Sting...The Hypocrite?

[go_patriots11]

Ok, for the longest time I heard Sting had reasoning for not coming over to the WWF/E and one of the reasons being his "strong christian beliefs" and WWE's use of the Attitude era and yadda yadda yadda.
Now it seems the tables have turned. TNA has gone the attitude route with Mr. Anderson (Anderson) calling everyone an Asshole, and RVD referencing potsmoking and etc...Where as WWE these days WWE givers their superstars flack for even using a chair shot!
From what I hear now Sting has changed his mind and said that he didn't want to come into the WWE to just lose to the Undertaker, but come on. Stop being a baby! It has potential to be one of the greatest built up feuds in a long time and I think Sting should just swallow his pride just a little bit if he has any respect for the business at all and the fans for that matter and give us what we want to see!

 

[Murphy]

Huh maybe you'ld want to give this a read.

“I wouldn’t say it was utter nonsense, that’s not true!” laughs TNA’s champ. “It’s a dream match that fans would want to see. It was close. I’m glad things turned out the way they did.

“There are so many variables. Let’s just say that I turned it down for the same reasons I always have. Something in me never trusted what would happen up there, based entirely on the track record with other WCW guys and everything that went on after Vince bought WCW.

Words from the man himself. I think the "strong christian beliefs" reason was only made up by the IWC, because they knew he was a born again christian. Now I very much could be wrong, but that's the way I always felt. Sting didn't want to be buried like other WCW wrestlers who went to WWE after WCW went out of business. I don't think it had anything to do with his christian beliefs. Anyway even if it was because of his christian beliefs. Well 10 years have passed since WWE tryed to sign him for the Invasion. I wouldn't call someone a hypocrite for changing their minds about something 10 years later.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

For the life of me, I never got why people think that Undertaker vs. Sting is a dream match. I've been told it's because their characters are similar but the only thing I've seen similar about them is they both wear black. Sting has always had his reasons for not going to the WWE and I respect those reasons and how he feels. He is one of the biggest names in the history of wrestling without Vince and I am sure that is one accomplishment he takes great pride in.

 

[UnBEARaBULLfan]

Ok, for the longest time I heard Sting had reasoning for not coming over to the WWF/E and one of the reasons being his "strong christian beliefs" and WWE's use of the Attitude era and yadda yadda yadda.
Now it seems the tables have turned. TNA has gone the attitude route with Mr. Anderson (Anderson) calling everyone an Asshole, and RVD referencing potsmoking and etc...Where as WWE these days WWE givers their superstars flack for even using a chair shot!
From what I hear now Sting has changed his mind and said that he didn't want to come into the WWE to just lose to the Undertaker, but come on. Stop being a baby! It has potential to be one of the greatest built up feuds in a long time and I think Sting should just swallow his pride just a little bit if he has any respect for the business at all and the fans for that matter and give us what we want to see!

Nothing about Stings coments make him a hypocrite, yeah one reason was his christian beliefs but he has always stated that he didn't trust the WWE cause of how they treated many former WCW wrestlers and that they would do the same to him.

Just cause you want him to go there so you can see a certain match does not make him a hypocrite.

 

[blockanWo]

Ive never once heard the Christian belief reason. Ive always heard (and there are many interviews going back to as far as early 2000's) that he didnt go because of how the WCW talent was buried when they first got their. He always cited how The Rock buried Booker T with a few words.

Overall his reasons have probably also shifted to his family now. Hes 52 or something. TNA's schedule gives him a paycheck and time with his family.

 

[iwinulose]

i would like to think that vince would be a smart man and not let something stupid like sting having been in the wcw or him being part of tna for so long, that vince (if borden ever chose to come to the wwe) would be a bigger man and realize that the past is the past and he should just shut up and not be a dick about it.
undertaker vs sting, i dont know why people think its a dream match, heck i want the match to, and i dont even know why, but it could have been a great match, sinilar personas, similar gear......i dont know but it would be a great match.

 

[TheKingHustla]

Maybe he was just scared the match wouldn't live up to the hype. Or maybe there was more of him to lose leaving tna than joining wwe.i mean, he's past his prime, tna specializes in older guys. i say he made the right decision. i wouldnt want to see taker/sting now anyway.

