Please don't give the World Title to Rey or Batista!

[TheBestThereEverWillBe]

I'm curious. does anyone really believe that Batista or Rey have the credibility to be a good champion on Smackdown!? Don't get me wrong, Batista shows some dominance in the ring and Rey is one of the best performers in the E but both of their mic skills just bring them down a knotch or two. Like i said, Rey is one of the best in the ring, but he just sounds like a little boy on the mic. Batista's mic skills, just dont exist and his in ring ability is to stale. so what do you think, do you thinkg either of these 2 have what it takes to carry a GOOD and LONG title reign?

 

[rko102]

As much as I understand where you're coming from in this thread, I have to disagree about one thing. Batista's in ring ability is not stale lately; this heel turn sparked something in him that I personally don't believe we've seen since his days in Evolution, and he's one of the reasons I find Smackdown to be the A show lately. I want to see him head into Mania with the title, so I'm hoping for him to take it off Taker at the Rumble, which, based on some reports I've heard is the plan as of right now. As for Rey Mysterio, I agree with you completely. He sounds like a little kid when he talks, and he's too small to be World Champion. I firmly believe he got the belt in 2006 as a one-time thing, and I really hope it doesn't happen again.

 

[jayteeERA]

I would love to see batista as a heel champion hopefully it would be a good reign. Rey on the other hand is one of the best performance on smackdown. So i say give the title to him too. Rey been sounded the same for years. If him sounding like a kid was a problem then wwe wouldn't never made him a champion in 06. As long as Rey don't get squash the last time he had the belt i see him as a good champion. Both batista & Rey would be good for the title.

 

[Sasori]

Ughh, what?

Mic Skills huh? Undertaker barely ever speaks on the mic, and doesn't always steal the show, nor does he always lay people out. But he's not a credible world champion? Rey would be 10X better than 'Taker as world champ. 'Taker is old and should not be the top champ. And Rey is more likely to put over younger guys like Morrison and Ziggler. 'Taker is still that force to reckon with. And sometimes it just isn't logical to put out UT with a Starship Pain or a Zig-Zag. As for Batista, I'm gonna say this once and only once, even Batista would be a better world champ than 'Taker. I think he can put people over too. I dont think there much left to say. If anything I want to see Rey take the belt of 'Taker, even though I'm a bigger Undertaker fan.

 

[The Roid Rage]

I'm curious. does anyone really believe that Batista or Rey have the credibility to be a good champion on Smackdown!? Don't get me wrong, Batista shows some dominance in the ring and Rey is one of the best performers in the E but both of their mic skills just bring them down a knotch or two. Like i said, Rey is one of the best in the ring, but he just sounds like a little boy on the mic. Batista's mic skills, just dont exist and his in ring ability is to stale. so what do you think, do you thinkg either of these 2 have what it takes to carry a GOOD and LONG title reign?

I think that Batista is the better of the two to carry the World Heavyweight Championship. I personally don't think there is any question about that either. He's been champion on more than one occasion on more than one show. Aside from his injuries his championship reigns, no matter how they ended were credible as well. You can always believe Batista as champion, it's no stretch of the imagination. He's big, he's mean, he's nasty, he wants to kick your ass our of your mouth, and he doesn't feel bad about it.

Rey Mysterio on the other hand, is NOT what I would call a " World Heavyweight Champion". Yes yes I know, greatest little man of all time sure sure, not a Heavyweight. There is just something about that, that really errks me. Part of the stipulations to being the World Heavyweight Champion is that you weight enough to be in that division. So how does a 185lb blown up luchador qualify as a legit heavyweight? 5' 5'' at that? That's just a little disrespectful I think. With him it is the complete opposite situation as Batista. I have to really really use my imagination, and be really open minded to take Mysterio seriously as a heavyweight contender. His 1 WHC reign was a joke as well. How do you have this guy come out right after winning the title, to be absolutely squashed by The Great Khail !!!??? That's ridiculous as is the notion of Rey taking the WHC away from the Undertaker or all people.


The Mic skills thing is half right I'd say, and I bet you can guess which part I am going to say is right! That's right, the Rey Mysterio argument. Yes he is atrocious on the mic, but everyone seems to overlook it for the most part with him. Everyone continues to be enchanted by Rey Mysterio. Batista on the other hand, I think has become pretty solid on the stick. I think being a heel right now compliments his mic work much better too. That seems to work for his character much better than trying to be a face, I think the heel role comes more naturally. All in all he has portrayed exactly what he was supposed to portray in his commentaries, which means he has been doing good on the mic. It's when your not clear what the hell their intentions are, or if they are serious or not, that the person is doing poorly. More often than not I think that is the case with Mysterio, in my eyes at least, giving Batista the edge in this category.


