Say, We Could Learn Something From That Chap Chris Brown, Knaw'Mean?

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I actually agree and think you make some really valid points. WWE is quite simply not creating the same level of stars as it was a decade ago. I believe the talent is there with guys like Ziggler, Rhodes and Miz but the problem resides with bad booking. In the past WWE used their top marquee stars to help create new stars, one of the prime reasons they triumphed over WCW. Nowadays however it seems that the younger guys who show potential are built upto a point, given a brief stint in the main event schooled and made to look weak by Punk or Cena (Orton has been terrific on SD recently putting people over) and reside in the upper mid-card until needed in the main event again.

This was noted most recently in Ziggler's brief run at main-event fame where he was basically booked as Punk's bitch, he couldn't beat him in spite of massive help form JL, Miz dropping the title to Cena where he basically lost a handicap I Quit match and his subsequent fall to mid-card siberia. Compare this to guys like Taker, Rock and Foley putting over a multitude of younger talent often losing clean and losing fueds overall to help escalate incoming stars like Lesnar, Jeff Hardy, Y2J and Angle onto the next level.

The problem is WWE is so fixated and reliant upon Cena, Orton and now to an extent Punk to carry the program that they seem to feel the need to make them look strong at every turn, not realising that an air of vulnerability and the odd loss does a superstar at their level no harm at all. In fact Cena would garner a lot less hate if he would actually just lose clean every now and again. This is why the WWE is becoming so reliant on stars from the past to carry this years mania buyrate.

You reaize that Punk wasn't really a star until this year right? Yea, he had title reigns, but now people who aren't wrestling fans know who he is. So count that as one star made.

It's not the bookings fault. They've been given the chance. You don't get over with title reigns or wins, you get over by being interesting.

You guys ALWAYS talk about "years ago" but look at the age of the roster now. They're super young. A pro wrestler's peak is early-mid 30s because it's such a mental profession. That time period is when they're both physically fit and smart enough to really get over. If you don't believe me, look at the average age of when guys were given the strap. You'll have outliers like Rock, Lesnar, and Orton, but they are generally late 20s at the earliest. Austin was 33, HBK was 30, HHH was 30, Hart was 35 I believe.

Seriously, you guys need to chill out. Stop letting "ZOMG 2.75 IN TEH RATINGZ!!!' get to you and actually look at things objectively. They are RANKED in the top 3 virtually every week. That's insanely strong. They sell SOOOOOO many tickets each year. They do all of this YEAR ROUND. That's what's so incredible is that there is no offseason. I'm a huge sports fan, but I can't watch the NBA preseason-NBA finals, I get tired of it, can't do it with any sport except baseball. However, the WWE keeps the interest at a pretty high level year round.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Here's the thing.

I am not a professor.


Good, now moving on...


We watched (or a bulk of us) wrestling with all our classmates. We said 'Suck It', 'Hell Yeah' and what not. They moved on from that phase, some reason we stuck around.


The AE was great. Loved it. For me it was the best time to watch wrestling, due to my age and its popularity. Nowadays, same friends who were 'die-hard' fans and would watch Live-fuckin'-Wire ask 'You still watch it?' .

"Ye I like it seee, it's stil real to me meeeehhhhh".

No I don't say that. I don't say SUCK IT to anyone who I have disagreements with. I act like a normal being does and call my lawyer Patelstein. I don't know why my intelligence has to be belittled coza the action of a few. Are soap operas any less ******ed at times? Million still watch it. The media has labeled it a certain way and that's all there is to it. Every common man hears the news. And they trumpet the stupidity in the ring or showcase people dying outside it. Is Media coverage one-sided and harming it? I think so. Atleast it has been for some time.

It has been simple minded and entertaining always. Depends on your taste


Monday Night Wars was a bubble, it popped. Ratings slid blah blah blah. True Story, especially the blah part. I always expect business to go up and down. Yes, the popularity is less but there are same idiots as there were before. Is anyone gonna say a grown man putting a snake-sock on his hand wins him matches whilst explaining why it is fun? Alien Astronaut Conspiracist are heartily amused.


Yes, CM Punk must pick fights with Chris Brown. Same reason they partnered with MTV and exposed Andre's schlong to Cyndi Lauper backstage. Staying relevant to the times is what bands, musicians, artists, movies etc. all have done.