 

[T2KFreeker]

First of all, why does Sting have to explain why he hasn't gone to WWE in the first place? Maybe he's just happy where he is? I know for some of you that might be hard to believe because where the thinking of WWE being the only "WRESTLING" company in the world and all. I also have never heard Sting say anything about his Christian Beliefs being the reason he has stayed away from the WWE. It was pretty much a theory made by Internet Smarks. In the end, he is happy in TNA and as long as Undertaker has "The Streak" going, as they always say in the Wrestling Business, "Never Say Never", but don't call the man a Hypocrite because you didn't get the match you wanted out of him. If there is one thing I can't call Sting, it's a Hypocrite. The man has busted his ass for the business and the fans, so as far as I see it, as long as he isn't hurting the product or the industry, he can do what he wants. I'm not even a WWE fan at this point anymore and I wouldn't mind seeing Sting and Taker tie it up. However, I can say that I don't know that I would want it to be at Wrestlemania. Sorry guys, but Mania has been Piss Poor for a few years now and mostly, if not for the Taker matches, would have blown all around. This year especially, was a turd. The Rock was cool, and Triple H VS Undertaker was awesome, but the rest of the show was pretty crap. Sorry guys, but I think Sting is fine just where he is.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I think the christian beliefs thing was made up by the IWC. Christians who are in your face about being christians are generally hypocrits though (extremely judgmental, narrow minded, etc.) I'm a christian myself, I just don't like to judge people and the whole 'super christian' thing some people do pisses me off.

Anyways I just think Sting doesn't trust Vince.

 

[mykeymayhem]

Sting is kind of wrong about the wcw burial i mean y2j multi time champ,eddie was a champ,benoit was champ,rey mysterio was a champ and still really over with fans....WWE did what was right and weeded out the guys who couldn't make it there i mean even booker t won a belt after joining with WWE....Sting wont do it because he just dosen't want to. He hasen't needed vince yet and he may never need vince...But i don't see TNA using him right yea hes the champ but its for a failing company...congrats sting you are the face of fail. He should re think it again because i'm sure vince would give him at least 1 run with the WHC.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes truth...

I'd love for someone to finally show me the proof of this supposed "Christian Values" nonsense that I've been reading for years now regarding why Sting never joined WWE. Honestly, I'd love to see it, because if just one of you could actually show me such a thing, it'd do wonders as to actually giving you even so much as a snippet of a foundation to stand on.

Watch the goddam interview with him again — he speaks clear as day as to why he never joined. MISTRUST. He did not trust what would happen with his character. Period. Nothign more.

In fact, he repeated the exact same sentiments in a recent interview to boot:

"Something in me never trusted what would happen up there, based entirely on the track record with other WCW guys and everything that went on after Vince bought WCW."

Now, can we please bury these ridiculous threads once and for all?

 

[burnout4200]

Look at Jericho's debut. Everyone thinks it was so great, and it was entertaining, but The Rock buried the guy when he came on stage. Jericho looked like he was about to cry. The crap with Booker T was just as bad. Remember "The NWO" getting punked out by Austin and The Rock? WCW's NWO would have gang stomped their asses for their comments. They ruined The NWO and being a WCW fan you wouldn't believe how mad I was. Youtube that stuff and watch it from a WCW loyalists perspective. You might see a whole new side of those clips.

I think Sting should just swallow his pride just a little bit if he has any respect for the business at all and the fans for that matter and give us what we want to see!

Sting is my all time favorite wrestler. What do you mean give us what we want to see? His biggest fans don't want him in The WWE. I don't want my favorite wrestler added to Takers Wrestlemania streak. If they brought him in to lose to Taker I might have cried, and I'm a grown man lol. Everyone knows Vince wants anyone who's not homegrown to look inferior to his product. Even if that's not actually true, it would have been my first thought upon his loss.

Sting is doing exactly what you said in that quote. If he did actually want to go to WWE, he swallowed his pride and gave his REAL FANS what they wanted to see. He's showing respect for the business. Protecting one of the most iconic characters of all time is extremely respectful to the business. Giving "The Enemy" a chance to destroy it would be disrespectful.

