Tensai: What Happened?

WWE clearlygave up on the gimmick a while ago. He went from beating Cena to falling over and being embarrassed by Santino in a bizzare sketch on Raw. If he isn't released I say have him flip out and drop the gimmick and wrestle under his real name. He can cut a promo saying he is tired of being a gimmick and from nw on we will see the real him.
 
I believe the fall of Tensai is a mixture of both WWE's fault and Tensai's fault. On one hand, why would WWE bring back a man from Japan who was at the top of his game, one of the best Japan had at the time, only to stop the push? He has fallen into obscurity. To be fair, WWE gave him a good build, with the vignettes, but when he debuted, it was squash match after squash match. Yes, it worked out for Ryback in the end, but he's a face. WWE seem to believe that when a big guy debuts, illogical and careless squash matches are popular with the crowds. They're not. They get boring. Yes, initially one or two, but even Tensai's first against Alex Riley ended oddly. His mini-feud with John Cena sucked, let's all be honest, but since then, he hasn't done anything except shorten his name. I prefer Lord Tensai.

But, on the other hand, it is sort of Tensai's fault as well. Why would he accept a contract to portray a gimmick that wouldn't get him over. Yes, he is a machine, a great in-ring worker, but come on. We all know who Tensai is. His first match received Albert chants. Says it all. For those that remember him, it was hard at first to adjust, but after a while it was OK. But he was doing the same thing over and over again. The same ten years ago. The only difference was that he looked different. But too different. It looks good on paper, but be honest. Exclude Kane and The Undertaker because they're legends in the WWE, Tensai was very far fetched compared to WWE's current guy. He sticks out like a sore thumb and thus, didn't go down well.

I only hope he realises how far he has fallen and that he gets out of his current contract now and go back to Japan. And that isn't because I don't want him to see him in the WWE, it's because I want to see him succeed. He is a really good in-ring competitor who has improved by leaps and bounds since the early 2000's. But, he's being wasted. Go back Tensai, go back to somewhere that they will expose your talent rather than hide it.
 
You are discussing the face vs heel psychology of the match, which has nothing to do with what we've been talking about - which has been about kayfabe, and how causal fans don't read outside of it if the booking is good enough. Instead of pushing the character as "Lord Tensai" creative pushed him as "the guy that used to work for us, but he went to Japan and came back." Instant recipe for failure.

The argument that the character Tensai was destined to fail because it was a fat white guy playing an Asian is as ******ed as saying the character Yokozuna wasn't believable because it was really a fat Hawaiian in a loin cloth.

No I'm discussing the fact that you and the other guy were debating on whether or not Hogan was fitting for Japan because of his style and the answer is yes... Hogan's match style and gimmick is almost tailor-made to be huge in Japan. His no-sell ability, the fact that he looked like a roided up barbarian, and had larger than life abilities made him awe-inspiring for the Japanese market when he was there.

But imagine if Hogan went to Japan for a while back in his heyday and came back and the WWF tried to push him as if he was Japanese... It would get shit on, even by the fans back then. That's the point being made; stop being so dense and confrontational just for the sake of being.

Also, Yokozuna played his role well and AT LEAST had a manager that had long ago connected with the fans in Mr. Fuji. He looked at least close to the part... Tensai doesn't look even REMOTELY Asian. It was an even worse pullover than when the One Man Gang tried to be Akeem.
 
No I'm discussing the fact that you and the other guy were debating on whether or not Hogan was fitting for Japan because of his style and the answer is yes... Hogan's match style and gimmick is almost tailor-made to be huge in Japan.

No, you were trying to turn the discussion into an argument about moves, which has nothing to with the booking process - in either the States or Japan.

His no-sell ability, the fact that he looked like a roided up barbarian, and had larger than life abilities made him awe-inspiring for the Japanese market when he was there.

Did you just say that Hogan couldn't sell? Really? Did you watch any of his matches in the 70's or 80's, or are you just going off the few times he happened to sandbag someone in his 40+ year career. The "hulk up" was theatrical only.

