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Some Of The WWE Veterans Are Selfish Assholes!

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...There is simply no denying it.

I recall watching a video of Triple H schooling some of the Tough Enough candidates a couple of days ago and one thing he said really struck a nerve with me. He said that he loved the business and the passion for the business neded to be evident in your career (paraphrasing). This sentiment really seemed to get Triple H over, to me, as a guy who has fallen in love with a company that has given him everything. It has given him a wife, a pay-packet at the end of the month and a fan base that really appreciate what he does in the ring. It has given him a platform to showcase what he loves to do and no one can complain with the way he has been treated.

One thing I have always thought about is how wrestling is like a field. You only get out what you put in and it seems that many people are all to aware of this fact. However, the problem that exists is that they do not want to sow the crops or seed the farm. Rather, they like to sit back and allow their farming to feel the effects of their performances. To me, wrestling has always been a business that rewards the active. You look at people like Triple H and John Cena and it is not hard to see why they are constantly on top of the wrestling mountain. They have given it everything to ensure that they are the go-to-guys for the WWE. If I can divulge myself once again and launch back into my prior example, they are the guys who are constantly out on the farm. They are the ones who were not happy with their lot and went out ensure that the next harvest would be better and more productive for them.

However, not everyone is like these guys. Not every man is like The Miz, who has taken it upon himself to go out and make himself the man that Vince McMahon cannot see past. By taking on all of the public appearances and guest spots, The Miz has cemented a place in the future of the WWE for himself. When I think of people like that, I would hhope that they would be a beacon of hope for the toiling talent of the WWE. Yet, this doesn't seem to be the case for many of the familiar faces in the company.

I recently read of MVP and the troubles he has been encountering in the WWE. Now, I do see some of his complaint. He has been pushed to the back of the pecking order on multiple occasions and perhaps this isn't the fairest thing I have ever seen. However, the problem, for me, lies in the fact that he is not thinking about the future of the WWE. Now, I know that MVP is far from being over the hill and could possibly still have a good future in the WWE but does the business run in his veins like it does with Triple H or The Undertaker? I seriously doubt it.

You have to think about the bigger picture of the WWE. When I signed up to this website, I asked the question of whether the WWE was in a good shape to deal with the future and a good number of posters agreed with me that they needed to start work on developing the stars of the future. Perhaps The Miz and John Morrison are not the next Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock but as long as the WWE were trying to get people to that level, they had to be commended. However, MVP's complaint seems to go against that. Does MVP have a bright future with the WWE? Probably not. Do people care about him enough to have him replace people like Alberto Del Rio and Randy Orton in the main event? Absolutely not!

I guess the main point of this rant is this:

When you love a company like Triple H says that he does, must you be willing to take a back seat for the betterment of that company and the industry as a whole?

Now, I know that MVP is a smart guy but I find it to be very selfish that he thinks he should be pushed before people who have been putting in the effort. Everywhere I look, The Miz is looking back at me doing public appearances and working on his performance. When is the last time you saw MVP doing a guest spot or giving a great match or mic performance? Too long.

This has lead me to the conclusion that the veteran talent of the WWE, in particular MVP, are selfish assholes that really need to take a step back and look at the wider picture. They need to question exactly why they got into this business and puts their egos in check before it pulls apart what they have accomplished and beyond.
 
I can understand your point, but at the same time MVP has never been accepted on the same level as HHH, Cena or Miz. I think he needs to get back to being a heel, but i think he's a good worker and i hope he doesn't become a victim of PG.
 
I'm pretty sure if you were in a company for a long while, had everything going for yourself, and just got abruptly replaced by someone who just joined and taken the spotlight, "frustrated" isn't even the word to use for that.

You claim that MVP doesn't put in the effort, but you can't judge that. Maybe he wants to put in all the effort he can, but WWE Creative continuously pushes him down because of his criminal record. There's also the factor of his age, but he certainly doesn't have to think about "the future of the WWE". We're having no one become any major stars on SmackDown! and Wade Barrett is getting his WWE Title shot tomorrow.

In my opinion, if MVP never had a criminal record, he would be one of the top stars of the WWE, because he's proven before the PG era that given the ball, he can run with it.

All in all, MVP has a right to be frustrated, and should not be looked at as a "selfish asshole". He just wants to be used on television, like any other person would want and given a story.
 
