Ric Flair Is The Most Overrated Piece Of Shit Wrestler Ever

[reddevil69]

Flair's legacy has been re-packaged and re-manufactured for the past 6 years due to the fact that upon returning to WWE, he became close friends with HHH who idolized him as a young man and that is who inspired him and HBK to become wrestlers. Hunter and Shawn and the WWE have pandered to his legacy over and over again.

Back in the 80's Flair was great and considered just that by many of the magazines and wrestling pundits, but so was Randy Savage. Flair was never any better than the best guys in the business at that time.

I will agree with the posters who say that he was a hard worker, no doubt about it. He was passionate about the business, no question but everyone needs to consider this:

In 1991 Flair came to WWF and was released just over a year later. WHY? If he was so important to the business and drew money Vince would have never let him go in the first place. Hogan had left, Savage went down for over a year with a severe knee injury that required surgery, Warrior was fired again....why would you let Flair go at that point when your top 3 guys were all gone? He let him go because he did not need him..period. Flair was not drawing the kind of money nor garnering the attention that was becoming of a guy who was touted as the 'real world champion'.

I don't want get into a Bret Hart debate here, but Flair has accused Hart of being a weak champion, yet he was the one asked to drop the strap to Bret and history and numbers have shown us that Bret Hart drew far better as a champ than Flair did in 1992,1993 and 1994...when Flair went back to WCW,the WWE was still out-drawing them in house shows and ppv's...all the while Bret and Taker were the top guys in WWE....while I agree with HBK-Aholic, we as fans should not care about who drew what, if you are entertained by someone than why should you care what they draw, I think that the claim Flair made against Hart is ridiculous when you consider the facts, Hart has sold more merchandise and his DVD has outsold Flairs, so for Flair to say he's not a draw means Flair was less of a draw.

When it came time to step up to the major league WWF in 1991 and perform on an international platform, Flair did not produce the desired results the promotion was looking for. I'm sure this is where his sour grapes towards Hart stems from...again you have to put this in perspective, human nature is human nature: Flair most likely thought that with Hogan,Savage and Warrior out of the way, he would be firmly entrenched as the top man in WWF and was blindsided by McMahon's decision to put the world title on Bret Hart.

Of course one would think that if Flair was so passionate about the business and had any inclination of what wrestlers were making a large impact on the fans in 1992, that he would have seen Bret coming.

He was a hard worker but he was limited in the ring. I've watched his dvd and all the matches are generally the same, with all the same spots in all the same places.(again he accuses Hart of being a routine wrestler)I've heard it said that Flair /Steamboat was the best match of the 80's, i disagree. Savage /Steamboat was a far more entertaining match in my opinion.I don't care if Ricky and Ric went an hour, it was full of boring rest-spots and the match dragged. Savage /Steamboat at WM3 is still talked about to this day as stealing the show at that event.

Flair was great but he never adapted with the times and changed his style of ring work like Undertaker has which is why he's having the best matches of his career at 43 years old.Taker is far better than Flair was at 43 in the ring. I think that he was one of the best during his era but not of all time. Hell Curt Hennig had it all: good looks, better body than Flair, more athletic than Flair,could cut a great promo, had charisma and could draw great heat as a heel, yet no one speaks about him in the same light as Flair. He was having great matches in AWA for years before coming to WWF and if he did not suffer the recurring back injury that put him out of wrestling for over a year, I think he would have been Vince's world champ at some point.

Again i think flair was a great wrestler, but not the best of all time, not even close and for that i'd say he is overrated and he has benefited from the fact that he is the only guy from his era that has been able to perform as an active wrestler under the WWE hype and marketing machine for the last 6 years or so. Just because HHH and the WWE say he's the greatest does not make it so. That is like saying that the Rolling Stones are 'the world's greatest rock n' roll band" as their slogan says. Just because they are the oldest and been around longer does not make them the greatest.

