Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Brock Lesnar

[Rocky84]

FYI, Brock signed a 3 year deal right around Wrestlemania 31. Source? He announced it on fucking Sportscenter. I don't know if the exact end date on the contract is the day after WM34 but as he debuted the night after Mania 28, it's gotta be right around there somewhere.



Why would you do that though? The NXT audience is a very small sample size of the WWE's total audience. And things that get over in NXT don't exactly have the best track record on the main roster. Also, NXT doesn't fill many arenas.

Hey asshole, that's what I'm talking about...source as in the specifics of the deal...I know he announced it, but where's the source that says he will be contracted all the way up to Mania 34 and not before it? Did that 3 years include Mania 31 which would mean 33 was his last? I don't know.

NXT is not the biggest sample size, but fuqtard, guess what, he's competed since 2002 in other organizations too. NJPW, and was supposed to be in ROH before he signed with NXT. Fatass Kevin Owens came in from NXT and beat John Fucking Cena for fuqs sake. Wtf. The guy is a huge star...I feel like I'm debating a couple of newbies who don't know dick outside of WWE. Wake up and and look around. Maybe watch something outside this company and enlighten yourself.

Look at the Shield too...those dudes came right in to the main event scene. List goes on and on. Nak is a big star...I don't know why the hell you 3 dumbasses aren't informed of just how big, but you need to get a clue. The guy is 36 years old...not 16. Watch when he makes his WWE debut...don't know how to really measure a "mark out" but I'd account bet all 3 of you that the house erupts when he shows up.

 

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

Wow! Another idiot. Hmm...I'm looking at the people filling NXT arenas, and how they react AND the IWC. I'll listen to logic when I hear it, but you're crazy if you think it's coming from you lol. Nobody is handing him the keys to the company? Do you realize how long 6 months is? You also are acting as tho this guy is as friggin green as grass. He's been wrestling for years and is HUGE worldwide. Not being able to speak English perfectly isn't stopping him...the dude is just fine and is capable of holding convos in Jericho's podcast and promos in NXT...soooo I think he'll be fine.

Stop acting as tho Brock needs to face a big name like the Rock or Taker only...there aren't any even left anyway besides maybe Joe. Dude faced Reigns and Ambrose the last two years and those matches were shit, and so were the build ups. Nak tho... yea, that's money.

I don't think you understand the wrestling business very well.

Oh yeah I don't. Let's debut a guy and make him our #1 draw in like six months. Pfff, why not.

What's your problem with one more year anyways? Let the guy grow with the audience naturally. I too believe that Nak is a big deal and will become a megastar, but jesus, you can't just skyrocket him to the main event of Wrestlemania and have him beat Brock Lesnar in six freaking months.

 

[BaconBits]

Hey asshole, that's what I'm talking about...source as in the specifics of the deal...I know he announced it, but where's the source that says he will be contracted all the way up to Mania 34 and not before it? Did that 3 years include Mania 31 which would mean 33 was his last? I don't know.

NXT is not the biggest sample size, but fuqtard, guess what, he's competed since 2002 in other organizations too. NJPW, and was supposed to be in ROH before he signed with NXT. Fatass Kevin Owens came in from NXT and beat John Fucking Cena for fuqs sake. Wtf. The guy is a huge star...I feel like I'm debating a couple of newbies who don't know dick outside of WWE. Wake up and and look around. Maybe watch something outside this company and enlighten yourself.

Look at the Shield too...those dudes came right in to the main event scene. List goes on and on. Nak is a big star...I don't know why the hell you 3 dumbasses aren't informed of just how big, but you need to get a clue. The guy is 36 years old...not 16. Watch when he makes his WWE debut...don't know how to really measure a "mark out" but I'd account bet all 3 of you that the house erupts when he shows up.

Does your fedora match your leather duster and sweet wolf shirt?

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Hey asshole, that's what I'm talking about...source as in the specifics of the deal...I know he announced it, but where's the source that says he will be contracted all the way up to Mania 34 and not before it? Did that 3 years include Mania 31 which would mean 33 was his last? I don't know.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that WM34 is part of the deal.