I agree with the youth movement 110%.
WWE needs to get things sorted out tho, I agree with MVP and others who are narked their spot has been lost, 2008 MVP was favourite to win money in the bank, he's came off feuds with Kane, Benoit & Matt Hardy that really got him over then WWE put the breaks on, they did that loosing steak storyline to nothing, MVP has been a team player throughout this and deserves his shot, now the PG and his criminal record past should have no bearing on his push.
MVP is a sucess story that would work well with the PG guide lines but whatever.

The thing WWE needs to do is unify all the belts and use the Intercontinetal belt for the guys who are stepping up like the Zigglers, Barretts, Morrisons, Miz's etc and MITB should be given some form of rules ie not cashing in a beat up guy, everyone in their heart knows the belts are props and have no value but the art of making the belts mean something cashing in MITB just totally devalues the belts, I'd personally cut MITB or rejig the concept to a tournament and have the winner get a shot at summerslam, but have a ranking systems guys like MVP give them their shot at the big one if they fail move them down to mid card, if they pass give them a crack at the belt what harm could it do? some of the older guys are short sighted but really some of them have earned their spots and don't seem to be getting them.

example The Nexus angle was to just to good to pass up, and I'd like to see WWE add up and comers to the group and maybe a bring out the true leader maybe HHH or someone but don't do NWO style and overload the team.
 
I'm pretty sure if you were in a company for a long while, had everything going for yourself, and just got abruptly replaced by someone who just joined and taken the spotlight, "frustrated" isn't even the word to use for that.

You claim that MVP doesn't put in the effort, but you can't judge that. Maybe he wants to put in all the effort he can, but WWE Creative continuously pushes him down because of his criminal record. There's also the factor of his age, but he certainly doesn't have to think about "the future of the WWE". We're having no one become any major stars on SmackDown! and Wade Barrett is getting his WWE Title shot tomorrow.

In my opinion, if MVP never had a criminal record, he would be one of the top stars of the WWE, because he's proven before the PG era that given the ball, he can run with it.

All in all, MVP has a right to be frustrated, and should not be looked at as a "selfish asshole". He just wants to be used on television, like any other person would want and given a story.

Seriously dude, I haven't read so much shit in a long time. Who cares about his criminal record, only you it would seem? If his record was going to be a problem, he wouldn't have been hired in the first place.

When MVP came in he was the most obnoxious son of a bitch I've ever seen. I remember him coming out and berating Teddy Long with how much money he was making, and how valuable he was to the company. Well he isn't that valuable now, you never hear of him anymore. I just can't stand the guy, sorry.

MVP was never going to be the future of the WWE. Sure he wants on TV but really he may be great on the mic, but I'm not a huge fan of his in the ring.

As for selfish assholes, yea I can see it. I guess once you have the attention and are at the top of the pile, you don't really want to go back down again.
 
Seriously dude, I haven't read so much shit in a long time. Who cares about his criminal record, only you it would seem? If his record was going to be a problem, he wouldn't have been hired in the first place.

Don't you mean the other posters who mentioned it as well. It wasn't going to be a problem, unless WWE switched to another era. Ummm, can you tell me what's going on right now?

When MVP came in he was the most obnoxious son of a bitch I've ever seen. I remember him coming out and berating Teddy Long with how much money he was making, and how valuable he was to the company. Well he isn't that valuable now, you never hear of him anymore. I just can't stand the guy, sorry.

MVP was never going to be the future of the WWE. Sure he wants on TV but really he may be great on the mic, but I'm not a huge fan of his in the ring.

Yea and this thread is about veterans who are not being utilized in any good way, and you're stating that you don't seem him anymore... hmm.... Thanks for clearing nothing up. All you've done is just ranted on MVP.

I'm also pretty sure that going over Chris Benoit, having feuds with major stars, and one of the best U.S title reigns in recent years, it was only a matter of time until MVP got what he rightfully deserved, but unfortunately, didn't get. The only thing that I somewhat agree with you, is that his in-ring skills, specifically his finisher needs to be improved.
 
Don't you mean the other posters who mentioned it as well. It wasn't going to be a problem, unless WWE switched to another era. Ummm, can you tell me what's going on right now?

Oh a smartass eh!! No I meant you, your the one I quoted no one else. And I assume your talking about the PG era. Well I have news for you. The WWE has always in a way been a PG rated company. I remember going to the old Maple Leaf Gardens 25 years ago with my father when I was nine and watching, Flair, The Sheik, Ricky Steamboat and others when they where in their prime. I wasn't the only kid there either. Yea some parent's wouldn't let their kids attend, my dad did, and I'm glad, I was hooked from day one.

