Super Cena Strikes Again

[SuperTaco]

For all the people that can have an intelligent and factual discussion about wrestling, there are just as many people that cannot. This is the unfortunate truth of the internet.

"Super Cena" lost the match. "Super Cena" said on Raw that he was going to do whatever it takes to keep Bray's message inside the cage, and he failed. Bray strolled out of the cage while "Super Cena" was laid out in the middle of the ring.

Bray Wyatt benefits because he is now 1-1 versus Cena. When you're a heel, it doesn't matter if you cheat to win, it's still a win. Outside interference is almost a guarantee with a heel faction.

What I saw was Cena getting stopped every time he tried to rally. He had his chance to escape through the door, but was rattled by the singing child. From a character standpoint, if he REALLY wanted to keep Bray's message inside the cage, he wouldn't let the kid bother him to the point of being frozen in fear.

 

[Torgo]

Once again, Jack Hammer writes a top notch post. I absolutely agree with everything he said. The Cena Marks can go shove it, you honestly cannot say that, even with a win, Wyatt was wrecked. Cena laid out all three men, after getting his ass kicked the whole match, and ended up getting stopped by a fucking kid with Kane's old voice box. If WWE wasnt riding Cena's dick, Wyatt would have been booked stronger, but instead he had his cronies interfere the whole match and Cena beat them all. This is getting nauseating.

OK, again Cena has put over CM Punk almost every time they wrestled. Cena cleanly put over Randy Orton in the Triple Threat Match at W-Mainia 24. He cleanly put over Rock at W-Mainia. He put over RVD at the first ECW PPV to make him World Champ.

Cm Punk ill give you. Randy Orton match was a triple threat, not one on one, so you cant say just Orton beat Cena. Plus Orton was on a mega push. He did put over the Rock...only to win the belt at WM from Rock a year later. He had to lose to RVD or else the crowd would have crucified him.

Bray Wyatt benefits because he is now 1-1 versus Cena. When you're a heel, it doesn't matter if you cheat to win, it's still a win. Outside interference is almost a guarantee with a heel faction

Does Wyatt bbenefit? Cena beat up all his help, came right back with 5 moves of doom after getting his ass handed to him the whole match, and was ready to win, the Wyatts all KO-ed when WWE had the kid with the funky voice appear. This does not help Wyatt. He needs to beat Cena CLEAN.

 

[Pedigree1]

The way the match was booked,was weird.. We all knew that Bray was going to win,that in itself was not a surprise.. But Bray didnt need to cheat to win.. Cena had that match won,at least 10 times on his own. The fact though that Rowan and Harper kept interfering,it should have been a 3-1 match.

But the ending was great IMO.. Very creepy little boy singing that song,in a voice that sounded like it was recorded on a record player at 33 speed..

This just adds fuel to the fire,Bray needed the win but he is good enough to have gone over clean without interference. You figure there is going to be another match at Payback,I am curious as to what stip it could involve in.

 

[#tamale]

I look at the match from a different perspective. I see Rowan and Harper interfering as a way to build up sympathy for Cena. He isn't universally loved, but the natural reaction of people when they see cheating is sympathy for the hero because he has victory in his grasp but it keeps being taken away from him by the villain through cheating. It happens in every form of entertainment.

Bray Wyatt is a false prophet trying to tear down the image of a hero to millions. False prophets brainwash and use questionable methods to get their point across even if it means using illegal tactics. This is what Bray Wyatt does and he's happy doing it.

 

[pyrusane]

Omg, the stupid in this thread is astounding. Let me make this very clear: BRAY WYATT SHOULD NEVER BEAT JOHN CENA CLEAN. That would destroy the Bray Wyatt character. Wyatt isn't a wrestling powerhouse, he isn't a technical master, he's a manipulator, a guy who plays mind games and inspires followers to do his dirty work for him. He is being loosely based on Charles Manson, and while Manson is serving a life sentence for the Sharon Tate murder spree, he himself didn't kill a single person in that house.

The setup for that match last night changed on last weeks Raw. It became less about Cena beating up Wyatt and more about him trying to keep Wyatt from escaping the cage, keeping his "message" caged. Honestly, a couple more weeks of build on that aspect of the match would have helped a lot last night.