It's a publicity ploy. I really just wanna sit back on my hammock, sipping 12 year aged Chinese Sunny Delight and laugh at the twitter screenshots while these twit-slap each other.


I'm such a fuckin' stereotype I know.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Here's the thing.

I am not a professor.


Good, now moving on...


We watched (or a bulk of us) wrestling with all our classmates. We said 'Suck It', 'Hell Yeah' and what not. They moved on from that phase, some reason we stuck around.


The AE was great. Loved it. For me it was the best time to watch wrestling, due to my age and its popularity. Nowadays, same friends who were 'die-hard' fans and would watch Live-fuckin'-Wire ask 'You still watch it?' .

"Ye I like it seee, it's stil real to me meeeehhhhh".

No I don't say that. I don't say SUCK IT to anyone who I have disagreements with. I act like a normal being does and call my lawyer Patelstein. I don't know why my intelligence has to be belittled coza the action of a few. Are soap operas any less ******ed at times? Million still watch it. The media has labeled it a certain way and that's all there is to it. Every common man hears the news. And they trumpet the stupidity in the ring or showcase people dying outside it. Is Media coverage one-sided and harming it? I think so. Atleast it has been for some time.

It has been simple minded and entertaining always. Depends on your taste


Monday Night Wars was a bubble, it popped. Ratings slid blah blah blah. True Story, especially the blah part. I always expect business to go up and down. Yes, the popularity is less but there are same idiots as there were before. Is anyone gonna say a grown man putting a snake-sock on his hand wins him matches whilst explaining why it is fun? Alien Astronaut Conspiracist are heartily amused.


Yes, CM Punk must pick fights with Chris Brown. Same reason they partnered with MTV and exposed Andre's schlong to Cyndi Lauper backstage. Staying relevant to the times is what bands, musicians, artists, movies etc. all have done.


It's a publicity ploy. I really just wanna sit back on my hammock, sipping 12 year aged Chinese Sunny Delight and laugh at the twitter screenshots while these twit-slap each other.


I'm such a fuckin' stereotype I know.

I'm not saying it's not popular. Just saying that people put the attitude era up on this untouchable pedistal. My point is that whatever WWE has lost in ratings, which isn't as much as you'd think considering all the alternative ways to watch, they're picking up in good PR. You don't hear as much outrage about the show anymore.

I agre that it's probably a publicity ploy and I agree with most of the other things you said too.

Kinda like Punks idea of an MMA fight between the two to benefit women's rights. Could benefit both their careers (as long as Punk wins, which he would).

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

I'm not saying it's not popular. Just saying that people put the attitude era up on this untouchable pedistal. My point is that whatever WWE has lost in ratings, which isn't as much as you'd think considering all the alternative ways to watch, they're picking up in good PR. You don't hear as much outrage about the show anymore.

Till someone dies. However I do think the Benoit case now results in one chairshot to the head per year rule.

It's sentiment. I don't wanna look at the AE logically. When some of the old schoolers belittle the AE, does it touch a nerve? Damn right it does. It is synonymous with our childhoods and gave us so many special moments which we now so subtly call MARK THE FUCK OUT!!!


Did it have its flaws?





Incest angles.




That's all.

I agre that it's probably a publicity ploy and I agree with most of the other things you said too.

Kinda like Punks idea of an MMA fight between the two to benefit women's rights. Could benefit both their careers (as long as Punk wins, which he would).

Punk should be On The View...that show's still on right? God Rosie O'Donell is hawt!

Will only benefit Punk's. Music is on a much higher pedestal than Wrestling all around the globe.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Till someone dies. However I do think the Benoit case now results in one chairshot to the head per year rule.

It's sentiment. I don't wanna look at the AE logically. When some of the old schoolers belittle the AE, does it touch a nerve? Damn right it does. It is synonymous with our childhoods and gave us so many special moments which we now so subtly call MARK THE FUCK OUT!!!


Did it have its flaws?





Incest angles.




That's all.




Punk should be On The View...that show's still on right? God Rosie O'Donell is hawt!

Will only benefit Punk's. Music is on a much higher pedestal than Wrestling all around the globe.

