Earlier in this thread someone was reporting that admissions and words to that effect had been released by attorney Ballard regarding the Benoit deaths on a CNN Interview.
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Speculation Regarding the Death of Chris Benoit
- Thread starter Mexican Geek
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Earlier in this thread someone was reporting that admissions and words to that effect had been released by attorney Ballard regarding the Benoit deaths on a CNN Interview.
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JohnnyRodz
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I'm not saying that Chris Benoit didn't commit this crime but here are a few things to think about before deciding that Chris Benoit really did kill himself and his family:
- Could somebody else have murdered the Benoit family. Could an ex of Nancy be out to get revenge on Benoits family? Reports have stated that for the last year Benoit had become paranoid that "Someone was out to get him", and that he was also worried that someone was out to get Nancy as well. ( http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29059 ) . Who was Benoit worried about? Clearly there was atleast one person that Benoit believed could potentially cause harm to him and his family.
-If someone has decided to commit murder, and try and get away with it, the best thing to do is to make it look like somebody else committed the crime. Even better, make it look like one of your victims committed the crime, that way it is impossible for them to defend themselves, and the police don't need to prove the case, make any arrests, or do anything aside from declaring the situation a murder-suicide.
-Chris Benoit hated religion, yet bibles were found by each of the bodies.
Also the timing of the murders doesn't make a lot of sense, and the police even called it very bizarre. His wife was killed on Friday, his son on Saturday, and then Benoit killed himself on Sunday? It seems very convient that the murders are spaced out just enough that the investigating officers would be able to tell that Chris Benoit died after Nancy and Daniel, thereby making Chris Benoit the obvious culprit.
- Why would Chris Benoit kill his son? If it is true that Benoit did snap at the marital problems between he and Nancy and kill her, why would he kill his son? Because his son witnessed him kill Nancy? that doesn't make sense seeing as Chris planned on killing himself and wasn't trying to get away with it. The police said Daniel was found asphixiated in bed, did Daniel and Chris sit in the house for a day, each knowing that Chris had just killed Nancy, and then after close to 24 hours Daniel went to bed and Chris waited until then to kill his own son? Why would Chris Benoit wait almost a day to kill himself after killing his son? It seems to be that in a murder-suicide the suicide happens pretty much right after the murder takes place. But conviently in this case (and keep in mind, even the police described the timing of the murders bizarre) all the murders are spread out by just enough time that it would be obvious to the police investigating the case that some of the bodies had been dead for longer than other ones. Clearly, whoever was alive last must have done it (see point 1 about framing someone else for the murder).
- Communication from Benoit to the WWE during this period was all done through text messaging, which only means the messages came from Benoit's phone, not necessarily from Chris himself.
- Here's is where things get dicey: Is it plausible that someone (perhaps the person that Benoit was worried was out to get him) spent some time plotting this murder, and plotting to frame Benoit for it? Could someone have entered the Benoit house without force and killed Nancy, then either restrained or sedated Daniel and Chris (and anyone who has watched enough AandE can tell you there are plenty of sedatives that won't show up on a toxicology report, especially if nobody is looking for it), then waited for a day to kill Daniel, and then a day to kill Benoit, just so there would be no doubt to the investigating officers that this was an open and shut case of murder-suicide, and no further investigation is needed.
Quite possibly this explanation could be seen as far-fetched, but answer this, is it more far-fetched than Chris Benoit, a man everyone liked, who everyone said loved his children more than anything, decided to not only kill his wife but put a bag over his own son's head killing him, and then waiting for possibly as long as a day to take his own life?!
Yes, it seems like this would have been an extremely well-thought out, calculated plan, but how many times have the police convicted someone only to find out later they convicted the wrong person because the real murderer made it look like someone else had committed the crime?
It's time for you guys to face the facts. Benoit did it. Plain and simple.
Again, why is it so plain and simple? Sure the theory is far out there, but not out of the question. It is still way too damn early to be certain on anything. Even the police officers said the timing was suspicious.
It's 99.9% certain. I maybe naive, but that leaves us with .1% to work with. I'm pretty sure Benoit did it, but man alive, the cut and dry bullshit from some people is really amazing.
It's 99.9% certain. I maybe naive, but that leaves us with .1% to work with. I'm pretty sure Benoit did it, but man alive, the cut and dry bullshit from some people is really amazing.