I think Flair should have retired 15 years ago and maybe he'd be remembered as one of the greatest instead of someone who wore out his welcome and embarrassed himself by having to be carried by younger wrestlers for the past decade.

Having said that, i think calling him a piece of shit is completely uncalled for and just not true.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Flair's legacy has been re-packaged and re-manufactured for the past 6 years due to the fact that upon returning to WWE, he became close friends with HHH who idolized him as a young man and that is who inspired him and HBK to become wrestlers. Hunter and Shawn and the WWE have pandered to his legacy over and over again.

Back in the 80's Flair was great and considered just that by many of the magazines and wrestling pundits, but so was Randy Savage. Flair was never any better than the best guys in the business at that time.

I will agree with the posters who say that he was a hard worker, no doubt about it. He was passionate about the business, no question but everyone needs to consider this:

In 1991 Flair came to WWF and was released just over a year later. WHY? If he was so important to the business and drew money Vince would have never let him go in the first place. Hogan had left, Savage went down for over a year with a severe knee injury that required surgery, Warrior was fired again....why would you let Flair go at that point when your top 3 guys were all gone? He let him go because he did not need him..period. Flair was not drawing the kind of money nor garnering the attention that was becoming of a guy who was touted as the 'real world champion'.

I don't want get into a Bret Hart debate here, but Flair has accused Hart of being a weak champion, yet he was the one asked to drop the strap to Bret and history and numbers have shown us that Bret Hart drew far better as a champ than Flair did in 1992,1993 and 1994...when Flair went back to WCW,the WWE was still out-drawing them in house shows and ppv's...all the while Bret and Taker were the top guys in WWE....while I agree with HBK-Aholic, we as fans should not care about who drew what, if you are entertained by someone than why should you care what they draw, I think that the claim Flair made against Hart is ridiculous when you consider the facts, Hart has sold more merchandise and his DVD has outsold Flairs, so for Flair to say he's not a draw means Flair was less of a draw.

He was a hard worker but he was limited in the ring. I've watched his dvd and all the matches are generally the same, with all the same spots in all the same places.(again he accuses Hart of being a routine wrestler)I've heard it said that Flair /Steamboat was the best match of the 80's, i disagree. Savage /Steamboat was a far more entertaining match in my opinion.I don't care if Ricky and Ric went an hour, it was full of boring rest-spots and the match dragged. Savage /Steamboat at WM3 is still talked about to this day as stealing the show at that event.

Flair was great but he never adapted with the times and changed his style of ring work like Undertaker has which is why he's having the best matches of his career at 43 years old.Taker is far better than Flair was at 43 in the ring. I think that he was one of the best during his era but not of all time. Hell Curt Hennig had it all: good looks, better body than Flair, more athletic than Flair,could cut a great promo, had charisma and could draw great heat as a heel, yet no one speaks about him in the same light as Flair. He was having great matches in AWA for years before coming to WWF and if he did not suffer the recurring back injury that out him put out of wrestling for over a year, I think he would have been Vince's world champ at some point.

Again i think flair was a great wrestler, but not the best of all time, not even close and for that i'd say he is overrated and he has benefitted from the fact that he is the only guy from his era that has been able to perform as an active wrestler under the WWE hype and marketing machine for the last 6 years or so. Just because HHH and the WWE say he's the greatest does not make it so. That is like saying that the Rolling Stones are 'the world's greatest rock n' roll band" as their slogan says. Just because they are the oldest and been around longer does not make them the greatest.

I think Flair should have retired 15 years ago and maybe he'd be remembered as one of the greatest instead of someone who wore out his welcome and embarrassed himself by having to be carried by younger wrestlers for the past decade.

Having said that, i think calling him a piece of shit is completely uncalled for and just not true.