As for him having a criminal record who cares, why even bring it up. I'm sure the WWE doesn't care as they hired him and gave him the US title. So I really don't know what your point is about that.

Yea and this thread is about veterans who are not being utilized in any good way, and you're stating that you don't seem him anymore... hmm.... Thanks for clearing nothing up. All you've done is just ranted on MVP.

I'm also pretty sure that going over Chris Benoit, having feuds with major stars, and one of the best U.S title reigns in recent years, it was only a matter of time until MVP got what he rightfully deserved, but unfortunately, didn't get. The only thing that I somewhat agree with you, is that his in-ring skills, specifically his finisher needs to be improved.

I didn't rant on MVP, I told the truth. What major feud has he had lately? The answer is none. When do you ever see him doing backstage interviews, going on national TV to promote the WWE, getting involved with charities like Children s Wish or anything like that, you don't. Does he deserve what he gets, I don't know, I think wrestler's who put the time and effort into promoting the sport and getting the name out there get rewarded. He hasn't done anything over and above for the WWE and that's my problem with him. When get's his butt out there and start performing like Cena and some of the others do, my opinion will change. Until then, I think he's selfish and get's exactly what he deserves.
 
When MVP came in he was the most obnoxious son of a bitch I've ever seen. I remember him coming out and berating Teddy Long with how much money he was making, and how valuable he was to the company. Well he isn't that valuable now, you never hear of him anymore. I just can't stand the guy, sorry.

Yes, thats called a STORYLINE. He was told to do that. Its not like he just randomly showed up at the arena during that taping and decided he was going to say all that. He was TOLD to say all of that.

I think some people like MVP do have at least a reason to be mad because they have spent time working for the company to just be replaced by someone new. The problem is, they need to remember that they where one new. When they where being brought into the Main Event, or even just being put on RAW/SmackDown!/ECW, they may have taken a storyline or push away from someone to be given the chance at there own. Just like these new people are doing to them.

People end up getting replaced, or "promoted" over others in every job, and normally the people who they replaced are mad. Just like in the WWE.

The answer is none. When do you ever see him doing backstage interviews, going on national TV to promote the WWE, getting involved with charities like Children s Wish or anything like that, you don't. Does he deserve what he gets, I don't know, I think wrestler's who put the time and effort into promoting the sport and getting the name out there get rewarded. He hasn't done anything over and above for the WWE and that's my problem with him. When get's his butt out there and start performing like Cena and some of the others do, my opinion will change. Until then, I think he's selfish and get's exactly what he deserves.

Dude, you seem to not understand that WWE TV is scripted.... No shit hes not doing backstage interviews, those go to the people who are in major storylines or are being pushed. Thats what hes mad about. WWE decides who goes to promote them, they decide who gets the backstage interviews.

As for Children s Wish... Well for one its called Make a Wish... Also MVP is/has been involved in Make a Wish. Also thats dependent on the child and who they want to see, the wrestler really has no say in it, the kid does. WWE used showed parts of Make a Wish in one of there Stand Up for the WWE videos showing MVP doing things with the Make a Wish foundation.
 
Does anyone remember in 2008 when MVP was getting enormous heat and was putting on pretty damn good matches. His promos were amazing and he was climbing the ladder? Well what did the WWE do? Even though he was over as hell, Triple H was the one with the title and unwilling to give MVP a deserved title run. That's life. guys who try and who deserve it aren't always the pnes who get rewarded. TripleH is someone who refuses to look weak in any scenario. Remember 09 at Mania, who should've won
? Orton but Hunter couldn't have that and he knew he was doing the wrong thing by winning as he cheated. If you don't feel like you're being rewarded through hard work and doing the right thing as MVP was doing before his depush than you have a right to frustrated.
 
Wrestling is a money business. Anyone who's in it for "the love of the game" and not making money is a moron. Yeah we hate to see vets politicing, but it's all about keeping your spot. I'd do the exact same thing if I were in the business.
 
Yes, thats called a STORYLINE. He was told to do that. Its not like he just randomly showed up at the arena during that taping and decided he was going to say all that. He was TOLD to say all of that.

I think some people like MVP do have at least a reason to be mad because they have spent time working for the company to just be replaced by someone new. The problem is, they need to remember that they where one new. When they where being brought into the Main Event, or even just being put on RAW/SmackDown!/ECW, they may have taken a storyline or push away from someone to be given the chance at there own. Just like these new people are doing to them.

