Super Cena Strikes Again

[Jack-Hammer]

If you're watching Extreme Rules, John Cena pretty much transformed into Super Cena before our eyes. He didn't win the match but, frankly, I don't really see how this victory does much for Bray Wyatt. There was so much interference from Harper & Rowan that they should've just made it a fucking 3on 1 handicap match from the beginning. There were probably a good half dozen times where Cena seemingly had Wyatt beaten only for him to be saved by Harper and/or Rowan.

We all might have expected it to come about this way but, for me, it doesn't make it suck any less. I've got no issues with heels cheating to win, that's what they're supposed to do after all. The match ended with another kid popping up and singing "He's Got The Whole World In His Hands" after Cena had laid out all Wyatt Family members. It distracted him and let Wyatt hit Sister Abigail before calmly strolling through the cage door. While Wyatt won the match, WWE management did what they almost always do: they protect Cena to such an absurd degree, overcoming an absolutely absurd amount of interference that it's almost as if Wyatt lost despite officially winning the match. WWE's done this countless times with top heels against Cena. Again, it's not that Wyatt cheated, it's that Cena was made to look so invincible that he was able to overcome an entire faction, only to wind up losing in what amounts to a flukey sort of way.

 

[cam1126]

In spite of what you and other loons think, Cena is the cash cow and will always be protected. Besides, the ending continues the feud. If Cena lost cleanly, there would be no reason for him to continue with the Wyatt family. This way, the show goes on. AND, he will NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER EVER go heel so get that thought out of your head forever.

 

[Kris Benwa]

I hope this thread gets thrown in the trash. Give me a break Cena loses the match and we're still going to make stupid threads talking bad about everything. Check out the first reply. Why would you let your number 1 guy get beat clean all the time? Why would they end the feud now when it just got raised up another level last week? I hope you never run a wrestling company because you probably wouldn't make any money because you wouldn't have any top guy because you'd let everybody lose clean all the time. You wouldn't have any long term storylines because...everybody would get beat clean all the time and there would be no point in continuing the feud. I don't see what the problem is here. Did you expect John Cena, the biggest name in the business today, to get squashed?

 

[crytista]

More Super Cena threads, there should be a Cena Section seriously. Cena breaths Air so lets make a thread about it. As long as kids are making WWE lots of money he is NOT going to lose legitimately EVER.

 

[HORRORHOLIC]

Wyatt is a heel so it doesn't bother me that he used interference to win.

 

[laodaron]

Cena should have been allowed to win that match after the piece of shit smark crowd. That dude takes abuse for winning and for losing.

 

[James2293]

I agree with jack-hammer. I understand cena is #1, but come on it took 3 men and a kid to beat him. Every 5 mins escape cage/ interference. Its reminiscent of nwo days

 

[Dan Severn's Moustache]

More Super Cena threads, there should be a Cena Section seriously. Cena breaths Air so lets make a thread about it. As long as kids are making WWE lots of money he is NOT going to lose legitimately EVER.

You do realise how wrong and utterly ridiculous this statement is, right? Cena has lost legitimately quite a few times before as the top babyface in the company. Are you suffering from amnesia, or are you just a cretin?

As for the actual thread, it wasn't as good as the Wrestlemania match, but they had the steel cage match, which rarely helps in making a match better nowadays, especially seeing as it's been overshadowed by other enclosures. I thought the ending was perfect; Cena can beat Wyatt and the Family, but he can't defeat the fact that his fans are succumbing to Wyatt's influence, but the demonic voice is far too stupid.

I can see your point about Cena being made to look too strong in defeat, but at the same time, that's what his character has always been about when facing the odds, and it's necessary to keep the Cena character as strong as he possibly can be to keep the monopoly intact.

 

[rbv13]

Thank God they are booking Bray like they are. It is refreshing to see a "heel" actually acting like a "heel." The match and the program between the two is a result of classic old school booking. The heel is going to cheat and the baby face it going to look strong in an attempt to over come those odds.

 

[kadroan]

I'm guessing creative has more ideas with this feud that goes beyond Extreme Rules. Hopefully, it ends at Payback. I really can't see what else Cena/Wyatt can do.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

Wasnt that good match as Wrestlemania one, Cena was Cena Bray was as creepy as always and ending was a bit ridiculous but it fits the story...

Again, it's not that Wyatt cheated, it's that Cena was made to look so invincible that he was able to overcome an entire faction, only to wind up losing in what amounts to a flukey sort of way.

Could be worst, at least Cena lost which is rarely even happening.

And that win alone does give some credibility to Bray. Even if Cena was in SuperCena mod at his finest...

 

[N!CKALAS CAGE]

I thought the ending was great. It opens the door for the feud to continue. If Wyatt just went over clean, what what be the point for the angle to continue.

Cena is protected I'll admit, but that makes a win over him regardless of outside inference mean a lot. They have already booked Wyatt in way that beating Cena in the ring doesn't matter as much as beating Cena psychologically.

 

[Rampage Bentley]

I have to agree with Jack Hammer here...