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
Few right now are disputing that it looks like Benoit is guilty... the above theories are interesting and we would all wish they were true... but no one is facing the issue here... at best we have a murder.... of 3 young people... at worst, a man with mental issues "snapping". The issue is not the roids... roids do not produce mental illness to the level that allows a 72 hour crime... Reference has been made to possible mental issues in the past... turn that around... if a man with the vunerabliity suddenly "starts hearing voices" or his symptoms worsen, particularly one who is known for being as private and stoic as Benoit, then bad things can only happen... Ultimately if Chris is responsible, that fact will stand in history... but I strongly doubt he was "to blame" in the way people seem to want right now.
This is the most shocking wrestling news in my life.
I grow up watching chris my whole life he is one of the best wrestlers ever of alltime.
Wreslemania 20 at the end when eddie and chris hug and cry show what the it meant to them and i will never forget that.
He would have been in the hall of fame and remeber as one of the best but 22 years of the blood sweat and tears is all gone in 3 days.
I will remeber the good times but what has happen is just pure wrong makes me sick mad how you could kill your own kid.
His wife was in wcw and fell in love and if she was leaving him there was tons more better ways than this doing such a stupid sick thing.
What makes me mad is stupid tv/newspapers that dont know sod all about this making storys of drugs,steroids and just bash wwe about it.
I Feel sorry for his family and friends a person they love could do such a crule thing.I just wish this was a bad dream and wake up to see 1 of my hero's here.
show must go on.
rest in peace nancy and daniel
I grow up watching chris my whole life he is one of the best wrestlers ever of alltime.
Wreslemania 20 at the end when eddie and chris hug and cry show what the it meant to them and i will never forget that.
He would have been in the hall of fame and remeber as one of the best but 22 years of the blood sweat and tears is all gone in 3 days.
I will remeber the good times but what has happen is just pure wrong makes me sick mad how you could kill your own kid.
His wife was in wcw and fell in love and if she was leaving him there was tons more better ways than this doing such a stupid sick thing.
What makes me mad is stupid tv/newspapers that dont know sod all about this making storys of drugs,steroids and just bash wwe about it.
I Feel sorry for his family and friends a person they love could do such a crule thing.I just wish this was a bad dream and wake up to see 1 of my hero's here.
show must go on.
rest in peace nancy and daniel
Shen_The_Immortal
Dark Match Jobber
Now that I look more at this, Benoit very well could have been a psychopath. People have said that he always came off as a very nice guy. Psychopaths tend to be very charming when around people. They also can be paranoid and delusional. There has been a story that talked about how Benoit believed that he and his family were being stalked. Psychopaths are said to be anti-social as well and those who knew him said that he always kept to himself. All this points to psychopathy. Killings like this aren't done by normal people. They are done by people who are crazy. Not people on steroids. Like I said, roid rage doesn't last 2 days.
Benoit probably was mentally unstable. If he truly was then he can't be blamed for what he did. When you are mentally unstable you cannot control yourself. It wasn't his fault. I'm not saying that it's right because of course it isn't. I'm just saying that if he was messed up in the head then it wasn't his fault. WWE should do mental health tests a lot more.
Benoit probably was mentally unstable. If he truly was then he can't be blamed for what he did. When you are mentally unstable you cannot control yourself. It wasn't his fault. I'm not saying that it's right because of course it isn't. I'm just saying that if he was messed up in the head then it wasn't his fault. WWE should do mental health tests a lot more.
Loveless Chulita
Cross My Bridge, You'lll Get Served
Hello all
I'm actually very new to the boards, but not new to the site. I'm probably one of the only females (that I know), that has a huge passion for wrestling. One of my main reasons for registering was to read the thoughts of fans on the Benoit issuse but I want to comment as well. Yes, I do believe that Chris Benoit killed his family and I'm going to admit I was one of the people who turned on his memory everytime I learned more details on the case, but then I thought about "Does the bad overide the good?" That's something I'm still thinking about.
I don't blame the WWE at all for the statement they made. They have to try and undo all the slander, negativity, and even fans turning against them for someone else's actions. Vince MacMahon is not a stupid man by any means and he has to protect his business and if that means taking down Chris Benoit's merchandise, so be it. The WWE is going to take A LOT heat for this so if they can make an attempt to downplay the steroid usage that's the angle they have to go for.
I hope they are able to protect the image they have and maybe have less ridiculous storylines and more wrestling. I miss the ladder matches, tables, chairs (oh my!)
But my heart goes out to the Benoit family.
I'm actually very new to the boards, but not new to the site. I'm probably one of the only females (that I know), that has a huge passion for wrestling. One of my main reasons for registering was to read the thoughts of fans on the Benoit issuse but I want to comment as well. Yes, I do believe that Chris Benoit killed his family and I'm going to admit I was one of the people who turned on his memory everytime I learned more details on the case, but then I thought about "Does the bad overide the good?" That's something I'm still thinking about.
