Randy Orton: Bit Crap Really

[Y 2 Jake]

Anybody agree. He's not a bad wrestler. And he can cut an ok promo. But like Carlito he's so unspectacular sometimes I think ''Why is he Raw's top heel''. It's not like he frequebtly has amazing matches. He has good matches. But I'd have to say he's only ever had one great match. And that was a gimmick match. And it's debatable as to weather that's great. Take away the thumb tac spot and is it just a good hardcore match?

As for promos the guy is totally monotone. He never shows any change in his voice. Randys anger is the same as his mildly disgruntled. It's also pretty similar to his happy. Emoting is not his strong point. His promos are just to the point. When he retires what will he be known for? Not his wrestling or his mic skills, thats for sure.

He'll probably be know for his Legend Killer gimmick. Problem with that is that he's never defeated or won feuds with the big names like Hogan, Austin or Taker. So will that even go down as one of the greates gimmicks of all time? I don't think so.

 

[ACTAFOOL]

well its a great gimmick but WWE just didnt use it right IMO, they did an ok job but could've done better, for example orton should've come out and destroyed austin last raw, it would be something different, and orton would get more heat than ever

hogan should've put orton over

but as to his skills, i agree man, i never understood why the hell the IWC loves him so much, cena is 100x more talented than orton, i really dont understand why WWE is pushing this guy, hes average at everything, like u said, his promos has no emotion, its just boring really, his mic skills are bad cuz he also cant put any emotion on the mic, and his in ring work is awful... really awful... he cant run for more than 5 min, i dont know if thats creatives fault or his own, but i dont care, him in ring makes me fall asleep.. and im not exagerating.. many times hes made me miss the main event, i barley made it through SS awake...i hope after he loses the belt and becomes a paper champ for the second time they either fire him or send him to ECW... maybe cm punk and burke could teach him some stuff...

 

[tap-out]

As for promos the guy is totally monotone. He never shows any change in his voice. Randys anger is the same as his mildly disgruntled. It's also pretty similar to his happy. Emoting is not his strong point. His promos are just to the point. When he retires what will he be known for? Not his wrestling or his mic skills, thats for sure.

Jake i totally agree he really isn't that great of a top notch heel because he can't turn it up a notch and get psyched or craze like he needs to. Take Cena....i know everyone hates hime, but when he gets into a match where the odds are stacked or something happens he gets that psyched look and persona and changes per say. Orton just looks too stiff a a character.

I think when it comes to a character, Orton is mediocre at best because of this. I really thought putting the strap on him would have changed him a bit.

 

[masterpiece88]

nobody in wrestling is good anymore wrestling is dying the people who watch it are people who like men on men or lil kids it was good in the early and late 90s now its dead

 

[BrooklynBuc]

I love the change in tune for Randy Orton now. First people are dying to see this guy as the WWE Champion, anointing him the second coming of Ric Flair and Ted Dibiase in terms of great heels, and just now you're noticing he's boring?! Let's face it: Orton is a 3rd generation superstar riding his laurels and getting by on athleticism. That's it. Cena was good because every match he had was a major event. Cena vs. Lashley, Cena vs. Khali, Cena vs. Michaels, Cena vs. Edge. (so the quality of opponents wasn't always top-notch; name one champion who always had top-notch opponents. Remember that Hogan once feuded with Tiny Lister aka Zeus, a guy who wasn't even a wrestler) Does anyone really care about Jeff Hardy vs. Randy Orton? Even Shawn Michaels vs. Randy Orton seems recycled.(because it is; didn't these two have a feud last year?!) Where's the real build-up? All we're getting is D-X promos and restrictions for the match itself. Does anyone really want to watch it? I really don't care honestly.

If Kennedy used the RKO instead of the Green Bay Plunge or the Kenton Bomb (have some originality Ken please) instead of Orton, he'd be a much more interesting WWE champion. All that Orton has going for him is his father, his finisher (a copy but still effective) and his gimmick of facing legends that sell for him.(Undertaker, Foley, Flair, etc.) Otherwise he'd be competing for Cruiserweight title on Smackdown using the Overdrive as a finisher still.

