Raw the worst it's ever been? What needs to be fixed?

It's bad, the worst it's been in a while, but the worst it's ever been is a stretch. I remember watching Raw in the mid 90's and they once had Fake Razor Ramon vs. Marc Mero as the main event. I think those were the times when Raw was worst.
 
Is anyone saying it is the worst it has ever been actually watching Monday Night Raw? You have JeriShow - DX stuff. Gold. You have Swagger - Miz. Gold. You have Orton - Kofi. And I can't believe I'm saying this, Gold. Everything on Raw right now is so good. The last couple of years things have been BAD. This year is some of the best monday night television in recent history.

I've read some of what people are posting and it doesn't make sense. None of it qualifies the current Raw as the worst, or even bad at all. They aren't misusing the mid card talent for once. I can't believe someone can complain Kofi is getting too much of a push and Swagger isn't getting enough of one. Come on.

You are all seriously bitching just to bitch, and it is pathetic.
 
wasted talent like MVP, Swagger and Bourne are not being used correctly.

Randy Orton is now feuding with Kofi Kingston who in all due respect is not at his level yet.

So you complain that talented guys are being wasted and then go on to say that Kofi shouldn't be feuding with Orton? What they are doing with Kofi is exactly what they should be doing with him and guys like MVP, Swagger etc

I agree with you in regards to the current state of RAW at the moment, its barely watchable at times. The Guest Host thing is killing it for me. I enjoyed it when Trish did it and I will enjoy it if The Rock ever does it, but I find it almost painful watching the celebrities fluff their lines, pronounce wrestlers names incorrectly and generally looking like they are about to shit themselves in the middle of the ring.
 
Is anyone saying it is the worst it has ever been actually watching Monday Night Raw? You have JeriShow - DX stuff. Gold. You have Swagger - Miz. Gold. You have Orton - Kofi. And I can't believe I'm saying this, Gold. Everything on Raw right now is so good. The last couple of years things have been BAD. This year is some of the best monday night television in recent history.

I've read some of what people are posting and it doesn't make sense. None of it qualifies the current Raw as the worst, or even bad at all. They aren't misusing the mid card talent for once. I can't believe someone can complain Kofi is getting too much of a push and Swagger isn't getting enough of one. Come on.

You are all seriously bitching just to bitch, and it is pathetic.

D.X and jeri-show=gold? Swagger and miz=gold? Kofi vs. orton=gold? Bronze at best my friend, nothing more, I think what you have to realize is that having some bland segments, long boring promo's by jericho, lame skits by d.x, predictable matches and half-assed pushes isn't gold. Orton and kingston isn't bad, but the best monday night t.v. in recent history, :lmao: my ass. This current era makes the dark ages look like '99.
 
Well I'm going to have to 100000% agree with you! Raw is extremely stale.. but i disagree with the nickname the "a" show its more like the "f" show for "fucking pathetic" all they try and do is draw in ratings they don't give two shits about any of the feuds that are going on... they just care if the little kiddies buy their merchandise.. like the little Cena kid fans that are like ten, They just gather up those kids by a ******ed segment of hornswoggle running around shooting chavo with a squirt gun followed by a backstage segment between horny and Cena.
 
All of these are opinions. One person will think it's the best, the other will think it's good. You can't really shoot down other people's opinions with this subject, but I must shoot down Gamer's idea about Kofi and Orton...again. If you want people to not be wasted, they need feuds to establish their credibility. We are seeing a different attitude of Kofi Kingston as of late. Did I ever predict him to trash Orton's race car? Absolutely not. But meh, you can think what you want.
 
I wouldn't really say its the worse it's ever been, it isn't that bad really, Kofi vs Orton is playing out quite well, I'm really looking forward to the survivor series main events, the matches are not all that bad. People should be focusing on the good things of Raw, not the bad.
 
As for what I think needs to change about Raw: Anything to do with Hornswoggle needs to be scrapped. Just get rid of the guy. He's not funny or the least bit amusing anymore. Chavo just needs....just make the guy a road agent and be done with him. It's also time for DX to go the way of the dinosaurs. DX in their corny skits and jokes aren't getting it done. However, after SS, I have a feeling that DX's days are numbered so that's a good thing. If the WWE intends to keep going with the guest host aspect each week, I think they need to be a bit more selective personally. Rick Hatton may well be the worst host that the show's ever had. I'm not really all that thrilled in the direction they're going with Jeri-Show right now. I was happy with them in the tag team division and building it up. For the first time in years, I gave a shit about the tag division in the WWE.

