Speaking of which...You didn't win anything, it was a pointless arguement.
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Speaking of which...You didn't win anything, it was a pointless arguement.
Tasty,
I'm replying from my iPhone, so I can't do my usual quoting, plus I'm going to give a shorter answer. But I agree that we must have different definitions for the word "opinion", however we differ on who is using the correct definition.
But think about what you're sayin for a moment. You're saying that if someone looks at evidence, and from that evidence draws completely erroneous conclusion, then that statement doesn't exist? How can the be? If I say the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are the most prestigious when asked for my opinion, when it is clear the Rays are not, then your answer is that my answer is nothing, it doesn't exist? That my feelings on the subject do not exist? That's just absurd. If it is my opinion te Rays are the most prestigious, then I am welcome to that opinion, as it would be based upon my own conclusions drawn from evidence and personal experience. It would be completely wrong, of course, but it would still be my opinion.
Finally, use this thread as the best example. I'm stating that opinions can be wrong, and you're tellin me my opinion is wrong, because opinions cannot be wrong. Does your own hypocrisy not prove me correct?
Slyfox and Tasty probably just killed Doug Crashin.
It's my opinion that everyone who has posted in this thread has better things to do on a Wednesday then this.
Tasty,
I'm replying from my iPhone, so I can't do my usual quoting, plus I'm going to give a shorter answer. But I agree that we must have different definitions for the word "opinion", however we differ on who is using the correct definition.
But think about what you're sayin for a moment. You're saying that if someone looks at evidence, and from that evidence draws completely erroneous conclusion, then that statement doesn't exist? How can the be? If I say the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are the most prestigious when asked for my opinion, when it is clear the Rays are not, then your answer is that my answer is nothing, it doesn't exist? That my feelings on the subject do not exist? That's just absurd. If it is my opinion te Rays are the most prestigious, then I am welcome to that opinion, as it would be based upon my own conclusions drawn from evidence and personal experience. It would be completely wrong, of course, but it would still be my opinion.
Finally, use this thread as the best example. I'm stating that opinions can be wrong, and you're tellin me my opinion is wrong, because opinions cannot be wrong. Does your own hypocrisy not prove me correct?
If I had the same definition of opinion as you have, I'd agree with you, and I'm sure the reverse is true.
And, as I said, I'm sure I could find something to support that opinion, in some way, but in the end, it would still be wrong.Anyway, what you are describing is a belief. You believe the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are a better team, which may well be wrong objectively, but its your prejudices that have formed that conclusion, not the interpretation of facts. An opinion is a subjective take on an objective premise or premises. It can, and usually does, incorporate beliefs into that subjective overview, but it has to include objectivity in there, otherwise it is a belief.
No, I most certainly do, and I think if you had a wit of intelligence, you'd understand that I was correct. You would also understand an opinion can take the form of a false statement, which is my point. Hell, do you even know what the word "statement" means?Sly's definition is incorrect though, he just doesn't know the difference between a false statement and an opinion.
And, as I said, I'm sure I could find something to support that opinion, in some way, but in the end, it would still be wrong.
To give another example, one that you can probably relate better with. If I asked the question of you, "In your opinion, which wrestler is the top guy on Raw right now?", there would be many guys you could give an answer for. You could say Cena, because he's the biggest money maker, or Barrett because he's top heel, or Orton because he was the champion or even Miz because he is the champion. You could even say Triple H, for obvious reasons. There would be many possible opinions which could be justified.
But who you could NOT say would be Vladimir Kozlov. In this example, there are many different opinions which could be correct, as there is no one definitive correct answer. But if, in your opinion, you say Kozlov, you would be wrong, because there is no way you can say he's the top wrestler on Raw.
Essentially, you're equating an invalid opinion to what I call a wrong opinion, and that an invalid opinion technically does not exist, it instead gets shifted to be called "a belief".The difference in our argument is that I wouldn't consider what you call a "wrong opinion" to be an opinion. Essentially, if there is objective proof that it A is not true, than you cannot logically reason that A is the inference to the best explanation of the information, therefore it is not a valid opinion. Someone may say "In my opinion, A is the best explanation", and you're right to say that they are wrong, but they are not voicing a true opinion, just a belief.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion1.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
I don't know. I'm probably looking at this with my philosopher's hat on a little too much - you spend a long time differentiating between the three. I suppose my closing statement on the matter is for you to find an actual false opinion that someone actually holds rather than the ridiculous ones you used to illustrate your point, because I think you'll struggle. Apparently I can be arsed to type on my iPhone...
This absolutley can NOT still be going....
The difference is that it's now an actual debate, rather than just a one-sided literary bitchslapping.