Round 1, ECW - Steiner Brothers vs. Orton/Lee
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Randy Orton, the new wave of shit heels. You might not be able to understand Scotty Steiner, but he's more compelling.
Orton is a ''great heel'' purely because the others are piss poor. The Steiners were genuinely the best team around in their era.
Brain Lee, shoulda billed him as Fake Undertaker. That would've got him a couple of extra votes.
Orton is a ''great heel'' purely because the others are piss poor. The Steiners were genuinely the best team around in their era.
Brain Lee, shoulda billed him as Fake Undertaker. That would've got him a couple of extra votes.
I wanted to find a reason to vote for "Primetime" Brian Lee, and figured that since it was ECW, it'd be easy. But, the Steiners also spent some time there, so they're not entirely out of their element. Also, it doesn't really matter where they wrestle, the Steiners are better.
Orton would hopefully get his ass handed to him on a silver platter, maybe even getting hit by a few Frankensteiners along the way. Brian Lee is actually the strength of this team in ECW, but he's still not enough to overcome the awesomeness of his opponents.
Orton would hopefully get his ass handed to him on a silver platter, maybe even getting hit by a few Frankensteiners along the way. Brian Lee is actually the strength of this team in ECW, but he's still not enough to overcome the awesomeness of his opponents.
Viola Moonlight
I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW
Well, considering that Brian Lee spent quite a bit in ECW & Orton having a few weapon matches under his belt against real "hardcore wrestlers" like Mick Foley... I am more inclined to vote for them despite Steiners knowing the boundaries of ECW. Orton may not excel, but he can utilise his past experiences here to keep up. Giving Brian Lee the majority of the time fighting will guarantee victory.
Steiner's are an easy choice for a pure wrestling match, but the weapons environment screams Brian Lee with Orton being the punching bag if need be. My vote is Lee/Orton
Steiner's are an easy choice for a pure wrestling match, but the weapons environment screams Brian Lee with Orton being the punching bag if need be. My vote is Lee/Orton
In ECW tag matches, there really are no tags. They're all fought "tornado-style". Everyone is fighting, and falls count anywhere. While I agree that your logic works under regular tag rules, it doesn't here. The Steiners are just too good here, and won't be beat by Orton and/or Lee.
Steiner Brothers are one of the top tag teams of all time, and there is no way I can not vote for them. Brian Lee loses out to Scott in the match, putting Scott against Randy. Now If I remember correctly, Scott was the bitch of the tag team (Then proceeded to hit the gym a little more (Yep, that is all he did (
))). But Randy Orton is in a whole new element. Just look at last night, he was in an extreme environment, got a little hardcore, but showed he had no finish, as John Cena made him a bitch.
))). But Randy Orton is in a whole new element. Just look at last night, he was in an extreme environment, got a little hardcore, but showed he had no finish, as John Cena made him a bitch.Randy Orton/Brian Lee is my favorite random pairing in this tournament, and I badly want to vote for them, but in my book, the Steiner Brothers is the greatest tag team in pro wrestling history, so of course I have to vote for the boys from Michigan. And I'm fully supporting them to win this entire thing, like I did last year and would have the year before that had I been here. They deserve it, because really.... there has never, ever been a more bad ass team in the history of pro wrestling. They put on 5 Star matches constantly, and made you truly believe there wasn't a tag team on this Earth that could fuck with them. That makes them the greatest, in my mind.
Really? Are we all going to vote the Steiner Brothers without even thinking twice? Please let me show you why Randy Orton and Prime Time would walk out with the win here. First off and foremost I understand why a large part will vote for the Steiners, they were a huge name that fought everywhere, have many title reigns, and worked a pretty technical ring style, which of course every internet fan loves. It all sounds good like gravy right? The Steiners should make short work of the Prime Time Vipers?
Well maybe in a traditional tag team match, but this is ECW, this is the place where there are no tags in and out, everything is legal, and where Brian Lee thrived.
I love how nobody is giving a chance to any team that has Randy Orton on it. The man is arguably the best heel in a long while, a 5 time world champion, former World tag team champion, former IC champion, a Royal Rumble winner, and the 17th Triple Crown Champion of WWE.
Randy Orton can work a Hardcore style match.
I'm sure this will be brought up by someone that Brian Lee is carrying the team in the aspect that he is a specialist at hardcore matches. While Brian Lee is probably more experienced in the no rules environment, Randy Orton is pretty damn consisent in in his gimmick matches. He holds notable wins over Triple H, John Cena, Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes,The Undertaker, and Mick Foley in gimmick matches. The man holds a win over one of the most notorious hardcore wrestlers ever in Mick Foley. That match alone shows that Orton definatly knows what he's doing in a match like this.
