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Now I know the kneejerk reaction to this is that I'm crazy because Hall is one of the best ever. That was my initial reaction as well, but let's think about this for a minute.
I was looking through the tournament list and I saw Hall at #62 overall, which is just about the middle of the pack. I thought nothing of it, but once I started talking to myself about wrestling in the shower as I am known to do, the less sense this made. Let's take a look back at the career of one Scott Hall.
Ignoring his time in the AWA and his first WCW stint, he comes into the WWF playing Tony Montana from Scarface and does....not bad. He hooks up with Flair for a mostly forgotten feud with Savage before moving on to face Bret for pretty much his only major WWF Title shot. Hall then starts his deal with the 1-2-3 Kid and turns face as a result. He wins the IC Title and starts his most famous WWF feud with Shawn, resulting in their classic ladder match at Wrestlemania X.
Then he kind of falls off the map. He kept the IC Title for awhile and feuded with a bunch of midcard heels, ranging from Jeff Jarrett to IRS to Goldust. The matches are ok but he never jumps up the card at all as he seems to be this guy that's always around the midcard but never does anything significant. The only highlight was another great ladder match with Shawn at Summerslam 95, which pretty much comes and goes.
After that he just kind of fades away until he jumps the railing at Nitro and launches the biggest angle in history (arguably) in the form of the NWO. Now that right there would probably put him on the list of all time legends in most peoples' eyes, but again let's stop and think about this: other than being there first, what did Hall really add to the NWO?
Hall jumped the guardrail and was the hot topic for about two weeks. He said two very famous lines with "You know who I am, but you don't know why I'm here" and "You want a war? You got one". Then Nash showed up as Hall's surprise and Hall is immediately in the back seat. Think about it. Nash was the one that powerbombed Bischoff off the stage. Nash was the bigger star in WWF. Nash was the one that had been in the main event when he left. Hall had been in a midcard feud with Goldust that never had a blowoff. At In Your House 7, both men's last major appearance in the WWF, Hall lost to Vader in a long match that no one remembers, while Nash lost in the main event in arguably his best match ever.
In short, Hall stopped meaning as much. Then we get to Bash at the Beach and Hall is pretty much reduced to Hogan Goon B. Then the NWO explodes as the hottest angle in the world and the Outsiders win the tag titles. They never really defended them, so while Hall had some long runs, he was never in the ring doing anything while the rest of the big names in the NWO got all the spotlight.
After that....Hall really didn't do anything for the rest of his mainstream career. He had a ton of personal problems and was often off the shows which explains a lot of it. However, here's where this really started to click for me: name one great or even very good match that Hall had in WCW. He didn't have that many big matches and most of them weren't very good at all. He was completely overshaddowed by Hogan and Nash and others, and his matches weren't very good.
To sum up Hall's career in the ring, it would be that of a guy with talent and two or three very good matches, but for the most part he was famous for being around others that were more famous. After 1995, I don't remember any truly good match the guy had, but he's considered among some of the best ever. Not one of the elite, but you always hear his name among some of the big stars. He's very overrated in my eyes in that regard, because other than a few matches, he never was anything great in the ring.
Thoughts?
I was looking through the tournament list and I saw Hall at #62 overall, which is just about the middle of the pack. I thought nothing of it, but once I started talking to myself about wrestling in the shower as I am known to do, the less sense this made. Let's take a look back at the career of one Scott Hall.
Ignoring his time in the AWA and his first WCW stint, he comes into the WWF playing Tony Montana from Scarface and does....not bad. He hooks up with Flair for a mostly forgotten feud with Savage before moving on to face Bret for pretty much his only major WWF Title shot. Hall then starts his deal with the 1-2-3 Kid and turns face as a result. He wins the IC Title and starts his most famous WWF feud with Shawn, resulting in their classic ladder match at Wrestlemania X.
Then he kind of falls off the map. He kept the IC Title for awhile and feuded with a bunch of midcard heels, ranging from Jeff Jarrett to IRS to Goldust. The matches are ok but he never jumps up the card at all as he seems to be this guy that's always around the midcard but never does anything significant. The only highlight was another great ladder match with Shawn at Summerslam 95, which pretty much comes and goes.
After that he just kind of fades away until he jumps the railing at Nitro and launches the biggest angle in history (arguably) in the form of the NWO. Now that right there would probably put him on the list of all time legends in most peoples' eyes, but again let's stop and think about this: other than being there first, what did Hall really add to the NWO?
Hall jumped the guardrail and was the hot topic for about two weeks. He said two very famous lines with "You know who I am, but you don't know why I'm here" and "You want a war? You got one". Then Nash showed up as Hall's surprise and Hall is immediately in the back seat. Think about it. Nash was the one that powerbombed Bischoff off the stage. Nash was the bigger star in WWF. Nash was the one that had been in the main event when he left. Hall had been in a midcard feud with Goldust that never had a blowoff. At In Your House 7, both men's last major appearance in the WWF, Hall lost to Vader in a long match that no one remembers, while Nash lost in the main event in arguably his best match ever.
In short, Hall stopped meaning as much. Then we get to Bash at the Beach and Hall is pretty much reduced to Hogan Goon B. Then the NWO explodes as the hottest angle in the world and the Outsiders win the tag titles. They never really defended them, so while Hall had some long runs, he was never in the ring doing anything while the rest of the big names in the NWO got all the spotlight.
After that....Hall really didn't do anything for the rest of his mainstream career. He had a ton of personal problems and was often off the shows which explains a lot of it. However, here's where this really started to click for me: name one great or even very good match that Hall had in WCW. He didn't have that many big matches and most of them weren't very good at all. He was completely overshaddowed by Hogan and Nash and others, and his matches weren't very good.
To sum up Hall's career in the ring, it would be that of a guy with talent and two or three very good matches, but for the most part he was famous for being around others that were more famous. After 1995, I don't remember any truly good match the guy had, but he's considered among some of the best ever. Not one of the elite, but you always hear his name among some of the big stars. He's very overrated in my eyes in that regard, because other than a few matches, he never was anything great in the ring.
Thoughts?