But imagine if Hogan went to Japan for a while back in his heyday and came back and the WWF tried to push him as if he was Japanese... It would get shit on, even by the fans back then. That's the point being made; stop being so dense and confrontational just for the sake of being.

Something being shit on and eventually getting over and becoming successful are two different things. Look at Undertaker's gimmick when he he first appeared. How many people do you think thought "does this guy really think he's a zombie? And why should we care?" But things don't work that way because of kayfabe.

Casual fans do not think outside of kayfabe unless the booking is terrible. Tensai had terrible booking and fans didn't take him seriously.

Also, Yokozuna played his role well and AT LEAST had a manager that had long ago connected with the fans in Mr. Fuji. He looked at least close to the part... Tensai doesn't look even REMOTELY Asian. It was an even worse pullover than when the One Man Gang tried to be Akeem.

You need to learn the differences between kayfabe realism and actual realism like that other guy.
 
Tensai was never meant to be on top. He was always going to be an obstacle for Cena or some other megaface to overcome. He was going to fall eventually.
 
Well, I suppose last night's spot answers whatever questions we had about Tensai's future as a serious competitor in WWE, no? On the one hand, I kind of enjoyed the change of pace skit more than I thought I would, but if anyone is supposed to take him seriously after this, I'm wondering how.

Can you imagine how Matt Bloom feels about all this? The plans to bring him back to WWE were probably filled with the hope and excitement that new gimmicks command.....only to wind up with Dance Fever staged in women's underwear.

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Well, I suppose last night's spot answers whatever questions we had about Tensai's future as a serious competitor in WWE, no? On the one hand, I kind of enjoyed the change of pace skit more than I thought I would, but if anyone is supposed to take him seriously after this, I'm wondering how.

Can you imagine how Matt Bloom feels about all this? The plans to bring him back to WWE were probably filled with the hope and excitement that new gimmicks command.....only to wind up with Dance Fever staged in women's underwear.

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He looked like he was actually having fun during the skit. It was quite entertaining. Who knew he had personality.

That said, it's clear Hell No is in the process of breaking up. They're going to need a team to fill the void for face tag team. Having Broadus and Tensai as a face comedy tag team could actually work, and work quite well. Albert has always been at his best as part of a tag team anyways.

And before anybody says "But they need to be more serious!", Think about it, every tag team they have that's worth a shit has a comedy element to them.

As far as Matt Bloom being happy... He's making good money wrestling without having to travel halfway around the world for months at a time. He's got a family here. I'm sure he'll deal. Hell, he's probably happy he doesn't have to be so serious anymore.
 
Ok, I just finished reading this thread, and for the most part I was agreeing with a little bit of this, a little bit of that, and I'll give my thoughts below. But first, I have to deal with this little bit of insanity.

Steve Austin - started as The Ringmaster; repackaged as Stone Cold - huge success.

Kane - started as a Dentist with bad teeth; repackaged as Undy's demented brother - huge success.

Ron Killings - started as K-kwik; repackaged as R-truth - big success.

Christian - like Albert never amounted to anything during his first run, went to TNA, came back and did much better.

Your logic doesn't hold any water...

Echelon, you were making some decent arguments for most of this thread. I didn't necessarily agree with all of them but you were staying on track. This little piece of bullshit above was clearly pulled out of your ass though, and here is why. The point you were replying to was about superstars that left WWE to go to another company, established themselves as stars there, and then came back to WWE repackaged as someone completely different. Now go back and look at those four examples. Go ahead, I'll wait.

See the problem? R-Truth is the closest one I can give you, because he did come back from TNA under a different name. The character itself isn't a whole lot different from what he has already portrayed (and I mean the character he returned with not the insane imaginary-friend having character he later morphed into).