 

[theoptimusman]

well after that mighty important comment by masterpiece

I Believe Orton Is Being Limited By WWE , Anytime He Is Put In Good Spots He Makes The Absolute Most Of It......Rated RKO TIMES , BENOIT AND HIM MATCH , CHASING TRIPLE H IN 04 , CENA HIM THE PAST MONTHS......I REALLY THINK ITS NOT ENOUGH TIME ON The SHOW To Show WHAT HES MADE OF AND WHAT HE CAN DO , CAUSE WHEN HE GETS IT , HE SHOWS IT.

They Are so wrapped up with hhh and hbks RETURN.....but they dont understand that everyone wantts new people not the same old.......there are so many great possible feuds but they wont happen cause guys like trips n hbk are there holding onto what was once theres.......i say build around cena orton edge hardy kennedy and the load of new great talent they have, but instead hold back on great ideas because they have to make room for the oldies.......

The WWE Simply Must Move On.....

 

[ACTAFOOL]

I love the change in tune for Randy Orton now. First people are dying to see this guy as the WWE Champion, anointing him the second coming of Ric Flair and Ted Dibiase in terms of great heels, and just now you're noticing he's boring?! Let's face it: Orton is a 3rd generation superstar riding his laurels and getting by on athleticism. That's it. Cena was good because every match he had was a major event. Cena vs. Lashley, Cena vs. Khali, Cena vs. Michaels, Cena vs. Edge. (so the quality of opponents wasn't always top-notch; name one champion who always had top-notch opponents. Remember that Hogan once feuded with Tiny Lister aka Zeus, a guy who wasn't even a wrestler) Does anyone really care about Jeff Hardy vs. Randy Orton? Even Shawn Michaels vs. Randy Orton seems recycled.(because it is; didn't these two have a feud last year?!) Where's the real build-up? All we're getting is D-X promos and restrictions for the match itself. Does anyone really want to watch it? I really don't care honestly.

If Kennedy used the RKO instead of the Green Bay Plunge or the Kenton Bomb (have some originality Ken please) instead of Orton, he'd be a much more interesting WWE champion. All that Orton has going for him is his father, his finisher (a copy but still effective) and his gimmick of facing legends that sell for him.(Undertaker, Foley, Flair, etc.) Otherwise he'd be competing for Cruiserweight title on Smackdown using the Overdrive as a finisher still.

well for the record i never wanted him to be champ... even during the cena feud, wich btw is so overrated IMO... and i agree, i really dont give a shit about this feud with michaels.. why arent they pushing the angle that orton took HBK out? why not put some emotion in the damn feud? all they are doing is making orton get knocked out everytime he sees HBK.. and what kind of stupid rule is that where HBK cant use his finisher? can orton look even weaker as champ? i think that was rock bottom for him lol

as for kennedy i was all for him a few months ago, but for some reason since his suspension hes been off latley, actually since hes been on raw he hasnt been as impressive as he was on SD IMO.. i dont know why... his matches are botched a lot, maybe its cuz he hasnt gotten used to RAW yet, or he just doesnt fit there, i think b4 moving him to raw he should've been WHC, anyway his in ring is getting worse but at least he has much more charisma and cuts way better promos then orton...

 

[Eternal Dragon]

Ever since Randy's feud with John ended I really couldn't care less about him. Half the time I can't even pay attention to his matches or promos because they bore me. I don't think Randy is as good a heel as people make him out to be. Maybe it's because what made him famous- being a "Legend Killer" doesn't really apply to him as a world champion.

Randy's only good in small doses. When we start seeing him all the time you notice the holes in his gimmick, his character, his mic skills, etc, etc.

Flames Out
Dragon

 

[supremegmn86]

I disagree with orton not having any good matches. I think his match with Benoit( are we allowed to use his name? lol) at summerslam 04 was great. Also hi smatch with Cena at summerslam 07 as well as others. His mic skills are pretty average, but c'mon whose mic skills are all that anyway nowadays?( don't say Kennedy bcuz being able to say your last name twice is not skills) I'm an orton fan..he's exactly how my character would be as a wrestler...cocky as hell and with a list of achievements to back it up.