Like most of these Superstars, Batista mostly faces the same criticisms over and over. The most popular probably being his ring work. I think this argument is somewhat unfair for Batista. I just have to ask, what more could you expect from a guy with that kind of character and build? He's not build for mechanics and technical wrestling, he's build for power and aggression. He style reflects that perfectly, which is why I think he is actually pretty damn good. I don't want to see a big muscle bound guy trying to be too slick, that's not what that style is about. It's about hard hitting, heavy impact moves. That is what he does, and he manages to pull it off well with everyone he faces.

Rey to me is impressive, but against guys more in league with him. I'm sorry, but I don't care how fast or acrobatic his style is I am not going to believe that it'll just be too much for the Undertaker, or Batista, or any of the other true heavyweights. He is a great high flyer, nothing I say can take away from that. I personally liked him much more back in the old WCW days, but that is a time dead and gone. Now days, he seems more like an attraction for the kids. He has no business fighting for the top title. Give him anything else you want, U.S. title, I.C. title, Tag Titles, or even bring back the cruiserweight title just for him, but keep him out of that Heavyweight division.

I'm not all too sure that Undertaker is quite that ready to give up the title anyways. I wouldn't be surprised if he held on to it past Wrestlemania. I know there has been a lot of speculation and rumor about the Wrestlemania plans but it is just that, speculation and rumor. There's no telling what is going to happen, but for the moment it doesn't really look to me like the Undertaker is ready to part ways with his Heavyweight title.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I wouldn't mind giving the title to either Batista or Rey. The thing that was wrong about Rey's first reign was that you had big guys like Henry, Khali, and JBL. You don't really have it this time around with Jericho, Punk, and Morrison. I think that if Rey won the title, he can certainly feud with those wrestlers for a good period of time and work out well. I love Batista much better as a heel because his wrestling psychology has changed and seems to be more confident on the mic. I would rather have Rey win it than Batista because there are more better heels than there are faces.

 

[Proof]

Rey to me is impressive, but against guys more in league with him. I'm sorry, but I don't care how fast or acrobatic his style is I am not going to believe that it'll just be too much for the Undertaker, or Batista, or any of the other true heavyweights. He is a great high flyer, nothing I say can take away from that. I personally liked him much more back in the old WCW days, but that is a time dead and gone. Now days, he seems more like an attraction for the kids. He has no business fighting for the top title. Give him anything else you want, U.S. title, I.C. title, Tag Titles, or even bring back the cruiserweight title just for him, but keep him out of that Heavyweight division.

How can you say that Rey isn't believable when we have a freaking cheesy ZOMBIE (that can barely walk), that shoots lightening bolts and childish stuff like that, as the world champ? That's just pure hypocrisy. I don't know why you think it's necessary to keep kayfabe alive..when Vince and every other wrestler has said to the public that wrestling is fake and it's only entertainment? Mysterio deserves another reign for being a hard worker in a FAKE show. Believability will mean nothing as long as we have guys like Hornswoggle winning matches, women giving birth to hands, The Undertaker walking around, and the wrestlers themselves telling us that their a show.

 

[Bernkastel]

I'm not really feeling Batista right now, despite his recent heel turn. I'd never thought I'd say this, but I enjoyed Batista better as a face. He just doesn't come across as intimidating as he's meant to be. Both Undertaker and Kane look twice as daunting, and they're both faces. I wouldn't enjoy having to sit though another Batista reign, especially not when he's less entertaining to watch now than when he was a 'boring' face.

Rey, on the other hand, may not exactly be the most credible looking of World Champions, but the man is damn entertaining to watch. He's the proverbial underdog, and the eternal good guy. Another Rey World Title reign may not be so bad if Rey Mysterio delivers the type of performances he's known for in the process.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Mic Skills huh? Undertaker barely ever speaks on the mic, and doesn't always steal the show, nor does he always lay people out.

Taker's lack of mic time is something of a negative. The WWE has marketed the Undertaker the past several years as the type of "mystical supernatural" guy that lets his actions speak for him most of the time. That's all well and good, but it can be a negative when you're a champion. However, to be fair, I find Taker much more compotent, confident and just overall better on the mic than either Rey or Batista. If nothing else, he does hold people's attention and keeps them interested and you never hear the smarks chanting "What?" during his promos. I will admit that Batista has improved and turning heel has been good for him.

But he's not a credible world champion? Rey would be 10X better than 'Taker as world champ. 'Taker is old and should not be the top champ.

