Paul Heyman's incessant "my client conquered The Streak" promos
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d_henderson1810
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Did the OP find it boring when Chris Jericho kept reminding us that he beat both "Stone Cold" Steve Austin AND The Rock in one night to win the WWE and World Title?
I think it makes sense with the conflicting report that WWE wanted Cesaro to build organic popularity. It annoyed me at first but then I realised this is exactly the response Heyman wants and it still kind of annoys me but this is the lost art of being a heel 101 eventually Cesaro will turn on Heyman or the other way around and we will see a Heyman/Cesaro feud similar to the Heyman/CM Punk feud we saw last year. People are meant to get so annoyed with Heymans treatment of Cesaro, people will be dying to see Heyman in the Big Swing or knocked out by Cesaro and I'm willing to bet money by the end of the year we see that.
I do find it utterly irritating too, but that's obviously the point. He's driving home the fact that noone else accomplished those things, only people under his management did them ie I'm the greatest manager and maybe even tying into a future storyline should Punk ever return (something along the lines of) just constantly letting him know hey you dumped me and look what "my guys" accomplished as did you, soon as you dumped my you went on a downward spiral til you fled the company.
Jericho didn't keep doing that over and over again in the 1 promo i think that's the point of the complaint is he's repeating it half dozen times everytime he opens his mouth and sometimes that's all he's saying, Jericho just kept remind people once a promo at most
Viola Moonlight
I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW
If Paul Heyman's "my client Brock Lesnar conquered the streak at Wrestlemania" speech is annoying people such as yourself and continues to elicit a flurry of boo's for the live crowds, than what Paul Heyman is doing works. He is doing exactly what a heel manager should be shouting after his "client" achieved something monumental: repeating it until it gets in our heads. Anything that can get the crowd to boo you relentlessly whilst playing the heel should be considered an achievement since a lot of the crowds seem to be more rebellious in their decisions to cheer and boo nowadays.
Ever since Paul Heyman's client Brock Lesnar conquered the streak at Wrestlemania, we have yet to reach another PPV so the constant rants from Heymans' mouth about his client Brock Lesnar beating the streak at Wrestlemania is still in the very acceptable phase. Until it's been quite a few months removed from the historic moment that Paul Heyman's client Brock Lesnar defeating the streak at Wrestlemania, then maybe you can begin to complain but before we reach that point, you'll have to deal with Paul Heyman's client destroying the Undertaker's streak at Wrestlemania.
Ever since Paul Heyman's client Brock Lesnar conquered the streak at Wrestlemania, we have yet to reach another PPV so the constant rants from Heymans' mouth about his client Brock Lesnar beating the streak at Wrestlemania is still in the very acceptable phase. Until it's been quite a few months removed from the historic moment that Paul Heyman's client Brock Lesnar defeating the streak at Wrestlemania, then maybe you can begin to complain but before we reach that point, you'll have to deal with Paul Heyman's client destroying the Undertaker's streak at Wrestlemania.
Kodo Sawaki
Championship Contender
Purpose of "My client Brock Lesnar conquered the Streak" is to get heat. Which it does. So it does his work. So when Cesaro turns on him and beats Lesnar it would make great face reaction to Cesaro. 
Reflection
is a happier and wiser man
Yeah, saying it 10 times is too much. I find myself neither amused, nor entertained, and not humored by that either. Its extremely forced and might cease to derive any substantial reaction very soon. Maybe I hate this routine even more because I'm not a fan of the pairing.
The issue I have with this pairing is that Cesaro's alliance with Zeb Colter was still going great. It wasn't stagnant in one place without direction, the "We The People" and Cesaro Swings were immensely over, and I didn't see anyone say anything bad about it. Why break it up?
Now he is paired with Paul Heyman, with a potential match against the conqueror of the Streak at some point in the future. That's a great thing, and will be one of Cesaro's biggest matches... but was that the only way to lead up to it?
Right now, Cesaro is being booked as a guy that is seen (and treated) by his manager as second class, behind Lesnar, and it will stay that way for as long as this alliance lasts. Eventually, Cesaro will get fed up, and then it will be "the man who conquered the streak" Brock Lesnar AND "the greatest manager ever" Paul Heyman against Cesaro- alone. Cesaro wouldn't even be a believable as someone that can possibly beat Lesnar with Heyman in his corner. And after that defeat, where does Cesaro go from there? Back to the upper mid card? If so, what was the point of this alliance? Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot "The defeat will make him look strong"... I don't think a guy that uppercut and swung his way through the roster, defeated the reigning WWE WHC and almost defeated the face of the company, will have anything new to gain from the above circumstance.
