Should Dolph Ziggler Become A Main Eventer?

[He Went To Jared]

i am a big Dolph Ziggler fan, i think he has a lot of potential in the WWE, but like what was stated before, he does need to improve on his mic skills. I can definetly see him winning the next MITB, but unless (like what was also stated before) he stands out more with a better gimmick, he's just going to be another Swagger

just because someone has the "look" and good in-ring abilities, doesnt make them successful alone, gotta have that gimmic and those mic skills, or they'l just end up like Test

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

There is absolutely nothing about this guy that makes you want to learn more about him. There is absolutely nothing about the guy that makes you feel like you could watch him just stand and do nothing all day while asking "What is he going to do next?" When he comes out, unless you are one of those people who really want their real fake fighting, there is an instant disconnect. Like you know that there is probably a good chance it will be a good match, but you really have to muster up the strength to give a damn before it begins.

Dolph is missing something very important that you can't teach, learn or hide the fact that it is not there. What Dolph is missing is persence. It has nothing to do with how he has been pushed or what characteristics he shows.

So, no. There are much better guys that could use a run at the main event and hope they don't flop. Flopping always isn't because the guy tripped and smacked his head on the floor. The main event scene is what gets credited for being why people go to the show. If the crowd doesn't give a damn at the mid-card level for a guy who has been a mid-carder more than not, it doesn't look like there will be a good return once he goes higher up the card.

 

[XXJJ]

i dont even like ortons character very much but he is without a doubt one of the ring generals today in wwe. dolph did NOT carry the match that is a silly assumption. however, the guy has all the talent in the world and just in MY OPINION he will be headlining wrestlemania in the next 5 years or so with the likes of cody and sheamus. cheerleader to main eventer lol, but i definitely
see it happening. that 'it' factor is there. not to mention his in ring skills are probably in the top ten or so in the world right now. just my opinion people.

Yeah what match were they watching? Dolph didn't carry Orton, not even close. They both put on a great match.

Dolph doesn't get much reaction from the crowd. Thats what stopping Dolph from being a main eventer. When he draws heat it is usually because of Vickie. It will be interesting to see where this Dolph/Swagger/Vickie angle goes. They will probably have him dump Vickie and turn face. We will see how he does as a face.

You cant make a guy a main eventer if he is not over with the crowd.

 

[Dagger Dias]

His mic skills should not be what it comes down to, those can always improve. If Jeff Hardy or Batista could main event, then it is only a matter of time for Ziggler. He has shown so much improvement and the only thing stopping him is that the main event scene is a bit full at the moment. It gives him an opportunity to get some title defenses for the US title under his belt (no pun intended) before he gets promoted further up the card. I think he will main event before the end of the year and by that point he will no longer need Vickie either. I used to not like the guy but Ziggler has proved he has what it takes.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

It's a hard question to answer. You could fill out a little scouting report that would probably look like this:
Look 4/5
Technique (how the fuck any of us can judge this is beyond me but whatever) 5/5
Charisma 4/5

You know, whatever on that. I think it's simply whether or not he gets over. So here's what I see the WWE doing.

Ziggler is over, but is he over because of Vickie? Well, they're seperating them, so if he's still over afterwards, then we know he can do it on his own.

Second question, can he elevate guys. This is a HUUUUGE job for the champion. Just think of how many guys Cena "makes". So we have Swagger, who is in despirate need of a shot in the arm before he fades away even more. If Ziggler can elevate Swagger, then you know he can do that.

If he passes both tests with flying colors, put the strap on him. If he passes but with just decent results, put him in a main event feud and see what happens.

The WWE seems to work in a very reactionary way. They don't just book out a year of a guy and have him winning the strap at the end. They give guys opportunities to get over. If they get over, they push them more and give them more opportunities. Guy keeps getting more and more over, he eventually gets the belt.

 

[martymcfly]

I think this is a good question, because it is really hard to answer. Personally, I like him and I think his persona is entertaining, and he puts on a good show in the ring. And honestly, anyone who can take the incredibly lame "let me introduce myself hundreds of times" persona he started off with and run with it and actually not get lost in the shuffle has something special.

But on the other hand, is he someone people would go out of their way to want to see in a main event? I just don't see it. As much as I like him, I can't see myself caring too much if he headlined a PPV or even a Raw.

Maybe let him try to be a face. See what he can do with it, because his heel persona has grown stale and does not seem likely to take him to the next level on his own. If he can really shine and stand out as a face, then I think he might make it in the main event.