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[Skillz]

Flair's matches with Steamboat are so unbelievably overrated. People say the Hart/HBK ironman match was boring (not true), but every move they did had a purpose, every spot flowed nicely and logically to the next spot. Watch any of the Flair/Steamboat marathon matches, actually watch any of Flair's "great" matches, and you'll see that there's no real flow, it's more or less just a random succession of moves being performed that doesn't really lead to anything. Most of his "classic" matches were complete borefests that dragged on and on. Bret Hart said it best when he said that Ric Flair was 30 minutes of non-stop non-psychology.

 

[MisterRob]

I'm just curious. Where is all this proof that Ric Flair wasn't a draw?

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Hogan vs Flair thread. Old school section. read it. specifically posts by Slyfox969

 

[jmt225]

Was Flair a good wrestler? Yes. Was he entertaining as hell to watch? Yes. Is he the greatest of all time? Absolutely not. The only reason he's overrated is because too many clowns says he's the greatest ever. He's like the Bret Favre of pro wrestling, and his fans are just like Packers fans. Sure, Bret Favre was awesome, but so many people exaggerate his awesomeness and absolutely deny his faults. It’s so damn annoying.

 

[Shocky]

Such harsh words and disrespect for Ric Flair, I am surprised some of you guys are actual wrestling fans. I admit, WWE has really hyped Flair up to be greater than he was, but he was great nonetheless. He had some of the best catch phrases in the wrestling business, performed some of the best promos in the business, had many great matches, and created the launching pad for some of the best stables in wrestling history, without the Four Horsemen, there would have been no nWo, DX, or Hart Foundation. Ric loved the business and the fans, it is purely obvious, I doubt he was crying during his retirement speech, match, and farewell address because he wasn't going to get a big fat paycheck from Vince anymore.

I'm sorry, but that one line there is probably the most over used, crap line I have heard from the business the last few years. The WWE has pushed so hard to sell that line of crap to people that everyone is starting to believe it. The Horseman were big, yes, but to insinuate they were the only reason much better stables later on succeeded is just crap. Hell, the Heenan Family was a better stable then the horsemen.

 

[ch46745]

How can anybody really know exacly how much Flair was drawing in NWA/WCW besides the executives of the company at that time?

 

[Y 2 Jake]

And what about that Mania 24 match, crap huh?

 

[reddevil69]

Was Flair a good wrestler? Yes. Was he entertaining as hell to watch? Yes. Is he the greatest of all time? Absolutely not. The only reason he's overrated is because too many clowns says he's the greatest ever. He's like the Bret Favre of pro wrestling, and his fans are just like Packers fans. Sure, Bret Favre was awesome, but so many people exaggerate his awesomeness and absolutely deny his faults. It’s so damn annoying.

I agree. The Favre analogy is a good one...the guy was playing like absolute garbage 2 years ago and it was a trend that had been going for a few seasons...i'll give him credit he came back last year and had a great season and he should be proud, but the NFL jumped all over it because they are in need of big marquee heroes at quarterback...you can only ram Manning and Brady down everyone's throat for so long. Now you have a bunch of bandwagon Packers fans saying he was the greatest and they are so sad he's gone.

This is the same as Flair's situation. He's been shoved down our throats as this living legend for the past 7 years by WWE and people eat it up whole. I defy anyone to sit down over the course of a few days and watch the Flair DVD,the Bret Hart dvd, the HBK dvd, The Tombstone dvd, the Mysterio dvd
and both the World class and AWA dvds and tell me that Flair was better than
those guys and Nick Bockwinkel, Curt Hennig, David and Kevin Von Erich, Michael Hayes, Terry Funk, and even though he does not have a dvd you better damn well include Randy Savage in that group, he was way ahead of his time...a high flyer with all the charisma of Flair and a better physique who could tear down the house night after night with Lawler, DiBiase, Santana, Steamboat and Jake Roberts...many of those matches lasting 30-45 mins.