I don't blame the WWE at all for the statement they made. They have to try and undo all the slander, negativity, and even fans turning against them for someone else's actions. Vince MacMahon is not a stupid man by any means and he has to protect his business and if that means taking down Chris Benoit's merchandise, so be it. The WWE is going to take A LOT heat for this so if they can make an attempt to downplay the steroid usage that's the angle they have to go for.
I hope they are able to protect the image they have and maybe have less ridiculous storylines and more wrestling. I miss the ladder matches, tables, chairs (oh my!)
But my heart goes out to the Benoit family.
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
Ultimately the bad will never override the good.. the pleasure or joy you felt at WM 20 for example, cannot be undone, only re-evalutated...
WWE focused so much on eddie that they missed the crucial thing in front of them, they were so worried about roids and heart defects, that the wellness policy missed Mental Health... they can't be responsible for it all... but this is where the business needs to change.... someone needs to be....
WWE focused so much on eddie that they missed the crucial thing in front of them, they were so worried about roids and heart defects, that the wellness policy missed Mental Health... they can't be responsible for it all... but this is where the business needs to change.... someone needs to be....
kidkash3000
Dark Match Jobber
I'm not saying that Chris Benoit didn't commit this crime but here are a few things to think about before deciding that Chris Benoit really did kill himself and his family:
- Could somebody else have murdered the Benoit family. Could an ex of Nancy be out to get revenge on Benoits family? Reports have stated that for the last year Benoit had become paranoid that "Someone was out to get him", and that he was also worried that someone was out to get Nancy as well. ( http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29059 ) . Who was Benoit worried about? Clearly there was atleast one person that Benoit believed could potentially cause harm to him and his family.
-If someone has decided to commit murder, and try and get away with it, the best thing to do is to make it look like somebody else committed the crime. Even better, make it look like one of your victims committed the crime, that way it is impossible for them to defend themselves, and the police don't need to prove the case, make any arrests, or do anything aside from declaring the situation a murder-suicide.
-Chris Benoit hated religion, yet bibles were found by each of the bodies.
Also the timing of the murders doesn't make a lot of sense, and the police even called it very bizarre. His wife was killed on Friday, his son on Saturday, and then Benoit killed himself on Sunday? It seems very convient that the murders are spaced out just enough that the investigating officers would be able to tell that Chris Benoit died after Nancy and Daniel, thereby making Chris Benoit the obvious culprit.
- Why would Chris Benoit kill his son? If it is true that Benoit did snap at the marital problems between he and Nancy and kill her, why would he kill his son? Because his son witnessed him kill Nancy? that doesn't make sense seeing as Chris planned on killing himself and wasn't trying to get away with it. The police said Daniel was found asphixiated in bed, did Daniel and Chris sit in the house for a day, each knowing that Chris had just killed Nancy, and then after close to 24 hours Daniel went to bed and Chris waited until then to kill his own son? Why would Chris Benoit wait almost a day to kill himself after killing his son? It seems to be that in a murder-suicide the suicide happens pretty much right after the murder takes place. But conviently in this case (and keep in mind, even the police described the timing of the murders bizarre) all the murders are spread out by just enough time that it would be obvious to the police investigating the case that some of the bodies had been dead for longer than other ones. Clearly, whoever was alive last must have done it (see point 1 about framing someone else for the murder).
- Communication from Benoit to the WWE during this period was all done through text messaging, which only means the messages came from Benoit's phone, not necessarily from Chris himself.
- Here's is where things get dicey: Is it plausible that someone (perhaps the person that Benoit was worried was out to get him) spent some time plotting this murder, and plotting to frame Benoit for it? Could someone have entered the Benoit house without force and killed Nancy, then either restrained or sedated Daniel and Chris (and anyone who has watched enough AandE can tell you there are plenty of sedatives that won't show up on a toxicology report, especially if nobody is looking for it), then waited for a day to kill Daniel, and then a day to kill Benoit, just so there would be no doubt to the investigating officers that this was an open and shut case of murder-suicide, and no further investigation is needed.
Quite possibly this explanation could be seen as far-fetched, but answer this, is it more far-fetched than Chris Benoit, a man everyone liked, who everyone said loved his children more than anything, decided to not only kill his wife but put a bag over his own son's head killing him, and then waiting for possibly as long as a day to take his own life?!