The day WWE buries Sting is the day I finally say fuck it and stop watching. I'm not all that entertained anymore anyway. I only watch out of habit because some of my earliest memories are watching pay per views with family and I've been watching ever since. WWE doesnt even have many wrestlers left that I like. I've been pissy since they fired Carlito lol. TNA has all of my favorite guys. RVD is my second all time favorite with The Ultimate Warrior in a close third due to childhood loyalty. I watched WWE strip RVD of titles over something as little as pot, which they knew he did before he got caught by cops, and I watched The Self Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior DVD. If they get a hold of Sting what do I have left?

 

[SinCityBlitz]

Ive never once heard the Christian belief reason. Ive always heard (and there are many interviews going back to as far as early 2000's) that he didnt go because of how the WCW talent was buried when they first got their. He always cited how The Rock buried Booker T with a few words.

Overall his reasons have probably also shifted to his family now. Hes 52 or something. TNA's schedule gives him a paycheck and time with his family.

There was an interview with Sting when he was in WCW where he said he didn't like the sleazy product the WWF were putting on and that's why he would never wrestle in WWE. That was before WCW started down that same road. Fuck me if I can find it so take that with a grain of salt. But I swear I heard that interview.

I don't think he's a hypocrite. He's doing what he wants to do and he doesn't owe anyone an explanation. But I still think the WCW guys being used wrong thing is a cop out.

I do think he will end his career with a little run in the WWE before he gets inducted into the HOF and gets a DVD deal.

Look at Jericho's debut. Everyone thinks it was so great, and it was entertaining, but The Rock buried the guy when he came on stage. Jericho looked like he was about to cry. The crap with Booker T was just as bad. Remember "The NWO" getting punked out by Austin and The Rock? WCW's NWO would have gang stomped their asses for their comments. They ruined The NWO and being a WCW fan you wouldn't believe how mad I was. Youtube that stuff and watch it from a WCW loyalists perspective. You might see a whole new side of those clips.

I take it you didn't read Jericho's book. It shoots down the theory that he was buried. If that was getting buried I guarantee you that 100% of the boys in the back wanted to get buried.

The Rock did that stuff to everyone including WWE guys. Sting was just being paranoid when he saw something more in that Booker T thing.

WCW ruined the nWo LONG before the WWE ever got a hold of them.

 

[burnout4200]

There was an interview with Sting when he was in WCW where he said he didn't like the sleazy product the WWF were putting on and that's why he would never wrestle in WWE. That was before WCW started down that same road. Fuck me if I can find it so take that with a grain of salt. But I swear I heard that interview.

I don't think he's a hypocrite. He's doing what he wants to do and he doesn't owe anyone an explanation. But I still think the WCW guys being used wrong thing is a cop out.

I do think he will end his career with a little run in the WWE before he gets inducted into the HOF and gets a DVD deal.

I remember the interview. He never mentioned the word christian but he did say he didn't like what they were airing on TV. The thing is that was piled on top of other reasons, including The Rock saying "Who the hell are you?" to Booker T.

The burying WCW guys thing is not a cop out man. I can see why some people could think that since I always see both sides of an arguement, but look at the proof. Youtube Chris Jericho's Debut, The Booker T debut, and when The NWO talks to Austin and The Rock (two seperate clips). Scott Hall tried to give Austin beer and he just dropped it on the floor. Hogan said let the man through and he walked past them. That never would have happened. That was not The NWO. You dont disrespect The NWO without getting fucked up, except in The WWE.

I agree that Sting will eventually sign a legends deal but I dont see him ever competing in a WWE ring. It will strictly be for the HOF and merchandise. He's too proud, he's come too far, and he can't turn back now. If he wasn't the only huge name that never stepped foot in the WWE, he'd probably be there right now. But he is, so he can't, because he's the only one of his kind.

I take it you didn't read Jericho's book. It shoots down the theory that he was buried. If that was getting buried I guarantee you that 100% of the boys in the back wanted to get buried.

The Rock did that stuff to everyone including WWE guys. Sting was just being paranoid when he saw something more in that Booker T thing.

WCW ruined the nWo LONG before the WWE ever got a hold of them.

Jericho killed the theory in a book published by The WWE? Enough said. They sign his paycheck.

Yeah, The Rock used the same 15 lines on a lot of guys which took a half hour. Sorry, I never liked the guy lol. The fact is The Jericho build up was awesome, but he looked like he was going to cry in his debut. How did he not look bad?