The issue is not at all that Bray needed to cheat, it's that the match was booked to constantly remind you that without interference, Cena would have won the match twenty times over... honestly, the booking made Cena look awful as well. The way he froze with fear because Harper and Rowan were on the outside, despite the fact that he took all three of them out later in the match, just to be foiled by a small boy wearing a judge's robe.

Would it really have hurt to give Bray a straight up win? Does WWE creative really think so lowly of Cena where one relatively clean loss to an up and comer would destroy his credibility?

Once again, I'm okay with Bray cheating, he's a heel but this was ridiculous. Probably the worst match on the main card and both guys came out looking like shit.

 

[laodaron]

Yes, it hurts bray to get the clean win in this match. A clean win destroys his steam.

This was the second best match on the card, only beat by shield and evolution.

 

[Reflection]

I think this case was a bit different...
Normally, when Cena loses unclean / via outside interference, the other wrestler doesn't gain anything from it (It doesn't matter what Cena fans say, but thats a fact).
But in this case, the story itself was that Bray Wyatt is manipulating Cena's strengths against him- the focus was on Bray Wyatt's manipulative abilities, as opposed to his wrestling abilities. So despite not being the better wrestler and not outmatching Cena by wrestling ability, Bray Wyatt used his mind games to his favour, turning the Little Jimmies against their icon, and I feel Wyatt has taken the upper hand at Extreme Rules.

 

[pepentorresHHH]

I agree with the ending of the match with Cena being able to beat Bray but ultimately succumbing to his "biggest fan" it goes to show how much The Wyatt Family has messed with his mind, the problem was getting there.
The match wasnt even 10 minutes long before the wyatt family started saving the match time after time after time. 1 or 2 times is fine but 5 times? It took 3 men to keep cena down and even then it was actually the little kid who was the deciding factor in the match.

A heel sometimes cheats to win but there was too much interference during the match

 

[Meth Head]

More Super Cena threads, there should be a Cena Section seriously. Cena breaths Air so lets make a thread about it. As long as kids are making WWE lots of money he is NOT going to lose legitimately EVER.

This post just makes me think about how sad it is that the WWE has to keep children happy just to rake in more cash these days. That must be quite a creative setback, not being able to push for certain moments or storylines because pre-teens may not like it.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

With all of that interference it was booked like a feud ending match and one that Cena should've won. Cena overcoming the odds and being victorious, all that jazz. As it stands Cena had the match won and Wyatt got a fluke victory. This doesn't help Wyatt, which must surely be the point in this feud. Unless the idea is to make Cena a mid-carder for a while so Bryan can flourish, which I somehow doubt.

 

[Eddie Menuek]

I didn't have too much of a problem with that aspect of the match. Cena has already proven that he's got the determination, guile and power to take down bigger and fresher armies, so why shouldn't we believe that he's doomed against three guys having already beaten the hell out of Bray Wyatt in the steel cage on one on one conditions, and more or less taking down Lupe Harper before Rowan had become a factor inside the cage?

My biggest problem with the match is that the psychology just didn't make any sense to me in regards to the buildup. Bray Wyatt wants to turn John Cena against his fans and John Cena's fans against John Cena, and him escaping from the cage very early in the match achieves that in what way? I scratched my head with confusion the moment that Bray tried to get out of the cage door. I was a little bit surprised they didn't run a spot where Bray more or less had Cena beat but refused to win the match with the easy method. Up until the finish, the match almost completely neglected the bizarre nature of Bray's character.

 

[Jericho91]

I honestly think we are witnessing a transitional period here for John Cena. The whole point of this bizarreness with Bray Wyatt using children against John is to spoil Johns mentality and motivation. If you think about it, John has granted the most wishes for the make a wish foundation. The majority of his hardcore fans are children. What better way to mess up John psychologically by seeing children become followers of the new buzzard. In the grand scheme of things this is a great way to see John go through the transition from FACE to HEEL. As the feud continues, we get to see how this story all unfolds. Then when John finally becomes HEEL. That's when this feud will end. The same way Kane's feud ended with Bray. We witnessed Kane's absence for a short period. When he came back, he wasn't the good guy anymore. He became the villain. Like John said, we live long enough to become the villain than to die a hero. This all makes perfect sense.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

My biggest problem with the match is that the psychology just didn't make any sense to me in regards to the buildup. Bray Wyatt wants to turn John Cena against his fans and John Cena's fans against John Cena, and him escaping from the cage very early in the match achieves that in what way?

I get this. But I've had an issue w/ cage matches ever since I was child. Even then I thought it was counter-intuitive that a feud between hated rivals would be settled in a steel cage (because its supposed to be "brutal" and free from interference), and then the two guys are going to try to get out of the cage.

The attempts to escape the cage can lead to great spots, but the entire concept of running away from your opponent never sat well with me.