If not though, it does look as though there will always be a good spot for him in midcard status, regardless.

 

[CM_PUNK1995]

Should Dolph Ziggler become a maineventer? Good question but the simple truth is IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!!! By this I mean if you say "yes" or "no" there just isn't enough room for him to be at the top, especially with the whole raw supershow. You could move him to Smackdown but then he'd still need to wait a while until he gets to the top.

I say give it a year or so and then he'll slowly make his way up. Remember he's not the only guy that's in the waiting line to be a main eventer, guys like John Morrison, Wade Barret, Cody Rhodes and also Bryan Danielson. It might take a while but Dolph Ziggler will be a future main eventer.

 

[hollowpoint]

I think he can and will main event, just not right now. As some of the above posters said, it's crowded at the top and right now Dolph doesn't do anything to catapult himself past the crowded mid/upper mid card scene that is Miz,Truth, Morrison, Kingston, Swagger,Ryder(yeah I said it), etc. There is just so many that are bundled up in the same spot. He just needs to figure out how to move forward. I think separating from Vickie is a start, but that's just me.

 

[TheLambofDeth]

No. There's just no real reason to push Ziggler at the moment. Sure, the guy has wrestling ability in spades but there's no one concrete reason why he should be catapulted over the other mid-carders right to the main event. Now, why he was de-pushed after the program with Edge? Don't know, but had he still been around the main event since then he'd have a bit more creditability. Like many of the current WWE mid-card he just doesn't stand out. For what it's worth it doesn't seem that the writers have quite given up on him like they have with many others, though.

 

[The_Sharpshooter]

Is Dolph a Main Eventer RIGHT NOW? Uh, NO.

So you think that you're gonna buy a PPV and see guys like Cena, Orton, Punk, Seamus, ADR, Miz, R Truth, Christian, Cody, DBD......and THEN see Dolph Ziggler perform? You guys think he's that hot right now? Maybe I'm missing something......

I'm definitely missing "The Look" talk. We need to have a topic about that. When I think of "The Look", I think of lining all the wrestlers up side by side & thinking, "I would pick that guy to be on my team in a brawl". You thinking that when you look at Ziggler? Yea, he has the look....THE LOOK OF A MID CARDER! He looks like Billy Gunn. He looks like Mr. Perfect. How may main events were they in? Perfect was talented enough to be in main events, but there was just other people that deserved that time more in his prime. Maybe not everyone that was main eventing, but enough cats that he wasn't considered one(I hope I don't get eaten up for that one....)

He doesn't even have the sound. He desperately needs some testosterone pills because the man has no bass in his voice. I would hate to see him in a 3 week program with Cena right now. Ziggler has not shown himself to be witty at all on the mic, and that lack of tone he has would be like serving Cena breakfast in bed with all the insults he can hit him with. He would lose more credibility than anything right now if he was thrown at the top right now.

Ziggler in the ring is phenomenal. I can't take away from that. He always seems to have the best back-&-forth matches. But aren't you guys tired of people getting pushed to the moon only to be shot straight to hell? Swagger's my boy! Its an injustice how they treated him with the belt. I don't want the same for Adolph Ziggler(his name around here). Let him work on being PERFECTION like his song says and move him up when he's truly ready, WHICH ISN'T NOW

 

[H33LTurn]

I think its honestly deserving of him to make it in the main event scene. He works great in the ring, has a great look, and has perfect charisma. Maybe his mic skills need some work but other than that hes the total package. I do have to admitt I prefer him as a mid carder. Hes needed there and can definitely keep the US title division entertaining. Its all up to if WWE ever "needs" him to main event. If things ever get boring and hes the only one around that has the credibility to back him up then I'd say sure.

 

[Notorious718]

I'm inclined to agree with Jack-Hammer here. Dolph is great when it comes to in-ring performance. He's already had matches with some of the company's top dogs like Cena and Edge and while he didn't win those matches, he did look damn strong in them. He also flirted with the Smackdown main event scene so I do believe he can find his way there again in the future.

His mic work needs work though. True main eveners are made when the crowd can give you a genuine reaction and this is something I've really yet to see from Ziggler. As mentioned earlier, most of the heat he recieves is actually mostly directed at Vickie Guerrerro. If he really wants to break out as a main eventer, the first step in that direction is to seperate him from Vickie. If he can draw heat and get over on his own, he could very well be on his way to the top. Only time will tell.