WCW diluted the NWO and formed different versions. They never made them act like *****es unless Sting dropped from the rafters, with a weapon. The WWE just couldn't wait to make The NWO look inferior to their own product. Day 1, they get punked out by SCSA and The Rock. Both Booker T's and Jericho's debut took place to them getting tore apart by The Rock. What are the odds that it's a coincidence?

 

[Lucid]

Jericho killed the theory in a book published by The WWE? Enough said. They sign his paycheck.

Yeah, The Rock used the same 15 lines on a lot of guys which took a half hour. Sorry, I never liked the guy lol. The fact is The Jericho build up was awesome, but he looked like he was going to cry in his debut. How did he not look bad?

WCW diluted the NWO and formed different versions. They never made them act like *****es unless Sting dropped from the rafters, with a weapon. The WWE just couldn't wait to make The NWO look inferior to their own product. Day 1, they get punked out by SCSA and The Rock. Both Booker T's and Jericho's debut took place to them getting tore apart by The Rock. What are the odds that it's a coincidence?

Uh, so..uhm...The Rock says "Hey guys, nice to meet you...welcome aboard."?
Wasn't nWo comprised of Vince's guys to begin with?
In the short term, a couple of guys eat some catchphrases and are in the same camera shots with Vince's superstars and this is a bad thing?
Those two guys carried on being successful, as near as I can tell.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

Sting stayed with WCW until it died. He joined TNA, helped get them a TV deal with Spike, and remained loyal to them.

Bring up Christianity or bring up WCW alumni burials (and it did happen, asides from Goldberg and Hogan - every WCW guy had to be 'reprogrammed' before they were given credible pushes) - the bottom line is that Sting has always been loyal to the ship he hung his flag too. The fact he would have been financially better off for joining the WWe just makes his convictions that more commendable.

You want a hypocrite, look at Nash or Booker who used TNA as their own private vanity projects when they were not wanted by Connecticut and ran back at the very first opportunity to be blink and you miss it RR entrants/ a HoF in joke/ bitch fodder for Stone Cold!

 

[burnout4200]

Uh, so..uhm...The Rock says "Hey guys, nice to meet you...welcome aboard."?
Wasn't nWo comprised of Vince's guys to begin with?
In the short term, a couple of guys eat some catchphrases and are in the same camera shots with Vince's superstars and this is a bad thing?
Those two guys carried on being successful, as near as I can tell.

As FitFinlay4Life said "and it did happen, asides from Goldberg and Hogan - every WCW guy had to be 'reprogrammed' before they were given credible pushes"

You didnt watch "NWO meets The Rock" on Youtube did you? The NWO kisses his ass. Hogan says The Rock is his sons favorite wrestler and asks for a picture. The Rock gets this whole I guess look on his face and when Hogan puts his arm around him for the picture he looks at his hand like "why the hell are you touching me?" Then he tears them down one by one. Hall shine up the camera ... nash turn it sideways ... hogan stick it up all of your candy asses. Then walks off. No. I'm sorry. That never would have happened. The NWO would have at put him through every piece of furniture in the room. They would never let him just walk away.

Yes The NWO guys came from The WWE, but he didn't hurt any of their characters with that. He hurt The NWO persona.

Same camera shot with Vince's guys? Not at all. What the hell are you talking about? You've never seen any of the stuff I'm speaking of obviously. They were one on one promos where The Rock made them look like bitches to their face. On a debut! Debuts are always huge, unless they're a WCW guy. Then they just feed him to The Rock.

 

[Lucid]

WCW didn't invent the nWo concept. They didn't even create the guys who pushed it over in WCW. I lived through it. I watched it, and you know what, I knew the entire concept and characters were plagiarized. That doesn't matter though, I guess, unless you're a WCW "loyalist". Whatever that means.
Debuts are not always huge. But that doesn't matter unless you're Booker T and Chris Jericho, I suppose.
Was Vince immature in making his competition "eat crow"? I guess you can make that argument, but over the long haul those two guys you mentioned seem to be doing alright.
Booker T isn't in prison and Jericho isn't flipping burgers, at least.

