Randy Orton: Bit Crap Really

[Slyfox696]

The only reaction I've seen from the crowd is "Hey let's see what the score is on Monday Night Football" or "Finally a chance to go the bathroom." The live crowds are always dead when he's on the mic or in the ring and the direct connection between his air time and Raw's ratings speaks for itsself.

We must be watching a different Randy Orton. Because I usually hear strong reaction from the crowd when Orton was not the champion.

And, what's wrong with Raw's rating?

Well, there's the other half of the stipulation that everybody's ignoring for some reason...HBK can't use his finisher, BUT if Orton gets DQed he loses the title.

Yeah, but there are other times where DQed loses a belt. But not often does a finisher get taken out because it's been so successful. There's got to be something more to it.

 

[Elliott White]

Orton is talented on doubt about it, but how can someone honestly say he is better than Cena because he is not. Cena is better than Orton at almost if not every single way for example Cena > Orton on the mic, in the ring, backstage attitude AND AT SELLING (merchandise and injuries).

Cena > Orton?
How? Look at all of John Cena's matches. Look at John Cena highlights. Do all of his moves happen in the center of the ring? Yes. There's that one legdrop turnbuckle fame-asser thing that some producer told him to do, but other than that; that's it.

Randy Orton uses all parts of the ring in his offense EVEN WHEN HE IS LEADING THE MATCH. When Cena leads, we see the FMOD in the center of the ring. That's about it....

Wrestlemania 23. John Cena stopped selling his leg and HBK has a fit. After the match, HBK didn't shake his hand cause he didn't sell his leg at all. It was like HBK's 20 minutes of offense didn't even stun him...We all know Cena is booked as Superman and it's gone to his head, but at Wrestlemania if you're gonna keep a title, you HAVE TO put on a good match.

I'm a wrestler myself. SELLING is everything in the wrestling business. If a guy can't sell a move it looks stupid, cause wrestling is fake. You dudes who think I'm talking about merchandise: read a book.

I don't care, if a guy can't sell; there is no point in working with him

 

[Slyfox696]

Cena > Orton?
How? Look at all of John Cena's matches. Look at John Cena highlights. Do all of his moves happen in the center of the ring? Yes. There's that one legdrop turnbuckle fame-asser thing that some producer told him to do, but other than that; that's it.

Randy Orton uses all parts of the ring in his offense EVEN WHEN HE IS LEADING THE MATCH. When Cena leads, we see the FMOD in the center of the ring. That's about it....

Wrestlemania 23. John Cena stopped selling his leg and HBK has a fit. After the match, HBK didn't shake his hand cause he didn't sell his leg at all. It was like HBK's 20 minutes of offense didn't even stun him...We all know Cena is booked as Superman and it's gone to his head, but at Wrestlemania if you're gonna keep a title, you HAVE TO put on a good match.

I'm a wrestler myself. SELLING is everything in the wrestling business. If a guy can't sell a move it looks stupid, cause wrestling is fake. You dudes who think I'm talking about merchandise: read a book.

I don't care, if a guy can't sell; there is no point in working with him

You must not like Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Randy Orton, Mick Foley, Terry Funk, The Undertaker, Steve Austin, Sting, Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, Sabu, RVD, Ric Flair, The Rock, Chris Benoit, Edge etc. either.

Because I can think of at least one instance where all of them have no-sold.

And, like HBK is one to throw a fit for poor selling. He's notorious for horrible selling.


And, if you really are a wrestler, then you should be able to understand why Cena is far superior to Orton. Not that Orton is terrible, but Cena is one of the best in the world.

 

[NYSandman]

One thing about Orton that I've heard makes me a bit pissed. His attitude towards the fans and giving autographs and the such. It seems like he's a prima dona, and thinks he's too good to mingle with the people who pay his salary. I know some fans can be assholes when it comes to bothering wrestlers, but we do pay your salaries so deal with it.

I think he is a decent in ring performer, and on a scale of 1 to 10 I'd give his mic skills a 6. The Legend Killer gimmick is pretty good, and he has a great finisher, allthough it is quite similar to the stunner.

I think he was given the title WAAAAAAAAY too soon. His out of ring antics should not have been rewarded with a title. He could be a great IC champ, but not carrying the strap for RAW.

