Hey guys I know when u saw the title of this you were like what the F*CK is this guy talking about, but hear me out The Rock and Stone Cold were major stars because they played to the fans. For example stone cold would say to the fans, "If ya wanna see me whoop this bastards ass give me a hell yeah" and the rock would use his major catch phrases like the "Millions and Millions" of Rock's fans. With today's stars like Miz Cena and Del Rio they all play to the fans using their great catch phrase like "REALLY?" "WWE Universe" "My name is Alberto Del RIo and You already know it". All of them have theyre things with the fans whether they are heel or face but the question is what does Randy Orton have with the fans. Orton doesnt really play to the fans unless he's doing his infamous Legend Killer pose which really sucks because its something he lags from and he really needs it. If he said things like, "WWE Universe do u want to see me kick this man in the Skull" then that would make his career better. For me i always thought the superstar that is the better man is the man the plays to the fans even if i liked them or not. So u guys can start bashing on my comment but this is the way i feel about Orton.
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Randy Orton doesnt have what it takes to be Rock or Stone Cold
- Thread starter KKKKwe
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Keep in mind he had to stop doing the legend killer pose because he himself said he was being cheered to much for at the time when he was trying to be a mega heel (when he was first becoming the viper) even though it was stalled by a new heel twist the turn to tweener was always going to happen. WWE could of let it happen as early as two years ago if they wanted.
Keep in mind he had to stop doing the legend killer pose because he himself said he was being cheered to much for at the time when he was trying to be a mega heel (when he was first becoming the viper) even though it was stalled by a new heel twist the turn to tweener was always going to happen. WWE could of let it happen as early as two years ago if they wanted.
But hes a face now and he was doing it before so why has he stopped now to just doing the Austin raising the arms or the Kurt Angle raising the arms with the index fingers standing up
BenChiefin
Dark Match Winner
I didn't read the original post but I know what you mean by this.
He lacks the verbal charisma. Everyone has the be in someway kinda funny with something they say. Whether you're laughing at Stone Cold talking so much shit about whooping your ass, to the rock's crowd interactions, jokes, or just the way he said "You... rap at me?" That get's it done.
Dude just has... the voices. Half the people I work with (at a 50 tv sports bar) call him RKO when his picture shows up for a ppv ad.
He lacks the verbal charisma. Everyone has the be in someway kinda funny with something they say. Whether you're laughing at Stone Cold talking so much shit about whooping your ass, to the rock's crowd interactions, jokes, or just the way he said "You... rap at me?" That get's it done.
Dude just has... the voices. Half the people I work with (at a 50 tv sports bar) call him RKO when his picture shows up for a ppv ad.
The Suplexer Perfecter
The One and Only
He has what it takes to be the FIRST Randy Orton.
Which is what you're supposed to do.
Which is what you're supposed to do.
Lucha-Libre is wrestling
Getting Noticed By Management
Randy Orton's Viper character is very unique and it shouldn't be tamper with. He becomes a lunatic in the ring and on the mic, yes his mic needs a little bit improvement but its good for the Viper role he is playing. In my eyes this character is more attitude era then PG, I also think that Randy is way more athletic then the Rock & Austin. I always thought he should be the one to end Taker Mania streak.
jacdnwarrior
Championship Contender
Orton isn't as comfortable on the mike as Austin and the Rock. He isn't as charismatic as the Rock so I don't disagree with anything you say about Orton. The difference is Austin and The Rock got a shitload of segment time on Raw or Smackdown to develop their characters' voice. Orton remembers his lines and says them. That's good. It won't get him to the next level until he actually is written words that help his character, that shows he has the ability to be humourous, etc, and that he's comfortable with saying.
BTW, a performer like the Rock or Austin isn't the easiest thing to find. It takes a lot of development of the character and very few people have the qualities WWE had to work with, when they created these characters. So if Orton never becomes that, there's nothing wrong with that because characters as successful as those two don't come along all that often.
BTW, a performer like the Rock or Austin isn't the easiest thing to find. It takes a lot of development of the character and very few people have the qualities WWE had to work with, when they created these characters. So if Orton never becomes that, there's nothing wrong with that because characters as successful as those two don't come along all that often.
KingWorm22
Guest
I think Randy Orton has what it takes to be an all time great, despite what you think he is good on the mic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I8nri5AaQg
He just can't show his mic skills with this viper gimmick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I8nri5AaQg
He just can't show his mic skills with this viper gimmick.
wzaofmars420
Dark Match Jobber
Am I the only person who gets annoyed looking at Randy's face? I def. do, but I realize that his face is what replaces his mic work. Stone cold didn't ever really make specific faces, but he was great on the mic. The Rock made the most electrifying eyebrow look, and was great on the mic. Randy Orton just has this look that he always does, and it's somewhat annoying. Does anyone know what I'm talking about, and agree?
