Round 1, ECW - Legacy vs. A-Train/Awesome Kong

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Who's better?

  1. Legacy

  2. A-Train/Awesome Kong

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  1. C.M.

    C.M. WrestleMania Main Event

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    Round 1, ECW:
    Legacy
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    A-Train/Awesome Kong


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    All ECW matches are conducted under Extreme Rules
     
  2. gd

    gd Plump, Juicy User

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    Awesome Train, because Legacy are *****es. I don't know how either Rhodes or Dibiase would do any damage at all to Kong, I just don't see it happening. She would throw them around the ring like a couple of soft pillows, which they are. Kong is women oppsosed with winning and inflicting pain on her opponents. She would get along with A Train, who is big himself and smart enough to get along with the monster, just so she can pick up the victory.

    As for Legacy, what have they done? They are some of the most generic wrestlers in years, they are only relevant becuase their fathers were. Sure they beat DX in what was the craziest match stipulations ever that had people running every which way. Kong wouldn't chase, she'd wait for her prey.

    There is no real reason to vote for Legacy here, they were probably too concerned trying to help Orton win his match anyway.
     
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  3. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    A-Train is underrated as well. Kong is bigger and stronger than either member of Legacy, so I don't see the wildcard team losing here. It's also in ECW, where weapons are legal. Kong has a flat out mean streak that could do a lot of major damage to their pretty boy faces. Without Orton out there, the power here moves Awesome Train on. In three years this could be different, but at the moment it's Kong and Train.
     
  4. Mr. TM

    Mr. TM Throwing a tantrum

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    Shit. Hardest match to vote on here. I loved Albert back in WWE, and when he went to Japan, he was an excellent tag wrestler. That means he was apart of two of the meanest tag teams ever. And actually, Test and Tonko might not be as mean as Kong is.

    But Legacy just beat two main event talent who never lose on Sunday. In a match, I can see quite similar to this. The team has been build up well, and I think are at their height right now. So maybe they take One of the beats out in the back, locking them in a room with a forklift, and isolate the other beating them senseless like they did with Shawn. I'll vote for Legacy here, just because I think they have the gift to go on.
     
  5. Theo Mays

    Theo Mays Part Time Poster

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    Man this is tough. Legacy is starting to find its way in the WWE and working on becoming legit instead of Orton's lackeys. Kong and A-Train are just 2 big nasty monsters. With the weapons playing a role, I gotta go with Legacy. They will find a way to contain these two beasts and somehow get the victory.
     
  6. It's...Baylariat!

    It's...Baylariat! Team Finnley Baylor

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    Well, Legacy are puss bags. A-Train and Awesome Kong are big. It's a matter of strength versus ring intelligence and to be honest, I think Legacy has this one. Rhodes and Dibiase get beat up. A lot. But they DO find a way to win when they have to. I wouldn't be shocked to see the wild card win, but I think Legacy could pull this out and sneak a rollup on ol' Baldo for the victory.
     
  7. NSL

    NSL Life's A Bitch, And Then You Mosh

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    I was tempted to vote for A-Kong, but decided to stick with my gut, and vote Legacy. Why, you ask? Well, because they just beat HHH and HBK in a match similar to this, and I'm pretty sure we can all agree those two are better then their opponents here. With all their experience as lackeys, they've also grown to be pretty resourceful, so it should help them eke out a win here...
     
  8. X

    X RIP Sgt. Michael Paranzino / RIP CM

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    I find Legacy to be extremely boring. Like, mind-numbingly boring. That and they really haven't impressed me in any way since either of their debuts. That said, they easily take this. Why? Because A-Train/Albert is one of the worst fucking wrestlers that I've ever been subjected to watching. The fact that this man ever had the Intercontinental title around his waste is a god damn travesty, and an insult to that title. Awesome Kong...she's good. But not good enough to make up for how fucking terrible A-Train is.

    Legacy easily get the win here. If they can beat DX clean, they should have no problem with this joke of a team that is A-Train and Awesome Kong.
     
  9. Viola Moonlight

    Viola Moonlight I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW

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    I saved the best match-up that I have not posted in for last! This is where my team & expect full support. Legacy easily gets the win... just like Marty Jannetty has had the better career of the two members from the Rocker's tag team.

    In all seriousness, this is an extreme rules match where all the competitor's aren't extremely well versed in. If anything, the only person who knows anything about hardcore would be Albert back in the days of the Hardcore championship matches, which mean shit when compared with the Dub. So, both teams have an equal playing field.