People end up getting replaced, or "promoted" over others in every job, and normally the people who they replaced are mad. Just like in the WWE.

I know what a STORYLINE is. The reason I mentioned it and I guess I have to explain everything I say, is because, when I think of MVP that's all I think about. Other than winning the US title the man hasn't done much.

Why do some fans think that winning the US or IC titles automatically propel you into main event status, when it's so obvious that it doesn't. You have to work to get there, you have to not only do your job in the ring, you have to promote the WWE to the fullest, kiss Vince's ass so hard your face would be permanently imprinted there or marry his daughter to get ahead. You just can't waltz through the door, win a smaller title and wahoo all of a sudden your in the running for the championship.

Why would MVP be mad? Hasn't he watched others like Cena work his butt off and been rewarded for it. Or is he so stupid that he can't see that hard work pays off. The WWE carries a huge roster and there are going to be some that rise to the top and others that don't, MVP is mid card at best and will always be. I don't see a problem with it.
 
Dude, you seem to not understand that WWE TV is scripted.... No shit hes not doing backstage interviews, those go to the people who are in major storylines or are being pushed. Thats what hes mad about. WWE decides who goes to promote them, they decide who gets the backstage interviews.

As for Children s Wish... Well for one its called Make a Wish... Also MVP is/has been involved in Make a Wish. Also thats dependent on the child and who they want to see, the wrestler really has no say in it, the kid does. WWE used showed parts of Make a Wish in one of there Stand Up for the WWE videos showing MVP doing things with the Make a Wish foundation.

First of all I'm not a dude, I'm a lady.

Second of all, where did you get the impression that I don't know that wrestling is a kayfabe sport. Did I give you that impression, I don't think so. But thanks for pointing it out to me anyway.

I've never wrestled but even I know that not everyone is going to win a championship belt and if a wrestler comes into the WWE thinking that he or she will get an automatic title shot at some point in time, then they're in the wrong business. Title shots should be for those that deserve them, those who work towards it.

And as for the Children s Wish Foundation. Yes it does exist here in Canada, if you had done a simple Google search you would have found that information out. that way you wouldn't have felt the need to correct me on something that I stated correctly in the first place.
 
Why do some fans think that winning the US or IC titles automatically propel you into main event status, when it's so obvious that it doesn't. You have to work to get there, you have to not only do your job in the ring, you have to promote the WWE to the fullest, kiss Vince's ass so hard your face would be permanently imprinted there or marry his daughter to get ahead. You just can't waltz through the door, win a smaller title and wahoo all of a sudden your in the running for the championship.

Lol.... Thats what people like MVP and others are complaining about. Some of the newer WWE wrestlers are just waltzing through the front door and being put right into the main event or into the spotlight.

Thats why they are mad...

Second of all, where did you get the impression that I don't know that wrestling is a kayfabe sport. Did I give you that impression, I don't think so. But thanks for pointing it out to me anyway.

Well you say stuff about how MVP should be doing backstage interviews and promoting the WWE but don't seem to relies that WWE Management decides who does the interviews and promoting. The wrestler doesn't just decide to do a backstage interview one day and its shown to everyone....

Title shots should be for those that deserve them, those who work towards it.

So what side are you on here......... You say Title shots should be for those who hard hard towards them and deserve them, yet you say vets and people like MVP who have been in the WWE working longer shouldn't be mad when people who have not being working for so long towards Title shots get them....

And as for the Children s Wish Foundation. Yes it does exist here in Canada, if you had done a simple Google search you would have found that information out. that way you wouldn't have felt the need to correct me on something that I stated correctly in the first place.
Actually its called Children's Wish Foundation, not Children s Wish Foundation ;) Still, thats things the Children decide which WWE wrestler comes to see them, thats not something the wrestlers themselves really have any control over. Also MVP has done stuff like that before.
 
Oh a smartass eh!! No I meant you, your the one I quoted no one else. And I assume your talking about the PG era. Well I have news for you. The WWE has always in a way been a PG rated company. I remember going to the old Maple Leaf Gardens 25 years ago with my father when I was nine and watching, Flair, The Sheik, Ricky Steamboat and others when they where in their prime. I wasn't the only kid there either. Yea some parent's wouldn't let their kids attend, my dad did, and I'm glad, I was hooked from day one.

First off, I'm not a smart-ass. I'm just not getting a legitimate arguement from you, because you're contradicting yourself all over the place.