I love what's going on with Kofi Kingston and Randy Orton. I don't know why anybody's pissing and moaning about that. Seems like no matter what the WWE does, they just can't win. Kofi Kingston and Randy Orton is a breath of fresh air right now. I also like what's going on with the Miz right now. I think he has a bright future and has the makings of a great heel champion. I think Rhodes and DiBiase can have a bright future as well, but I think Legacy has gone about as far as it can and it's time for one or both of them to stop being lackeys to Orton.

I think that if Raw does away with a lot of the comedy stuff that's going on right now, you'd see a big improvement on just about every aspect of the show. Vince McMahon loves cornball comedy but it's just not turning people on. Also, I think the WWE needs to do away with the aspect of having these guest hosts go over on their talent so damn much. Their doesn't always have to be some sort of conflict and the hosts could have more of a role on the show without dominating it.
 
I sat there on Monday night and watched the main event, what should be the big feud on the show, be reduced to a horrendous comedy skit featuring DX, Cena, and some little leprechaun. There should be tension there. DX should be questioning each other's motives. Cena should be adding fuel to the fire. There needs to be what the WWE seems to have forgotten for some time which is the surprise factor. The unpredictibility. A couple of weeks ago when Kofi came on the screen and delivered that passionate shoot, that was unpredictable. Everyone expected Orton to be able to bully some mid-carder, but what happened was he unleashed the beast in Kofi, leading to what I consider is THEE feud on Raw. I don't even care about DX and Cena. I know they'll have a great match as SS, but the storyline itself is so bland, so recycled, and to add Hornswoggle in for whatever reason is completely unnecessary. Sure, he brings in the kid audience, okay, but putting him in the middle of some idiotic potential lawsuit, please. I've have been a devout fan of WWE and especially Raw for years now. When Nitro was kicking it's ass week after week, I still watched Raw. But what I saw on Monday, what I continue to keep seeing week in and week out, has literally brought me to the point where I could stop watching at any time. In order to create new main eventers, they're going to have to make these guys step up, much like Kofi did. Interfere with a match with Cena. Hit him with a chair for no reason, except to make an impact. Come out as DX is entering and hit them from behind. Do things that we wouldn't expect. I'm sorry to ramble but Raw has just gotten so God awful I can't take it anymore.
 
RAW in 2003 was pretty bad as they had HHH as the top heel and basically nobody as the top face. Austin wasn't wrestling anymore and The Rock left. Smackdown at the time had Angle, Benoit, Taker, Cena, Lesnar, and Guerrero and they were the #1 show during that time. Nothing from 2003 was really memorable on RAW and all it boiled down to was a long HHH reign in which he was injured and all of the major feuds were crap.
 
There should be tension there. DX should be questioning each other's motives. Cena should be adding fuel to the fire. There needs to be what the WWE seems to have forgotten for some time which is the surprise factor. The unpredictibility.

Ok read what you wrote. You want wwe to pretty much do what they do everytime when 2 friends fight in a match for a title with another person involved. You want them to question each other while Cena adds onto the suspicion. Doesn't this happen everytime? It really does happen so much, so why is this unpredictable and surprising? I think it would be more surprising if DX goes into the match as partners and then start fighting and turning on each other during the the middle of the match.
 
Raw is going down the tube. The guest hosts each week is just terrible and they need to install a permanent G.M. Create new stars and great fueds to make the program more watchable. If the WWE don't bring in these changes or the flagship show will sink down the ratings.
 
Honestly it's not great but then I'm not 13 anymore and the WWE isn't targeted towards me. They still have the occasional great RAW, there have been 4 or 5 this year but on the whole, I can't ever remember being less interested in watching it than I am now. The "Anything can happen" RAW is gone, replaced by a badly acted play where the only purpose seems to be to hype the PPV's. Every Monday night is simply a 2 hour advert, RAW as an actual show that's meant to entertain is rare.
 
Is Raw a little stale? Sure. Is it terrible? No

I for one do not mind the guest host, as long as it is someone who is a fan and has knowledge of the show, like Ben Rothlisberger, Freddie prince and Seth Green. But yes having the Guest host there just to promote there product and knows nothing of the show I agree just ruins the show (Ozzy and Sharon, Jeremy Piven) or guys who are dull terrible on the mike (like those Nascar guys)

But I do love how everyone complains it is bad and stale, yet they have started to push guys like Kofi, the Miz, Swagger (Who I personnaly do not see what everyone else sees in this guy), and people still complain.
 