and this crap that i've heard Flair extoll about having to wrestle an hour to 'truly be great' is absolute horseshit....HBK and HHH proved that in their 47 min cage match 4 years ago and it sucked balls...does anyone even remember it?...Savage/Steamboat at Mania 3 was 15 minutes and was one of the best matches ever...it's about quality, not quantity...it's about what we as fans take home with us after the matches are done, not the length of the match.

another Flair quote i love is the one where he was asked about bashing Bret Hart in his book....Flair's response: " I have spent more money on spilled liquor than Bret ever spent on ring attire" WOW!! and that makes you a better wrestler how? Being a drunken ass that waves his dinky at female flight attendants on plane rides makes you a great wrestler? But you'll never hear HHH or HBK mention that when they praise him as the be all end all of this business.

Flair has his place and he did influence many guys to become wrestlers but i'm pretty sure Savage did as well...you just don't hear about it because he's out of the spotlight...and for that matter, we'll see what the next generation of guys that come have to say about Bret being an influence...don't tell me that dudes who were watching wrestling in their teens during Bret's peak from 1991-1997 were not inspired by him to put on tights, as well as Taker and HBK....it sure as hell wasn't Flair inspiring people at that point in WCW unless you live in the Carolinas.

 

[ROHDude]

Without a doubt there isn't anyone who is more overrated than Ric Flair. His wrestling is overrated. His matches are overrated. His impact to the business is overrated. His charisma is overrated. Almost everything about him is overrated.

I remember buying the Flair DVD with huge anticipation of seeing this "great wrestler" in some of his best matches, and by the time I finished watching it I was hugely disappointed, and from then on I knew he was as overrated as they come. Every one of his so called "great" matches are basically the same match with different opponents. His matches always lacked flow, psychology, realism and storytelling. He's also one of the most crappiest and unrealistic sellers of all time, not to mention his ridiculous comedy spots that he loves to fit in to all of his matches.

Just because Triple H and Shawn Michaels say he's the greatest, doesn't mean he actually is the greatest. I hate that the WWE has over-glorified his career. They have given millions of fans a bullshit illusion that Flair is the best ever, when in reality he's far from being the best ever.

I couldn't agree more. I always thought Flair was overrated, so I went and bought the DVD the day it came out because I wanted to see all these classics, and you are exactly right. Same sh*t, different opponent. Pretty boring stuff.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

The fact that 20 people voted Flair to be the most overrated of all time proves that he isn't that overrated at all, since only 7 more people said the opposite.

 

[ROHDude]

The fact that 20 people voted Flair to be the most overrated of all time proves that he isn't that overrated at all, since only 7 more people said the opposite.

Actually I think that proves he is that overrated. Only 7 more people said he isn't. 7! That's not a big difference. Now out of the 47 votes if only 10 people said he is overrated and 37 said he isn't then you're arguement would be right, but 20 to 27 I think proves he is overrated.

 

[HBK-aholic]

It's the new fashion to hate on Ric Flair.

 

[ROHDude]

It's the new fashion to love Ric Flair.

Corrected.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Ric Flair has been loved by fans for decades. Albeit he wasn't his best when he retired, BUT he is still great. However a couple of people decide he was overrated, and then before you know it, it's 'uncool' to like him.

 

[Skillz]

The fact that 20 people voted Flair to be the most overrated of all time proves that he isn't that overrated at all, since only 7 more people said the opposite.

LOL. Your "proof" is from an online poll with a massive 47 people, where 27 out of 47 disagree that Flair is overrated?? Hilarious.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

LOL. Your "proof" is from an online poll with a massive 47 people, where 27 out of 47 disagree that Flair is overrated?? Hilarious.

The thread is called "Ric Flair Is The Most Overrated Piece Of Shit Wrestler Ever". With 20 people out of 47 saying they hate him, I think I made a fair point. If he truly was the most overrated wrestler ever, only a few people would have agreed with Jake, not nearly half of the 47 voters!

Basically what I am saying is, the more people that likes Ric Flair, helps prove the point that he is overrated, but when you have more people bashing him in this thread rather than praising him, then he possibly can't be the most overrated wrestler ever.