It wouldn't only be good for Punk. Think of it from a PR perspective. Brown apologizes, gets the shit kicked out of him by a bigger, stronger man, all for the benefit of women. How much better of an "I'm really REALLY sorry please forgive me and buy my records" can you get?

It doesn't matter who he gets the shit kicked out of him by, anyone will do. It works from a PR perspective for Brown.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

It wouldn't only be good for Punk. Think of it from a PR perspective. Brown apologizes, gets the shit kicked out of him by a bigger, stronger man, all for the benefit of women. How much better of an "I'm really REALLY sorry please forgive me and buy my records" can you get?

It doesn't matter who he gets the shit kicked out of him by, anyone will do. It works from a PR perspective for Brown.

Why would Brown apologize and then get his shit kicked? Is that MMA fight gonna be scripted? Well then yeah, he has to lose. We can't have him beating both genders black & blue.


At this point Brown is epitome of how we lick the feet of celebrity superstars, why? Because he beat up a woman, a fellow global superstar and still wins a Grammy and sells millions of records. Sure he has given a second chance and paid his penance and what not. I hear the trash he had to pick was like all crumpled and shit. The horror!

I could side one issue that no matter how big and good he gets these stains will dog him, but then I heard he acted like a douche on several shows and trashed hotel rooms. Fuck this media. Fuck their fire-speed technology and spread! I remember the happy time when wrestlers did worse things than that. Go through some of Monsieur Lawler's tales from Memphis and Chris Brown is like Muhammad. That's a bad simile.


But ye given the scripted fight you presented. Nah, I wouldn't watch it then. I paid to see a race war, and by god I shall see it!

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Why would Brown apologize and then get his shit kicked? Is that MMA fight gonna be scripted? Well then yeah, he has to lose. We can't have him beating both genders black & blue.


At this point Brown is epitome of how we lick the feet of celebrity superstars, why? Because he beat up a woman, a fellow global superstar and still wins a Grammy and sells millions of records. Sure he has given a second chance and paid his penance and what not. I hear the trash he had to pick was like all crumpled and shit. The horror!

I could side one issue that no matter how big and good he gets these stains will dog him, but then I heard he acted like a douche on several shows and trashed hotel rooms. Fuck this media. Fuck their fire-speed technology and spread! I remember the happy time when wrestlers did worse things than that. Go through some of Monsieur Lawler's tales from Memphis and Chris Brown is like Muhammad. That's a bad simile.


But ye given the scripted fight you presented. Nah, I wouldn't watch it then. I paid to see a race war, and by god I shall see it!

No, legit fight. I trust Punk would win. I think it would also help Brown sell more records. Then again, I don't know much about the people who listen to him. Maybe him beating a woman gives him more "cred" or whatever.

the grammys are a joke. Nobody who legitimately knows anything about music sees it as anything other than a "who had the best marketing team" competition.

 

[Steve0904]

Hahaha dude do you know how sad you look.

Don't try to pretend like he's not making legit points because he went on a rant, because he is. It was a relatively articulate rant too. He's right about people putting the AE up on a pedistal because they do. Most people on these forums watched the AE as kids so they look at it with nostalgia and rose coloured glasses. It was entertaining, but there's no denying it was trash. Humans by nature are animals. The AE kind of tapped into that side of our brain.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Hahaha dude do you know how sad you look.

This is similar to how when Cena brings up a lot of good points, Rock just says "yea, well you have a MANGINA".

In other words, you don't actually have anything to say because you aren't smart enough to counter any of the arguments. Now, Rock does it in an entertaining manner and stays within his character and appeals to millions of people and is playing the perfect foil to another iconic, generational talent. What's your excuse?


Anyone think this is a work? I don't mean just a publicity stunt, but any chance Brown is at Mania? I personally doubt it, he seems like a douche. Plus I think it'd hurt Punk because his character is all about being true to self. If people found out it was a work, I think Punk would lose respect.

 

[sjdigitall]

Here's something from an outsider. http://www.drpolitics.com/articles/professional_wrestling.htm
Hmmm "I have another pernicious force to suggest: professional wrestling. The epitome of violence, sadomasochism, and sleaze, professional wrestling is trash TV for ugly Americans."

Dude this Article's credibility goes out the window when he spells Ric Flair as Rik Flair

Oh, and " "Stone Cold" Steve Austin--the top attraction of the WWF--is best known for extending his middle finger during matches and interviews."

