The posts I read sure weren't.
So you are saying that my posts are worth reading?
By even thinking Ric Flair can hold a candle to Hulk Hogan. That alone is enough to make the dead rise.
Well then I guess with the dead rising, we could have a remake of the Thriller video right here and now, because Flair can definately hold a candle to Hogan.
...Without money, no company can make it for more than a minute. Hogan made more money than anyone else has ever made in the world..For 25-30 years, he drew in HUGE amounts of money. Flair drew well for about 10 years, and no where near the amount Hogan drew.
See this is what gets me down, right here. We are fans, or supposed to be fans, but yet we sit here and talk about who made more money, ratings, buyrates, and what have you. When it is us that pays our hard earned money to watch it. We shouldn't worry ourselves with who drew more and stuff like that, we should just enjoy the product. So yea, Hogan is the biggest draw in the history of Professional Wrestling, but for me, Flair was more entertaining and a lot better to watch in the ring.
He did draw well, but not nearly as much as Hogan did. Hogan made an entire company, twice. Flair hardly made one, ever.
Hogan couldn't do it by himself. He had help. The genius that is Vince McMahon and the(I hate to say it) genius that was Eric Bischoff is what gave Hogan his platform, plus he had a hell of a supporting cast to work with in both companies.
This is completely subjective. You can be a huge Flair mark, by all means. Which will obviously blind you to the greatness that is Hulk Hogan. But the millions that watched Hulk Hogan on the tele week in, and week out, the sold out crouds day in and day out. A record setting attendence number yet to be broken to this day. That is all Hulk Hogan. Flair, drew thousands, maybe in hundreds of thousands. Hogan drew millions, and millions. Seeing as how he was purely based on character, and talking (Obviously the fans didn't come to see his wrestling skills, which started the Hogan can't wrestle myth). I think that means to me, hes damn good on the mic.
Trust me I am nobody's mark(except 'Taker), but I am not going to have a debate about the best of all time and not defend who I believe that title should go to. I was a Hulkamaniac, so long ago. I loved to watch Hogan, but when I got older and started doing my research, I learned his limitations(in ring ability) and when I started really paying attention to Flair and watching his old matches, I would say, "My god that man can wrestle, talk, entertain just as good if not better than Hogan." It is a matter of wrong place wrong time for Flair. BTW, he is the one that kept NWA/WCW going for the longest time, hell he even owned their damn title belts.
Because interviewers don't kiss the ass of whomever they're interviewing anymore and are obviously omniscient beings.
Not that one. You need to go to Youtube and watch some of those Off the Record interviews, he really speaks his mind to the wrestlers that he interviews(except Bret Hart, because that show is in Canada and he has his head up Hart's ass).
Heh, Flair was good in the ring. Yes, but I say Hogan is the most colorful, and entertaining person ever in the ring. Its entirely subjective, and nothing you say will persuade me and nothing I say will persuade you otherwise.
Hogan was colorful and entertaining, but so was Flair. How Flair always begged them to stop, get thrown off the top rope, get beat down in the corner and then come out and fall on his face. Any man that can get a pop from falling on their face as to be good.
Hogan made Sting the star that he is today. People wouldn't be saying Sting is the greatest professional wrestler ever, had he not had his intense fued with Hogan. The same intense fued that marked him down in wrestling history, and makes him one of the most recognisable wrestlers ever.
Sting didn't need Hogan to be remembered like he is today. Sting was already such a big name in WCW that he could have changed his gimmick to the crow character and he still would have been just as popular. That same story would have worked with any heel. BTW, Sting wouldn't have even been in that position if it weren't for Flair.
But it didn't make Sting the Sting we know, and love. Hogan did that.
Sting made Sting into what we remember(the crow character) Hogan just happened to be his opponent. I dare say, Sting helped keep Hogan relevant at that time period as he really didn't have anyone else to face in the company until Goldberg came along.
It didn't live up to the hype. Nothing lives up to the hype anymore. Promoters say "best match ever" when sometimes, you can only one-up certain matches so many times.
I will admit that there was a lot of hype to live up to in that match, but when you have two of the greatest ever in the match, it should have been golden. HBK/'Taker lived up to the hype, I dare say, they surpassed the hype.
I can't watch any videos, becuase my computer currently has 0 bytes of space. Something I have no clue how to fix, without 500$. I believe he said such a thing, from your word alone. While Flair made him a big star, Hogan is what made him rememorable. The best fued Sting ever had, was with Hogan, without that fued, Sting would have went down as a tier 3 wrestler, instead of the tier 2 wrestler he is.
His feud with Hogan will be remembered as one of the greatest feuds ever, but you can't deny that Flair is the one that put him on the map to be in that position with Hogan.
I've seen it, and I agree. They both seemed to have had a very bad night during that match. But I was still very entertained by it. It just wasn't "The Best Match Ever" as it was promoted to be.