 

[Theo Mays]

Notorious is right on the money. I'm a Ziggler mark, he is easily one of my five favorite stars today. I just see "it" in the kid. However, until he separates himself from Vickie Guerrero he will be an upper midcard at best. Sure he had a WHC "reign" while with Vickie but it lasted all of one show. Ziggler is one of the best in ring guys in the company and they need to start letting him do some talking on the stick to see if he has all the tools to be a main eventer in this business. There is no need to rush this as Ziggler has plenty of time to ease himself into the main event. Slowly break him away from Vickie and let him get comfortable on his own and develop himself into the star that he has the potential to become.

 

[asslber]

I thought the Ziggler/Orton match was one of the best matches one a non-PPV show in months. Another thing I noticed about Ziggler that nobody in this thread has mentioned yet is that he can sell his opponents moves like a boss. He's really good at making his opponents look credible, and putting them over even when they lose to him. I honestly get the feeling that he will be the next Chris Jericho if he keeps up at it.

Though, I do find one thing kind of holding him back, and it's his name. Dolph Ziggler. Doesn't really role off the tongue like other house hold names do. Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Stone Cold, John Cena, Chris Jericho, CM Punk(he's getting there). All those names have one thing in common, and that's that they role off the tongue. Hell, I even find it a challenge sometimes to say the name "Dolph." There should never be an "L" before a "PH."

Either than that small problem though, Dolph Ziggler really is the complete package, so yes. I do believe he should be in the main event by the end of the year/early 2012.

 

[Alittude]

The kid has awesome potential and will surely be a main eventer one day. He's awesome in the ring and has all tools to be successful in that category. He seems like he can talk alright but he still needs to improve this as well as character development to become a serious main eventer. People kind of boo him but he doesn't make the audience really want to hate him. Will be interesting to see him once he's in some more serious feuds.

Oh and he needs a name change. Whoever came up with Dolph Ziggler was probably on crack.

 

[gamma2008]

He'll make it in the future, but it may actually be smart for the WWE to keep him in the midcard. The reason the US title and the Intercontinental title have lost respect is that there really haven't been any decent storylines, rivalries, and plots behind them. Lately that has changed somewhat, as Cody Rhodes is starting to go after Orton while maintaining a great character. Meanwhile, Dolph, Swagger, and Alex Riley are all starting to enter the midcard picture. If you have quality talents like all of those guys are, working well-written feuds and executing good matches, those titles will gain some prestige. Hell, Cody Rhodes said he wanted to bring legitimacy to the IC belt, and if the company can really rally behind the midcard and make them more than just an appetizer for Cena, Punk, and Orton matches and storylines it (mid card) will be great. And if its great, this question becomes a moot point.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Well, it seems plain that WWE thinks he should be a main-eventer. Heaven knows they've given him enough exposure in an effort to make him a star. He appears on Raw, Smackdown and Superstars, crossing brands to get matches with a lot of the top guys.......and tons of TV time.

Honestly, I can't see it. I certainly have nothing against Dolph and think he gives his all in the ring, but his push has been extended far too long, IMO. His association with Vickie has outlasted it's usefulness, too. Really, if it takes her to get a guy over, his chances aren't too good in the first place.

Enough with his push already, WWE. If the star power isn't there......then it just isn't. There's nothing wrong with keeping Dolph with the Kofis', Evans' and Jacks'.

 

[Cult_of_Awesome]

Yes. I see him breaking in to the Smackdown main event like he was with Edge. But I definitely think he should stay heel. He isn't high flying enough to get over as a face from his moveset like Morrison and his mic skills still need work. If he stays on Raw, Id turn Miz face and have Dolph move into the young, brash and cocky heel role.

 

[Terry Gyimah]

Dolph should be a main eventer already, I mean the man is a former World Heavyweight Champion, so I can't see why not, if you win a World Title, that means you should be main event

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

I do like Ziggler's in-ring skills but that's pretty much where it ends for me. I haven't seen any great mic skills from him and his heat seems to be mainly because of Vickie Guerrero. I don't know how would he do without Vickie but I'm leaning towards the "not doing well" side. Vickie can't stay with Dolph forever so I just think it's time for them to split.

Dolph has carried himself well, and he doesn't actually have Vickie for the mic skills. They wanted to give him a ridiculous amount of heat, and only Vickie Guerrero and Michael Cole are able to hand a heel that heat instantly. Every promo I've seen Dolph cut has been decent, above average, or really good. He carries himself as a champion, and in my opinion has brought a lot of credibility back to the United States title. He has the look, the mic skills, definitely the in-ring ability, and carries himself like a champ. That's really all you need...