Oh, and "Wrestling is overtly misogynist. Between matches, scantily-clad women parade around the ring. Women grapplers are subject to "after-hours wrestling" (a version of the Hollywood casting couch). Sable, wrestling's biggest female star, recently settled a lawsuit against the WWF, in which she alleged that the business "had become so obscene and so vulgar" that she no longer wishes to be a part of it."

Oh, and "Martha Hart, Owen's widow, has initiated a 46-count lawsuit against the WWF, contending that "professional wrestling has become a showy display of graphic violence, sexual themes, and dangerous stunts."

So yea, choke on that fuckhead. A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE thought it was trash TV. Published March of 2000.

Ok so who the hell is Ted Rueter and why is his opinion so important to you that you think it counts as the majority opinion. Ahh i see you just googled whatever stupid article you can find from some nobody to back your dumbass point.

Here's another http://www.blackchampagne.com/reviews/tv-jerry-springer.shtml

With " I never used to watch TV, and especially not any trash TV. Not since I was about 11 and living in Texas and was briefly amused by the antics of pro wrestling." He uses pro wrestling=trash tv as if it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE. That's how the rest of the world sees it and it sees in in large part because of the attitude era. Notice how almost immediately after that statement, he also references Jerry Springer.

Definition of trash TV http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trash+television
Hmm, "the broadcasting of television programs featuring violence, profanity, partial nudity, and other vulgar subject matter" sounds like the tude era.

More hilariousness to prove my point and how fucking dumb you are in thinking that the attitude era wasn't trash TV
http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume44/V44012004.htm

Here's something "What is it that makes wrestling so popular? Could it be the cussing? Could it be the immodest clothing? Could it be the total lack of respect for mankind? Yes, all of these sinful activities, as well as others, collide to make the WWF the top-rated program in America"

Something else "Professional wrestling has gone from “wholesome entertainment” to “sinful garbage!” "

Now, granted the guy who wrote it was a bit overly religious, but it's still definately an opinion held by many.

Dude you kinda sound like your overly religious or a pussy that doesnt live in the real world. If you seriously got offended by anything in the Attitude era than i dont think you ever watch any movie over PG-13 do you. Sure there were alot of shocking moments but there wasnt anything where i downright felt like i was being offended.

In other words, don't get all butt hurt that I said that "the attitude era was so successful because it was trash TV". BECAUSE THAT'S THE TRUTH. Holy shit dude.


YES IT'S FUCKING TRASHY. You people who say "TWJC doesn't know anything, wtf more people watched" are incredibly stupid. I mean, your reasoning and logic skill are practically non existant. Jersey Shore once had higher ratings than a Yankees/Red Sox game WITHIN THE CITY OF NEW YORK. Think about that. It's so popular, that, the greatest baseball rivalry, in the biggest, most rabib (arguable) baseball market, had LESS VIEWERS than Jersey Shore. It can be successful and trashy at the same time. In fact, that's a pretty damn easy way to get high ratings. People like car accidents.

Dude heres the thing, you do talk alot of crap about the attitude era but why should anyone take seriously, which is why i was laughing at you initially. Have you ever run a wrestling promotion? are you in the industry? ever even been in a ring? You do talk badly about legends such as The Rock and Stone Cold but who the hell are you? are you anybody in the industry?

 

[thexfactor]

Yeah I agree. Anyone who's not a top superstar or has ran a wrestling promotion themselves shouldn't be allowed to have critical opinions. I mean, what do you think this is? Some kind of forum to discuss these types of... oh wait.

 

[BillAlfonso]

I'd like to say that, unless you were in that car that day with Chris Brown and Rhianna, everyone needs to stop with the judgement of him. We weren't there and don't know what happened really.