Raw the worst it's ever been? Not quite. They are actually doing a lot of things right. They are making new stars for the future. Guys like swagger, miz, kofi, legacy.... A lot of people complain about the hornswoggle stuff and the chavo/santino lame comedy segments, honestly those aren't so bad if you just accept them for what they are: stupid comedy segments. I laugh at them BECAUSE these segments are so dumb.

Raw's only problem is those idiotic guest hosts. Trish was great, so was Shaq.... The Rock will be if he hosts a Raw.... but the vast majority have been awful. Get rid of the guest hosts and then more people will see that Raw doesn't suck at all.
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I compeletely agree with all of you that feel Raw is the worst it has ever been? Aside from the ridiculous "PG" themed show(which is a long and ridiculous rant all by itself), nothing makes sense. The upcoming payperview has Cena/HHH/HBK in the main event, which might be interesting if they were not all friends(A triple threat with not 1 heel??)Orton goes from Champ to feuding with Kofi? JeriShow has become ridiculous. Jericho is the best thing WWE has going, and instead of showcasing his wrestling talent and ability to generate a worthwhile feud, he is nothing more than a comedy act. The guest hosts may entertain the mainstream middle americans that OCCASIONALLY watch Raw, but its insulting to the true die hard fans. It gives the show no credibility to develop any long standing storylines or feuds, and when was the last time there was a truely memorable feud? Probably HBK/Jericho IMO. Raw sucks now, I watch Smackdown religiously, and could care less if I miss Raw. I hate to say it, but even TNA is creating more interest at this point. How did they let Nigel McGuiness get awat for gods sake. I hope Lindas political career is worth it.
 
RAW is pretty pathetic at the moment. Having imebecile guest hosts every week and John Cena champion doesn't help, unless you're a 10 year old Nascar fan.

The Miz, Kofi Kingston and Orton are pretty much the shining lights and the only exciting things about the show.

Notable annoyances:
* Hornswoggle
* Kelly Kelly and that entrance music every week
* John Cena
* The championship being contested by the exact same guys for years
* Chavo Guerrero getting beat by some rubbish guy every week
* Guest hosts - Sharon Osbourne and that Asian guy with Piven were particularly shocking.
 
Raw used to rule wrestling.. i can stand what WWE has done with it...

The last RAW era I used to enjoy, was 2005 post-draft:

RAW
Kurt Angle
John Cena
Egde
Triple H
Shawn Michaels
Chris Jericho
Big Show
RVD
Kane
and Eric Bischoff as GM.


Smackdown
Batista
Rey Mysterio
Undertaker
JBL and his cabinet
Eddie Guerrero
Chris Benoit
Christian
Bobby Lashley (still developing)
MNM...

I like those days.

Another thing that RAW is lacking, is what another member of this forum said: THERE ARE NO STABLES. Raw used to have a lot of nice groups, (Corporation, DX, Nation of Domination, even those stupid Spirit Squad...). And what about the divas?? I remember PMS, they made me laugh... TNA right now has Beautifull People (I liked that idea), and WWE is giving push to... Alicia Fox???? RAW used to have nice wrestlers like Lita, Trish, Jacquelin, Chyna... and now, they use Gail Kim to job Alicia Fox...

Now.. I don't blame Cena for all of this. He carries the company by himself, with this fucking PG concept. I don't see Triple H fighting Swagger... The Main Event Mafia, on the other hand, worked on TNA because it allowed young wrestlers to fight "Legends".

It seems like WWE wants to give a push on Smackdown. But they are forgetting about Monday Night RAW, the show that made history with Stone Cold, The Rock, Undertaker, Mick Foley, Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Jericho, Hardys... and so on.

The only feud I see with future is Kofy vs Orton, and the last revelation as a solid heel is The Miz. If WWE wants to return RAW to its former glory, they need (in my opinion):

-Stables
-Banish Hornswoggle (and have Chavo kick his ass) from WWE for ever
-Some experienced wrestlers to help newcomers
-More drama when they have wrestlers win championships (the Intercontinental Championship was like trash before JBL took it, and now, I hope that the Miz will make the US Championship a true desired gold)
-Stop improving disasters like alicia fox
-Better commedy-like storylines (I believe that Booker T-Goldust was a balanced one, with a feud with nWo, and good vignettes)
 
Okay so we all know that Raw has seen better days (even though this last Raw when Hornswoggle got pedigreed was pretty awesome) this being in large part because of the PG rating that we all despise. But one other thing is the fact that most of the feuds have already been done, especially the ones for the WWE title. So my question is could a great fresh feud vastly improve Raw? I think it could definitely help! The feud that i think would be that great is Swagger-Cena.