Christian was mediocre in WWE, largely because he was overshadowed by Edge. He went to TNA, became a champion, and came back as...the exact same guy he left as. He wasn't repackaged, he wasn't changed, he was just moved a little higher on the card. Hell, he even brought back the peep-show as soon as he came back.

Steve Austin. Did you really misunderstand the point so badly? Steve Austin did not play the Ringmaster, leave the company, find success elsewhere, then return as Stone Cold. The Stone Cold character had it's roots in ECW, before Austin ever came to WWE. Stunning Steve was fired from WCW and he let it all hang out when he went to ECW, drinking beers and flipping off the cameras, letting Eric Bischoff know exactly what he thought of the situation. When he came to WWE, they thought that his ECW character wouldn't fit with their programming so they saddled him with Ted Dibiase, the million-dollar belt, and the Ringmaster gimmick. When Dibiase jumped ship for WCW Austin dropped the goofy ring name and the belt, and slowly transitioned into the Stone Cold character he was more comfortable with. It's not like it just got handed to him upon a return to the company.

And Kane. The man who has been in the WWE longer than anyone on the roster that isn't named Undertaker...yes, he has been successfully repackaged better than perhaps anyone they've ever had. How did they do it? They put him in a freaking mask for six years. When Kane ripped the door off of the cell and tombstoned Undertaker, not a single person in the crowd was chanting "Isaac Yankem!" or "brush your teeth!" because no one in the crowd knew who he was. By the time people figured it out, Kane was established, his backstory was established, and Isaac Yankem was a distant memory.

Actually, the best case you could have made would have been Mick Foley. Although he had never been in the WWE at the time, he had made a modest name for himself as Cactus Jack in WCW and ECW. So when he debuted in WWE as Mankind, there was potential that the fans would shit all over it. The thing was, he was good enough at playing the character and making it believable that he get the fans to buy into it, and had his greatest success as Mankind. Sure, today we look at Mankind, Cactus Jack, and Dude Love as just extensions of Foley, but at the time he was 100% invested in that one character, and it worked.

Matt Bloom is a talented wrestler for his size. He is a hell of a lot better than he was back in the Albert/A-Train days. But the Tensai gimmick is stupid, because he can't pull it off. Part of that is because as Tensai he isn't supposed to show any emotion except for rage (when he loses) so he is forced to play it like some kind of wrestling machine. This means he can't even try to connect with the audience, even as a heel, so all that they are left with is watching the guy that used to be Albert pretend to be this Japanese machine. That is really where it fell apart. He was gone for a few years, sure, and a lot of the kids probably didn't know who he was, but anyone that was watching wrestling just ten years ago was going to recognize him instantly.

Watch his first match, and from the very start the crowd was chanting "Albert" at him...and he couldn't do anything about it. Responding to the chants would take him out of character, but acting like they weren't there eliminated his one chance to start building that connection with the audience. Hell, one promo where he denounced the Albert name, explained that he had earned the Tensai name through his dominance in Japan, and belittled the crowd for holding on to an inferior past rather than embracing the superiority that...is...TENSAI!!! could have had a huge impact on his current run. Instead, we got a whole bunch of nothing (and a lot of him beating up Sakamoto, cause who doesn't like seeing a small Japanese man get bullied)?

The segment last night is actually the best thing that could have happened to Tensai. He got to show a little bit of personality, and for the first time he connected. Yes, it was embarrassing, yes he probably deserves better...except it probably saved his career with WWE, if they can capitalize on it and find a way to push him as a face. But that will only work if he builds on that fan connection, if he embraces his inner Albert, and if he shows that he is more than just a machine.
 
Ok, I just finished reading this thread, and for the most part I was agreeing with a little bit of this, a little bit of that, and I'll give my thoughts below. But first, I have to deal with this little bit of insanity.



Echelon, you were making some decent arguments for most of this thread. I didn't necessarily agree with all of them but you were staying on track. This little piece of bullshit above was clearly pulled out of your ass though, and here is why. The point you were replying to was about superstars that left WWE to go to another company, established themselves as stars there, and then came back to WWE repackaged as someone completely different. Now go back and look at those four examples. Go ahead, I'll wait.