Lesnar's thoughts: "Hmm...should I end this contract before or after WM34? Well, WrestleMania is always the biggest payday of the year. I love money. Nah! Screw that! Before it is."

VKM's thoughts: "Hmm...should we end this contract before or after WM34? Well, WrestleMania is the biggest show of the year. Lesnar is a big draw. I love money. Feuds often culminate at WrestleMania. Nah! Screw that! Before it is."

 

[Rocky84]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that WM34 is part of the deal.

Lesnar's thoughts: "Hmm...should I end this contract before or after WM34? Well, WrestleMania is always the biggest payday of the year. I love money. Nah! Screw that! Before it is."

VKM's thoughts: "Hmm...should we end this contract before or after WM34? Well, WrestleMania is the biggest show of the year. Lesnar is a big draw. I love money. Feuds often culminate at WrestleMania. Nah! Screw that! Before it is."

WOW another fucking ******. I clearly explained the point by mentioning after the "before it" that I was referring to Mania 31-33. Wtf don't you understand? Again, before it (Mania 34) = Mania 31-33 and not 34. Jeezus man. Think before you post.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

I find it ironic that you're insulting people about being dumb when it's really just simple math and basic common sense.

Brock Lesnar debuted the day after WM28. He signed a 3 year contract. He then signed another 3 year contract last year. Hmm...given the dates and times known, it would stand to reason that his current contract doesn't end until, you guessed it, the night after WM34.

I mean, you could throw out the stupid argument that it's a 3 year contract and WrestleMania doesn't always fall on the exact same date. But anyone with any common sense would realize that this is the biggest professional wrestling organization in the world and probably, just maybe, factors that in.

 

[Rocky84]

I find it ironic that you're insulting people about being dumb when it's really just simple math and basic common sense.

Brock Lesnar debuted the day after WM28. He signed a 3 year contract. He then signed another 3 year contract last year. Hmm...given the dates and times known, it would stand to reason that his current contract doesn't end until, you guessed it, the night after WM34.

I mean, you could throw out the stupid argument that it's a 3 year contract and WrestleMania doesn't always fall on the exact same date. But anyone with any common sense would realize that this is the biggest professional wrestling organization in the world and probably, just maybe, factors that in.

wait, so I'm dumb because I don't know Brock's entire fucking contract history since his debut 5 years ago???? lmao.. You're too much...starting to make me think you've got a lot in common with the guy you chose to name yourself after.

Btw, this is not even my debate. That other guy is saying to have Nak face him next year, and all I said was I don't know if he'd be around next year 100%. If he is, it still doesn't matter to me, I'd prefer to have him strike while the time is right, and defeat Brock now. The guy is already poised to defeat Goldberg. How many more people does he need to beat before he gives the rub to someone else? Another year and a half of unstoppable Brock? No thanks.

I'm not side tracking this thing any more about Brock's friggin contract...it's not really relevant to my point, and has wasted too much time as it is with this nonsense.

 

[Rocky84]

Does your fedora match your leather duster and sweet wolf shirt?

 

[Rocky84]

Oh yeah I don't. Let's debut a guy and make him our #1 draw in like six months. Pfff, why not.

What's your problem with one more year anyways? Let the guy grow with the audience naturally. I too believe that Nak is a big deal and will become a megastar, but jesus, you can't just skyrocket him to the main event of Wrestlemania and have him beat Brock Lesnar in six freaking months.

#1 I'm not suggesting he is going to main event against Lesnar. There are plenty more stars to take the top 3 spots at Mania. Ambrose didn't main event with Brock either. You still have guys like Styles, Cena, Undertaker, Rollins, Balor, HHH, etc, who will all prob be higher up on the card.


#2 Look at Kevin Owen's first week or so in WWE. Dude beat John Cena clean. Look at Bray Wyatt. He debuted officially July 8th. He then went on to face John Cena at Mania only 9 months after his debut.