Yes, it seems like this would have been an extremely well-thought out, calculated plan, but how many times have the police convicted someone only to find out later they convicted the wrong person because the real murderer made it look like someone else had committed the crime?
the only thing is how could someone benoit thought was after him get in to his house even when the police said they had a hard time getting in he has two guard dogs and then how could he get back out one of those dogs would have gotten them
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
The latest is that Vince is to apologise... this is wrong
WWE should stand by what it believed at the time, they were led to believe or wanted to like us all, that this was not true and that Benoit's legacy deserved airing once...
WWE should stand by what it believed at the time, they were led to believe or wanted to like us all, that this was not true and that Benoit's legacy deserved airing once...
What further proof do you need? He's clearly guilty. The DA says he's guilty, the sheriff says he's guilty, the physician says he's guilty, the forensic criminal office says he's guilty.
Its kinda obvious.
wow, dude, the world's smartest people once thought the world was flat, and they told everyone else to believe that too. The president said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, if you haven't learned not to trust what people in authority say by now, you just aren't paying attention
Shen_The_Immortal
Dark Match Jobber
they were so worried about roids and heart defects, that the wellness policy missed Mental Health...
Well, mental problems are not the easiest thing in the world to diagnose. For example, just because someone acts strange doesn't mean that they are crazy. That could just be who they are; their personality. I do things that people could possibly see as "crazy" sometimes and other people do "crazy" stuff like bike stunts and skydiving and all those other extreme things out there. It doesn't mean that people are crazy when they do stuff like that. Also, just because Benoit was a quiet dude doesn't mean that he was crazy either. I was a quiet person most of my childhood and still am a little and I'm not crazy at all. Lots of people are. Some people are just shy.
Mental health problems are not and never were easy to pick up on. Unfortunately no one was able to pick up on Benoit's mental problems.
Mania23OffThaHook
Pre-Show Stalwart
the text message just said "back door is open, dogs have been fed"
I sat last night watching Raw, and the scenes of Chris, Nancy, Dan and Eddie at WM 20, followed by the likes of Edge, Chavo and Hunter paying tremendous respect to a guy they thought they knew. A guy i thought must have been all they said he was, which in all honesty made the situation seem even worse. And I wasn't ashamed to shed tears as I imagined what the family must have been through, all the while realising how the lives of my family and I could change just as quickly.
Today we learn that Chris Benoit is in fact a child killer and complete and utter scum. What he has done, I simply cannot believe. There was talk last night of matches in heaven with him, Eddie, Mr. Perfect, Owen & more. We know now this will not happen. I hope with all my heart that little Daniel didn't realise what was happening and that his death was as quick as possible, preferably in his sleep. I fear Nancy suffered due to the bounding of her arms and legs etc, I just hope Daniel was unaware of what happened to his mother.
Benoit, I hope you burn forever in satan's personal sharpshooter. Your name should never EVER be spoken again on any wrestling show, or in any magazine. I don't care what the circumstances were, to kill your own son, especially one so young, is an act of unspeakable evil. May you burn in hell for eternity.
R.I.P Daniel and Nancy xxx
Today we learn that Chris Benoit is in fact a child killer and complete and utter scum. What he has done, I simply cannot believe. There was talk last night of matches in heaven with him, Eddie, Mr. Perfect, Owen & more. We know now this will not happen. I hope with all my heart that little Daniel didn't realise what was happening and that his death was as quick as possible, preferably in his sleep. I fear Nancy suffered due to the bounding of her arms and legs etc, I just hope Daniel was unaware of what happened to his mother.
Benoit, I hope you burn forever in satan's personal sharpshooter. Your name should never EVER be spoken again on any wrestling show, or in any magazine. I don't care what the circumstances were, to kill your own son, especially one so young, is an act of unspeakable evil. May you burn in hell for eternity.
R.I.P Daniel and Nancy xxx
This might get me in some trouble, and i am in no way saying that this guy could be responsible, i'm just saying it to throw out the idea that there are many other possibilities of what could have happened.
What about Kevin Sullivan? Nancy's ex-husband, the former writer of WCW that after Nancy left Kevin for Benoit booked himself in a series of hardcore matches with Benoit, that sounds a little twisted to me. Since WCW was bought out by WWE Sullivan can't get a job there because of the bad blood between him and Benoit. So Kevin Sullivan lost his wife and his spot in the wrestling business to Chris Benoit. Could he not have had motive to plot out a murder scheme that would lead towards Benoit getting blamed for the murder. He would be able to get into the house without force because Nancy knew him and would have let him in.
The dude has been proven to be twisted, he has motive, and he has opportunity.
Just throwing it out there. This should get some good responses.