 

[Mz-HoLLiE]

i think orton is great but he is just limited atm but he has had some great matches eg. summerslam 04. i think he will be the next HHH or ric flair but when he is less limited. he plays his character well and cuts good promos. he knows how to react to the fans and is a great champ. although wwe hasn't given him the best storyline right now. the reason he hasnt beaten people like hulk hogan and stone cold is because they want the to always be remembered in the business as the best, because occasionaly they come to wwe. i think orton has a really bright future in the wwe and for good reasons not just because of who is father is. i just think he needs a better storyline, but he does have what it takes to be great!

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

I think its a very complicated issue. Orton was, in my opinion, the best suited to take the title from Cena (who I thought should've lost it a long time before that, but not to Khali, Lashley, or Umaga), but the way they did it was a bit of a sham. Having him lose the belt almost immediately took away a lot of his credibility, as well as how he's been performing lately. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm ALLLLLLLL in favor of giving the title to HBK, as I've been wanting that for a long while, but having Shawn completely dominate Orton every week makes him look like a weak champion. One of the main reasons that I think Orton doesn't look good right now is that he doesn't have a thick enough story to work with. This is essentially HBK's story, not Orton's, so Orton isn't the focal point. Orton works best as a heel who is getting the upper hand on someone, which is what was going on with Cena before the injury, and he would've came out of that feud looking much better if he'd have won the first or second match to follow through with the impression he was making.

Could he be a credible champ? I think so. He isn't right now, though. Frankly, I'd love to see him lose the title to HBK at the Royal Rumble or Survivor Series, have Kennedy win the rumble, lose to HBK at Wrestlemania, but then take the belt from Michaels afterwards. Kennedy would be a more interesting draw as the WWE champ than Orton is, and in the meantime, Orton can feud with someone like Lashley to give them both something to sink their teeth into.

 

[hbk&triple h]

Thank you.

I really don't think he is all that bad but I don't see what a lot of people see in him. his in-ring skills are ok at best.

He lacks a lot of charisma to me.

His mic skills arent all that great either. Where is the emotion? Where is the commitment and passion?

He has had how many memorable matches? Just about none.

Great Matches? About one.

The guy is a bit overrated and I think he is still here only because of his father.

He has nothing to be remembered for.

Overall the guy just needs to grow and improve.He still wrestles and talks as if hes a beginner.

 

[brimike3]

Undertaker Orton Hell in a Cell 2005 Armageddon= good match
SummerSlam World Title win vs B***it= good match. The psychology was that Orton won because of one slip up by B***it.
Wrestlemania XX five man tag= It's tough to have a good 5 man match on a near perfect card
Orton vs Foley= Backlash "Deathmatch". Orton took thumb tacks and a Barbwire bat to the grams.
Wrestlemania 22= World title triple threat. They had 10 minutes to put together the most important match of Rey's career
No way 2006 Orton vs Rey for Rey's title shot= Great match.
Unforgiven 2006 Orton vs Carlito= Nobody likes Carlito, but if you watch the finish...even if Carlito does most of the work, it's awesome..

He sells better than Cena ever did...that's for sure...
Oh and I forgot Royal Rumble 2005 vs HHH for the World title

If you aren't big on psychology and ring work, then sure you'll hate him...
But you are supposed to. That's why he's a bad guy.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Undertaker Orton Hell in a Cell 2005 Armageddon= good match

It was good. Not great. Also not memorable.

SummerSlam World Title win vs B***it= good match. The psychology was that Orton won because of one slip up by B***it.

It was good. Not great. Memorable for the Evolution turn the night after.

Wrestlemania XX five man tag= It's tough to have a good 5 man match on a near perfect card

Comedy match on an average card.

Orton vs Foley= Backlash "Deathmatch". Orton took thumb tacks and a Barbwire bat to the grams.

Yeah it's good.