Ortons Tag Team Experience
This might be questioned as Orton has never really been seen as a tag team wrestler, always more of a singles star. Don't let that confuse you, Randy Orton is a fantastic tag team wrestler who can cooperate with anybody, for proof of that look no further then Survivor Series 2003 to 2005, where he worked with a number of partners and always came out successful, even the year that was streak was broken, he was the last guy eliminated off his team outlasting all of his partners,showing that Orton is a great tag team competitor. Not to mention he had a great tag team with Edge, that feuded with and won the feud against DX. He also has a huge tag team victory over the Rock N Sock connection, at Wrestlemania of all places .Doubting Ortons ability in a team would be foolish.
Prime Time Brian Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5avGE0U2sAw
This man was absolute beast in the ECW enviorment. I belive everybody has seen the footage of Tommy Dreamer getting choke slammed of the balcony through the stack if tables. I bet half the people thats seen it, probaly don't know who the hell was doing the chokeslam. Well, that was Brian Lee, the man was a ruthless as they come, an some of his matches with Dreamer and Terry Funk were some very violent encounters. Hell I believe this guy was so brutal and such a badass brawler that he would end up fighting with tommy dreamer out in the middle of fucking traffic sometimes. Along with Ortons superior in- ring work, and Ortons ruthlessness this team should be victorious over the Steiner brothers in the ECW environment.
The Steiners in a hardcore environment
I know, I know they were already in ECW, but they defintly didn't thrive there, as they failed to capture the tag team Championship Gold , and when it came to better workers inside the no rules matches, they lost. They lost to the Eliminators not once in ECW, but twice, The Eliminators were just better at working a no rules match. If the Steiner brothers ever faced Kronus and Saturn in a regular style match then I'm sure the Steiners would have came out on top. I think the same applies here, Sure the Steiners are the better team all round, but in a hardcore match, I belive Orton and Lee would just be too much to handle for a team composed of Amateur wrestlers.
Do the right thing, and Orton/Lee, the team that would clearly win, in this particular match up.
Vote Prime Time Vipers
Well maybe in a traditional tag team match, but this is ECW, this is the place where there are no tags in and out, everything is legal, and where Brian Lee thrived.
I love how nobody is giving a chance to any team that has Randy Orton on it. The man is arguably the best heel in a long while, a 5 time world champion, former World tag team champion, former IC champion, a Royal Rumble winner, and the 17th Triple Crown Champion of WWE.
Randy Orton can work a Hardcore style match.
I'm sure this will be brought up by someone that Brian Lee is carrying the team in the aspect that he is a specialist at hardcore matches. While Brian Lee is probably more experienced in the no rules environment, Randy Orton is pretty damn consisent in in his gimmick matches. He holds notable wins over Triple H, John Cena, Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes,The Undertaker, and Mick Foley in gimmick matches. The man holds a win over one of the most notorious hardcore wrestlers ever in Mick Foley. That match alone shows that Orton definatly knows what he's doing in a match like this.
Ortons Tag Team Experience
This might be questioned as Orton has never really been seen as a tag team wrestler, always more of a singles star. Don't let that confuse you, Randy Orton is a fantastic tag team wrestler who can cooperate with anybody, for proof of that look no further then Survivor Series 2003 to 2005, where he worked with a number of partners and always came out successful, even the year that was streak was broken, he was the last guy eliminated off his team outlasting all of his partners,showing that Orton is a great tag team competitor. Not to mention he had a great tag team with Edge, that feuded with and won the feud against DX. He also has a huge tag team victory over the Rock N Sock connection, at Wrestlemania of all places .Doubting Ortons ability in a team would be foolish.
Prime Time Brian Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5avGE0U2sAw
This man was absolute beast in the ECW enviorment. I belive everybody has seen the footage of Tommy Dreamer getting choke slammed of the balcony through the stack if tables. I bet half the people thats seen it, probaly don't know who the hell was doing the chokeslam. Well, that was Brian Lee, the man was a ruthless as they come, an some of his matches with Dreamer and Terry Funk were some very violent encounters. Hell I believe this guy was so brutal and such a badass brawler that he would end up fighting with tommy dreamer out in the middle of fucking traffic sometimes. Along with Ortons superior in- ring work, and Ortons ruthlessness this team should be victorious over the Steiner brothers in the ECW environment.
The Steiners in a hardcore environment
I know, I know they were already in ECW, but they defintly didn't thrive there, as they failed to capture the tag team Championship Gold , and when it came to better workers inside the no rules matches, they lost. They lost to the Eliminators not once in ECW, but twice, The Eliminators were just better at working a no rules match. If the Steiner brothers ever faced Kronus and Saturn in a regular style match then I'm sure the Steiners would have came out on top. I think the same applies here, Sure the Steiners are the better team all round, but in a hardcore match, I belive Orton and Lee would just be too much to handle for a team composed of Amateur wrestlers.
Do the right thing, and Orton/Lee, the team that would clearly win, in this particular match up.