What about Kevin Sullivan? Nancy's ex-husband, the former writer of WCW that after Nancy left Kevin for Benoit booked himself in a series of hardcore matches with Benoit, that sounds a little twisted to me. Since WCW was bought out by WWE Sullivan can't get a job there because of the bad blood between him and Benoit. So Kevin Sullivan lost his wife and his spot in the wrestling business to Chris Benoit. Could he not have had motive to plot out a murder scheme that would lead towards Benoit getting blamed for the murder. He would be able to get into the house without force because Nancy knew him and would have let him in.
The dude has been proven to be twisted, he has motive, and he has opportunity.
Just throwing it out there. This should get some good responses.
the text message just said "back door is open, dogs have been fed"
but some are saying there were more text messages
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
Mental Health is not about being crazy, it is about signs of depression, signs of being upset, unhappy, overcompensating. Bret Hart in his video interview stated that Chris was not 100% happy with his career, that is a trigger for depression... There is a phrase of "Titan Training" that has been bandied around for many years, basically a philospophy of work till you can't...even then don't say anything.... keep going... you hear every week how WWE is a lifestyle choice... not just a career... a mentaliy that could easily lead to, and miss mental healh issues...
Mania23OffThaHook
Pre-Show Stalwart
It's crazy because even though none of us have ever met the guy, it hits home so hard cuz you feel like you do know him after watching him on tv week after week for the last several years. it's sounding more and more like not even his closest friends knew him all that well.
I sat last night watching Raw, and the scenes of Chris, Nancy, Dan and Eddie at WM 20, followed by the likes of Edge, Chavo and Hunter paying tremendous respect to a guy they thought they knew. A guy i thought must have been all they said he was, which in all honesty made the situation seem even worse. And I wasn't ashamed to shed tears as I imagined what the family must have been through, all the while realising how the lives of my family and I could change just as quickly.
Today we learn that Chris Benoit is in fact a child killer and complete and utter scum. What he has done, I simply cannot believe. There was talk last night of matches in heaven with him, Eddie, Mr. Perfect, Owen & more. We know now this will not happen. I hope with all my heart that little Daniel didn't realise what was happening and that his death was as quick as possible, preferably in his sleep. I fear Nancy suffered due to the bounding of her arms and legs etc, I just hope Daniel was unaware of what happened to his mother.
Benoit, I hope you burn forever in satan's personal sharpshooter. Your name should never EVER be spoken again on any wrestling show, or in any magazine. I don't care what the circumstances were, to kill your own son, especially one so young, is an act of unspeakable evil. May you burn in hell for eternity.
R.I.P Daniel and Nancy xxx
You're a jerk. After two days of investigation there are no other possible scenarios huh? when 30% of the prisoner population in the U.S is wrongfully convicted you are so sure that Benoit did this eh?
For sure, Benoit did this, and there are still weapons of mass destruction in Iraq
I suffer from a physical disability/mental illness. At times I will use *light* recreational drugs and I drink heavily most weeks/weekends. I do NOT however murder members of my family in cold blood.
Being right/wrong, good/bad isnt an action, its a born instinct. It is just a great shame that one of the most naturally gifted performers to ever climb into a wrestling ring, regardless of mental-state, forgot this.
Being right/wrong, good/bad isnt an action, its a born instinct. It is just a great shame that one of the most naturally gifted performers to ever climb into a wrestling ring, regardless of mental-state, forgot this.
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JohnnyRodz
Guest
Everyone was so sure the Ramsey's killed their kid too..well, they didn't and the lives of the parents were forever ruined. All because the police made a quick decision as to who was responsible and didn't investigate any other possibilities.
You say that has if the cops actually found the person who did it. Me personally I think the father killed the little girl. I still find it strange that the cops searched that house for 6 hours and all of a sudden the the dad goes straight to her.
You're a jerk. After two days of investigation there are no other possible scenarios huh? when 30% of the prisoner population in the U.S is wrongfully convicted you are so sure that Benoit did this eh?
For sure, Benoit did this, and there are still weapons of mass destruction in Iraq
We'll see John, we'll see. It's silly to get blinded by your love for someone and let it cloud your judgment. Even the WWE are accepting the story, they just wanna make sure steroids don't get the blame.
J
JohnnyRodz
Guest
You're a jerk. After two days of investigation there are no other possible scenarios huh? when 30% of the prisoner population in the U.S is wrongfully convicted you are so sure that Benoit did this eh?
For sure, Benoit did this, and there are still weapons of mass destruction in Iraq
Well,you tell us what you think happened then,chief. I'd like to hear it. Let me guess,it was Col.Mustard in the parlor with the candlestick,right.
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