The story they told was that Wyatt's foot-soldiers kept stopping Cena, which is what they are supposed to do, and for most of the match it was a story about the strength of the good, pure heart over-coming the superior numbers of the evil messenger of fear...an old classic, and maybe not as clear as it should have been. In the end, good triumphed, as it usually does in these stories, and Cena started to climb out of the cage...only to discover that the message had already escaped, that it had corrupted and turned his most vocal fan base against him, as he was confronted by the demon child (who I will get to in a moment). Cena realizes that even if he wins he has already lost, and in that moment of realization Bray attacks, lays him out, and walks smiling out of the cage.

The problem with people today is that everyone thinks that Bray has to "look strong" and "win clean" to get elevated by this program. You are asking Bray Wyatt to play Cena's game and beat him at it, instead of allowing Bray to play his own game. Wyatt isn't about physical dominance, he is about psychological warfare and symbolism above success. And to that end, he is winning handily.

Now, about that kid. I recognized that kid as soon as I saw him, because I live in the south and watch Carolina Panthers games every Sunday during football season. I don't know if this commercial plays everywhere, or if you get different versions based on geographical location, so here it is for those who may never have seen it:

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[TheICChampion]

Overall, I wasn't happy with the match, with Harper and Rowan interfering about 100 times, and when Cena actually brought Harper into the ring I was thinking "Why the hell would he do that? Because Wyatt isn't a big enough challenge for him?" It made no sense to me. And then when he had all 3 laid out I was like "There goes SuperCena." But the kid coming out was brilliant, except for that "demonic" voice. I was thinking "Ole Anderson!" But when the lights went out I was hoping for the Ascension. Anyway, at the end of the day, Bray gets the win and now has the psychological edge against Cena, which is what was supposed to happen.

 

[Fisheatppl]

I don' t understand what you people want? Cena is a long established star, for over the last decade, and for over the last 8-9 years has been almost unbeatable. Complain about that if you want (you have... even I have)... but its still a fact. So there is no way you take Bray Wyatt, having been on the main roster for less than a year, and give him a clean victory against Cena. Of course Cena will be booked like he always has, and Wyatt would have no shot, and should have no shot, against Cena by himself. And at a PPV even he and his cronies should have a hell of a time. They aren't the Shield, and it was a PPV (or special event). Bray is too new to give him a victory like that. A victory like the one he just had is exactly the one he needs. He has fought the biggest star in the sport at the biggest stage of them all and lost, in less than a year, and then he fought the biggest stage in the sport and beat him at the next event.

It is all about mind games for Bray Wyatt, Cole even mentioned multiple times during the match that losing at 'Mania probably helped Wyatt, and that Wyatt doesn't even care about winning this match, just to emphasize the point that this was never about winning for Bray Wyatt, it is about his message. This booking was exactly right, it gave the Cena fans something to cheer for, and it furthered the fued that is hot right now.

 

[The Eighties]

So many people jumping on Jack Hammer without reading his post properly. He never said that Bray should have won clean, he said the interference was really absurd as it went on and on, which is true.

As I said last night I don't think Bray Wyatt is defined by wins and losses, he's not that type of wrestler, he's 90% character and 10% competitor in how he is presented, wins don't matter to him, messing with people's minds does.

My issue with the amount of interference was that it dragged the match down and made Cena look stupid, how many times does a dog need to get smacked on the nose before it stops chewing the slipper?

 

[Xemmy]

Honestly, I hated the match. Bray Wyatt is the next big heel, and if they evolve him right, he can be a very long mainstay. I don't expect Wyatt to beat Cena. But John Cena essentially lost to a small child last night. That's what happened. The Wyatt Family as a unit couldn't beat him, but a kid in a goat mask did. The mic effects were awful too. Wyatt is supposed to be somewhat of a monster heel. So let him at least LOOK like he has a chance in a one on one. I would rather have had Wyatt nearly beat Cena on his own in a one on one and then lose. The whole point of a damn cage match is to keep interference out anyway isn't it?