I didn't rant on MVP, I told the truth. What major feud has he had lately? The answer is none. When do you ever see him doing backstage interviews, going on national TV to promote the WWE, getting involved with charities like Children s Wish or anything like that, you don't. Does he deserve what he gets, I don't know, I think wrestler's who put the time and effort into promoting the sport and getting the name out there get rewarded. He hasn't done anything over and above for the WWE and that's my problem with him. When get's his butt out there and start performing like Cena and some of the others do, my opinion will change. Until then, I think he's selfish and get's exactly what he deserves.

Once again, the point of this thread is veterans complaining that WWE Creative is giving ideas to people who are just "waltzing in the door" as you said before, and veterans are pissed. Of course he's not been on WWE, that's why we're discussing it.

MVP is in tons of pictures that WWE show on RAW when they are at a special event, and does what he's asked. Some veterans are just getting tired of never getting a chance, when they deserve it.
 
MVP is more a victim of his past... in a PG environment it is hard for Vince to push a former felon... It sucks, he served his time... but by the same token, Booker T would never have been pushed in a PG environment... The misnomer is those who are true veterans cannot be selfish or they would have gone long before they could be called so...

MVP has been around 6-7 years tops... Orton 8... Taker 20... Trips 15... MVP is but a babe in that reckoning... Its ok to be frustrated... just not to talk about it... the best turn their frustration into heat...
 
I'd personally cut MITB or rejig the concept to a tournament and have the winner get a shot at summerslam.

Yeah, pretty sure that's called King of the Ring....

I would love to see KOTR return but I like the mystery of the MITB. When is the person going to cash it? Although, I'd rather see only 1 MITB case and have the match take place at Wrestlemania annually again but that's another thread...

As for the vets who are mad about their spots, I sympathize but I disagree. I am completely for the youth movement in the WWE because, honestly, there's only a handful of mid-card talent who I personally find entertaining. MVP is not one. Honestly, how many mid-card talents do you deem worthy of a world title opportunity and why? The Nexus invasion is one of the best angles to have been run in a while so why wouldn't they be featured over a talent like MVP who hasn't drawn a decent amount of money for any extended period of time?
 
There are so many variables to take into account on topics like this.

For instance, MVP has done promotional stuff outside of the WWE before, like his little thing with that chick from The View. That should help his standing, right? But what we're not privy to is whether or not that was an easy thing to pull off or if Burke was bitching the whole time and kicking his feet. For all we know, instead of it being a simple matter of "sure, book me for it and give me the information", it could have been something he complained about and eventually just had to go through with it.

When it comes to ring work, MVP has flat-lined in my mind. He no longer looks like he's enjoying it and he hasn't improved at all in months upon months. Now, if you were working your ass off and saw it got you nowhere higher in the company, wouldn't you just do the bare minimum to keep your current status? Can't fault him if that's the case. But at the same time, the last time I was really impressed with MVP was during his feud with Matt Hardy which he carried (obviously, since, c'mon, it's Matt Hardy, of course MVP had to carry it lol) and that was at a good time in his career. After that, I see no real difference than what he's at now in the ring, so that might be indicative to say that he stopped improving and THEN they stopped pushing him.

MVP's age doesn't help him either. Sure, older people have made the transition to main event, like Batista, but those are few and far between. Its simple mathematics that if your average wrestler can't perform as well in his 40s as in his 30s or 20s, you need to take that into account when building for the future. Ric Flair may still be around, but would you really book him as your world champ and build a company around him? Not if you have a brain. MVP's young enough to still go, but is he someone they can rely on for the next 10 years, like Swagger or Orton? Most likely not.

Then, who are we comparing him to? Someone like Alberto Del Rio is around the same age, new in comparison to MVP when it comes to being on the roster, and being pushed more than him...but how many times have we seen someone like Del Rio be a flash in a pan? So, so many times. Lots of people are brought in, pushed really hard, really fast, and within a year, they've grown tired of them and realize that they aren't as good as they previously thought, so they downgrade them and then release them. Remember when Kozlov was at the top? How long did that last before he became a midcarder, then thrown on ECW, and now he's tag teaming with Santino once in a while. Bam Neely had a push for like, 3 weeks. Eric Escobar was placed with Vickie Guerrero and put on the Bragging Rights team and soon enough, was fired (sound familiar, Tyler Reks?). So on and so forth.

Then there's the money factor. Put more focus on the guys that give you the best return. Cena sells tickets and merchandise, so any smart businessman would try to maximize his profit by exhibiting Cena. Does MVP? We don't know the numbers but I'm pretty sure if MVP was banking them anywhere near the same money as Rey Mysterio, we'd see a lot more MVP. More than likely, MVP has the same kind of draw as someone like Christian...and they're in the same spot.