    Legacy have been together as a tag team where only recently they have come to great fruitation. They know how to work tag team matches & they know everything that goes into the process. Yes they lack experience but their knowledge is enough to counteract any inferiority here. The Awesome Train has both members being in tag teams before & knowing how to work in a tag team match. Legacy gets some advantage here.

    However, the sheer size of Kong & A-Train will prove to be too much for them to handle in the arena of no rules. Giving the Train the power to utilise weapons & completely manhandle any team will mean great destruction. Kong can hang with the blokes & is proven through the indy's to handle many match variations. Train can endure a sufficient amount of damage as well.

    Despite the fact that Legacy cleanly defeated DX in a weapons allowed match, they got the victory over a man who is much smaller than both of them, maybe the same as Cody Rhodes. They did this after knocking both out for a matter of minutes & segregating them. This will prove a much harder task for the likes of Kong & Train who need a lot to get them down.

    The Awesome Train has to win here, it makes sense for them to go on into the next round. Size, strength & speed.
     
  10. blood and thunder

    blood and thunder Occasional Pre-Show

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    a train sucked so badly, and awesome kong is good for a woman's wrestler but that doesn't make her suddenly capable of hanging with the boys. legacy aren't particuarly exciting but have held the tag titles a few times, and have a win over DX - could a train and awesome kong beat HHH and HBK? somehow i doubt it. also if the chips are down orton can come and interfere, which sure enough trumps having raesha sayid or test in your corner.
     
  11. Tastycles

    Tastycles Turn Bayley heel

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    Legacy are shit, and you most definitely won't ee me standing up for them very often, but I think they have to win here. Legacy have beaten DX and Cena and Batista, and A-Train lost a handicap match to the Undertaker when his partner was somewhat bigger and better than Awesome Kong. If this were T & A, Albert woud have a chance, but no, I don't see it. We've seen how Legacy do in a weapons allowed environment on Sunday, so I expect them to win here.
     
  12. Baller

    Baller WZCW Veteran

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    I went Legacy here, and if they didnt pull the victory over DX on Sunday I probably would've went the over way. As Tastycles mentioned A-Train did lose a handicap match with a better partner then Awesome Kong. I know the Undertaker is better then Legacy but its still 2 on 1 and Legacy just went over 2 guys that are at an equal level to the Undertaker. Also they showed they can go very extreme in matches and are good with chairs, as well as other weapons
     
  13. Барбоса

    Барбоса doesn't know REAL wrestling...

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    Seeing as how this match takes place under Extreme Rules, I think that the team who defeated DX in a Submissions Count Anywhere Match should advance. Surely making the Showstopper tap-out is more difficult that defeating a thrown together team of someone in desperate need of a back shave and A-Train
     
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  14. Viola Moonlight

    Viola Moonlight I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW

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    Everytime I check in to see how my team is doing, it is always a head-to-head race. For both teams, it is great to see a lot of support.

    However, I am a little stumped by the issue of saying "If Legacy can defeat Triple H & Shawn Michaels in a match where Extreme Rules among other stipulations are implemented, they can surely defeat The Awesome Train." Doesn't anyone give any analysis to what happened during the match anymore? I believe these two young guns went against a team where someone of a light heavyweight & another of a heavyweight classification. So, the match ups & stylings are very similar for both teams which either can come out on top. Legacy's winning formula was to divide & conquer DX. They took out Shawn Michaels, then both members severely punished HHH as he may be too much to handle for one Legacy member due to the lack of strength. Triple H did very well in fending off the assiliants as well, but had nothing but fists to use. Once Triple H was done, they ganged up on the lesser man Michaels for the easy submission. It should also be noted that DX's winning formula was to become one & stick together, which proved successful until being divided.

    Now, switch DX for The Awesome Train. A-Train is of similar classification of Triple H & Awesome Kong is a much higher weight class than both HHH & HBK. So, the winning formula in a similar match environment would simply not work as neither DiBiase or Rhodes is good enough to take down Kong. She is a fantastic wrestler for a very large woman & has been proven to hang with the men quite easily back in the indy circuits. Only a couple of instances, but she did fair well. For the sizes & the skills both Legacy members have, they don't have enough to take her down via the divide & conques strategy. When both members stick together for an attack against an equal team, Legacy simply cannot get the job down. Seeing as how A-Train did learn & hone his tag team wrestling skills in both America & Japan, he would be smart enough to show Kong the way & lead the psychological aspects of tag team wrestling. I see it as a difficult situation to take down A-Train long enough to attempt a two on one attack to take Kong down & visa versa. A-Train also is the only member of the whole four competitors to have sufficent hardcore wrestling so he will be able to have an idea what Legacy has in store if all else fails.