Wrestlemania 22= World title triple threat. They had 10 minutes to put together the most important match of Rey's career

Would have been good if it was longer than 8 minutes. This is neither good nor bad. Just pointless.

No way 2006 Orton vs Rey for Rey's title shot= Great match.

Good match. Not great.

Unforgiven 2006 Orton vs Carlito= Nobody likes Carlito, but if you watch the finish...even if Carlito does most of the work, it's awesome..

Meh.

He sells better than Cena ever did...that's for sure...

Anybody can sell better than Cena. But being bad at selling is unimportant if you have the tools elsewhere.

Oh and I forgot Royal Rumble 2005 vs HHH for the World title

It's good.


Like I said. Lots of good matches. But no great ones. And none of those matches are at all memorable. If they weren't so recent then I'd struggle to remember what shows the majority of them were on.

 

[pettit]

I think its really funny how when he was number 1 contender 4 cenas title every1 was saying how great he was and how much of a fabulous champ he would be... What is doin now??? Every1 seems 2 be bagging him out!!! lol

But onto topic, i rekon he is overated... I mean yeh he has had some fairly good matches, stated above ^^^^^^^^^, but as jake pointed out, none of them werent that memerable!!!

His mic skills are ok in my opinion tho... He plays the heel role 2 perfection, i dnt think any1 can argue with that...

Also, his backstage attitude seems 2 be a bit of a problem, but mabye its changed coz no reports have come out about problems with him these days.....

 

[cramchur]

The blame goes to wwe's creative team for not booking Orton strongly enough, building so much hype around Dx's one night re-union and making HBK & HHH look so strong can only be disadvantageous for the WWE champ. Still think the RKO is one of the best finishers in wrestling and that Orton is talented. Probably should have given more time to build Orton's credibility as a top notch wrestler. Look at Samoa Joe, VRusso has understood that he is the future of pro wrestling and is making sure that he gets to showcase his skills at every PPV. Wise decision.

 

[Nin]

I think the word that best sums up Orton is unconvincing. He's fairly smooth in the ring but thats all you could say. On the mic... well it's not good.

 

[Rusty]

Orton is talented on doubt about it, but how can someone honestly say he is better than Cena because he is not. Cena is better than Orton at almost if not every single way for example Cena > Orton on the mic, in the ring, backstage attitude AND AT SELLING (merchandise and injuries).

 

[RandyKO]

Randy Orton is the top heel atm in RAW. If Vince McMahon and the rest of WWE wasn't up HBK's and HHH's asses, they would realise they are not going to be in the business forever and I think they will realise that when they both break their necks and can never wrestle again.
I couldn't care less about DX returning, if all it is going to do is bury their WWE Champion. They wouldn't do it to Cena, why do it to Randy.
Randy is good in the ring and good on the mic. Not the best, but is enough to make him the top heel in WWE and a good Champion.
I hate Vince McMahon and the WWE.
Randy Orton was fantastic against Cena and just cause Triple H (the owners son in law) and HBK (ooo legend big deal) is back, they are making him SHIT!

 

[psykohurricane]

I've been saying it for month now thaT Randy ORton would make a terrible champion but the majority would always disagree with me singing randy Orton's praises. Now we are one month into is title reign and look how bad of a champion Orton has become. Personally, i never cared for the guy, he lacks charisma and isn'T that good on the mike. Sure he had a couple of great match but even then, you got to credit his opponent for making look good because he can't do it on is on. I could blame the writing staff for what happening to him but this would just be a excuse because if Randy Orton was that good, he would be able to make even to worst scenerion look good. Orton isn't world champion material and will never be. He had the chance twice and all he as proven is the he can't perform at that level. I would suggest to Randy Orton to first take some acting Lesson so that he could have more charisma and be less boring in the ring. Secondly, be able to cope with the fact that he's not main event material because as soon as he drop the title, i'm sure that he will never get it back because the experiment as fell big time.