Look...I could argue at the drop of a hat that HHH uses his status to fuck people over and make himself look far better at the expense of others than he ever should, because the evidence is there. But at the same time, I'll equally defend his right to be a main event star. As much as I DESPISE how ridiculously often we see HHH coincidentally go a full year without getting pinned clean or something, I don't think any sensible person would ever relegate the guy down to being a jobber on par with Yoshi Tatsu. It's clear that HHH is someone who puts other people down, helps his friends out even if they don't necessarily deserve it, and looks out for himself far more than he needs to, considering his power, but if you're not a pain in the ass backstage, you're impressive in the ring and on the mic, you're making the company money, and you've got the necessary tools...then you should be like the others that have risen past that. The Miz has never had the reputation of being the most liked backstage by the older guys yet he's proven that he can get higher and higher up the company ladder. If MVP had all those factors working for him, I'm sure we'd see him at least in a consistent upper-midcard role, if not higher, but it appears as though there are some (or all) of those that are derailing his success.

Some people aren't simply good enough to be the top of the company. Some people never realize that. MVP might be a member of the Matt Hardy brigade that thinks tenure equates to position rather than value, and while that should definitely be a factor, it should never be the primary reason. Otherwise, Chavo Guerrero would have been a multi-time world champ by now, and that's not reasonable, is it? If MVP thinks he has enough in him to be the world champ of the WWE for years to come, he should negotiate to head on over to TNA and try to prove his success there, prove them wrong, then move back. Otherwise, he should either look to fix whatever problems are preventing his push, or just be happy that he's making money doing something he claims to love and isn't jobbing out to Hornswoggle.
 
Then, who are we comparing him to? Someone like Alberto Del Rio is around the same age, new in comparison to MVP when it comes to being on the roster, and being pushed more than him...but how many times have we seen someone like Del Rio be a flash in a pan? So, so many times. Lots of people are brought in, pushed really hard, really fast, and within a year, they've grown tired of them and realize that they aren't as good as they previously thought, so they downgrade them and then release them. Remember when Kozlov was at the top? How long did that last before he became a midcarder, then thrown on ECW, and now he's tag teaming with Santino once in a while. Bam Neely had a push for like, 3 weeks. Eric Escobar was placed with Vickie Guerrero and put on the Bragging Rights team and soon enough, was fired (sound familiar, Tyler Reks?). So on and so forth.

Del Rio isn't a good comparison. He has already paid his dues and was a star in Mexico, is great in the ring and on the mic. I'm going to wager a guess that he is going to be around awhile. His Mexican JBL gimmick seems like something that could generate a lot of heat. (Not to mention, this is the first time in his life he has been a heel/rudo.
 
MVP is never going to be a Main Eveter in WWE. Sure he is far more entertaining as a heel, he is a natural heel. His feud with Matt Hardy was by far his best work. But to compare him and The Miz is downright rubbish. The Miz has taken a hell of a lot of backstage shit over the years, but he has worked hard through it, as already said here, he does so much promotion work for WWE, has created a persona that matches his character perfectly. He has improved his in ring ability ten fold, whereas MVP has been having the same matches for three years. Fact is, some guys are "money', others guys are not. MVP is not a money guy. Sure he would be a handy upper mid card heel, but all he is showing is he is a loud mouth who would rather bury company talent than promote. The youth policy is a good idea, provided they bring them through bit by bit. No point filling the main roster with guys who cannot cut the mustard. WWE need to stop burying guys who are clearly better than the WWE born and bred guys. I mean Daniel Bryan finally is getting a run, and Kaval shoudl be better utilised. Guys like Ted DiBiase have earnt their stripes, yet are getting buried with rubbish booking. WWE have the talent to be providing a far better product, but as usual, there booking is so lazy and predictable....makes it hard to watch these days.
 
I hate to put on my conspiracy theory hat but here goes...

In 2008 MVP was on his way up. Outside appearences on the View, in TMZ, at the ESPY's. In the ring he was having a good run. And everyone felt he could be in that top tier even just for awhile.

Maybe transition champ, could get a run if an injury came up, wrestling's eqiuvalent to the NBA's Sixth Man. Not a starter on this roster, but deefinetly reliable.