    Extreme Rules do not do justice to Legacy at all. If this match were held in Mexico having a two out of three falls stipulation added, Legacy would be able to go the distance due to their ability to slow down the matches & excessive stamina compared to the Big Man tag team of Awesome Train. It does not make sense that Legacy has a chance here as their only successful strategy thus far in taking people out or winning matches is to divide & conquer. Against two big people in an extreme rules match, that ain't going to happen at all.

    Vote "The Awesome Train" here, its the logical & right thing to do.
     
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  15. SavageTaker

    SavageTaker Everybody Has A Price!

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    Pretty close match this one is, but I voted for the team of Awesome Kong and A-Train.

    Awesome Kong alone is a freaking beast and then you have A-Train, who isn't really that bad, as her tag team parner. They have the power and size advantage in this match, what Legacy has is a slight speed advantage. I see them being too big and too powerful for Legacy to overpower and put them down for a pin or submission.

    As far as the argument of Legacy beating DX, please stop with that argument people. It's like your grasping at straws. Oh wait, it's not like you're grasping at straws, you actually are.

    I was under the assumption that we are supposed to argue for the wrestlers in their prime. Shawn and Hunter, or at least Shawn, we not in their prime when Legacy defeated them. If they were in their prime, then it would be a completely different story but it isn't.
     
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  16. Mantaur Rodeo Clown

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    Legacy are absolute rubbish. In the couple of years theyr've been in existance, they've done nothing but lose the tag titles. And they one those first ones in a handicap match. Anyone who uses the one match against D-X as evidence is obviously ignoring that loss at Summerslam. And all the squashes for most of their existence.

    Awesome Kong is one of the most dominating womens wrestler we've seen in a long long time. Say what you want about A-Train/Albert/Giant Bernard but he can certainly go. He has credentials to back him up. I just don't want to see CAW Cody and DiBiasse win this one. Please guys?
     
  17. jmt225

    jmt225 Global Moderator

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    I went with A-Train and Awesome Kong.

    I like Ted DiBiase, Jr. and I do think he has a very bright future, but it's hard to take him seriously. While he's very talented, I look at him and think I could probably beat his ass up. He's not intimidating in the least bit, and the same goes for his partner, Cody Rhodes. And not only is Cody Rhodes not intimidating at all, but he sucks ass as well. In the ring and on the mic, Cody Rhodes is fucking horrible.

    A-Train, on the other hand, is talented as hell and looks like someone who you would never want to run into in a back alley. Same goes for Awesome Kong. They're two scary motherfuckers, and they're both also very, very talented. Easy choice here.
     
  18. hArdyPUNKmArk

    hArdyPUNKmArk I'm better than you!

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    Wow, it's a close one here. I had to go with Legacy. I can see why people would vote for Kong and Atrain but Legacy have just beaten DX, one of the most over tag teams ever. And they beat them cleanly in a submissions count anywhere match where weapons are aloud, as they are in this match. I just can't see Legacy going down in a match like this. 3 months ago I probably would have voted against Legacy but they've impressed me lately and because of that I see them winning this one.
     
  19. gd

    gd Plump, Juicy User

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    Quick question for everyone here who voted for Legacy. What reasons do you have other than "they beat teh DX and made them tapz outz!" None that I can see. You are basing this entire matchup on one match. The matchup was a submission/fall count anywhere match. This is a hardcore match, completely different.

    Also, Awesome Train is a bigger and more powerful team than this older version of DX, I can't see Legacy throwing Kong around like they did HBK. Really no reason at all to vote Legacy here, do the right thing and vote for the team with Kong on it.
     
  20. Big Sexy

    Big Sexy Deadly Rap Cannibal

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    Hey GD. You know who else Legacy has beaten? John Cena and Batista. Last time I checked you were pushing them to win this tournament. The fact remains that Legacy is an actual tag team, with actual chemistry. Kong and A Train are just two random people thrown together. I don't think they would co-exist well enough to win this match.