That being said, I don't really think Orton will make it to the status of Rock and Austin, which is a shame, cause I thought he was next in line to follow the attitude era trilogy (Austin>Rock>Triple H). I really thought Orton would be next, but he never speaks, and I was very disappointed that he won the title back in September, instead of winning the rumble then winning the title at Mania. They messed up the role he was on.
Regardless of my opinion, he's still huge and is the bad boy of the faces and is going to stay that way for a while, I just don't think he'll be remembered as as great as Austin and Rock
That being said, I don't really think Orton will make it to the status of Rock and Austin, which is a shame, cause I thought he was next in line to follow the attitude era trilogy (Austin>Rock>Triple H). I really thought Orton would be next, but he never speaks, and I was very disappointed that he won the title back in September, instead of winning the rumble then winning the title at Mania. They messed up the role he was on.
Regardless of my opinion, he's still huge and is the bad boy of the faces and is going to stay that way for a while, I just don't think he'll be remembered as as great as Austin and Rock
Deexter Jorgan
Has a Dark Passenger on board...
this thread is literally comparing apples to oranges, the fact is there will never be another Rock or Stone Cold in the WWE.
but that is not necessarily a bad thing.
Randy Orton has elevated himself with the viper gimmick, he braught his career to another level and turned himself face because he plays his character to a T, exactly the way austin and the Rock played their characters.
but nowdays wrestling has thrown away any believability in storylines or characters because even heels sit there on twitter exposing themselves which never happened in the past.
weather it be the WWE or TNA wrestling nowdays is considered the same as TV shows, scripted television and has taken away any believability in its stars or its product.
we believed that austin hated mcmahon, we believed that the rock either loved himself, or loved the people just by promos alone, when Melina turned heel we didnt believe the character because she was all over twitter telling us its fake.
we didnt believe in dibiase jr because we cant get behind his rich persona, Orton differs in this respect as he doesnt go on twitter kissing ass he plays the cold character, the calculating character he will never cut a promo like the rock or show the ass kicking intensity like austin but Orton will scare you, because you never know whats on his mind.
Simple fact.
Orton is doing his job and i believe his feud with Punk will add a whole new level to the viper.
but that is not necessarily a bad thing.
Randy Orton has elevated himself with the viper gimmick, he braught his career to another level and turned himself face because he plays his character to a T, exactly the way austin and the Rock played their characters.
but nowdays wrestling has thrown away any believability in storylines or characters because even heels sit there on twitter exposing themselves which never happened in the past.
weather it be the WWE or TNA wrestling nowdays is considered the same as TV shows, scripted television and has taken away any believability in its stars or its product.
we believed that austin hated mcmahon, we believed that the rock either loved himself, or loved the people just by promos alone, when Melina turned heel we didnt believe the character because she was all over twitter telling us its fake.
we didnt believe in dibiase jr because we cant get behind his rich persona, Orton differs in this respect as he doesnt go on twitter kissing ass he plays the cold character, the calculating character he will never cut a promo like the rock or show the ass kicking intensity like austin but Orton will scare you, because you never know whats on his mind.
Simple fact.
Orton is doing his job and i believe his feud with Punk will add a whole new level to the viper.
achromat666
Pre-Show Stalwart
I think Randy Orton has what it takes to be an all time great, despite what you think he is good on the mic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I8nri5AaQg
He just can't show his mic skills with this viper gimmick.
completely agree. Orton has demonstrated the mic skills, what we see now is simply a by product of him morphing into a different Orton in the Viper.
His method no longer consists of the cocky arrogant Orton, but I don't think he'd have a problem doing it at all.
orton is the main reason i stopped watching wwe and the miz is the the reason why i will not watch wwe for years to come
look at the 80s and 90s when wrestlers looked tough and u think man id like to be that guy but now this is what we get. i bet i could beat them in a match hands down. i couldnt say that with people like hhh, taker, rock, austin, savage, etc i knew i wouldnt get a punch in, but orton, miz, kofi, mysterio i would be the next brock lesnar compared to them. they look so weak and they would much likely fit better in a gay porn rather than a wrestling ring.
look at the 80s and 90s when wrestlers looked tough and u think man id like to be that guy but now this is what we get. i bet i could beat them in a match hands down. i couldnt say that with people like hhh, taker, rock, austin, savage, etc i knew i wouldnt get a punch in, but orton, miz, kofi, mysterio i would be the next brock lesnar compared to them. they look so weak and they would much likely fit better in a gay porn rather than a wrestling ring.
drk_knight
Dark Match Winner
there should never be another austin and rock. Ortons making his own character and is doing perfect. The thing is orton needs someone to make chemistry with and punk is just the person. Orton is the kind of person you dont want to get into a fight with and him vsing nexus is great for his character. Watch the orton and punk fued then talk.