 

[RedRegan1005]

Totally agree. I found the ending with the Kid to be too campy and far-fetched for my taste. The segment this pass Monday was cool and then WWE completely jumped the shark with it! That aside though, if that was WWE's plan was to have the kid freak out cena and cost him the match, then why the hell was it necessary to have the other six harper/rowan interferences. It made no sense! It didn't help protect cena, it hurt wyatt, and eliminated any value of the victory. Speaking of protecting Cena, NEWS FLASH! he doesn't need to be protected damn it!!!!! He has done so much, won so much, and over came so many odds that there is nothing on earth that could diminish him at this point. Its like having an indestructible wall and then spending all your money building more brick walls around it. It's just not necessary! Cena could literally lose ten straight matches to random jobbers a third his size, and then the next night challenge for the WWE title, and people would still take him seriously. They hurt wyatts win just to protect something that can't be hurt. I just don't get it

 

[theblasterkid]

Heels are book to cheat at times so it makes sense. I'm glad Bray won though. You know what would be cool, if The Shield and The Wyatts teamed with The Shield at Survior Series against The Authority in a 6 on 6 tag match. I don't know how that would happen though unless The Authority recruits more people. Anyway, Extreme Rules was hot ( except for the pre-show match)! it could have been replaced with The Usos defending the titles or Rusev vs. Woods & Truth. I kind of take the Rusev vs. Woods & Truth thing back because of Lana. Well that's not the topic. Well anyway, I don't think the Bray and Cena thing is over because of Payback. They're tied (1-1) so another match makes sense.

 

[LBGetBack]

Another thing I had a problem with from a logic standpoint.....

You can win by pinfall or submission too! So after having your escapes interfered with a few times......how about trying to pin him?

Dumb match. Made Wyatt look weak. Made Cena look dumb. I hate this feud. Cena can't put anyone over, and he has nowhere to go.

At this point they might as well just give him his own show and only let him wrestle on there. Run it on Saturday morning for the kids, and let him do Cena-ey things like destroy all the talent(feed him the scrubs who are never on TV) and cut his ridiculous promos he's been doing for 10 years. I'm mostly kidding....but not entirely.

 

[HatchetMan84]

Another thing I had a problem with from a logic standpoint.....

You can win by pinfall or submission too! So after having your escapes interfered with a few times......how about trying to pin him?

Dumb match. Made Wyatt look weak. Made Cena look dumb. I hate this feud. Cena can't put anyone over, and he has nowhere to go.

At this point they might as well just give him his own show and only let him wrestle on there. Run it on Saturday morning for the kids, and let him do Cena-ey things like destroy all the talent(feed him the scrubs who are never on TV) and cut his ridiculous promos he's been doing for 10 years. I'm mostly kidding....but not entirely.

This is a good post. I feel the same way some times. The Super Cena act has grown old. Somebody else on here posted that they feel like Cena is only the biggest star right now because of the kids, and how the kids and their parents shell out like 80% of the money that comes from Cena's merchandise. Basically saying it was pitiful that the WWE has any character that is specifically designed to cater to the kids. I do think it is terrible that the product has to be geared around tweens...

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

People wonder why there are so many Cena haters out there. Personally, I'm not a vivid hater, and I'm certainly not a Cena fanboy. If anything, I enjoy Cena's place in the mid-card right now, working with exceptional talent like Bray. But what went down at ER was an atrocity. I can't see how Cena doesn't have a say backstage to this. So, some creative member went to Cena and said "you are supposedly gonna win the match 20 times, only for Harper, Rowan and a 7 year old kid to stop you". Cena then said "cool, it's a great idea". Come on, John, you have some power to stop this crap.

As I said, it was a horrible atrocity. You can always have Cena try to escape through the door and JUST ONCE have Rowan and Harper slam the door on him and maybe, one more time, while Cena is on top trying to escape, lights go out and play the scene with the kid singing. Everything else was just stupid.

How are we actually gonna accept Bray as the dominant force, when he and 2 other men can't beat someone? Cena is a superhero, but he shouldn't be able to do what he did last night.

People bashed Punk for beating the Shield 3 vs 1. Punk cheaply beat them because the Shield made a mistake and it was all about the Shield's break-up tease. What was this 3 vs 1 last night for? They wanted to show how close the Wyatt member are? I don't even....

At this stage, since it seems like Bray vs Cena is a lock for Payback, even if Bray beats Cena CLEAN, I mean completely clean, I still won't take him that much seriously. After two battles where Bray lost (because last night, in my eyes, he lost), he eventually will have to win one. 2:1 is a good ratio for a false prophet, eh?