The list goes on man... no need to act like I would be rushing this thing out. I didn't even know who the hell Owens or Bray were, and the next thing you know they're going up against the face of the company (which was actually fun and a good thing). Just as many, if not more, people know who Nak is. He has a history with Brock...he knows who he is. With the right angle, they could run with this thing and market the hell out of it.

Like I said above, I'm not interested in watching Brock destroy people for another year and a half. Goldberg is next, no pun intended, and this Mania is the right time to give someone the boost that beating the beast would give. Who better than the next potential "megastar" as you put it?

 

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

#1 I'm not suggesting he is going to main event against Lesnar. There are plenty more stars to take the top 3 spots at Mania. Ambrose didn't main event with Brock either. You still have guys like Styles, Cena, Undertaker, Rollins, Balor, HHH, etc, who will all prob be higher up on the card.


#2 Look at Kevin Owen's first week or so in WWE. Dude beat John Cena clean. Look at Bray Wyatt. He debuted officially July 8th. He then went on to face John Cena at Mania only 9 months after his debut.

The list goes on man... no need to act like I would be rushing this thing out. I didn't even know who the hell Owens or Bray were, and the next thing you know they're going up against the face of the company (which was actually fun and a good thing). Just as many, if not more, people know who Nak is. He has a history with Brock...he knows who he is. With the right angle, they could run with this thing and market the hell out of it.

Like I said above, I'm not interested in watching Brock destroy people for another year and a half. Goldberg is next, no pun intended, and this Mania is the right time to give someone the boost that beating the beast would give. Who better than the next potential "megastar" as you put it?

Finally something we can agree on. Lesnar destroying everybody has gotten stale.

But IMO, when somebody beats Lesnar clean it has to be at the main event of Wrestlemania and it has to be for a World Championship.

 

[Papa Pillman]

But IMO, when somebody beats Lesnar clean it has to be at the main event of Wrestlemania and it has to be for a World Championship.

I would argue that beating Brock, much like beating the streak, has been built up enough that using the title as an additional prop to the already assumed rub gained by whoever goes over him, is a waste of the belt. If the title is or is not included, that in no way increases nor diminishes the magnitude of slaying the beast.

 

[a0161613]

If it's built up too much it'll become obvious.

Beating Brock is enough. The title can be a separate chase, a different story.

 

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

I would argue that beating Brock, much like beating the streak, has been built up enough that using the title as an additional prop to the already assumed rub gained by whoever goes over him, is a waste of the belt. If the title is or is not included, that in no way increases nor diminishes the magnitude of slaying the beast.

Yeah but, it elevates the prestige of the belt so much. It's like saying Hogan shouldn't have beat Andre for the WWF Championship.

 

[Papa Pillman]

Yeah but, it elevates the prestige of the belt so much. It's like saying Hogan shouldn't have beat Andre for the WWF Championship.

First Hogan retained at WM3 against Andre, Andre didn't win the belt until the next year, and even then he relinquished it immediately, never losing it to Hogan.

Also...

That's still a different story though. That was three decades ago, they needed every hook they could get back then to fill up up a 90,000 seat dome, not to mention closed circuit theaters across the country. The company, the titles, and the WrestleMania brand itself have all built up a level of notoriety that was still in its relative infancy when Hogan versus Andre was being built. WM3 was a gamble of sorts that worked magnificently to birth the modern spectacle of WM.

Now WrestleMania is the biggest branded event in fight sports, and selling Lesnar's legit credentials and last few years of utter dominance is enough to make his match a major selling point at the event without involving one of the company's top belts; leaving the main event titles to add prestige to other matches that might not have the same mainstream allure. The same way Taker's matches were major selling points in the last few years of the streak, that could even close the show, but never actually needed the title attached to be draws. Also much the same way that Cena/Rock 1 didn't need the belt.