RockNRolla
Dark Match Jobber
Randy Orton is certainly NEVER going to be the face of WWE. Orton lacks any sort of charisma and is, quite frankly, boring. Will never be a great heel. Will never be a great face, he's going to just float around and be a lackluster champion/#1 contender. We all certainly know that he is not an entertaining WWE Champion.
If WWE creative was smart, they would bring prestige back to the IC strap and start by giving Orton a very long title run. That's personally where I feel Orton belongs.
Orton may be the best fit for an Intercontinental Champion that we've seen in 10 years.
If WWE creative was smart, they would bring prestige back to the IC strap and start by giving Orton a very long title run. That's personally where I feel Orton belongs.
Orton may be the best fit for an Intercontinental Champion that we've seen in 10 years.
He has what it takes to be the FIRST Randy Orton.
Which is what you're supposed to do.
<-- This..
For one thing, there will never be another Stone Cold, Bret Hart, HBK, Rock, Hogan or Ric Flair they are one off's. There will only ever be pretenders and others claiming this or that person is gonna be the next clone.
Orton only compared to Stone Cold in his attitude not his demeanor, charisma.
He's a top class performer on his own merits. I feel he's more like a Jake The Snake (slow and snake like) with bits of Stone Cold then the next Stone Cold Steve Austin
Atm he's a little stale but i think they are just holding him off to give others a chance and let him heal wounds.
Randy Orton is certainly NEVER going to be the face of WWE. Orton lacks any sort of charisma and is, quite frankly, boring. Will never be a great heel. Will never be a great face, he's going to just float around and be a lackluster champion/#1 contender. We all certainly know that he is not an entertaining WWE Champion.
If WWE creative was smart, they would bring prestige back to the IC strap and start by giving Orton a very long title run. That's personally where I feel Orton belongs.
Orton may be the best fit for an Intercontinental Champion that we've seen in 10 years.
Orton is a chasing champion like an Undertaker, and he certainly is a world champ material, sure he's a little boring on the mic, but damn Cena is utter crap on the mic and yet he's the face of the company. Just cause Orton doesn't conform to the kiddie fiddling PG stereotype, if you can't see that, you are watching the wrong show.... Having him as a 2nd tier champ would be a waste and then people would be bitching that he's holding back lesser talent from some notoriety
Suplexor Perfector, you are exactly right. I hate when people say, this guy's the next this guy. We as IWC fans love originality. Why would we wanna see a modern rehash of a character? I believe it would tarnish some of the legacy of the original. Could you imagine Randy Orton coming out in jean shorts, and a vest drinking beer and throwing up birdies? I can but wouldnt you be like WTF?! There are similarites between Orton and Austin because both of their gimmicks are snakes and involve a loaner, tweener, no shit, attitude.
Orton will be his own man and so will all of the other superstars
Orton will be his own man and so will all of the other superstars
I'm getting tired of people saying there will never be another Austin or The Rock. Blah Blah Blah. Yeah you know why there won't be!? Because the IWC will then say something equally as stupid along the lines of "oh he's just an Austin/Rock rip off". Randy Orton will never, can never and should never be the next Austin/Rock because they've already been done. That gimmick is over and done with.
Here's a novel concept. Why doesn't everyone stop trying to find the "next Austin/Rock" and let the athletes be THEMSELVES. Let Randy be Randy. It's not let Randy be Steve or let Randy be Dwayne.
And Randy doesn't play the fans..uhhhh what planet are you on!? What do you think him dropping to the mat, pounding his fists into the ring is? Yeah that's playing to the crowd. He doesn't play to the crowd? Watch his WM match against Ted/Cody... Yeah he played to the crowd BIG time. Do you know what playing to the crowd even is man!?
If so then you would know that when the fans START to chant "RKO..RKO...RKO...RKO" and he looks out to them BEFORE even setting up for the RKO...that's what I call playing to the fans. Orton doesn't need WORDS to be over and to play to the crowd. He let's his GESTURES and ACTIONS play to them.