 

[rkopaton]

It used to be Cena hating but now its Orton hating, you people just look for something to moan about, I think he is AMAZING at his heel role and shows no emotion becuase he isn't supposed to and he obviously has many of you fooledbecause he is supposed to be like that. His promo skills aren't quite like Cena, no. he has the hatred of many fans which he is supposed to have and thats more than you can say for Cena. least Orton gets the correct reaction. He has looked weak since HBK came back and agree that he works best as the star being on top most of the time.

 

[Greenlight13]

Randy's strength IS the legend killer gimmick, i dont think anyone could have done it as well as him, fair enough he hasnt killed THAT many legit legends, but it's the way he does it, the cold stare, the stalking his opponent, the vicious attacks, the uncaring attitude, he does it so well. And of course the RKO gives him that Sweet Chin Music style move that he can hit at literally any point in a match and it's over, gives him an element of danger. I miss his top rope moves, but his dropkick is pinpoint, has that backbreaker move that is great, in my opinion all he needs is a slightly larger moveset and as you have all said, some more emotion in his promos, he clearly knows exactly what to do in a match, how to react, what to do next, just a few more moves.

 

[fresh]

i dont know about you guys but the randy orton of 2003- 2005 is my favorite time period of all time, that was why people started to love the guy. his evolution days were great, ic champ for 7 months putting on phenominal matches with rvd, shelton benjamin, edge, foley and many others. He impressed in his 1st elimination chamber in 2003..before gettin destroyed by goldberg(who didnt) and when he won the world title against benoit in a 4.5 star match at the least at summerslam 04, it was great. he brok away from evolution lost the title to hhh and fueded with him which was also a great then he moved on to the undertaker and pulled off pretty good matches.

and then theres 06-07 randy orton, his rated rko thing was pretty nicee but now hes not the same legend killer, he used to be in phenominal shape and now he doesnt look like da same orton, looks like hes been juicing a little bit. hes had nice matches against edge and..................yea cant think any others either. hes pretty boring on the mic compared to his promos while he was intercontinental champ and when he was a face. and his iin ring work has become a little less than what it was 2 or 3 years ago. i miss the old orton

 

[Slyfox696]

Let's face it: Orton is a 3rd generation superstar riding his laurels and getting by on athleticism.

I'm not a big fan of Orton either, but this is unfair. Orton has an amazing ability to draw heat from crowds, and an uncanny talent of making crowds care about him. Even when going through that long losing streak of 2006, and being made to look like Kurt Angle's bitch, Orton still got reactions from fans. I don't know what it is, but there is something about him that makes fans react to him.

There's no denying Orton has potential. Unlike so many of today's wrestlers, he understands the concept of pyschology and storytelling, and doesn't try to shove as many moves into one match as he can. He's a real throwback style wrestler. He's also still very young. He's only 27 or 28 years old, and hasn't even entered the prime years of his wrestling career yet. Remember, Hogan didn't win his first WWF championship until age 30, Hart was 35, Austin was 34. Orton still has plenty of time to season up and prove he's worthy of the booking.

I'm not a big fan of Orton, but I can certainly understand what the WWE sees in him.

everything everyone is saying can all be contributing to terrible booking, and the fact Mcmahon has his head up HHH and can't like someone take the spotlight

How is this possible? HHH has barely been on Raw since the last Unforgiven. It's been Shawn Michaels who's received the great booking.

And, I have to believe they are going somewhere with this, other than just a "no SCM match".

 

[Hdog684]

I'm not a big fan of Orton either, but this is unfair. Orton has an amazing ability to draw heat from crowds, and an uncanny talent of making crowds care about him. Even when going through that long losing streak of 2006, and being made to look like Kurt Angle's bitch, Orton still got reactions from fans. I don't know what it is, but there is something about him that makes fans react to him.

The only reaction I've seen from the crowd is "Hey let's see what the score is on Monday Night Football" or "Finally a chance to go the bathroom." The live crowds are always dead when he's on the mic or in the ring and the direct connection between his air time and Raw's ratings speaks for itsself.

And, I have to believe they are going somewhere with this, other than just a "no SCM match".

Well, there's the other half of the stipulation that everybody's ignoring for some reason...HBK can't use his finisher, BUT if Orton gets DQed he loses the title.