See the problem? R-Truth is the closest one I can give you, because he did come back from TNA under a different name. The character itself isn't a whole lot different from what he has already portrayed (and I mean the character he returned with not the insane imaginary-friend having character he later morphed into).

Christian was mediocre in WWE, largely because he was overshadowed by Edge. He went to TNA, became a champion, and came back as...the exact same guy he left as. He wasn't repackaged, he wasn't changed, he was just moved a little higher on the card. Hell, he even brought back the peep-show as soon as he came back.

Steve Austin. Did you really misunderstand the point so badly? Steve Austin did not play the Ringmaster, leave the company, find success elsewhere, then return as Stone Cold. The Stone Cold character had it's roots in ECW, before Austin ever came to WWE. Stunning Steve was fired from WCW and he let it all hang out when he went to ECW, drinking beers and flipping off the cameras, letting Eric Bischoff know exactly what he thought of the situation. When he came to WWE, they thought that his ECW character wouldn't fit with their programming so they saddled him with Ted Dibiase, the million-dollar belt, and the Ringmaster gimmick. When Dibiase jumped ship for WCW Austin dropped the goofy ring name and the belt, and slowly transitioned into the Stone Cold character he was more comfortable with. It's not like it just got handed to him upon a return to the company.

And Kane. The man who has been in the WWE longer than anyone on the roster that isn't named Undertaker...yes, he has been successfully repackaged better than perhaps anyone they've ever had. How did they do it? They put him in a freaking mask for six years. When Kane ripped the door off of the cell and tombstoned Undertaker, not a single person in the crowd was chanting "Isaac Yankem!" or "brush your teeth!" because no one in the crowd knew who he was. By the time people figured it out, Kane was established, his backstory was established, and Isaac Yankem was a distant memory.

Actually, the best case you could have made would have been Mick Foley. Although he had never been in the WWE at the time, he had made a modest name for himself as Cactus Jack in WCW and ECW. So when he debuted in WWE as Mankind, there was potential that the fans would shit all over it. The thing was, he was good enough at playing the character and making it believable that he get the fans to buy into it, and had his greatest success as Mankind. Sure, today we look at Mankind, Cactus Jack, and Dude Love as just extensions of Foley, but at the time he was 100% invested in that one character, and it worked.

Matt Bloom is a talented wrestler for his size. He is a hell of a lot better than he was back in the Albert/A-Train days. But the Tensai gimmick is stupid, because he can't pull it off. Part of that is because as Tensai he isn't supposed to show any emotion except for rage (when he loses) so he is forced to play it like some kind of wrestling machine. This means he can't even try to connect with the audience, even as a heel, so all that they are left with is watching the guy that used to be Albert pretend to be this Japanese machine. That is really where it fell apart. He was gone for a few years, sure, and a lot of the kids probably didn't know who he was, but anyone that was watching wrestling just ten years ago was going to recognize him instantly.

Watch his first match, and from the very start the crowd was chanting "Albert" at him...and he couldn't do anything about it. Responding to the chants would take him out of character, but acting like they weren't there eliminated his one chance to start building that connection with the audience. Hell, one promo where he denounced the Albert name, explained that he had earned the Tensai name through his dominance in Japan, and belittled the crowd for holding on to an inferior past rather than embracing the superiority that...is...TENSAI!!! could have had a huge impact on his current run. Instead, we got a whole bunch of nothing (and a lot of him beating up Sakamoto, cause who doesn't like seeing a small Japanese man get bullied)?

The segment last night is actually the best thing that could have happened to Tensai. He got to show a little bit of personality, and for the first time he connected. Yes, it was embarrassing, yes he probably deserves better...except it probably saved his career with WWE, if they can capitalize on it and find a way to push him as a face. But that will only work if he builds on that fan connection, if he embraces his inner Albert, and if he shows that he is more than just a machine.