 

[steve storm]

i totally agree with the first post and this is my feelings exactly. the way they protected super cena and made him look was ridiculous and even though bray won it was the most "unclean" victory i've seen in a long time. why does cena have to be like hogan and very rarerly do a job "clean" and properly? what harm would it do? if triple h/orton and other top guys can lose to help elevate others why won't cena? the ending was original and clever i'll give them that with little johnny (wonder if he's related to little jimmy?!) but having cena do his usual and beat up all 3 of them after they all interfered then just have bray win by walking out the cage does nothing to help wyatt and made it look as cheap as humanly possible. i can't stand cena or the way wwe protects him all the time. he'll only lose matches if it benefits him (or in the case of when he dropped the title to bryan last summerslam he was injured and he obviously knew what was going to happen after the match)

 

[Mongoose McQueen]

I enjoyed the match and overall think the feud still has legs. I don't get the hate for Cena tbh...at the end of the day, cleanly or not Wyatt walked out on top. Nothing else matters.

 

[FlairFan2003]

More Super Cena threads, there should be a Cena Section seriously. Cena breaths Air so lets make a thread about it. As long as kids are making WWE lots of money he is NOT going to lose legitimately EVER.

Actually, Cena has cleanly put over Randy Orton, CM Punk, RVD, and Rock has he not ? Cena has "put over" far more talent than Hogan ever did!!!

Also, Wyatt's whole character is one based on cheating and gang warfare. He is the ultimate cowardly conman, he's not a HHH type heel (legit top tier wrestler who cheats to maintain an advantage), he's the hiding in the corner, avoid far fights at all costs, type heel, so it makes perfect sense that he cheats like mad to win.

Cena won at Mainia....Wyatt gets the win here, exactly as he should, making the Wyatt Family group stronger as a unit, it's clear it will take a lot more than just getting him in a random cage match to separate him from his buddies and beat him, while reinforcing the notion that Wyatt is a cowardly bully, he cant fight, not even a little, on his own. It's the worst kind of heel, and the way this match played out fit the storyline and Wyatt's character perfectly.

 

[FlairFan2003]

i totally agree with the first post and this is my feelings exactly. the way they protected super cena and made him look was ridiculous and even though bray won it was the most "unclean" victory i've seen in a long time. why does cena have to be like hogan and very rarerly do a job "clean" and properly? what harm would it do? if triple h/orton and other top guys can lose to help elevate others why won't cena? the ending was original and clever i'll give them that with little johnny (wonder if he's related to little jimmy?!) but having cena do his usual and beat up all 3 of them after they all interfered then just have bray win by walking out the cage does nothing to help wyatt and made it look as cheap as humanly possible. i can't stand cena or the way wwe protects him all the time. he'll only lose matches if it benefits him (or in the case of when he dropped the title to bryan last summerslam he was injured and he obviously knew what was going to happen after the match)

OK, again Cena has put over CM Punk almost every time they wrestled. Cena cleanly put over Randy Orton in the Triple Threat Match at W-Mainia 24. He cleanly put over Rock at W-Mainia. He put over RVD at the first ECW PPV to make him World Champ.

Compare that to Hogan ...he never lost cleanly (or by pinfall at all) to Randy Savage, his greatest and longest running rival. He never put over Sting cleanly until they were in TNA and he was virtually retired. He never put over Flair cleanly even though he did lose a World Title to him (in a Cage Match that basically had no rules) and lost a pinfall decision to him on Nitro. He was clearly screwjobbed in his dual ref loss to Andre.

You can argue that part of Hogan's appeal was that he didn't lose. You can also point out he did lose cleanly (in a non title match) to Piper at Starrcade and Lex luger on Nitro (though he beat Luger in their very next match to regain the title, and Luger was basically carrying the entire company for almost a year with Sting in storyline dictated exile and Flair MIA with a shoulder injury). When he lost to Goldberg Hogan still maintained the top spot on PPV, etc in the company until he too time off (allowing Goldberg to main event just long enough to lose to Nash). There isn't a lot he did cleanly for anyone, never gave his greatest rivals (Savage & Flair) any clean wins (never even gave Savage a bad pinfall win). He wrestled Ultimate Warrior twice and split with him.

Cena's record I think is way better over a much shorter career. Also, the fans don't pay to see you lose when you're the top guy. The pay TO SEE YOU WIN. Obviously sometimes you need to switch things up storyline wise but if you always lose, you don't elevate a single person. After all, what's a win over the guy who always loses worth ? Orton beating Cena was a huge win for him. Think its a big deal if he beats Santino, a guy who rarely wins meaningful matches ?

Fact is, there aren't many long term top guys who are asked to lose on a regular basis, simply for that fact (the fans wont watch when their favs regularly get beat). Flair had a great track record for putting over talent when asked. Hogan not so much. Hart had problems with HBK behind the scenes but lost when asked most of the time. HBK was terrible in his heyday but very good in his return. HHH has put over his share, including Goldberg, Batista, Flair, Taker, HBK, Lesnar, and younger talent like Shelton Benjamin (clearly wasted on him, a great example of how just beating a name doesn't make you a name, Benjamin was a major flop).

Cena has elevated Punk & Orton and although RVD wasted it he elevated him too. He also made Edge look like a million bucks in their feud. Cena has elevated more than his share to his level.