seeing Hogan or Cena overcome the odds time and time again just pisses us off. It goes beyond wrestling too as I wanted Darth Vader to defeat Luke Skywalker, wanted the Decepticons to kick the Autobots ass and really, really like seeing Manchester United get beaten at football.

Incidentally I like Cena now, loved Hollywood Hogan and was a huge fan of HBK before his babyface title run in 1996. Nothing to do with raging against the WWE machine, I just hate being told that I have to worship someone who is getting handed everything to them.

 

[FromGlasgow]

I think a lot of fans will only turn on someone being pushed to a main event level if its too early or they feel they don't deserve it as having not really paid any dues, You could say Daniel Bryan was the company guy at last years wrestlemania and if not for his injury may have went on to dominate the world title scene for the rest of the year, Steve Austin was the main company guy of the attitude era one of the most popular times of WWE even though storyline wise was the opposite and never heard anyone booing his wins and Hulk Hogan before that I know he still had his share of critics but watching him live or on TV I never heard any boos for the guy applause and excitement was the biggest I had seen when Hogan walked out, Even going back to the Bruno Sammartino days I heard stories of rioting when he lost.
All those guys in my opinion have paid their dues beforehand and deserved the world title but for me anyway guys like Cena and Reigns sort of appeared from nowhere and was pushed to world title level, I'm not saying either is not talented I just think fans can resent someone if they feel dues hadn't been paid hence all the Cena sucks chants early in his career and Reigns being the least liked world championship contender I had ever known.