I think Rey would have more credibility this time around. The whole thing with Eddie Guerrero is something that's going to dog Mysterio's first WHC run forever. Add onto that, he was routinely made to look weak as dishwater in matches against the likes of Mark Henry and the Great Khali. However, I disagree about Rey being a better champ than the Undertaker overall. Taker's reign hasn't been spectacular, but it hasn't been bad either. He's had some good matches while champ and has brought some much needed stability to the World Heavyweight Championship. In 2009, the WWE played hot potato with the WHC and WWE Championship throughout the year, so having a respected veteran have a good, lengthy run with a title can restore credibility to it. Taker might be older, but he can still deliver. As long as he can, I've got no problem with him being in the spot he's got.

 

[LitasRevenge79]

As much as I'm rooting for Rey in this drama story between him and Batista, I wouldn't mind seeing Batista win WHC. But that would seem so inopportune to have Undertaker retain title going into WM26. Granted there's still that small window left for him to lose, and as much as I like Rey now, I wouldn't mind seeing Batista as a heel champ for once and seeing what he could do. But then again, there are reports he's set to start working on some new movie. So my thought is that either Taker will retain or Rey will win. But one of two things, Taker will retain, and Shawn Michaels could win and challenge Taker for a title vs career match. Or Rey wins, and CM Punk comes into play and they have this supposed 'Hair vs Mask' match as WM26 that's rumored to be floating around the 'net. I think either one would be good, but I still would kinda prefer to see Batista as a heel champ to be quite honest even though his ring work has seemed a little subpar compared to what I know he's capable of.

 

[The Roid Rage]

How can you say that Rey isn't believable when we have a freaking cheesy ZOMBIE (that can barely walk), that shoots lightening bolts and childish stuff like that, as the world champ?

I can say that when the cheesy zombie you mention has been one of if not the most dominant competitors of the last 20 years, that's how. According to you he can barely walk, but this guy still flies over the top rope, walks the ropes, and is still in good enough shape to be every bit as convincing as he was 10 years ago at least. With the Undertaker there are more theatrics yes, but that is apart of the character. If he was 5' 5'' and 185 lbs I wouldn't but the hype, but he is still almost 7' 0'' tall and about 295 lbs or more. Look, it's like this: Size Matters, especially in the "HEAVYWEIGHT" division. Having a half pint spot monkey beating a character who is supposed to be a "Phenom" a "Deadman Walking" doesn't exactly come across as believable to me.

What I thought was believable was when Mysterio got squashed by The Great Khali just after winning the title. That was a shot at reality, showing us that size does indeed matter, and that Mysterio was not a credible champion. The truth is what happened there was as realistic as it gets, that is what really would have happened because he is too small to be a Heavyweight or World Champion. Would you be beating down the doors to see Jimmy Wang Yang win the World title? No. What about Evan Bourne? No. Why? Because you wouldn't believe it, it would be too far of a stretch for your imagination.

That's just pure hypocrisy.

That's funny, this guy talking to me about hypocrisy.

I don't know why you think it's necessary to keep kayfabe alive

I'm not talking about kayfabe but believe there is still an element of that around still, it has just changed. I was talking about common sense. The average viewer isn't going to believe Mighty Mouse can beat the Undertaker either, it's an insult to your intelligence. It should just be common sense that you would know, there was no real chance, hence it wouldn't make for a good match.

Tell me, would you believe Zach Gowen could beat the Undertaker or Batista too? Almost the same difference.

when Vince and every other wrestler has said to the public that wrestling is fake and it's only entertainment?

It still has to make some kind of sense. It still has to have some elements of realism to it.

Mysterio deserves another reign for being a hard worker in a FAKE show.

You could pick a name out of a hat, and find a hard worker, that means nothing.

Believability will mean nothing as long as we have guys like Hornswoggle winning matches, women giving birth to hands, The Undertaker walking around, and the wrestlers themselves telling us that their a show.

The ways they make Hornswoggle win are feasible though, it's always by some fluke which is why that works, it's just meant to be funny. The Mae Young hand thing was a product of the attitude era so I wouldn't chalk that up to much. And, you are grossly misrepresenting the Undertaker. We already know it's a show, but in order for it to be a good show, you have to have credible matches. Having Rey Mysterio propped up as some underdog contender to the Undertaker's title, is not credible. If I have to say it once it seems I have to say it a thousand times, and it will always be true.

 

[Bernkastel]

I don't know why you think it's necessary to keep kayfabe alive..when Vince and every other wrestler has said to the public that wrestling is fake and it's only entertainment?