 

[tjmarrs714]

I agree with the op completely. It's really ridiculous, even for Cena.

I disagree with the people who said that Cena losing dirty keeps the feud going. The feud could have been kept going if he lost clean. There was absolutely no reason for Cena to be protected so much.

What would happen exactly if Cena lost clean just one time? Would he no longer have fans? Are Cena fans that insecure? Would he no longer sell t shirts? Would Cena's career be ruined if he lost clean without any excuses just once, just one time? I just don't get it.

I honestly can't wait until Cena retires. But hey, that's just my opinion.

 

[JJ15776]

Yawn.

We get it. You people don't like Cena. You're too cool for him. Believe me, as sick and tired as you are of him, the rest of us are even more sick and tired of you people constantly bitching about him. The idiotic expectations you have of him and the ridiculous double standards you have for him.

Bray Wyatt's a heel. He cheated to win. That's what heels do. At WrestleMania, Daniel Bryan beat Triple H and then two hours later beat Randy Orton and Batista, despite interference from Triple H and Kane, all with one good arm. Where were all the "Super Bryan strikes again" threads? Probably the same as all the threads about Rock making fun of Cena's appearance from the people crying about Cena making fun of Wyatt's appearance, or the threads about Rock burying Cena from the people outraged by Triple H burying Punk.

Speaking of Triple H, I'm surprised there's no threads about his ego being so big he couldn't even take the pin last night. I know that's what you people are thinking.

Cena doesn't do anything every other major face in the history of professional wrestling does. That match was booking 101. The heel(s) cheating and the face trying to overcome. And, for the love of god, CENA LOST. And that's still not enough. Wyatt dominates Cena for the entire match but Cena gets the win, zOMG Cena buried Wyatt! Wyatt and Cena have a close, even match, Wyatt wins, zOMG Super Cena strikes again! So, in other words, Cena should be completely destroyed from bell to bell and pinned clean in have middle of the ring. He can't get dominated for most of the match and win at the end, he can't lose a back and forth even match, that's all there is left. It's ironic that, for all the times you people misuse the word buried every time Cena or Triple H wins a match, you're unhappy with Cena doing anything but get buried. Although, to be fair, I'm sure you'd find a way to complain about that too. He didn't sell enough, he didn't make his opponent look strong enough. Or he oversold and made a mockery of the match. Or he got up too soon after the match. Or he shoud've tapped out instead of get pinned.

To the last reply before this, who the hell said Wyatt was supposed to be a dominant force? And, again, where were you calling Bryan a superhero who shouldn't be able to do what he did at WrestleMania? Why wasn't that a horrible atrocity? Why didn't you call for Bryan, backstage, to overrule them when they said "we're gonna have you, with one arm, beat Triple H and then later that night, again with one arm, beat Randy Orton and Batista despite interference from Kane and Triple H" at WrestleMania?

And to the person before that who said they want Cena to have his own show... I want you whiners to have your own separate website and message board where you post all your bitching and moaning about everything single thing Cena does, and keep it away from the normal, logical, intelligent conversations about the WWE. And while you're mostly, but not entirely, kidding, I am being 100% serious. Threads like this are why normal wrestling fans hate the IWC. Anything good that happens to people you don't like, or anything bad that happens to people you do like, is horrible and stupid and the worst thing ever and proof the WWE doesn't know what they're doing. My god.

 

[FlairFan2003]

This is a good post. I feel the same way some times. The Super Cena act has grown old. Somebody else on here posted that they feel like Cena is only the biggest star right now because of the kids, and how the kids and their parents shell out like 80% of the money that comes from Cena's merchandise. Basically saying it was pitiful that the WWE has any character that is specifically designed to cater to the kids. I do think it is terrible that the product has to be geared around tweens...

Guys, wrestling had been geared to kids for the last 40 years. When WWE was at its height in the 1980s it was so "kid friendly" it was ridiculous. I have a feeling if many of you were watching then that you would have loved the NWA since they tried much harder to balance the kid friendly with more violent matches (and more adult promos) but even they relied heavily on the antics of silly, over blown, almost cartoonish heels (Jim Cornette) and super hero/teeny bopper friendly heroes (Magnum TA, Sting, Rock & Roll Express).