    Another factor coming into play is A-Train's lack of success in any tag team. Over the course of his WWE career he was part of teams with Droz, Test, X Pac and Justin Credible, and Scotty 2 Hotty. He failed to win the tag team titles with every team he was part of.
     
  21. gd

    gd Plump, Juicy User

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    Hi.

    Hardcore Holly. Mark Swoggle. The Colons. Cryme Tyme. What a list there.

    That to. But, it was because Cena and Batista had a match coming up together in less than a week. They lost the match, Legacy didn't win. Completely different here.

    I'm a Cena hater now, can't you tell? They're out anyway.

    So are Deuce and Domino, your point?

    Isn't there some power struggle in Legacy right now, or somethin? Chemistry is overrated anyway, how hard is it to tag your partner?

    Yep, two big, powerful people at that.

    I think they would. Kong is obsessed with winning and being dominant, she wouldn't worry about hurting her partner when she can do that to her opponents. A-Train would be smart enough to stay out of her way until needed.

    He did win an IWGP tag team championship.

    I don't see how this matters considering Kong is a million times better than any of those guys. A-Train didn't win because his partners were shit.
     
  22. Big Sexy

    Big Sexy Deadly Rap Cannibal

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    At least they have a list. Kong and Train are just thrown together with no experience.

    Oh I didn't realize that when one team lost that didn't mean the other team won. Me and my stupid assumptions :rolleyes:.
    They've worked together and know each others strengths and weaknesses.

    Not really. At least not with Rhodes and Dibiase.

    Big, powerful, slow, and shitty. Hey, I think I just came up with their new team name.

    Awesome Kong is being so overrated it is hilarious. This isn't the woman's division. If Gail Kim and Taylor Wilde can beat Awesome Kong then I'm sure Legacy would have no problem.

    That doesn't mean shit to me. I'm glad he and another big shitty WWE failure in Tomko can win tag titles in Japan. Anyone with size and a decent look can win titles in Japan.

    Once again Kong is being vastly overrated by everyone. I'd take Test as a partner over Kong any day.
     
  23. gd

    gd Plump, Juicy User

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    The whole point of Duece's Wild in this tourney is speculation, you are refusing to speculate.

    Well now you know.

    What strengths?

    They must be jealous of each others tans.

    Are you just saying that because her skin is dark? Racist.

    The current won suits them fine.

    278 1/3 pound phyco monster woman is being overrated?

    May as well be, Rhodes and Dibiase act like women.

    She's beaten them much more often than she's lost.

    Shitting on Japanese wrestling now, are we? A lot of people won't be happy with you for that.

    LMAO, Test? He was quite shit indeed. Kong is a beast, she has beaten male wrestlers in stretcher matches, I'm sure should could win a simple tag match against Legacy with a guy like A Train as her partner.

    Also, there's this. You didn't respond to this so I'll assume along with everyone else that you can't argue that because it's true.

     
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  24. FromTheSouth

    FromTheSouth You don't want it with me.

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    Enough of this. Kong and Albert are funny to vote for, but in no way could they seriously be considered to beat Legacy.

    Everyone keeps saying Legacy is boring. First of all, I would call them deadly efficient, not boring, and secondly, this is a kayfabe tournament. Albert always lost to smaller men. He has shown in the ring, time and time again, that quickness is his achilles heel. The same goes for Kong. Smaller, quicker wrestlers have always been the bane of her existence. Taylor Wilde and Gail Kim ran circles around her, countered her slow power moves, and got multiple wins.

    Legacy is much quicker than this team. Being that quickness felled both members of Awesome Train in their singles careers, I would assume that it would do so as well in a tag match. Legacy, in a walk.
     
  25. gd

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    I wasn't trying to be funny. If people wanted just to mess around, they'd of voted for Carlito.

    Cause they are.

    Making up terms now, are we?

    All the more reason to vote for the team with Kong on it, the most dominant kayfabe wrestler in the world.

    He's A-Train in this match, not Albert.

    I thought it was his pierced nipple.

    Umm, no.

    Until she crushes them.

    They both beat Kong like once or twice each. Kong has beaten them more than that, and is much more impressive fashion.

    Legacy isn't really that quick. They are actually very slow and methodical in the ring, like Orton.

    Tag team match.

    When you assume, you make an ASS out of U and ME.

    To the emergency room.
     
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