You make good points, and I concede that top part has those weren't good examples. But the bold part reinforces the point I was originally trying to make - that creative just didn't know where to take the Tensai character or even how to book him. That might have something to do with Bloom as a performer, but not because he's a white guy trying to mimic the Japanese style. That's what I was trying to denounce as stupid.
 
I think he's done as far as having any kind of push. but he also probably makes more $$ jobbing than busting his ass in japan. They definitely don't go easy when they hit you in japanese wrestling either.
 
They took a guy who never got over or did anything relevent in the states the first time he was there, packaged him in an out dated gimik from the 80s and 90s and you are really asking this question?

Out of date gimik on a guy who never generated any buzz to begin with was doomed to failure from the start.
 
You make good points, and I concede that top part has those weren't good examples. But the bold part reinforces the point I was originally trying to make - that creative just didn't know where to take the Tensai character or even how to book him. That might have something to do with Bloom as a performer, but not because he's a white guy trying to mimic the Japanese style. That's what I was trying to denounce as stupid.

And I absolutely agree with that assessment. The problem is that these discussions tend to get so far off track that the arguments people are making have nothing to do with the actual point of the thread, and I think that was what happened in this case. But when it comes down to it, the gimmick was stupid, it was poorly conceived and poorly executed, and that is why it failed.

That being said, I find it interesting the direction he is taking now. Yeah, the dancing Tensai is silly, stupid, and undignified to say the least...but it also got him his first win in how long?
 
Tensai has got to be the LEAST over wrestler on the entire roster. He sucks ALL energy out of the room the second his music hits. WWE saddled him with a terrible gimmick and even worse execution, but when you're THAT big a dud, plenty of blame has to lie with the man himself. It was a perfect storm of suck.
 
But the thing is... he's not the same Albert that was released by the WWE. His ring skills are leaps beyond what he was putting out when he got released. That's not the issue; if anything that's what got him brought back in the first place.

WWE didn't put much effort into getting him over aside from giving him victories over two top stars, and we are in a time with wrestling where wins and losses don't mean shit unless you're constantly losing, and then you are no longer relevant. They threw together some half-ass video montages and gave him a couple of good wins and said "here you go"...

If you're going to give a guy a manager because he has troubles connecting with the crowd you better make damn sure that manager speaks English and has the ability to get his wrestler over. WWE failed to do that. That's on them.

Finally, his finisher was terri-terri-terrible. The claw hold hasn't been seen as devastating since the days of Kerry Von Erich, green mist in Tensai's palm or not...

WHAT skills? This man was a useless sack when he was Albert and has not grown any more talented with the wonderful years he was off our tv's and out of wwe. His only, and I mean ONLY redeeming trait was that he was part of T'n'A managed by Trish. Of the three who would have expected Trish to have a more lasting impact then both Test ann Albert combined. Remember Prince Albert, the hairy pierced 'monster'. His popularity in Japan was never going to translate over to the US market, and that's ok. WWE is a world wide business, and try to appeal to as many nations and fan bases as possible. They brought him in to try and bolster flagging Japanese interest, the same way they brought in and keep Khali for the Indian market.

As long as they are shown as being imposing and possible threats on their core broadcasts and then have more in ring success during their international based shows, the wwe will always keep a few modest talents with international appeal. And let's face it, the biggest(no pun intended) draw and focus for the Japanese audience they have ever been able to support was Yokozuna (and he was Samoan, not Japanese). There have been atttempts over the years to bring in Japanese talent, but they don't care enough to really push those external talents. Look at what they did with Jimmy Wang Yang, Yoshi Tatsu, and others. Even bringing in legends like Justin Liger, Ultimo Dragon, and others have died because the Japanese market and the American market have always had different perspectives on what is expected of their wrestling figures and personalities.