Here's a novel concept. Why doesn't everyone stop trying to find the "next Austin/Rock" and let the athletes be THEMSELVES. Let Randy be Randy. It's not let Randy be Steve or let Randy be Dwayne.
And Randy doesn't play the fans..uhhhh what planet are you on!? What do you think him dropping to the mat, pounding his fists into the ring is? Yeah that's playing to the crowd. He doesn't play to the crowd? Watch his WM match against Ted/Cody... Yeah he played to the crowd BIG time. Do you know what playing to the crowd even is man!?
If so then you would know that when the fans START to chant "RKO..RKO...RKO...RKO" and he looks out to them BEFORE even setting up for the RKO...that's what I call playing to the fans. Orton doesn't need WORDS to be over and to play to the crowd. He let's his GESTURES and ACTIONS play to them.
Why should it matter that he will never be the next Rock or Stone cold. Obviously there will never be another one of them but He does have what it takes to be Randy Orton and that's good enough. Randy is over, and at the moment one of the top faces in the WWE and he is doing a good job.
Rock and Austin are from another WWE Era...
Orton is the future, the guy only is 30 years old!!
And Orton always was the guy that is misterious, vicious and badass!!
Only for is looks, I wouldnt want to fight him, he has a scary gimmick, the type of character (only one either) that can put anyone out for weeks with that punt in the skull, that he does so perfectly that we really believe he fucked the guy up!!
So Orton is ORTON, and Austin is Austin!! And i bet in the future anybody will talk about Rock/Austin!! They will talk about Cena/Orton!!!
I really think that Orton should be the one to take out Taker in Wrestlemania!
but eventually its going to be Cena!!
Talking about Orton yet!!
He a side as Edge have the most brilliant finisher invented by the WWE!!
RKOs and SPEARs can come anytime and does great effect, its awesome to see from nowhere an RKO!!
and withouth interacting with the fans, he always gets POP's bigger than Cena has!!
Cena may be the face of the company, but Orton sure is hanging him!!
OMG i LOVED CENA/ORTON HELL IN A CELL!!
Orton is the future, the guy only is 30 years old!!
And Orton always was the guy that is misterious, vicious and badass!!
Only for is looks, I wouldnt want to fight him, he has a scary gimmick, the type of character (only one either) that can put anyone out for weeks with that punt in the skull, that he does so perfectly that we really believe he fucked the guy up!!
So Orton is ORTON, and Austin is Austin!! And i bet in the future anybody will talk about Rock/Austin!! They will talk about Cena/Orton!!!
I really think that Orton should be the one to take out Taker in Wrestlemania!
but eventually its going to be Cena!!
Talking about Orton yet!!
He a side as Edge have the most brilliant finisher invented by the WWE!!
RKOs and SPEARs can come anytime and does great effect, its awesome to see from nowhere an RKO!!
and withouth interacting with the fans, he always gets POP's bigger than Cena has!!
Cena may be the face of the company, but Orton sure is hanging him!!
OMG i LOVED CENA/ORTON HELL IN A CELL!!
No your 100% right OP he wont be the next Rock or Stone Cold because he's not trying to be them, he's trying to be the first Randy Orton.
So what if he's not good on the best on the mic does he really need to be with his gimmick? No.
Randy Orton is the next Randy Orton.
So what if he's not good on the best on the mic does he really need to be with his gimmick? No.
Randy Orton is the next Randy Orton.
therockiswwf
The voice of Michael Cole's headset
First of all NO ONE has the charisma of The Rock. Chris Jericho is probably the closest you can get.
Really the only reason this Randy/Stone Cold stuff started was because Orton started to RKO everyone and had a snake nickname.
Now to answer the thread
No it wouldn't suite Orton's character. Orton is not supposed to love the crowd, this guy, that guy he is a lone wolf. I could go on but I would just repeat myself.
PS-Does his pounding the mat count?
PSS- Can people please get off this, X wrestler remembers his lines and says them. They do get a script, but they don't have to follow it to a T. They probably have the freedom to add or try something. Jericho said himself, that Vince appreciates it when you try something (even if he doesn't like it).
Really the only reason this Randy/Stone Cold stuff started was because Orton started to RKO everyone and had a snake nickname.
Now to answer the thread
No it wouldn't suite Orton's character. Orton is not supposed to love the crowd, this guy, that guy he is a lone wolf. I could go on but I would just repeat myself.
PS-Does his pounding the mat count?
PSS- Can people please get off this, X wrestler remembers his lines and says them. They do get a script, but they don't have to follow it to a T. They probably have the freedom to add or try something. Jericho said himself, that Vince appreciates it when you try something (even if he doesn't like it).