Then WWE FULLY went PG, not flirted with it, but full on. And a certain McMahon, who I won't name because it's unfair to single out Linda, quit to company, ran for AND WON the School Board, and had eyes for bigger things...SENATE.

At this point having a convicted felon who spent 9 years in prison, on the surface, aint the person you want as the face of the company. If MVP was to win either main event title, that's where he would go.

So what happens, he's either told to wait, outside appearnces dwindle, you're in the lower mid-card range, and all of the hard work you put in, momentum you've built goes for naught. Yeah, I'd be mad to.

Could his past be spun to reflect second chances; the great WWE looking past his previous transgressions and taking a chance on a man that in the end proved them right? Yes. But it takes work and creativity to pull off, especially in the face of a Nationally viewed campaign where WWE is already portrayed poorly. It takes bigger, brasser, balls that Vince claims he has.

And we all know...hard work, creativity, and balls have not been the attributes of WWE writers recently. So you get this version of MVP, underused justifies him performing uninspired which justifies him being underused...cycle continues.
 
Why all the hate for MVP, he's not the most selfesh a$$hole in the WWE that honor goes to Randal Keith Orton because MVP has did more outside promoting n his WWE career than Randy Orton and the reason why is Orton is not that of person but he'll do what needs be to him keeping his spot like screw and get people fired or demoted for non-sense bs. MVP is only getting held back like R-Truth because of Vince afraid to push them and give them a world title as it would probably be backlashed by the gov't yes the gov't. Which is sucks and all like when I did a felony on my record before it was erased w/ a S.I.S and me try to get an apptment 'cause the saw that and turned me away. So MVP is not the selfish a$$hole and Randy Orton. Plus I'd rather watch a MVP match over a Randy Orton match as Orton has gotten boring 'cause we all know he'll win his matches and he's like Hogan more than Cena. So there's my opinion.
 
must be easy to love your job when your wife is on the staff as well.. unlike the guys who are away from their family 300 days a year... or unlike the guys who work out with the boss's son in law and all of a sudden become main eventers, or unlike the girls who act like a drunken ****e on mtv and make a bigger paycheck than half the roster (diff company i know but u get the point). The wrestling business seems to have so much backstage politics it strikes me as a miserable business to be in, which is sad since so many guys go into it because of how it appears on TV and therefore having a passion for it... Why do u think guys like DB stick with it and guys like Brock leave despite reaching the top... the business is unfair and a killer and unless you just have an absolute passion for it, you will never stick around. Yea these guys should be concerned about the business but there is no reason they shouldn't worried about themselves either. They put their blood sweat and tears into it and have every right to want to be rewarded, and more importantly every right to be pissed when they aren't where they want to be because some writer doesn't know how to use them properly.
 
Ok anyone that says this issue with MVP has anything to do with the PG rating is just looking for a reason to blame everything on PG. First off, they haven't mentioned MVP's criminal past on T.V. in quite some time. Besides, when they do they are quick to say "he made mistakes, but has been given a second chance" or something to that effect. The fact that MVP has been "de-pushed" has NOTHING to do with the PG rating and everything to do with the fact that he was given a shot and got a minimal reaction from the fans. The reason Sheamus, Barrett and The Miz are being given the spots they have is because they came on the scene and caused more buzz than MVP has even at the peak of his career.

As for the politics and the vets trying to protect their "spot", this is nothing new. Hogan did it, Nash did it(still does), hell the OP praises HHH so much, but you can't tell me he never used his stroke to put the kybosh on someone else's push. Are they bad people because they don't want the young guns to steal their "spot"? Not necessarily. The only time it gets to me is when the guy is obviously past his prime(Flair) and still refuses to see that he should hang them up and allow someone to try and earn that spot.
 
To think that MVP's depush has/had absolutely nothing to do with WWE going PG or Linda's campaign is completly naive. I brought it up to play devil's advocate but in doing so it does make some sense.

Chris Benoit goes nutzo, kills his family, kills himself. Police find a plethora of drugs (including the dreaded steroids) and WWE was under fire again. All of a sudden "Straight Edge" CM Punk is World Champion, and CNN themselves had to ask him...coincedence? I mention this to show that WWE has previously used it's roster to conform to pressure.

When Vince McMahon feels compelled to roll out "Stand Up For WWE" in face of the criticsm its getting from Linda's opponents. It is easy to make the correlation that WWE has also done what it can in the past two years to not give critic's reason to attack.