 

[Yrrab]

You didnt watch "NWO meets The Rock" on Youtube did you? The NWO kisses his ass. Hogan says The Rock is his sons favorite wrestler and asks for a picture. The Rock gets this whole I guess look on his face and when Hogan puts his arm around him for the picture he looks at his hand like "why the hell are you touching me?" Then he tears them down one by one. Hall shine up the camera ... nash turn it sideways ... hogan stick it up all of your candy asses. Then walks off. No. I'm sorry. That never would have happened. The NWO would have at put him through every piece of furniture in the room. They would never let him just walk away.

Didn't Hogan try to kill the Rock with a goddamn semi truck?

Just saying. You're caught up in this notion that these WCW guys were buried when they arrived. If they were, I'm pretty sure WWE made up for it in giving Booker T, Jericho, Benoit, Mysterio, Goldberg, NWO, even FINLAY(!!) awesome storylines and damn near better careers than what they had in WCW.

 

[blockanWo]

Sting is kind of wrong about the wcw burial i mean y2j multi time champ,eddie was a champ,benoit was champ,rey mysterio was a champ and still really over with fans....WWE did what was right and weeded out the guys who couldn't make it there i mean even booker t won a belt after joining with WWE....Sting wont do it because he just dosen't want to. He hasen't needed vince yet and he may never need vince...But i don't see TNA using him right yea hes the champ but its for a failing company...congrats sting you are the face of fail. He should re think it again because i'm sure vince would give him at least 1 run with the WHC.

Eddie Y2J and Benoit did not come over with the merger. By the time WCW was brought out in 2000 or 2001 those guys had already become WWE guys. ...and out of all of them Y2J was the only one who had major sucess right off the bat. The rest had to wait a fair while.

...and Rey came in much later (and i doubt he would have won the belt WHC if Eddy didnt pass away).

What Sting is referring to is the merger period, where EVERYONE who came over as apart of the Invasion storyline was jobbed out and embarassed. Booker T gave away his belt to Kanyon and lost his other one. Then up untill his King Booker gimmick he was the 5 Time WCW champion who couldnt win a major singles title if his life depended on it. DDP was embarrased, giving self help to Christian. KRONIK who had fantastic matches with Undertaker and Kane were dropped. They had such huge stars, great workers, You can count on one hand how many were kept on.

Sure there were guys from WCW who got over, but anyone who came in as part of that merger was treated like shit. Im sure if Sting went there now, hed be treated fairly well... but ultimately he will be cannon fodder for Undertaker.

*EDIT*

WWE gave the nWo a greater run than in WCW? What are you high? Goldberg I would say had more sucess in WCW as well. nWo was brought in to be bastardised. He brought it in to kill it.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

Didn't Hogan try to kill the Rock with a goddamn semi truck?

Yup, and the fans still cheered him over the 'great one'. So Vince turned him back to the Red & Yellow which castrated the nWo and he could push him as normal because Hulkamania was created in the WWF. The whole point of the nWo was the shock factor. Hogan should have been brought back in as the Hulk that left and then turned on the fans. That's what killed the nWo before it started, Hulkamania never turned on the WWF fans, 'Hollywood' turned on WCW fans. As far as running the Rock over, Mr Maivia was already being regarded as a Hollywood (place, not Hogan - slightly ironic) sellout and his popularity was suffering.

Just saying. You're caught up in this notion that these WCW guys were buried when they arrived. If they were, I'm pretty sure WWE made up for it in giving Booker T, Jericho, Benoit, Mysterio, Goldberg, NWO, even FINLAY(!!) awesome storylines and damn near better careers than what they had in WCW.

Booker T was treated as a midcarder until his King Booker heel turn, he was a face champ in WCW.

Y2J, Benoit & Mysterio were all midcarders in WCW (like Taker, Kane, Austin & Trips before them), so did not have a WCW aura to overcome and therefore had WWF careers unaffected by their tenure 'down south'.

Goldberg's run was similar to his post streak WCW career, dominant but very ho-hum. As they had hindsight in what worked and didn't, at best, his WWF career was mismanaged; at worst, sabotaged.

Your having a pop at mi familia. Dave Finlay was brought in for one reason, he is fantastic at making his opponents look like the real deal. He'd been with WWF for some time developing the Divas and someone realised that he'd make a great enhancement guy (which he was).

General rule of thumb - certain midcarders to WWF (particularly if this occurred before WCW's death) = improved career, headliners = lesser career / burial. Vince does not rate competitors, so if you've a legacy somewhere else you are going to be swimming upstream for some time.