I really don't think pro wrestling is really as relevant as it was in years past, when I was in middle school during the Attitude Era, everyone including the cool kids at least had a passing knowledge of pro wrestling and no one was ashamed of it. It was like video games, it has it's niche market but expanded to corresponding degrees to the outlying markets. The main problem is that it's not packaged the same way at all and is presented in a slightly similar way. The Attitude Era was packaged as just that, Attitude. you didn't see the scientific matches because guys weren't interested in that, they just wanted to assert themselves. At this time, Vince McMahon was starting to pull the curtain back as well so it began to be packaged less as pro wrestling and more as sport entertainment so over time, as you go further back, you start to see matches more predicated on wrestling skills. The common denominator in years past is that they were still packaging it as a simulated athletic competition. In today's form, it's really packaged as more of a soap opera and less as two men showing what they can do, which came out in their promos, with the desire to be the king of the hill. The presentation has changed as well, seems to me as if the people who are promoting it aren't as excited at it either. It could stem from a lot of things like too many chiefs and not enough Indians backstage, more and more people that aren't from that world being involved, or that they're more interested in expanding their business than keeping their business in top form but they just don't seem to have that same enthusiasm anymore.

 

[AwesomeRko]

You reaize that Punk wasn't really a star until this year right? Yea, he had title reigns, but now people who aren't wrestling fans know who he is. So count that as one star made.

It's not the bookings fault. They've been given the chance. You don't get over with title reigns or wins, you get over by being interesting.

You guys ALWAYS talk about "years ago" but look at the age of the roster now. They're super young. A pro wrestler's peak is early-mid 30s because it's such a mental profession. That time period is when they're both physically fit and smart enough to really get over. If you don't believe me, look at the average age of when guys were given the strap. You'll have outliers like Rock, Lesnar, and Orton, but they are generally late 20s at the earliest. Austin was 33, HBK was 30, HHH was 30, Hart was 35 I believe.

Seriously, you guys need to chill out. Stop letting "ZOMG 2.75 IN TEH RATINGZ!!!' get to you and actually look at things objectively. They are RANKED in the top 3 virtually every week. That's insanely strong. They sell SOOOOOO many tickets each year. They do all of this YEAR ROUND. That's what's so incredible is that there is no offseason. I'm a huge sports fan, but I can't watch the NBA preseason-NBA finals, I get tired of it, can't do it with any sport except baseball. However, the WWE keeps the interest at a pretty high level year round.

1. Punk has only become a major star this year but since then he has pretty much become the embodiment of what he was so against in the first place, super-Punk, his match against Ziggler at the rumble pretty much encapsulates what I'm talking about.

2. Pro-wrestlers peaked in their mid-30's during the attitude era, nowadays guys are making it into the big leagues younger and should be granted the opportunities when they are ready not based on how old they are. Guys like Dolph Ziggler and Rhodes are ready right now but who out of the big three is going to put them over and give them that last surge of credibility to cement their place in the main event? That's right nobody whereas previously superstars like the Rock, Foley and Taker would regularly put over younger talent without damaging their mystique, helping to push new supertars to the main-event and keep things fresh.

3. Your comment on the ratings is pretty irrelevant here, yes they might still be good but the fact is that they are falling meaning that more fans are becoming dislillusioned with the quality of the product. Ratings now are probably at their lowest since around 1996 which hardly testifies to the great job that the WWE is doing in keeping people interested.

 

[H33LTurn]

I understand the desire of some to sugarcoat it but the fact is that wrestling is in fact irrelevant in current day American culture. I dont understand the denial here. Whenever this topic is brought up and someone mentions how they never see anyone talking about wrestling outside of this forum they get the same reply. "Ohh thats just YOUR life. Those are YOUR friends who dont respect wrestling. You cant judge based on YOUR life". Ok, as a completely regular American citizen I can tell you that I, as well as the people around me are constantly saturated with thoughts about mainstream media or entertainment. The fact that people talk about basketball, football, and movies more than the longest lasting weekly episodic television series is a testament to how WWE has diminished in the public eye. I'm not saying me or any of the individuals who understand my point have never heard any of our friends or anyone on the street mention wrestling, but compared to everything else that is constantly mentioned, WWE is at the bottom of the pop culture importance list as far as the US is concerned. I think that Chris Brown, a mainstream entertainer and lifelong wrestling fan hit the nail on the head when he mentioned not giving any more attention to Punk. Of course people will try to downplay by trying to create the delusion that Chris Brown stirred up the trouble, which he clearly didnt since Punk mentioned him and tagged him on his Twitter post. Or they will try to mention the beating Rhianna incident. All I have to say is if you hold a grudge against a celebrity you might want to try some counseling.