 

[travis_touchdown]

I think I made a fair point.

Why, because this forum presents an actual representation of the full wrestling community?

I still can’t understand how you can justify your assertion with the limited evidence in your possession. An online forum poll with 47 votes isn’t exactly concrete evidence.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Why, because this forum presents an actual representation of the full wrestling community?

I still can’t understand how you can justify your assertion with the limited evidence in your possession. An online forum poll with 47 votes isn’t exactly concrete evidence.

I know that only 48 votes is not concrete evidence, but when you got somebody saying that Ric Flair is the MOST overrated wrestler of all time, I am expecting most people to vote for Flair being great, to prove that accusation.

 

[travis_touchdown]

I know that only 48 votes is not concrete evidence

Then would you choose to make the statement if you knew it was far from being valid? If the evidence itself is weak why would the assertion based on it be any different?

but when you got somebody saying that Ric Flair is the MOST overrated wrestler of all time, I am expecting most people to vote for Flair being great, to prove that accusation.

This forum does not represent the majority of wrestling fans. Furthermore, only a limited number of wrestling fans are members of the board, and an even smaller amount of the fans participated in this poll. The votes here do not provide sufficient evidence for your assertion. A preconceived notion does not change this.

 

[Freedom 35]

I wonder who the next wrestler that a respectable poster or two dislikes that will become hated by random clowns is?

 

[Evan Snow-Wolf]

Without a doubt there isn't anyone who is more overrated than Ric Flair. His wrestling is overrated. His matches are overrated. His impact to the business is overrated. His charisma is overrated. Almost everything about him is overrated.

I remember buying the Flair DVD with huge anticipation of seeing this "great wrestler" in some of his best matches, and by the time I finished watching it I was hugely disappointed, and from then on I knew he was as overrated as they come. Every one of his so called "great" matches are basically the same match with different opponents. His matches always lacked flow, psychology, realism and storytelling. He's also one of the most crappiest and unrealistic sellers of all time, not to mention his ridiculous comedy spots that he loves to fit in to all of his matches.

Just because Triple H and Shawn Michaels say he's the greatest, doesn't mean he actually is the greatest. I hate that the WWE has over-glorified his career. They have given millions of fans a bullshit illusion that Flair is the best ever, when in reality he's far from being the best ever.

Why is it that this exact same logic doesn't apply to Hogan?

 

[Jim618]

My point exactly if Flair is overrated because he had the same matches everytime so is Hogan. What people fail to realize is Flair could wrestle his a** off and did this for 4 decades! Flair made a name for himself for making other wrestlers look good. He would go out there and take a pounding in the ring then get a quick win with a handful of tights. He was the dirtiest player in the game. All these fans on here that are trying to take away from his legacy by judging him for the last ten 8-10 years of his carreer obviously dont know what there talking about. A LOT of wrestlers today couldnt pull off what naitch has accomplished. 16 Time World Champion! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Skillz]

Hogan's matches made sense. Flair's didn't. That's the difference. Everything Hogan did had a purpose, it all logically lead to telling a good story. Whereas a lot of the things Flair did was meaningless crap that lead to nothing. Hogan was a master at working the crowd and telling a great story in the ring. All Flair did was a bunch of random moves for 60 minutes.

One thing Flair did in many of his matches was push the referee, then the referee would push him back harder, making Flair look like an idiot. What the hell is the point of that? How does that add anything to the match? How does that contribute to the story of the match? It doesn't. All it is is one of the many ridiculous comedy spots that Flair used over and over again.

And then there's the Flair Flop. Where he would get hit in the head a few times, walk away and fall on his face. Also, the upside down turnbuckle spot and the climbing of the ropes only to get thrown off every single time... Again, what's the point of all this crap? All of these asinine cartoon spots do nothing for the match except take away all the realism. All of this bullshit, and people say he's the best ever? Please.