So it is safe to say that Aces and Eights have been a letdown?

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Even though I liked that it was Devon, it would have been better if it was Don West.

 

[This Is My Name Thank You]

I did not mind it. This looks like a character Devon could play very well. He has the look of a bad-ass biker. Who knows, just take it and see if Devon can pull this off or not.

 

[Danger Burger]

He's gna need a goatee.

 

[ABMorales787]

So honestly, KJ, let this infidel pose a question to you. What is your honest opinion of revealing Devon as a member of Aces and Eights at the biggest TNA PPV of the year. A big enough deal for an event of this magnitude, or yet another BFG letdown?

You like Devon? The fuck is wrong with you? The thing is people believe the reveal was the main focus of the show or the match. It wasn't because there was no stipulation saying they had to unmask. There was zero guarantee to it. The main focus was divided in 3. A&8's, Storm/Roode and Aries/Hardy. Just because A&8's took a lot of focus months earlier doesn't mean it was the main focus of this entire show.

People forget that and think TNA was trying to attempt some magical moment with it. Hardy was that moment, not the reveal. Devon was just a name to keep the story going and start a new chapter. Nothing more.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

BFG has been a let down for years now, honestly I don't even know why this surprises me anymore.

 

[Slyfox696]

Before I reply, keep in mind I haven't seen TNA in years. So if my details are slightly off, forgive me.

Not buying this. I would expect this from some of our TNA apologists on here who will praise anything TNA related regardless of logic or reason, but come on now.

TNA consistently markets BFG as being their biggest PPV of the year, their "Wrestlemania" so to speak. Things build towards it and culminate at it. It shouldn't be he starting point or even he midpoint of a storyline; something significant has to happen there.

Yes, because significant things happen all the time on the Wrestlemania undercard. I mean, take this year's Wrestlemania for example....hmmm, bad example. Let's look at last year's instead. Oh, well, nevermind. SURELY, the year before...nope, no real significant event in the undercard.

Seems like Bound For Glory is like Wrestlemania then...

So when the build leading up to Aces and Eights proceeds for weeks or even months, and when it is heavily implied that a big development will happen there

How so?

and people choose to purchase or not to purchase largely because of it

Then it sounds like pro wrestling.

And when that big development is the unmasking of a guy who had just dropped the TV title and allegedly left the company, and reaction to this ranged from apathy to happiness at his departure, and then he's the reveal, I can't blame people for feeling cheated.

It's BFG 2010 all over again. "Fool me once...."

"...then I'll buy again next time".

I think that's how that saying ends.

This says it all. Once again, they sold us a bill of goods and gave us a weak payoff.

And once again, you bought it. Or, and this is more likely on the Internet, you illegally streamed it, providing no revenue for the company and are still complaining anyways.

And I mean "you" referencing the Internet as a whole, not you specifically, D-Man.

At no point on TV was it Heavily Implied that something Huge would happen at BFG

Hmm, contrasting viewpoint. I wonder if it's met with actual details describing how it was implied...

Completely ignorant, blind-mark statement. They don't NEED to tell us... it's fucking BOUND FOR GLORY. It's supposed to happen.

No it isn't. What's SUPPOSED to happen is that TNA provides you the best 3 hour show they can book for the year. I didn't see it, but generally an "unmasking" takes less than 30 seconds.

So instead of promoting the best 3 hour show of the year, you're claiming TNA's job is to focus on a 30 second spot. Not sure I'm following your logic here.

Come on now, Joe, I know you're a huge TNA fan, one of the biggest on these forums, and that's all well and good, but I know you know better than this. What storyline has dominated Impact Wrestling for the last couple of months? What topic has generated most interest and discussion regarding TNA on these forums? It goes without saying that at the biggest show of the season, something significant has to go down. It does not need to be overtly stated to be true. And Devon quite frankly doesn't measure up. And I like Devon. But he's simply not BFG reveal-worthy.

I can't help but notice you didn't provide a single concrete example of what we heavily implied, other than you noting how TNA apparently did a good job intriguing you.

So it's not enough they've entertained you over the last couple of months. Nope, you expect a spectacular surprise which could be met by only a handful of wrestlers in the business, all of which are under contract with the WWE.

Jeff Jarrett.

Yes, the 45 year old main-eventer who doesn't need a rub and, over his career, been reviled by Internet fans for always putting himself in the main-event would be the guy to debut as the leader of the group. I'm sure no one would have been less than thrilled about that decision

Good call. :thumbsdown:

Bully Ray.