Vote Prime Time Vipers
Steiner Brothers, in my opinion the greatest team to ever step foot in a wrestling ring. And while they may be at a slight disadvantage in a hardcore environment, I just can't see them losing. Orton will give them a run for their money and Lee will surprise some people, but Rick and Scott are just too good to go down in round 1.
Brian Lee "thrived" in ECW? When? Did I miss it? He was a lackey. He did Douglas's bidding, or Raven's bidding, or whoever else needed help from a big guy with some power. He never held a belt, and never had a major one-on-one feud, except for the fights with Dreamer.
Also, that time he threw Dreamer off the balcony...Did you see what happened about 3 weeks after that? At High Incident, Tommy Dreamer beat Lee in a Scaffold Match. He tossed him off the side, through what had to be 20+ tables stacked in the ring. Outside of that, he was fun to watch, but he wasn't a major success.
To use that Rick and Scott never won gold in ECW as an argument is also a little weak. They were only there 3 months, and lost one match, and it was their teammate, Scorpio, that got pinned.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I don't think Randy Orton's credentials mean anything when it comes to this match. His only real tag experience was beating a old Mick Foley, a Rock who hadn't wrestled in over a year, and a past their primes Ric Flair and Piper. Sounds like real experience to me and surpasses everything the Steiners did.
This isn't a Survivor Series type match so stating Orton's SS record is irrevelant. And don't forget he and Edge got their asses handed to them by DX.
The Steiners have the strength and agility to match up with Orton and Lee and when it's all said and done, I see Orton submitting to the Steiner Recliner and Rick and Scott advance.
Hyorinmaru
Sit Upon The Frozen Heavens
Steiners= 1 of the top 5 Tag teams of all time. They spent time in ECW so you can't give Lee the advantage there.
Seeing how I like Lee & Orton like others I wish I could vote for them but not against The Steiners. Against anyone else I may have been able to come up with an argument but i can't here.
Scotty and Rick win this one
Seeing how I like Lee & Orton like others I wish I could vote for them but not against The Steiners. Against anyone else I may have been able to come up with an argument but i can't here.
Scotty and Rick win this one
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Yeah this is the Steiners. I love how people say that because Orton can wrestle like he's in ECW, it makes him better than people who actually wrestled in ECW. Also remember, this isn't Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner that couldn't wrestle a good match if his life depended on it. This is Scotty Steiner, the man that was considered to be the prototype for the 90s wrestler. He was big, strong, fast and agile. Couple that with an All American wrestling background and there is simply no way that he's going to be trumped by Lee or Orton. Also, Rick is FAR better than he's given credit for because of all the awful matches he had at the end of his career. Both Steiners have the ability to beat just about anyone, and with experience in ECW and the fact that they're the freaking STEINER BROTHERS, this is one sided to me.
Steiners take this easily, and it's not even a debate. The Steiners in their prime were just out of this world, and could outwrestle literally any tag team on the face of the planet. Scott alone in his prime would be enough to take out Orton & Lee, but you add the strength of Rick, and we've got a cake walk here for the Steiners.
Randy Orton's "great weapons credentials" were exposed pretty well last night when he quit literally as soon as Cena put the chain from the handcuffs on him. Brian Lee had about as decorated a career as me, and the Steiners are probably the best sibling team ever, if not even the best team ever. It doesn't matter that Lee had been in ECW, so had the Steiners, and what is more, the Steiners are one of the only teams to have excelled in all the major companies of their era. Orton has no tag credentials, and a losing record in gimmick matches, this is the Steiners by a country mile.
I went with the Steiners. Simple choice really. We have argueably the best Tag Team ever, vs a shit tag team wrestler, and an ECW lackey? Yeah...Just picture the carnage after Rick hits the bulldog from the top rope onto 14 tables pilled one after another, then set on fire. Now who wins? Thats right. Vote for the Steiners, or die from the SteinerRecliner.
It's...Baylariat!
Team Finnley Baylor
How in the world can anyone NOT vote for the Steiner Brothers here? The Steiners are hands down one of the greatest tag teams that's ever stepped foot in a wrestling ring. And you put them against two random wrestlers. One's a main eventer, the other merely headlined Smokey Mountain Wrestling for a couple of minutes. This isn't even close. This should be a clinic for the Steiner Bros. Even in a hardcore environment.
hArdyPUNKmArk
I'm better than you!
Easy, the Steiners win here. One of the most memorable tag teams against a thrown together team of Orton and Lee, such an easy decision really. The Steiners are just too good in their prime and will win pretty easy here.
Steiners FTW.
Steiners FTW.
King Patrick Star
K. O. T. R. 2007 - Team Undisputed
Im going to have to go with the established team here. Its always an advantage to already know your partner and everything about them in the ring. Its even more of an advantage to have experience with that partner and winning Championships would prove that theory. Oh and they are Brothers. That helps too.
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