It could have been though. When you are a professional, you don't just have a bad night on what could be the greatest match up ever. Do you think HBK would have went in there and just had a bad night?
Heh, but that doesn't mean Flair made Rhodes, by any means. The two elevated eachother, but Rhodes was a star, long before Flair ever was. When Flair was a star, not after Rhodes put him over for his first World Heavyweight title, but his second, after Race put him over.
Agreed. When you tell the Rhodes story you can't leave Flair out, but when you tell the Flair story, you can't leave Rhodes out. So yea, they owe each other alot.
This still doesn't mean Flair made Race. People have a strange obsession with Ric Flair, becuase the WWE has shoved him down our throats for the past decade as being the greatest professional wrestler alive. Flair, would be just a name just like Race, Rhodes, Steamboat. Had they not done such a thing. No one will deny the amazing matches these guys had inside that ring. But, they still didn't make nearly as much money as Hogan did, and thats a problem. Seeing as how the entire business is judged and based of money.
I don't think Race could say that if it wasn't for my matches with Flair I would still be as good. I think that Flair could have done without Race and still be the man.
Once again, these two made eachother. You can't say Flair made this guy, because Steamboat helped make Flair too. During their 2,000 diffrent wrestling matches Steamboat obviously helped Flair, just as much as Flair helped Steamboat.
By the time of their great feud, Flair had already proven himself to be The Man, Steamboat was just a midcarder, but it was Flair that elevated him to ME status and gave him his first title. Steamboat owes alot to Flair and again, Flair would still be great without Steamboat, but Steamboat would just have been one of those guys.
Doesn't matter. Be it a car crash that stopped his career, or a broken neck from a piledriver. The guy never made it huge, so his name doesn't matter.
I think his name does matter. He was another guy that Flair made famous. Whether it was for a short while or a long while, Flair made this guy famous.
Being with Flair didn't make him a main eventor. Hell, the guy was never a main eventor. He held one world title that actually mattered. ONE.
He is still remembered though. You ask the average wrestling fan, who knows some history, but not alot of it, who Tully Blanchord is and 9 times out of 10 they will say, "Wasn't he in the Four Horsmen with Ric Flair?"
Heh, who gives a shit? He never held the title that counts. Thus you can't really consider him a main eventor, that Flair "made"
He was still big by association with Flair.
He become huge from Rhodes too. Lost steam when he went to Blanchard, and picked up where he left off with The Four horseman. If memory serves correctly.
But he is remembered, not for his service with Rhodes, but for his service with the Four Horsemen.
These guys do owe a lot to Ric Flair, but he certainly didn't "Create" or "Make" their careers. They may have had great matches with one another, and each and everyone of the names mentioned are great inside the squared circle. But overall, Flair helped them, just as much as they helped him.
Yes Flair did elevate their careers, but I don't think that it could be the other way around. Back in the day, Flair was like HBK, he could go out and have a great match with anybody. So those names could be totally different and put them up against Flair back then, you would get the same result, a better performer after their encounter with Flair.
Because when you make companies, thats better than making wrestlers.
If he made the companies, why couldn't he do what was in the companies' best interest and make future stars? I'm sure that would have helped. That is where WCW went wrong. They kept the same old stars on top all the time and it got old. The only person that we can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that Hogan made huge is Goldberg.
Once again, Hogan made millions for 25-30 years. Austin made millions for less than a decade. I'm positive, Hogan drew more than Austin did overall, than Austin did for his less than a decade of making millions. Austin may have broken records such as, most money made in a year, most money made in a day, week, month, whatever. But seeing as how Hogan made millions for DECADES, the math just wouldn't add up to Austin making more overall than Hogan did.
Breaking Hogan's records has to stand for something. Alas you are right, however, Hogan did accumilate more money over a longer period of time. Longevity is something that Hogan had, but Flair had aswell.
I don't think he would. Austin played off of The Mcmahon character. After so long that would have gotten stale, and Austin wouldn't have anything to really do.
Austin remained popular even after his saga with McMahon was over. He could come back right now and wrestle a full schedule and he would be the top draw in the company.
Hogan was more entertaining doing this, than Flair was, doing whatever it was he was doing on the mic. Numbers and ratings prove you otherwise.
I find Flair more entertaining on the mic, but you are right numbers and ratings don't lie. However, the first Clash of the Champions was the highest rated televised wrestling event and guess who headlined it........Flair and Sting.
Which is all that matter.
If they were making you money yes, but from a fans stand point, we should be argueing this on their abilities and Flair seemed to have more than Hogan.
Using the word if in a debate, automatically implies it didn't happen. So don't use it as evidence to prove me incorrectly.
Last I checked this is a debate. I'm not here to prove you or anyone else wrong on anything(unless you flat out make a statement that is just false, like Hogan made Sting). I am here just to get my point across and we just so happen to have different views on the matter.