He also tends to be bland in his interviews. Allthough he talks big shit, he doesn't back it up with emotion. If you're talking about ending someone's career, you should be yelling, frothing at the mouth, and stomping around. It's like he memorized what he wants to say, and then just says it, but I do not sense genuine emotion.

Maybe when he grows up, he'll be a better wrestler. I think he's been pushed too hard and too soon.

 

[Meilichia]

I use to like Orton, but since he got the title I have gone right off him, and i have no idea why, I still watch his promos and matches because he is against HBK at the moment who is one of my favourites, but other than that... I probably wouldn't watch him, although he is a 100% better than having Cena as champ..

 

[builder]

Anybody agree. He's not a bad wrestler. And he can cut an ok promo. But like Carlito he's so unspectacular sometimes I think ''Why is he Raw's top heel''. It's not like he frequebtly has amazing matches. He has good matches. But I'd have to say he's only ever had one great match. And that was a gimmick match. And it's debatable as to weather that's great. Take away the thumb tac spot and is it just a good hardcore match?

As for promos the guy is totally monotone. He never shows any change in his voice. Randys anger is the same as his mildly disgruntled. It's also pretty similar to his happy. Emoting is not his strong point. His promos are just to the point. When he retires what will he be known for? Not his wrestling or his mic skills, thats for sure.

He'll probably be know for his Legend Killer gimmick. Problem with that is that he's never defeated or won feuds with the big names like Hogan, Austin or Taker. So will that even go down as one of the greates gimmicks of all time? I don't think so.

all this proves in wwes lack of good writers. Orton is the most beleivable monster heel i have seen since Lesnar. He virtually screams fury when he punts people in the head. His essentially an iceman, (like he was refered to in OVW) Orton has had many great matches and im quite surprised ud say that. im not goin to name them all but.......summerslam cena orton. they proved that they dnt need to be carried anymore. Orton Taker, wrestlemania, hell in a cell, orton benoit, his survivor series matches have been great.
and best of all was triple HHH lms match no mercy.
He jst needs better writing and his monster heel gimmick back

 

[builder]

Orotn is great at executing moves and selling them AS WELL. i would love to see his elevated neckbreaker back again. his powerslams, dropkicks, backbreakers are great. his punches and uppercuts and now bodyshots are also beaut.

he should add a few more moves like then neckbreaker back again. but something tells me that, like Khali, people are limiting his moves.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Orton is the most beleivable monster heel i have seen since Lesnar.

He's not a monster heel. Khali, Henry etc. There montser heels. You can't be a monster heel if you're not physically imposing. Orton is pretty small for a main event wrestler. He's certainly a cocky heel. Sly as well. But saying he's a monster is silly.

 

[YIPPIE KI YAY!]

IMO Randy Orton could be great,i think he would make a great wwe champ,if the creative team does it right,ever since Orton became champ he lost the belt 15 minutes after he got rewarded it,won it after hhh had 2 wwe championship matches and was buggered,and now every time we see him he gets knocked out by HBK.

If Orton actually gets some clean wins over top wrestlers he will be seen as a better heel,right now he is just a champ who won it because the former champ was injured,cheated to win matches,or just getting himself DQ'd,he needs to actually look like a dominating wrestler that has the title because he is good,the opponents that face him should be considered the underdog's cause he is hard to beat,they need wrestlers that are trying to finally overcome the mountain by defeating him,not him going into the match as an underdog,and only winning if he cheats.

Like Brock Lesner,when he was a heel,he won his matches clean,and was a dominating force,yes i know Lesner is a more powerful and dominating wrestler then Orton but they could make Orton look at least a bit of a threat.

Orton i think could be the main guy in the wwe,if they play him well,Orton needs to try and more moves to his matches as well and yes,he needs to stop doing headlocks,They need to give Orton a little bit mor Mic time to improve on his skills,make him a little bit more sadistic,and make his moves a little bit more aggressive and that if he is actually trying to end his opponents career.

 

[robwylde90]

Really I think we could all take him a bit more seriously as champion if the booking team hadnt come up with the great idea of HBK kicking him in the face for 5 weeks solid. 6 Months build up as the man with no remorse, the man who kicks people in the head just for the hell of it and to end careers, all gone in 5 weeks. Really could the booking team get any more ridiculous an idea? I dont honesty think iv seen a champion look any weaker , even mysterio was beating people like JBL clean after he won the title, and his win was ment to be divine intervention.