You're missing the point, kayfabe is the entertainment aspect of pro wrestling. Kayfabe embodies the world in which we, the fans, are supposed to suspend belief of the logical and ordinary in order to be entertained.

This doesn't just pertain to over- the- top gimmicks such as the Undertaker's, or situations that defy physics like a group of midgets living under the ring. Kayfabe also pertains to situations in which the laws of society cease to exist, and we as fans are supposed to except these as part of the show.

We as fans are supposed to believe that some superstars can get away with assaulting police officers and paramedics, they can assault their bosses and not get fired, they can damage property, break into homes, and set people on fire with almost no repercussions except to fall at the hands of another vigilante. These are all examples of events that make up part of the show.

Kayfabe is the imaginary line that we, the fans, cross over when we allow ourselves to be subjected to the world of professional wrestling.

If we got rid of kayfabe, professional wrestling would cease to exist.

 

[Tastycles]

We shouldn't give the world title to either man, to be honest with you, as they are both weak as champions, as is. That being said, the only person on Smackdown that has proven that they can carry a world title well is Batista. His most recent reigns have been shit, but he has managed to maintain a substantial one before. With his new heel persona, he could embark on a ruthless rule of aggression, and destroy guys like Rey and The Undertaker, before being finally stopped by an up and comer. That could be a good title storyline, and is probably Smackdown's best option right now.

 

[Proof]

Echlon... Kayfabe ceased to exist when we started having guys like the Undertaker walk around in wrestling... It makes wrestling look even more like a circus.

I can say that when the cheesy zombie you mention has been one of if not the most dominant competitors of the last 20 years, that's how. According to you he can barely walk, but this guy still flies over the top rope, walks the ropes, and is still in good enough shape to be every bit as convincing as he was 10 years ago at least. With the Undertaker there are more theatrics yes, but that is apart of the character. If he was 5' 5'' and 185 lbs I wouldn't but the hype, but he is still almost 7' 0'' tall and about 295 lbs or more. Look, it's like this: Size Matters, especially in the "HEAVYWEIGHT" division. Having a half pint spot monkey beating a character who is supposed to be a "Phenom" a "Deadman Walking" doesn't exactly come across as believable to me.



I'm not talking about kayfabe but believe there is still an element of that around still, it has just changed. I was talking about common sense. The average viewer isn't going to believe Mighty Mouse can beat the Undertaker either, it's an insult to your intelligence. It should just be common sense that you would know, there was no real chance, hence it wouldn't make for a good match.


The ways they make Hornswoggle win are feasible though, it's always by some fluke which is why that works, it's just meant to be funny. The Mae Young hand thing was a product of the attitude era so I wouldn't chalk that up to much. And, you are grossly misrepresenting the Undertaker. We already know it's a show, but in order for it to be a good show, you have to have credible matches. Having Rey Mysterio propped up as some underdog contender to the Undertaker's title, is not credible. If I have to say it once it seems I have to say it a thousand times, and it will always be true.

I was about to stop reading when you said Taker... TAKER, was believable. I think we are both old enough to know that a dead man, that shoots lightening bolts, summons fire, and can appear and disappear in a few seconds, is not believable at all. I would love to know how he is more legit than Mysterio. I would take a small man beating a big guy over a cheesy, unrealistic character. He is dominant because he is booked to be and because wrestling is fake. If Rey was booked as a dominant champion, would he be believable? I think that's just an excuse. Taker isn't believable. I thought Taker was real back when I was 7 years old, but not anymore. If I sat down with a friend of mine and we watched Taker do his cheesy crap, he would laugh hard. Size doesn't matter in a fake sport. Please ask a sports fan, especially someone into MMA, and they would laugh at you. They would ask you why would size matter in a fake sport? It's simple.


I like how you say that Micky Mouse beating Taker would insult our intelligence? Uhmm.. Vince has said (including the wrestlers) that wrestling is FAKE. How is he insulting our intelligence? He isn't. Why wouldn't it be no match? Both are cartoon characters, both are actors... Please tell me how it wouldn't be a match? It's a damn comic show. Taker, a childish, cartoonish character beating anyone is insulting... But we all know wrestling is fake, so it ain't.

As I said, Taker is a character for little kids. If a non-wrestling fan watched Taker, they would laugh at how unbelievable and cheesy he is. Mysterio needs another reign. He at least shows up every week and can put on a hell of a match in a fake sport. I don't know why you can't understand that it's a show.