We all saw their match back at the draft. It was AWESOME and it was on free tv! imagine a ppv match between these 2 for the strap! it would be a fresh face in the title picture and a great feud in my opinion. What if it lasted a few months? Getting more and more personal and each match getting better and better! I think this would make people wanna tune in to Raw every monday night and actually keep their hands off the fast forward button on their pvr.

What do you think? what feud could fix Raw if any?
 
I think that a really good fued could in fact fix RAW. But it can't be just a "good guy/bad guy" fued. Just having "hey, I have the belt" vs. "hey, I want the belt" isn't cutting it anymore for alot of fans. They want more stake in the fueds. They want to have their world turned upside down. In my oppinion, I want them to come up with something that we haven't seen yet. I know we've seen alot, but not everything.

Lets say, at SS Shawn turns heel against HHH. Ok. Same ol' same ol'. Something intreeging, but nothing out of left field. Shawn vs. HHH..... HHH wins..... so on, so on.

But what if Orton comes out and helps Shawn win the belt? TOTAL MIND TWIST!! Shawn comes out and says that he's tired of being in HHH's shadow. He's tired of Trips holding him back. And only 1 man holds as much hate for HHH as him. And thats Orton.

That will get RAW back on top. Shawn, Orton, Cody and Ted all gang up on HHH and Cena. Then, for some reason, Ted gets double crossed (wins the title, but refuses to give it to Orton/Shawn. Much like what happened to Orton) And Ted goes babyface.

Huge pushes, good controversy, and everyone is looking to see what happens next on RAW since the show stopper turned on everyone.
 
Okay so we all know that Raw has seen better days (even though this last Raw when Hornswoggle got pedigreed was pretty awesome) this being in large part because of the PG rating that we all despise. But one other thing is the fact that most of the feuds have already been done, especially the ones for the WWE title. So my question is could a great fresh feud vastly improve Raw? I think it could definitely help! The feud that i think would be that great is Swagger-Cena.

We all saw their match back at the draft. It was AWESOME and it was on free tv! imagine a ppv match between these 2 for the strap! it would be a fresh face in the title picture and a great feud in my opinion. What if it lasted a few months? Getting more and more personal and each match getting better and better! I think this would make people wanna tune in to Raw every monday night and actually keep their hands off the fast forward button on their pvr.

What do you think? what feud could fix Raw if any?

There is not one single feud that will likely "fix" Raw. At least not in Raw's current state. And again, I feel it is the PG rating that is prohibiting this from taking place ... because it places too many restrictions on what the WWE can and can't do.

Put it this way ... it sure as Hell isn't going to be John Cena vs Jack Swagger. Why? Swagger isn't a big enough name for the people to actually give a damn.

There was one feud in the past that was proven to "fix" Raw, and that was Austin vs McMahon. However, it took a colossal feud of that nature to do it, and clearly Cena vs Swagger can't come absolutely anywhere near to touching the greatness of Austin vs McMahon.

WWE needs an absolutely intense feud to draw viewers in. As BigBadBob alluded to, it certainly can't be about "the title" or "who's better" ... or any of that stuff. It needs to be about something more ... something intense .... something that will appeal to people's emotions. I just seriously question whether or not that could be pulled off successfully in a PG environment.
 
Somewhere down the line i would love to see Randy Orton v Chris Jericho seeing as Jericho is technically on Raw being a tag team champion.

I don't think they've ever had a feud before and this is a match worthy of WM callibre. If they played this out like Michaels/Jericho last year this could further cement Orton as the future of WWE for the next decade and give the fans a fresh feud between two excellent wrestlers.

What do you think?
 
I don't think they've ever had a feud before and this is a match worthy of WM callibre.

They had a very brief feud during Y2J's return to the WWE in 2007. Thanks to the brilliant minds of WWE Creative, the feud was short-lived and they put Jericho in a forgettable feud with JBL.

I personally would like to see Orton vs Jericho (He doesn't like to be called Y2J) but I think Jericho wants to stay in SmackDown. He's been very vocal about being happy with the blue show.

In my opinion, Raw should draft Hornswoggle to ECW. Or just create a midget division. He isn't entertaining anymore.