If you want proof, go watch his entire feud with Edge late last year and early this year. He wasn't just a young punk challenging for a title he didn't deserve, he was establishing himself as a star.

 

[The Future Rises]

There's nothing wrong with keeping Dolph with the Kofis', Evans' and Jacks'.

See that's where I have a problem with your post. There is something wrong with that. Dolph can outwrestle all of them any day of the week. Hell.. He can outwrestle most of the main eventers. If Daniel Bryan is gonna get pushed because of his in ring skills then Dolph, who in my opinion is just as good as Bryan and has better mic skills, should get pushed too. Dolph has been improving on the mic everytime he does commentary or cuts a promo. Putting him in the lower midcard would be idiotic. And he and Swagger have been getting quite the push lately. I wouldn't add "Jack's" to the "Evan's" and the "Kofi's". If anyone should be considered a lower midcarder John Morrison has been getting quite the depush. And Drew.. Don't even get me started with how they've been misusing Drew the WWE just doesn't have anytime for some really talented guys anymore. Which is a real shame considering from what I've watched from him in Superstars lately McIntyre has improved greatly in the ring and has added some pretty good moves to his arsenal like that ring post figure four leglock Bret Hart used to do. But back to Ziggler he's a really talented guy who has been improving his mic work and is getting there when it comes to getting over with the crowd.. Why put him in the lower midcard? Especially now? I just don't think someone as talented as him should even touch the lower midcard ever again.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Dolph has carried himself well, and he doesn't actually have Vickie for the mic skills. They wanted to give him a ridiculous amount of heat, and only Vickie Guerrero and Michael Cole are able to hand a heel that heat instantly. Every promo I've seen Dolph cut has been decent, above average, or really good. He carries himself as a champion, and in my opinion has brought a lot of credibility back to the United States title. He has the look, the mic skills, definitely the in-ring ability, and carries himself like a champ. That's really all you need...

If you want proof, go watch his entire feud with Edge late last year and early this year. He wasn't just a young punk challenging for a title he didn't deserve, he was establishing himself as a star.

1. He had the look until that hair change.

2. Haven't heard all these mic skills Ziggler supposedly has. All I've heard is Guerrero.

3. Don't give me that credibility crap. Benoit was the last interesting thing regarding that title six years ago. When's the last time he defended that title? Has he even been on PPV since winning said title?

4. To me, Ziggler wouldn't even have gotten a shot at a title without Vickie. I stick to this until Dolph can do it on his own.

 

[The Future Rises]

1. He had the look until that hair change.

What hair change? You mean that dark hair he tried out for a couple of weeks that didn't work out? He went back to being a blonde a few months ago and his hair is finally starting to grow back. Have you even been watching the show?

2. Haven't heard all these mic skills Ziggler supposedly has. All I've heard is Guerrero.

Obviously you haven't even bothered watching all of his promos putting over the United States championship and his commentary on the Swagger/Riley/Kingston matches.

3. Don't give me that credibility crap. Benoit was the last interesting thing regarding that title six years ago. When's the last time he defended that title? Has he even been on PPV since winning said title?

As for giving the title credibility first off Ziggler was Smackdown's top heel for a while back around the Royal Rumble and has even won the title although being a short world title reign he's still a former champion. And I know he hasn't been defending it but his "champion vs champion" match with Orton was really good with Ziggler dominating for the most part and making his championship look credible by taking the world champion to his limit and almost beating him cleanly. He'll get to defend his title soon. Just you wait.

 

[Terry Gyimah]

Dolph Ziggler whenever they have put him up against main eventers in the past, he has shown that he can put on a show with whoever they put him up against especially if they had him face Cena, or even Orton or Edge or whichever main eventers

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

For those who claim Dolph has mic skills, a good look and charisma (or is at least passable in all three), how would you rate him against other guys looking for a permanent main event slot?

Dolph's voice is atrocious. It is like his voice box skipped puberty. He doesn't have any real strength in his voice. He doesn't sound like he wants to be taken seriously when he talks even tho the few times he has spoken, it has 'been for real.'

Dolph's look is just an skinny, but well built dude of average height. He doesn't have any noticeable tattoos (I don't think he has any). His tights are generic. And just because he is the only male on the roster with bleach blond hair doesn't mean he has a 'good' look.

Dolph doesn't have any charisma if they need Vickie to get him a reaction.. And even that has been dwindling. And like others have said, "he is good in the ring, but that is about it." If that is all you think of the guy..