3/4 Facelock
Pre-Show Stalwart
Stop staying that current wrestlers don't have what it takes to be Attitude Era wrestlers. These kind of threads make my nose bleed. It's frustrating to see that after almost 10 years some fans can't enjoy the current product because they can't move on.
Comparison is one thing. All wrestlers pull something from older wrestlers. It's the nature of the business. But watching the programing and, in your mind, trying to replace a wrestler with another is the wrong way to watch.
You want Orton to stick his middle fingers up and drink beer? Stupid. You want John Morrison to have a superkick? Stupid. You want John Cena to act like Brock Lesnar? Stupid. You want Shemus to learn how to do the Pedigree? Stupid.
Learn to see these wrestlers as the characters they are showing you.
Comparison is one thing. All wrestlers pull something from older wrestlers. It's the nature of the business. But watching the programing and, in your mind, trying to replace a wrestler with another is the wrong way to watch.
You want Orton to stick his middle fingers up and drink beer? Stupid. You want John Morrison to have a superkick? Stupid. You want John Cena to act like Brock Lesnar? Stupid. You want Shemus to learn how to do the Pedigree? Stupid.
Learn to see these wrestlers as the characters they are showing you.
go_patriots11
Occasional Pre-Show
The only reason I can see why Orton is a "main event" guy right now is because of the state WWE is in today. Total cold spot and lacking in talent/storylines. You think Orton would be anything special in the attitude era? or even before that? No way!
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
I honestly don't understand why so many people focus on something like this. Why should Randy Orton, or anyone for that matter, be concerned with being the next Stone Cold or The Rock? We have such fond memories growing up of watching them do their thing that nobody is going to quite be able to compare so all we're doing in our minds is setting the next line of stars up for failure.
Wrestling has changed a lot since I was in my teens and the Attitude Era was in full swing. The mystique of wrestling is pretty much gone, the internet has all but obliteratted it and that mystique of not knowing what was going to happen next or how something was going to be pulled off just isn't there. That was a key factor in why I loved wrestling when I was growing up. If The Rock or Stone Cold were young men in their prime in this day and age, they wouldn't enjoy the kind of appeal that they actually do have. Even when I was a kid, I still heard a lot of old wrestling fans say that The Rock would never be Ric Flair or that Stone Cold wasn't anywhere close to Hulk Hogan's league. Today, we do the same thing with the young stars only we substitute Rock & Austin for Flair & Hogan.
The Viper is a great tweener character and it works just fine the way I see it. Randy Orton has never been booked as this cute, somewhat funny or lovable guy and that's just fine with me. It might just be me but I've just always had this feeling about Orton that booking him as more of a standard "popular" face in the same vein as Rock or Austin just wouldn't work with him. Orton just simply doesn't give off the aura of a nice guy when he's out there in the ring. He's been, arguably, the most despicable heel in wrestling for the better part of half a decade and being a straight up good guy just doesn't seem natural. Some guys can pull off either being heel or face with ease, but most can't. Orton is doing his job just fine and I'm not overly concerned whether or not he's the next Rock or Stone Cold. As far as I'm concerned, he doesn't need to be.
Wrestling has changed a lot since I was in my teens and the Attitude Era was in full swing. The mystique of wrestling is pretty much gone, the internet has all but obliteratted it and that mystique of not knowing what was going to happen next or how something was going to be pulled off just isn't there. That was a key factor in why I loved wrestling when I was growing up. If The Rock or Stone Cold were young men in their prime in this day and age, they wouldn't enjoy the kind of appeal that they actually do have. Even when I was a kid, I still heard a lot of old wrestling fans say that The Rock would never be Ric Flair or that Stone Cold wasn't anywhere close to Hulk Hogan's league. Today, we do the same thing with the young stars only we substitute Rock & Austin for Flair & Hogan.
The Viper is a great tweener character and it works just fine the way I see it. Randy Orton has never been booked as this cute, somewhat funny or lovable guy and that's just fine with me. It might just be me but I've just always had this feeling about Orton that booking him as more of a standard "popular" face in the same vein as Rock or Austin just wouldn't work with him. Orton just simply doesn't give off the aura of a nice guy when he's out there in the ring. He's been, arguably, the most despicable heel in wrestling for the better part of half a decade and being a straight up good guy just doesn't seem natural. Some guys can pull off either being heel or face with ease, but most can't. Orton is doing his job just fine and I'm not overly concerned whether or not he's the next Rock or Stone Cold. As far as I'm concerned, he doesn't need to be.
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