I really have to add though, how can you doubt Ortons match quality, at PPvs anyway? Through 2004 and 2005 his PPv matches where generally the best on the card , and at WM 22 id have to say his triple threat match was the best also, the fires kinda gone now tho, since for 6 months we saw him demolish people, which obviously didnt make for great matches, and now we get to watch him get demolished over and over, same result.

 

[Batistabomb10]

I agree, he can't differentiate between his emotions while in the ring. His mediocre promotional attempts are almost unprofessional, considering there are SO many speakers which are better than him in that regard. He is a decent talent, but I draw the line at spectacular.

 

[LegendKiller14]

Being a big Orton fan myself you do have to realise one thing. He's still young. He has alot of time to pickup this legendary status, and i think given the right guidance and such, he will.

 

[sarahrko]

WWE are limiting him. Simple as.

He can't show his true potential 'cause he's stuck in a feud with HBK. (i don't like the feud). He's been booked badly, the Hogan match was absolute crap and Hogan did not need to win that, and could've put Randy over big time. His current title reign is terrible, he should be dominating not receiving SCM every single week.
His build up in the Orton/Cena feud was brilliant, but now just look at him. It's quite pathetic.
Same was his WHC reign, there was no point in him being champion for a MONTH.
The WWE don't use him right. He has the potential to be amazing.

 

[UmagaFan2100]

To be completely honest, I don't like Shaun Michaels. At all. Which just goes to show you my level of disgust for Randy Orton, seeing as I've rooted for Michaels every time he and Orton had stepped into the ring. And I can see why he got himself intentionally disqualified (he didn't want to lose his WWE title), but still... cheapshots like that don't exactly endear you to the vast majority (in Orton's case) of the WWE RAW fan-nation who doesn't like you to begin with...

 

[Gabes]

The whole legend story line was lame. That felt forced, so they could give him that lame legend killer title. Its like when goldberg beat the game i was extremely mad that wwe gave into the goldberg is superman that WCW made popular. See how far that crap got wcw. Havent been happy with the way cena orton and batista have been forced. I feel bad for some of the wrestlers who had to work their way up to being popular. Least they worked for it.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Randy Orton is good, but not great. He puts on decent matches and he isn't terrible on the mic, so I would say he is one of the better superstars on RAW today. He needs more of a personality to become more entertaining, the Legend Killer gimmick is over IMO. Jericho said it best last night on RAW about Orton being boring and monotonous because he doesn't do anything to stick out from the rest of the superstars. I did like the segments that he did during the "Passing of the Torch" promos, I found it quite funny(especially when he stopped his speech to RKO Hardcore Holly lol), it reminded me when he was giving his Randy Reports on his arm recovery that he did in 2003. I don't think he will have the WWE title for very long because I could see Vince getting bored of him being champion and also for the fact that Orton is on the deep-end when it comes to steroids.

 

[HBK-aholic]

I don't like Orton personally, but at the moment, I'm happy with anyone that is a replacement of Cena.
As a wrestler, he's good. Not great, but good. He does have quite a few matches where I think he deserves to be classed as worthy of beating certain people. But when I come to him being Raw's top heel, it bewilders me.
Anyone agree that Shawn Michaels is so much better as heel than babyface? And can you imagine him in Orton's position? He's arguably one of the best heels the WWE has ever had.
Orton is ok, but at the moment, he seems to be carrying the 'heel' wagon on his own. There are other heels, but Orton just seems to be pushed as teh biggest. But really, he isn't. I know Orton isn't exactly young, but I still think he can get better, and one day he will be able to pull off Raw's top heel. He just shouldn't be doing it himself right now.

 

[Luke-E]

Randy Orton is the biggest ass clown in the WWE. He is ungreatful, an ass to the fans most the time and full of him self.
After some of the things i have read about him over the internet i would not try and talk to him because he would either brush you off or just not bother with you.

A WWE champion, face or heel should take him to talk to fans if they want only 5 mins of there time not treat them like shit. As for his in ring skill, he is nothing great. He has a good drop kick, a cool finisher and few other moves but on the whole, he is a boring wrestler. Y2J hit the nail on the head when he used the flat voice tone to mock Randy, his promos are far from great and get boring fast.
Do i think Orton would be a main eventer if he had not become friends with Hunter and Flair in the start, no i don't. If WWE was to lose Orton i dont think he would be a great loss.