 

[jayteeERA]

I agree with PROOF. On that last one. I have plenty of friends who hardly watch WWE or wrestling for that fact. Yeah they know about Cena yeah cuz he is a star. Anyway they enjoy watching Rey Mysterio the most. They like his performance. When they see Taker its all negative stuff. About how fake wrestling is, and they say " The Undertaker is a phony change the channel." You see they believe in Rey. He performs his ass off. Now PROOF made some sense size doesn't matter in a fake sport. I mean do you actually think the rock could rock bottom the big show If size matter or what about HHH spinebuster on Great Khali.

Not to take anything from the Undertaker. I do think he is a good champion. But Rey Mysterio is more believable of a champion, than Undertaker. Rey has every right to be a champion as much as Batista. Size doesn't matter in WWE. If it did Batista would be the #1 contender.

 

[Bernkastel]

Echlon... Kayfabe ceased to exist when we started having guys like the Undertaker walk around in wrestling... It makes wrestling look even more like a circus.

Kayfabe didn't cease to exist, if anything it was redefined when gimmicks such as the Undertakers, that stimulated the imagination, began to appear.

If any one event can be accused of destroying kayfabe, it's the Attitude Era, not gimmicks like the Undertakers. The Attitude Era ushered in this sense of false realism that gives pro wrestling the illusion of being a real sport.

That illusion about pro wrestling being similar to a real sport and having competitorship is garbage; that illusion is supposed to portray wrestlers struggling to beat the fuck out of each other. And we as fans are supposed to believe all of the blind heroics and dirty tactics that are used to enhance feuds and storylines; even if those tactics seem cartoonish.

 

[AutumnHeartBreak]

As much as i respect Rey Mysterio, I don't think he'd be fit to be World Champion right now. There's just something about him that doesn't deem him worthy of becoming World Heavyweight champ. He's a good performer and all but I'd rather see him hold the Intercontinental title for like a year and he can beat all the big guys he want defending that title than be world champion. I don't know but there's just that something that kinda makes him not that credible of a champion but that's just me.

As far as Batista goes, meh. He's heel turn has kinda brought a new spark about his character and such but I'd rather have the face Batista win the world title. I kinda miss that intense feeling when he does his boom boom chest pump boom thing he does. But to be honest.. out of all the major things that are happening in Smackdown right now, this whole feud between him and Mysterio for the number one contender is the most boring thing I find. I'd rather see Drew Mcintyre vs John Morisson with some world title involved but that;s just my opinion.

 

[Viper]

Rey should definitely not get the belt remember his last title reign. One of the worst ever, he was getting beat every other night by The Great Khali and Mark fucking Henry. MARK FUCKING HENRY the world champion the face of the brand the person the show should be centered around is jobbed out to the Great Khali and MARK FUCKING HENRY

But as Batista goes i think hes recent heel turn has been the best thing they could've done. It has rejuvenated his career and he is so much more better now then when he was face and i am really digging him as heel. He just has this presence that makes you think he actually believes hes better then everyone and he probably does.

I think he should of beaten mysterio and then advanced to the rumble to beat taker and go onto Mania to drop it to someone. Maybe Cena that would be pretty good.

 

[jayteeERA]

So let me get this straight. You all respect Rey but he should not be the WHC. Why? Because he is too small? What! #1 there isn't any cruiserweight titles anymore, so what else should he go for the I.C again. #2 Rey has beaten big men b4 Nash, Bam Bigalow. Scott Norton, Kane, & Knox. Sure Khali & Henry was apart of a stupid storyline with JBL to prove JBL that Rey isn't good enough for the title. #3 There has been many of times where a champion wrestle in a non title match & gets squash, then wrestle the same guy with his title on the line, and who comes on top? The champion does. So if Rey shouldn't win the WHC, then you are saying Eddy, Benoit, HBK, & Y2J shouldn't win it either.

Batista i feel down the road he would be a great heel champion. I would like him to defend the belt against fresh faces like John Morrison, Kofi, MVP, etc. It could get them over. But I rather Rey to get the belt than Batista.

 

[Basz3]

Well i would like to see Rey being WHC again, both Batista and Rey Mysterio are way better than The Undertaker, it has been a bit boring to watch Undertaker's streak again. If this ends up with Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels for the WHC at WM 26 im gonna get mad So having Rey Mysterio beeing WHC again would be MIZ:''AWESOME'' And I Don't care about mic skills, so long im getting entertained it's good

 

[Freddy4190]

Undertaker doesn't even speak and people say he's a good champion. I think he fucking sucks as champion right now. I'd love to see Rey become champion again. Just to prove that he can do it without riding the coattails of Eddie. Rey's still incredibly over with the fans, the kids love him, the girls love him, the guys love him. He's still got a few years left in him. Maybe. I dunno. Rey is a good choice for champion. Batista's even a good choice, especially in his dominating heel form.