Its a fact of life and of wrestling. It's also part of the problem they've had with current stars like Sin Cara. Due to their stricter guidelines nad shorter match structures, he isn't being allowed to show his full skill set. There's also a different ring size and structure for him to struggle with and with the injury he suffered keeping out of action for what was it .... 7-8 months or so and another month or two being held out by a suspension, well that's going to impact his in ring work with a group of opponents who aren't familiar with his whole style and with a different core set of skills.

This applies to Tensai/Albert/Matt Bloom as well. It's easy to be a monster when you have several inches and 60+ lbs on pretty much all your opponents, but put that person in a group with similar size and strength, and their strengths (size/weight) are reduced and their weaknesses become more apparent. The reverse is also true, going back to Sin Cara for a moment. There aren't really a lot of the light/cruiser weight/style wrestlers in WWE anymore and while there are some larger wrestlers in Mexico, most fit that style if not that body type. This affect Cara as now he is fighting bigger/stronger opponents with a more grapple/strike based skill set then the aerial/acrobatic skill set he's been training in for most his life.

SO to get back on point, the lack of success on Bloom's part is that he just doesn't have the talent to back up the claims of his size/hype in comparison to others in his weight class/style. And that is what has lead to his so called bad booking as much as anything else. He simply doesn't have the talent or ability to hang with the core group so he is best used in the same type of role Kane did for almost 10yrs. A big, beefy threat that could potentially be believed as a short term champ or contender who is mostly used to bolster other talents as a 'named' jobber. Kane fell into that role after his core storylines with Taker around 2001-2 and only started coming out of it in 2011. Unfortunately for Bloom, he doesn't have the talent or charisma of Glen Jacobs.
 
Nothing happened, he gets paid a TON of money to do what he does, meanwhile none of you people make money from writing on an internet forum. So who really loses here? The answer is you.
 
Nothing happened, he gets paid a TON of money to do what he does, meanwhile none of you people make money from writing on an internet forum. So who really loses here? The answer is you.

Seriously dude? You took the time to find and then reply to a thread from three months ago, just to add your own special little blend of douchiness and asshattery, and you're calling other people losers? This is a discussion thread, which means that people come here to have discussions. If you need an explanation of the word discussion you might try Google or websters.com.

And to be on topic, I think the Sweet T gimmick kind of answers this thread.
 
I'm among the crowd that knew the gimmick would flop, who wasn't?
By what stretch of the imagination did wwe think it would work? Why didn't one person stop them in planning mode, and say "do you realize what your doing?"
HHH and Vince not seeing the failure in development is shocking. The Asian gimmick would not have worked for a new debuting superstar, let alone a superstar that most viewers remember as Albert or a-train. So, instead of repeating others good points, I have what I think to be the best possible
re-debut of Albert. What if...
On a random episode of raw, as the crowd is being shown have Albert sitting in the crowd in the 2nd/3rd row and show him just long enough for the viewers to recognize him, but not being given any acknowledgement by the announce team. As the show continues maybe allow him to be seen once or twice as an entering/leaving superstar comes or goes. Then as top face is doing a promo or a match is going have Albert jump the railing and squash the wrestlers. Then he could say something along the lines of "I've been watching wwe for a while, and I'm tired of the same old crap week in and out. I'm here to kick some ass, and become the most dominate star you've seen in years" or have him interrupt a John cena promo and ambush him from behind and say "I've waited for years to come and take over this show. I've been waiting for the right time, and my time is now. Your time is up cena!" Thus pleasing the cena-haters, potentially getting their backing.
I'm not sure he has the mic skills to pull it off, but for heavens sake it's a better idea than tensai. It would allow him to be a main event jobber, rather than a dancing Asian guy he's become. Thoughts?
 
I disagree with the Kane comparison because once a wrestler dawns a mask and no other characteristics stick out, like with Admiral America or whatever that dumb role Hogan was playin in the mask, that is always a fresh start. Your identity to some people will always be in doubt. By the time Kane was unmasked circa '01 he didn't look the same as Isaac Yankem and KANE had been firmly established.