One more thing Raw needs is a Cruiserweight Division or something similar to the X Division. These cruiserweight wrestlers don't need to be involved in the World Title picture. They can entertain people with their stunts and acrobatics without violating the PG "law". Sadly, WWE just won't give them a try.
 
I seriously cannot fathom the idea that Raw is the 'worst it's ever been'. Raw is very entertaining right now, and has the biggest stars in the industry working on it. I am SO excited about the impending Cena/Shawn/Triple H match, putting these 3 in a match together is huge and hopefully some type of feud will come from it.

DX are entertaining, I still laugh at their segments. Everyone loves complaining about them, as they do anything which isn't the 'original' - nothing is ever as good as the first time it happened, apparently.

The Guest Hosts add something new to the show. While not all of them are good, the bad ones don't play a big enough part in the show for it to affect my overall enjoyment of the show.

Basically, as a general comment, if you can't stop complaining, then just stop watching - it's not rocket science.
 
*head desk*

Aren't we done with this Raw sucks horseshit? Are we seriously still griping about this? You're obviously not watching the same Raw that I have been watching. Everything Raw has been doing since Mania 25 has been pretty damn good and pretty damn effective. Yes, there have been some weeks where it was a little lackluster, but every single show in the world has lackluster episodes now and then. I can only remember about 4 bad episodes in the last 6-8 months. Let's address some of these "issues" people STILL bitch about.

1.) "The same people are champion for the last 3 years." No shit Sherlock. But you aren't going to snap your fingers and have Austin, The Rock, or somebody of that caliber just show up one week and turn Raw upside down. Do you not see the building happening with Kofi, Miz, and Swagger every single week? Hell, even Sheamus is getting some good heat. These things take time. Just because you have a hard-on for all the mid-card heels doesn't mean they automatically make good champions. Let it develop. Rocky Miavia and The Ringmaster weren't great WWE Champions either. Oh wait... that's right, they weren't champions at all.

2.) "I HATEZ JOHN CENA AZ CHAMPIONZ!!" Well then who else geniuses? Seriously? Who else. Everybody bitches about HHH being champion, HBK doesn't want the schedule that goes along with it (although having him carry the belt into Mania from Survivor Series or Armageddon would be a great idea because that man deserves one more title run and you can tell he has it in him), Orton... as much as it hurts to say it, Orton is just epic fail as a champion. He can't hold a title with any effectiveness to save his life. That leaves Cena. I'm not a huge Cena fan, but I think the "I hate Cena bandwagon" has left the station, crashed, and burned. To still just loathe this man is ridiculous. He makes a great champion whether you like it or not. So who else should be champion then? Michael Cole? Get over it people. And if you don't like the champions... see #1.

3) Hornswaggle. If you think this little elf is single-handedly ruining Raw, (and some actually do) then you're not even a wrestling fan and you seriously need your head checked. Nuff said.

4) Guest Hosts. They bring a new dynamic to the show. With the exception of about 2 or 3 hosts, the guest host thing has gone over pretty damn well. It's a little lacking now because of all the "WWE Legends" that are hosting because while they're nice to see now and again, I don't put them in the same league as entertainment value goes when you have hosts like Bob Barker, Shaq, Big Ben, and even Piven. These guest hosts have been good for press. There's no such thing as bad press. I mean how many times have you seen the WWE mentioned on ESPN in the last 10 years prior to the guest host concept? Probably like three times. Once for the Benoit incident, once for something positive probably back in like... 2001, and during the hype for the Mayweather/Big Show angle. It's just a guess. Now how many times have I personally heard the WWE mentioned on ESPN in the last 4-6 months. Probably 4 or 5. These sports stars hosting Raw get coverage believe it or not. No matter how big or small it is, the WWE being mentioned on ESPN is good for the E every. single. time. Skip Bayless can say aaaaaaaanything he wants, but again... there's no such thing as bad press. Shaq, Big Ben, Mayweather, Piven... I know these guys got discussed on First Take or something else the day after they hosted Raw. Some even the day of. ESPN doesn't recognize the WWE as a sport, nor should they. But they're mentioning them. I say keep the guest hosts coming.

That rounds out the major "issues." If you don't like Raw, quit watching it. You're not "the cool kid in class" because you watch something and then continually bash it or talk about horrible it is. It's that easy. Don't turn on USA at 9 pm on Monday nights. Go watch Two and a Half Men or whatever horrible medical or crime drama is on that night.
 

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