So the big angle would be the guy who has been working as a heel for months, would turn on his own team to reveal himself as...a heel.

You didn't think that one through much, did you?

Eric Bischoff (although personally I would hate that one.

Yes, because Eric Bischoff has never been revealed as a mastermind of a group...ever...like on 3 or 4 different occasions...and certainly never in an "invasion" angle, like I sense the Aces and Eights are...

Nope, never seen Bischoff as the mastermind of an invasion angle before. You have a point. Or not.

Hulk Hogan (see Eric Bischoff comment).

Yes, because the nearly 60 year old man whom Internet fans refer to as egotistical and always putting himself in the spotlight would have been such a HUGE surprise...

A collection of former WWE guys.

You know, between this and Hogan and Bischoff, I keep getting this weird deja vu feeling. I don't know what it could be...

Oh...right...

Matt Morgan.

The only man to ever receive more pushes without getting over than Edge. And even Edge got over eventually.

Bobby Roode. James Storm (seeing how TNA loves swerves so much). Hell, even the recently turned Austin Aries.

So you want TNA to turn it's three most recent main-eventers into a storyline with the guys who are actively collecting social security.

No, just no. I can't even be sarcastic here.

And that's without even really thinking about it.

Clearly.

It really amazes me how some fans just NEVER want to admit when something stupid happens on their program.

Not my program...haven't seen it in years. But let's face...unless it was Cena, Lesnar or someone like that, people were going to bitch about it being a letdown. That's the point. Fans built it up in their own minds that there was no way TNA could meet their expectations. It's a fairly common occurrence in pro wrestling.

When was the last time a huge surprising angle was revealed at Wrestlemania? The "biggest show of the year" is supposed to revolve around matches that have been built up over a long period of time, and that's exactly what Bound for Glory was. In no way was TNA obliged to reveal anything regarding Aces and 8's at this show, nor did they give the fans any expectations that they were. Imagine if after Wrestlemania 27 I started a thread bitching that the anonymous GM wasn't revealed. People would look at me dumbfounded. This is pretty much the same thing.

The "leader" will be revealed soon enough I'm sure. The fact that you guys care this much to complain at this extent because you're still so curious of who it could be only shows TNA is doing the right thing by continuing to drag the angle out. If you want the pay off, then keep watching. Simple as that.

Yup.

There was every reason to expect the reveal of the leader last night. The biggest show of the year was last night, what the hell are they waiting for? Unless they still have no idea who the leader is going to be, which is a distinct possibility as well.

Devon is not significant. When he vacated the TV title and supposedly left the company, no one cared. And I don't care if he's the mole who has let people into the Impact Zone, the goddamn janitor could have done that.

Did they tell you the leader would be revealed? If not, then your expectation would be without merit.

Didn't hatehabs and others do that for you already? And if you're going to ask a question only to shoot down the answer (regardless of what the answer is,) don't ask the fucking question.

Isn't that what you and hatehabs have done? Shot down the name TNA gave you for a surprise? Why can we not do the same thing to your "booking"? Seems only fair and relevant.

It was a bit dumb. On the other hand, a man just had a mask ripped off and uttered the phrase "Yes! It was me all along!" on a professional wrestling PPV; that alone will keep me smiling for the duration of the A&8s angle.

A few things to point out.

1) It has not been five months of build to this reveal. This reveal had precisely zero build provided by TNA, and the only reason you were expecting anything was because that's how you think professional wrestling is supposed to work and you can't stand being wrong.

The angle hasn't been running for months to build to this reveal or to sell BFG; it's been running for months because it's been really fucking entertaining and provided to focus for one of the better runs of Impact I can remember.

Now I've espoused on multiple occasions about how A&8 will lose all of its intrigue as soon as the member's identities are revealed, so I don't condemn the decision to gradually unmask one foot soldier and a time building towards the leader; it's considerably more interesting and keeps to angle progressing nicely. I wouldn't have gone with Devon as a first pick, I wouldn't have done it at BFG and I would have done it considerably better, but on the other hand I would never have had the balls to include the line "Yes! It was me all along!", so none of us is perfect.

2) I find it curious that at least half of the people vocally bitching about the A&8's reveal not living up to their expectations are exactly the same people who haven't been able to tell us loudly enough these past few months how little they care about said reveal. Odd that; it's almost as if certain individuals are having a good old moan for the sake of it.

Odd indeed. That sounds so unlike the IWC.

Even though I liked that it was Devon, it would have been better if it was Don West.