So far WWE has been criticized for what it has done, past tense. Benoit (concussions, drugs), lackluster Wellness Policy, lack of insurance (although still ongoing). But Dick Blumenthal and the Demorcrats have nothing new to use. They tried with Lance Cade's death, but when Linda put up the Warner Bros/Heath Ledger comparrison, Democrats didn't push her on it.

So why would WWE promote a convicted felon to the top of the company right now? It would only fuel her critic's. It's not right, and maybe not 100% the reason for the slow burn of MVP. But it's not 0% either.
 
...There is simply no denying it.

I recall watching a video of Triple H schooling some of the Tough Enough candidates a couple of days ago and one thing he said really struck a nerve with me. He said that he loved the business and the passion for the business neded to be evident in your career (paraphrasing). This sentiment really seemed to get Triple H over, to me, as a guy who has fallen in love with a company that has given him everything. It has given him a wife, a pay-packet at the end of the month and a fan base that really appreciate what he does in the ring. It has given him a platform to showcase what he loves to do and no one can complain with the way he has been treated.

One thing I have always thought about is how wrestling is like a field. You only get out what you put in and it seems that many people are all to aware of this fact. However, the problem that exists is that they do not want to sow the crops or seed the farm. Rather, they like to sit back and allow their farming to feel the effects of their performances. To me, wrestling has always been a business that rewards the active. You look at people like Triple H and John Cena and it is not hard to see why they are constantly on top of the wrestling mountain. They have given it everything to ensure that they are the go-to-guys for the WWE. If I can divulge myself once again and launch back into my prior example, they are the guys who are constantly out on the farm. They are the ones who were not happy with their lot and went out ensure that the next harvest would be better and more productive for them.

However, not everyone is like these guys. Not every man is like The Miz, who has taken it upon himself to go out and make himself the man that Vince McMahon cannot see past. By taking on all of the public appearances and guest spots, The Miz has cemented a place in the future of the WWE for himself. When I think of people like that, I would hhope that they would be a beacon of hope for the toiling talent of the WWE. Yet, this doesn't seem to be the case for many of the familiar faces in the company.

I recently read of MVP and the troubles he has been encountering in the WWE. Now, I do see some of his complaint. He has been pushed to the back of the pecking order on multiple occasions and perhaps this isn't the fairest thing I have ever seen. However, the problem, for me, lies in the fact that he is not thinking about the future of the WWE. Now, I know that MVP is far from being over the hill and could possibly still have a good future in the WWE but does the business run in his veins like it does with Triple H or The Undertaker? I seriously doubt it.

You have to think about the bigger picture of the WWE. When I signed up to this website, I asked the question of whether the WWE was in a good shape to deal with the future and a good number of posters agreed with me that they needed to start work on developing the stars of the future. Perhaps The Miz and John Morrison are not the next Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock but as long as the WWE were trying to get people to that level, they had to be commended. However, MVP's complaint seems to go against that. Does MVP have a bright future with the WWE? Probably not. Do people care about him enough to have him replace people like Alberto Del Rio and Randy Orton in the main event? Absolutely not!

I guess the main point of this rant is this:

When you love a company like Triple H says that he does, must you be willing to take a back seat for the betterment of that company and the industry as a whole?

Now, I know that MVP is a smart guy but I find it to be very selfish that he thinks he should be pushed before people who have been putting in the effort. Everywhere I look, The Miz is looking back at me doing public appearances and working on his performance. When is the last time you saw MVP doing a guest spot or giving a great match or mic performance? Too long.

This has lead me to the conclusion that the veteran talent of the WWE, in particular MVP, are selfish assholes that really need to take a step back and look at the wider picture. They need to question exactly why they got into this business and puts their egos in check before it pulls apart what they have accomplished and beyond.

Dave, really, this just one side of the coin that was reported. Yes WWE is pushing a lot of young superstars who actually look like they can make it.

Guys like Wade Barrett, The Miz, Alberto Del Rio, hell even Cody Rhodes, all of'em are fantastic talent; but the point being is a fair chance.

If creative had MVP in a legitimate,relevant, long feud at any point in the past 2 years and if he had actually underperformed, I would've called him a wuss for b*tchin like this. But he hasn't. He is a good talent, one that has some appeal. I understand how the focus is on other people right now, but at the same time I have some sympathy for MVP as well. In his mind, maybe he thinks what he needs is just a chance. He is not overly jealous with all the youth spotlight, but just asking for his chance. Just a stellar 6 month mid-card program with some good in-ring and mic time. If he is frustrated, it could be coz he isn't being given the chance to do what he loves.
 

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