Now Ive been watching or at least paying some attention to wrestling since the mid 80s. These days I don't attend house shows regularly (like I did as a kid), I don't buy posters or action figures or magazines and I rarely buy PPV (since 1999 Ive bought three PPV events, all W-Mainias). Middle aged guys who don't want PPV or buy merchandise really aren't WWE's most marketable demographic. However, fans today that are the age I was in the 1980s/early 90s, they buy all that stuff and generate the revenue that sustains the company. It isn't insulting to say WWE gears its programming to kids, its the truth, and its the reason they are a publicly traded international company that generates hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue every year. They sure aren't making it off me!!

 

[crytista]

I think the grip is cena winning 99% of the time & his losses are once in a blue moon. it's been done probably 1000 times so far I mean that literally. Even Hogan lost legit sometimes and not once in a blue moon.


That whole kid/mask promo was good. shades of cena being a real heel it might have made a good heel turn. He said WHY after all these years you feed me to the wolfs ? Now they are just milking the same wyatt/cena cow it needs to end

 

[DarksideEric]

I think the grip is cena winning 99% of the time & his losses are once in a blue moon. it's been done probably 1000 times so far I mean that literally. Even Hogan lost legit sometimes and not once in a blue moon.

Hogan lost like twice before going to WCW.

Other than Warrior and Taker, who did he lose to?

 

[IT Factor]

Honestly, I expected this outcome. Cena won @ Mania and now Wyatt won @ Extreme Rules. This feud has become very boring for two reasons:

1}Bray Wyatt sucks! Despite having every opportunity to have his 'breakout moment' he has failed to do so. He is beyond repetitive and quite frankly, that damn Sunday school rhyme he has going only makes it worse.

2}Cena will NEVER turn heel. He is WWE's big merchandise seller and he is a big proponent of the Make-A-Wish foundation. That equals a very unlikelihood of Cena ever turning heel in the rest of his career. So continuing this Bray Wyatt storyline to bring the "monster" out of Cena is beating a dead horse.

In short, it should be over because this whole feud isn't.

 

[pyrusane]

This is a good post.

No it isn't

I feel the same way some times. The Super Cena act has grown old.

You must not watch a lot of wrestling. All of the big names get trapped into a gimmick. Example: Ric Flair is considered one of the best in the business, a true legend, and he's been cutting the same promos and hitting the same spots for 35 years. You guys want Cena to change it up, why don't you try whining about something new yourselves.

Somebody else on here posted that they feel like Cena is only the biggest star right now because of the kids, and how the kids and their parents shell out like 80% of the money that comes from Cena's merchandise.

Second half answers the first half. Seriously, get a clue. "I know that these guys generate 80% of your revenue, but I think my opinion is more important than the overwhelming majority opinion. I'm special, dammit!"

Basically saying it was pitiful that the WWE has any character that is specifically designed to cater to the kids. I do think it is terrible that the product has to be geared around tweens...

Yes, you're right, they should instead cater to the group that is guaranteed to hate whatever they do, no matter how much they were begging for it up until they got it.

Let's look at the track record so far:

"We want Ry-der! We want Ry-der!"
Ryder wins US Title.
"Meh!"

"We want Zig-gler! We want Zig-gler!"
Ziggler wins World Title.
"Eh, overrated, he flops around when he sells."

"Dan-iel Bry-an! Dan-iel Bry-an!"
Bryan wins WWE World Heavyweight Championship
"He's too small to be credible"

Seriously, every time you guys get what you want, you decide you want something else instead.

The thing is, I'm all for changing the Cena character. I don't think he should necessarily go full heel, because that would be too hard to pull off anymore, but I think he could go to a darker place, become more serious, more brooding. Maybe find his inner Raven. Grow out a heel-beard, lose the high-and-tight, switch to all dark color scheme instead of the bright colors...little things like that would completely change his image, even if he didn't change his style inside the ring that much.

Of course, as soon as something like that happens, the same people that have been pushing for a change for years will crap all over it, and find something else to whine about. The only time you're ever happy is when you're miserable.

 

[Dyscord]

Seriously, every time you guys get what you want, you decide you want something else instead.

The thing is, I'm all for changing the Cena character. I don't think he should necessarily go full heel, because that would be too hard to pull off anymore, but I think he could go to a darker place, become more serious, more brooding. Maybe find his inner Raven. Grow out a heel-beard, lose the high-and-tight, switch to all dark color scheme instead of the bright colors...little things like that would completely change his image, even if he didn't change his style inside the ring that much.