I stand corrected. The one man no one sane would ever criticize.

Don West is truly my hero. And I'm not mocking you, Don West was criminally underrated. When they replaced him with Taz is when I stopped watching TNA. True story.

 

[klunderbunker]

One thing about the Wrestlemania comparison: it's true that things are rarely revealed as a major turning point there. However, the last two years major things have been revealed at BFG:

2010: the identity of THEY are revealed
2011: Jackson James being Eric Bischoff's son. It was treated as a big shock at the show.

The last two years have had major reveals, or at least one of the last two. It's not as much of a stretch in TNA to expect a big reveal at BFG. Now on the other hand, only one of those times was something promised to be revealed at BFG and I don't think anything was promised there this year.

 

[ABMorales787]

The last two years have had major reveals, or at least one of the last two. It's not as much of a stretch in TNA to expect a big reveal at BFG. Now on the other hand, only one of those times was something promised to be revealed at BFG and I don't think anything was promised there this year.

That's my problem with these complaints. People feel disappointed about something that wasn't even hinted.

 

[klunderbunker]

That's my problem with these complaints. People feel disappointed about something that wasn't even hinted.

I've calmed down about it a lot since last night. The show was great other than that one moment which I didn't care for.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I miss Don West so very much especially when he went off on Tenay.

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[Poop Master Flex]

My big gripe is I feel Devon is not suited for the role he was given. He may not be the leader but they certainly built him as at the very least the second hand man with what he was saying and wearing last night. I just don't think Devon is good enough to carry that role going forward. Maybe I'll be surprised but I don't see it happening.

Side note: When he was revealed why the hell didn't Bully Ray, Hogan and Sting beat the crap out of him? They were standing tall, the whole Aces and Eights stable was out cold. If Devon put them through that much crap for months wouldn't you want to make him pay?

 

[.]

I loved the show. Aces & 8's was got me into TNA again(I'm a sucker for mysterious stables, Nexus did it for me with their short-lived "bigger picture" spiel) and this has only thickened the plot for me. I'll now actively watch TNA as often as i can rather than once in a blue moon to see if there will be anymore reveals of anymore members. I'm going to reserve my judgement for what happens next as i was extremely negative about Bully Ray as a single heel and he turned out great even though he's not the best in-ring wise. D-Von could be great too as a heel.

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

My other problem is with people who say that one moment ruined an entire PPV, I don't understand the logic in saying something that lasted a minute can ruin a 3 HR show

 

[Poop Master Flex]

My other problem is with people who say that one moment ruined an entire, I don't understand the logic in saying something that lasted a minute can ruin a 3 HR show

I agree with that. Overall it was a pretty good show even if you didn't like the Ace's and Eight's reveal.

 

[Remy LaCroix]

JTM, Gelgarin, and Sly got here before I did, so I had to erase 80% of my post to avoid regurgitating anything.

Completely ignorant, blind-mark statement. They don't NEED to tell us... it's fucking BOUND FOR GLORY. It's supposed to happen.

I don't know how to say this, but you guys are acting like spoiled brats.

Didn't hatehabs and others do that for you already? And if you're going to ask a question only to shoot down the answer (regardless of what the answer is,) don't ask the fucking question.

Don't give ridiculous statements and answers.

It's BFG 2010 all over again. "Fool me once...."

I recall you saying you were done with TNA after that. Well?

Devon is not significant.

Not to you, but he is for the rest of us.

When he vacated the TV title and supposedly left the company, no one cared.

Bull-shit.

And that's without even really thinking about it.

Your entire original post in a nutshell. Boom.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Biggest swerve coming out of BFG:

Aside from Roode and Storm, I thought the show was total crap. I'm not saying this based on my "high expectations" or finishes "I would've done better", I'm saying this as a viewer.

1. RVD and Ion was mediocre. At best.

2. Didn't watch the KO's match but caught Godderz getting in the ring. He has a look to him. I feat that's the only thing he has.

3. The Aces and Eights thing. WHY GOD WHY? Of all the people you recently fired, D-Von is the one? The only saving grace is if Shelley and Sabin are a part of Aces and Eights as well. Otherwise, why the fuck was Bully all painted up? I figured it would've been nice if he had turned heel mid-way through the match but no. He was pure cheesy babyface in that match. WHY?!

Also, the ending was just horrible and 90% of the fault goes to Tenay and Taz. What the fuck was that? It's like they didn't even notice the finish.