The WWF and WCW had no problems making their fans forget about ThE Diamond Studd or Vinnie Vegas though when it was time to debut the Outsiders or Razor Ramon and Diesel. With the Rock he did not permit you to reference Rocky Maivia. Cena's early Rambo Vanilla iCE is different enough from his All-American hip hop jock role model gimmick to show evolution can take place. Maybe they chanted Goldberg when Ryback came out but no one chanted silly skip sheffield quotes. Luke Gallow's fmr role as a wrestler more handicapped then Eugene did not hurt the Strait Edge Society.

Tensai is with this crazy boogie group but I can still sense he doesnt want to completely be and thats how he has a way out if he wants to turn heel again. He is not too comfortable in his new role. It would take one outburst to get him back on track just like with Kane or Big Show or ADR.

I don't recall hearing the Albert chants but what does that matter if over 50 percent of the people don't know who that is? People chant because othr people are chanting, I remember Albert from the '90s and early 2000s but not to the point that it undermines him today. If you remember his silly of infamous moments or skits at this point in time that must make you an Albert freak..
 
He is not too comfortable in his new role.

You're basing that on what exactly? This isn't the first time he has been a "comedy" character. It was very forgettable but he was the "Hip Hop Hippo" with Too Cool for a while, and he embraced it back then just how he has embraced this "Sweet T" character.
 
His mannerisms make him seem like hes willing but that his blood might still be boiling. As long as he doesn't have too much fun and look like hes wrapped up in it he has a way out. He can lose his temper and regain heel steam. He is on dangerous footing though..

The Hip hop hippo is from over a decade ago maybe, just because some people remember it doesn't mean others will.
 
I like Tensai/A-Train he's the perfect example of a person that can be effective big man heel in the mid card. He looks scary, has big impact moves, and can be used as a utility very well. The problem with Tesnai is that well he's A-Train, you can repackage him all you want but people remember him as "Shave Your Back" A-Train. Also the gimmick kind of sucked, I wouldn't be a problem if he actually was Japanese but he was not.
 
Right, and the opinion of those who remember him from the beginning of his career in the WWE carries more weight than the opinions of those who do NOT remember.

If you remember him or anything before him your in a dwindling minority and you know this. If every last fan that watched him circa 1999 or 2000 was still here with you, me, and the other 20 to 30 somethings we'd still be in the Attitude Era and there would be no room at the shows for those brats I see everywhere.. come on..
shooter mcgavin said:
The problem with Tesnai is that well he's A-Train, you can repackage him all you want but people remember him as "Shave Your Back" A-Train. Also the gimmick kind of sucked, I wouldn't be a problem if he actually was Japanese but he was not.
Is Kevin Nash still Vinnie Vegas to you? Are you still waitin for Ryback to say "Yep yep, what it do!?" I think the bulk of people don't remember him which is all that matters. Its possible for him to go to Japan and make a transformation then come back, people transform in our sport. E&C in 2000 looked nothing like The Rated "R" Superstar or Captain Charisma.
 
If you remember him or anything before him your in a dwindling minority and you know this. If every last fan that watched him circa 1999 or 2000 was still here with you, me, and the other 20 to 30 somethings we'd still be in the Attitude Era and there would be no room at the shows for those brats I see everywhere.. come on.. Is Kevin Nash still Vinnie Vegas to you? Are you still waitin for Ryback to say "Yep yep, what it do!?" I think the bulk of people don't remember him which is all that matters. Its possible for him to go to Japan and make a transformation then come back, people transform in our sport. E&C in 2000 looked nothing like The Rated "R" Superstar or Captain Charisma.
Vinnie Vegas wasn't a very over character. Albert was. Shave your back and all that was memorable. Then you replace it with a pretty ridiculous gimmick and that's what people remember is the old one. Nothing wrong with a comedy wrestler. I'd rather be an over comedy wrestler than another snarling badass.
 

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