I'd also argue that unless Brock alters his contract and starts appearing at least a couple of times a month on weekly television, and starts wrestling at ALL of his brand's PPV attractions, then putting the belt on him also gives away the fact that he is more likely to lose, because once the belt goes on his waist it can't stay long(especially in light of the brand split) due to the company not being able to afford going weeks without one of it's brands top champions. And you don't want to do anything to diminish the rub that comes along with slaying the beast, which could occur if they potentially telegraph Brock's loss.

 

[justinsayne]

I'd rather see Brock face guys I can't stand like Dolph, Mojo, Dana Brooke, etc. I mean if they're just gonna have him squash everybody he steps in the ring with anyway then why would I want to see him kill the guys I actually like (Owens, Joe, Nak, Zayn, AJ, etc.)

 

[nightmare]

It should be Braun vs Brock.


After a year of trashing everyone in sight, have him go over Lesnar. This could have been done with Rusev, but Braun works fine here.

 

[Rocky84]

It should be Braun vs Brock.


After a year of trashing everyone in sight, have him go over Lesnar. This could have been done with Rusev, but Braun works fine here.

In my opinion that went out the window at the Rumble when Brock threw him around like a rag doll. Braun beating up James Ellsworth and the like, does nothing to change that for me unfortunately. He needs to step in the ring with some top names first. Sami is a start, but he's got a long road ahead before I take him seriously as a guy you give that kind of rub to.

 

[ヒュー　G.　レックション]

Who would be happy with, or even care about Braun beating Brock?

 

[justinsayne]

Who would be happy with, or even care about Braun beating Brock?

 

[BaconBits]

Who would be happy with, or even care about Braun beating Brock?

I'd dig it. If they keep on this path with Braun's booking, he'd be the one full time guy with a realistic shot at toppling the Beast.

 

[nightmare]

Considering they need a new monster, it works. In the next 2 years Kane, Show & Henry are gone. Regardless of how much they push the former indy guys, Vince will always love him a big mean son of a bitch. Braun is that guy & he can surely be one of the few to defeat Lesnar before he rides off into the sunset again.

Joe or Owens are still my top choice for this ultimate & eventual rub, but Braun makes perfect sense. We could have had Cesaro or Wyatt be the Beastslayer, but Vince keeps fucking them up. Anyone who fails to see the potential in Braun vs Brock should watch the match where Hogan lost to Warrior or any other legendary battle where the resident bad ass is defeated by a newer behemoth after tearing through the roster. Play the cards right & it would be great.

 

[ShinChan]

Considering they need a new monster, it works. In the next 2 years Kane, Show & Henry are gone. Regardless of how much they push the former indy guys, Vince will always love him a big mean son of a bitch. Braun is that guy & he can surely be one of the few to defeat Lesnar before he rides off into the sunset again.

Joe or Owens are still my top choice for this ultimate & eventual rub, but Braun makes perfect sense. We could have had Cesaro or Wyatt be the Beastslayer, but Vince keeps fucking them up. Anyone who fails to see the potential in Braun vs Brock should watch the match where Hogan lost to Warrior or any other legendary battle where the resident bad ass is defeated by a newer behemoth after tearing through the roster. Play the cards right & it would be great.

I would love to see Brock against Bray or Cesaro if the match is booked competitive enough. Cesaro swinging Brock would be awesome.

I know I an dreaming.

 

[BaconBits]

I would love to see Brock against Bray or Cesaro if the match is booked competitive enough. Cesaro swinging Brock would be awesome.

I know I an dreaming.

Cesaro will be midcard for life in the WWE. That's not really a bad thing. It's a steady paycheck and regular TV time.

 

[ShinChan]

Cesaro will be midcard for life in the WWE. That's not really a bad thing. It's a steady paycheck and regular TV time.

Yeah I know it. I would love it even if he occasionally main events.

But the reason behind wanting Cesaro-Brock is a desire to see a physical gruelling battle.

 

[BaconBits]

Yeah I know it. I would love it even if he occasionally main events.

But the reason behind wanting Cesaro-Brock is a desire to see a physical gruelling battle.

It might be a decent match, but it would be hard to build it. Neither guy is any good on the mic, and Paul Heyman can only do so much.