Of course, as soon as something like that happens, the same people that have been pushing for a change for years will crap all over it, and find something else to whine about. The only time you're ever happy is when you're miserable.

This pretty much. It astounds me how many people are all "Bray looks weak!" and blah blah. Um....that's his freaking point! He's not going to outwrestle his opponents. That's not his style. His style is psychological. Mind games and generally freaking the hell out of his opponents. His style is being charismatic enough to let his followers do the work. His goal is turning the fanbase completely against Cena. The match at ER hit all of those notes.

Also, I don't see them turning Cena heel anytime soon. Maybe adding a darker aspect of his character, which would be a welcome change, but not full blown heel.

 

[enviousdominous]

Not to wander away from the main focus of the topic, but I really hate steel cage matches. What is the point of ever climbing the cage at a snail's pace if just looking at the door warrants its opening? Even then, going through a fucking door is suddenly a challenge for these guys? It's a fucking door! The whole cage should just be panels of cheap fencing that has a door section, it's not like these guys are mentally capable of leaving one of those in a timely manner. When did the rule become "The door opens if the referee recognizes that you're trying to go out of it"? Why do they ever even bother locking the damn thing?

Back on track; John Cena was taking a loss to an up and comer. That's all there is to it. Even I'll admit that it would seem very unnatural for Bray to defeat Cena in any manner clean. Cena is Cena because he's Cena, he doesn't take a clean loss to a heel whose gimmick involves the occasional use of a pair of goons. I don't enjoy Cena's work if he's honoring the continuity of his character or not, but I'll watch his matches because I can see that Bray as an up and comer is getting a decent rub out of this. The proselytizing cult leader from the bayou gimmick isn't doing it for me, but the crowd seems to be throwing their money at it for as long as Cena's involved.

Cena did practically win that night by not getting pinned and only losing because he'd have to run over a little kid to seal the deal. What was at stake again in that match?

 

[enviousdominous]

It astounds me how many people are all "Bray looks weak!" and blah blah. Um....that's his freaking point! He's not going to outwrestle his opponents. That's not his style. His style is psychological. Mind games and generally freaking the hell out of his opponents. His style is being charismatic enough to let his followers do the work. His goal is turning the fanbase completely against Cena. The match at ER hit all of those notes.

I tend to let the crowd decide if a performer does or does not look strong. We can wax for hours on the merits of a performance because we've had as much time to judge in retrospect how they looked. The live crowd reacts as everything happens, so if it worked for them then I consider it successful whether or not it pleased me.

The crowd is all into that "He's got the whole world, in his hands" thing. The lighters come on during the entrance. Cena marks come in two flavors, the ones that hate him and the ones that love him. I don't think anyone else could have given Bray a better feud to evolve his character through.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

People need to realize that Cena is a polarizing figure in wrestling. Bitching about the people that don't like him and ones that do only prove that point. Hogan was the same way in his heyday. If you don't like it I would recommend to stop posting in anti Cena threads. They are not going to go anywhere. Neither are the Cena defenders.

Cena went over clean at WM30 so they really should have toned down all that interference. Those that say it had to end like that because the feud would be over make no sense. Cena won at WM and Wyatt at ER. Even if Wyatt goes over clean(like Cena did) they are 1 and 1 and have the sendoff at Payback.

Having watched wrestling since 1980 I totally understand that the heel cheats but damn that match was just about ruined because of it.

Seriously, every time you guys get what you want, you decide you want something else instead.

The thing is, I'm all for changing the Cena character. I don't think he should necessarily go full heel, because that would be too hard to pull off anymore, but I think he could go to a darker place, become more serious, more brooding. Maybe find his inner Raven. Grow out a heel-beard, lose the high-and-tight, switch to all dark color scheme instead of the bright colors...little things like that would completely change his image, even if he didn't change his style inside the ring that much.

Of course, as soon as something like that happens, the same people that have been pushing for a change for years will crap all over it, and find something else to whine about. The only time you're ever happy is when you're miserable.

Why do people paint everybody with the same brush? I agree a lot of wrestling fans are miserable but you really need to direct it at the people who are miserable and not everyone who posts on a MB.