"Wh.. m ... uh .. Mike ... [30 seconds silence] ... Mike .. did ... Mike ... ah ... did you ..."

Fuck those two.

4. Hardy and Aries was good and I'm okay with the finish. I just wish Aries would've held on to it but that's a personal preference.

5. If you're gonna have Kaz and Daniels drop the straps, at least drop them to AJ and Angle. This will probably lead to the 1000th AJ vs Angle feud. "Can't wait".

Overall, I didn't like it. I thought the arena looked like shit, the fans weren't into it as much as they should, the commentators were ABYSMAL, most of the finishes sucked, the decisions were anticlimatic and it was just a bad pay-per-view with a few minor exceptions.

I'm not even looking forward to watching iMPACT. Fuck it, they'll have to earn my interest again with some good TV. You don't do that shit on your "biggest PPV of the year". Which at this point they should drop in terms of importance because the London taping looked and felt better than Bound for Glory.

Shocking. The second biggest swerve is Dynamite creating a thread that leads to a great deal of discussion.

 

[Slyfox696]

I miss Don West so very much especially when he went off on Tenay.

[youtube]zIn0GchsGo8[/youtube]

Pele! Pele!

 

[Coco]

I adore TNA, jmt, and Gelgarin. Slyfox is fine too. That is all.

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

I adore TNA, jmt, and Gelgarin. Slyfox is fine too. That is all.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

I consider the options, consider that for as far as I and I'd think 99% of people were concerned Devon was gone from TNA, consider that he's pretty over, consider that this is a new thing for him in being a heel, consider that as a mere foot-soldier this could have been almost anyone. And when I look at who it is, I am both surprised and satisfied. Not elated, it could have been better, but Devon, as a guy who recently held the TNA TV title for months on end, never having been defeated and actually vacating it making him look very strong going forward, is a solid first reveal for the group.

So, Dynamite, no. That it happened at BFG doesn't bother me. The rest of the card was good enough to sustain a single big disappointment, but for me there was none.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I recall you saying you were done with TNA after that. Well?

I never ever suggested that I was done with TNA after BFG 2010. I suggested that I was so disappointed and outraged with the joke of a reveal involving "they" that I would never purchase a TNA PPV ever again. And I haven't. Including last night. I don't know how typical or atypical a professional wrestling fan I am, but if the end result of a disappointing reveal is to alienate fans who were previously fans, I don't see how that can be a good thing.

Not to you, but he is for the rest of us.

Hey, I stated earlier that I liked Devon, and I do. I just don't think he is a significant enough player to be worthy of such a dramatic reveal at the biggest event of the year. I have no problem with him being in the rogue faction. And I don't think he is he leader. I just think that while there was no overt promise, it was a reasonable assumption based upon the last couple of months that something of significance would play out last night regarding Aces and Eights. And in my opinion, it didn't. Maybe it will down the road, I just don't think that BFG should be a stepping stone for future lesser PPV's or free episodes of Impact.

Bull-shit.

I base this upon the responses I had been reading on these forums since talk of him leaving surfaced. The general consensus expressed on these forums was that it would be no loss if he left. Many said that they were glad to see him gone, and didn't care if he ended up resurfacing in WWE. Doesn't seem to be the type of guy worthy of such a reveal at BFG.

Your entire original post in a nutshell. Boom.

Context, Luna, context.

 

[.]

It's obvious TNA only revealed Devon since Drew McIntyre, Jinder Mahal & Heath Slater haven't moved up to Orlando yet to be the leaders.

 

[This Is My Name Thank You]

It's obvious TNA only revealed Devon since Drew McIntyre, Jinder Mahal & Heath Slater haven't moved up to Orlando yet to be the leaders.

It would be down. They haven't moved down to Orlando since Florida is south of Connecticut.


Sorry, just a pet-peeve.

 

[Mr Mikey Mike]

This angle has lost my complete interest. Ace's and 8's have been around for about four months and the only member to be revealed has been Devon? Motherfucking Devon? Really? Yeah, I no longer give a fuck about Ace's and 8's.

 

[D-Man]

Yeah, I blew a lot out of proportion. My personal bar is raised so damn high that it's difficult for me to accept a storyline twist when I feel that it falls short of what I was hoping for.

My main point is this...

Devon is a waste as a singles star. To have him become the first reveal is a fail. Like I said in other posts, it makes sense if he's a member. But using him as the initial reveal takes the wind out of the sails of the angle. He's just not that much of an impact player where it would shock us to unveil him. I just think someone else could've been chosen.