 

[Dysturbed]

I don't think that wrestling is irrelevant rather it just isn't as relevant as it once was, and with good reason. How many scripted, american primetime shows create as many new shows per year as WWE without an offseason or repeats? Shows that meet that criteria (yet have less original episodes per year) eventually decline in ratings or go off the air before they do by much yet WWE has kept on going. Of course ratings were never going to be sustained to the degree that they once were. Then there are the many other factors that people have mentioned. I do realize that there are other ways of measuring its decline than just ratings, some of which have been mentioned like house show attendence. In theory is things were good enough, then things including the inevitibility factor, numerous channel options, the fact that some fans aged, and so on would be less of a factor but realistically, things were predictably never going to be as relevant as they once were from various perspectives. The popular wrestling goes in cycles argument has known merit but so does the concept of many things eventually lowering in appeal on a more permanent basis. There are plenty of sports, businesses, and concepts, that don't lower in appeal, but that doesn't change the fact that many things do. So yes wrestling has lost some relevance but imo calling it irrelevant is an exaggeration and WWE's currently lesser relevance (compared to past standards) still clearly is good enough to keep the company going and going and remaining fairly stable. I can see why people may feel otherwise.

 

[GI Cake]

The WWE is still relevant in modern society but not at the same capacity as it used to back in the glory days. Whenever something sensational happens in Professional Wrestling like for instance the CM Punk shoot, it got some main-stream attention. Even on Impact Wrestling got a buzz from Sportscenter when Hulk Hogan and Sting were booked to wrestle a match at Bound for Glory. But Wrestling isn't as fresh and new to Main-Stream media as it used to be back when it was booming. So naturally the fire doesn't glow as bright as it used to.

The ratings are not a complete issue though. The average Raw ratings are scoring around number 4 out of 5 top shows on Monday Night. Which is pretty impressive considering the large amount of programs that an average T.V viewer have access to.

 

[The Talon]

Look, we can't keep denying this forever. Pro wrestling in general just isn't mainstream anymore. With Ultimate Fighting Championship & MMA in general, it's taken a lot of heat away from wrestling. Then take the fact that there's no Rock or Stone Cold or Hogan anymore, people just aren't interested. WWE just takes it easy now, because, there's no reason to not take it easy now due to more Monday Night Wars. Chris Brown has a point (even though I want to shove my foot up his ass), he has more relevancy a.k.a support than CM Punk could dream. It's a god-awful fact, but a fact nonetheless.

 

[Trill Co$by]

Look, we can't keep denying this forever. Pro wrestling in general just isn't mainstream anymore. With Ultimate Fighting Championship & MMA in general, it's taken a lot of heat away from wrestling. Then take the fact that there's no Rock or Stone Cold or Hogan anymore, people just aren't interested. WWE just takes it easy now, because, there's no reason to not take it easy now due to more Monday Night Wars. Chris Brown has a point (even though I want to shove my foot up his ass), he has more relevancy a.k.a support than CM Punk could dream. It's a god-awful fact, but a fact nonetheless.

You mean the same UFC that was headed out of business when WWE was just getting to its peak? Or maybe you mean the UFC that got its biggest boost in sales because of the WWE guy? Or do you mean the same UFC that's just recently got off of the "Men's channel"? Pro-Wrestling isn't dead, nor is it dying. It's just not changing with the times, and that's where the problem lays. WWE's still relying on television and movies to keep them relevant, when really there's a lot more to it than that. When WWE starts utilizing more outlets, and getting back in touch with society, it'll boom again.


And really, it's kinda ironic how Chris Brown keeps mentioning this whole "always have supporters" thing. Because if memory serves, it wasn't that long ago when Chris Brown was an afterthought to Justin Beiber. Oh wait, he still is.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

No, legit fight. I trust Punk would win. I think it would also help Brown sell more records. Then again, I don't know much about the people who listen to him. Maybe him beating a woman gives him more "cred" or whatever.

the grammys are a joke. Nobody who legitimately knows anything about music sees it as anything other than a "who had the best marketing team" competition.

Grammys are huge. The pomp flair with which each winner is announced does make people go 'Hmm they won a Grammy let me give'em a try' and then Dave Grohl is like 'Gotcha Bitch!'.



Also, I don't think losing to a white guy will do Brown any favor.


Oh you think it won't come down to that? Wait...