Somebody said that getting treated this way by Heyman will get him even more over as a face. Wouldn't the face reaction have been better if Paul Heyman was doing one of his "My client Brock Lesnar conquered the streak" rounds, and got interfered by Cesaro with the Real Americans in tow, and the feud started from there? Cesaro would also seem like someone that has a chance against The Beast- something he doesn't now.
The issue I have with this pairing is that Cesaro's alliance with Zeb Colter was still going great. It wasn't stagnant in one place without direction, the "We The People" and Cesaro Swings were immensely over, and I didn't see anyone say anything bad about it. Why break it up?
Now he is paired with Paul Heyman, with a potential match against the conqueror of the Streak at some point in the future. That's a great thing, and will be one of Cesaro's biggest matches... but was that the only way to lead up to it?
Right now, Cesaro is being booked as a guy that is seen (and treated) by his manager as second class, behind Lesnar, and it will stay that way for as long as this alliance lasts. Eventually, Cesaro will get fed up, and then it will be "the man who conquered the streak" Brock Lesnar AND "the greatest manager ever" Paul Heyman against Cesaro- alone. Cesaro wouldn't even be a believable as someone that can possibly beat Lesnar with Heyman in his corner. And after that defeat, where does Cesaro go from there? Back to the upper mid card? If so, what was the point of this alliance? Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot "The defeat will make him look strong"... I don't think a guy that uppercut and swung his way through the roster, defeated the reigning WWE WHC and almost defeated the face of the company, will have anything new to gain from the above circumstance.
Somebody said that getting treated this way by Heyman will get him even more over as a face. Wouldn't the face reaction have been better if Paul Heyman was doing one of his "My client Brock Lesnar conquered the streak" rounds, and got interfered by Cesaro with the Real Americans in tow, and the feud started from there? Cesaro would also seem like someone that has a chance against The Beast- something he doesn't now.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
1. You are supposed to hate it
2. The streak, kind of a big deal no?
3. Its Paul Heyman, you are supposed to hate it
4. It takes, like, 30 seconds of your life/his promo
5. Its effective, because you see, you are supposed to hate it
2. The streak, kind of a big deal no?
3. Its Paul Heyman, you are supposed to hate it
4. It takes, like, 30 seconds of your life/his promo
5. Its effective, because you see, you are supposed to hate it
I personally enjoy it. I find it to be hilarious that he always says that. Beating The Undertaker's streak is a huge accomplishment. Heyman is a heel so he will keep repeating it to annoy the fans. Many heels have done things like this in the past. The only thing I disagree with is that he doesn't seem to be putting over Cesaro but this could all be planned for one big feud between Cesaro and Lesnar. But yeah, I love when Paul Heyman says "my client Brock Lesnar conquered the Undertaker's undefeated Wrestlemania streak".
I think its great I don't know where you think its Nasty Boys at all. Honestly you have to think Heyman has a tweener right now in Cesaro he's heel but being cheered like a babyface, Heyman is trying to maintain heel status for Lesnar while keeping in line with Cesaro, Undertakers Streak is something people can still be mad about for a while until Lesnar is on TV.
Cheap heat though? How often do we hear a wrestler talking about the town their in being a cespool I mean honestly that is cheap heat, the streak is/was something major and relevant that can make them hate you quickly and honestly Heyman can hit that fiddle with the best of them and not need the heat, but again it all deals with lesnar if he comes back when I think he will we will get more Lesnar and he'll give us something else to hate about him plain and simple...
Cheap heat though? How often do we hear a wrestler talking about the town their in being a cespool I mean honestly that is cheap heat, the streak is/was something major and relevant that can make them hate you quickly and honestly Heyman can hit that fiddle with the best of them and not need the heat, but again it all deals with lesnar if he comes back when I think he will we will get more Lesnar and he'll give us something else to hate about him plain and simple...
Reflection
is a happier and wiser man
No, actually we are supposed to hate segments or acts that actually involves the party doing something that makes us want to hate them- like Eddie throwing the title/chair to his opponent's hands and falling down. Paul Heyman's antics are repetitive and the heat/hate that it is garnering (at least from us)- as the OP mentioned- is not heel-hatred (Ric Flair), but boring-hatred (John Laurinaitis).
It is, it is... But does he really have to say that with Cesaro by his side? Why not promote Cesaro during that time, and hype Lesnar some other time. Besides, nobody has forgotten the streak ending so much that we have to be reminded about it 10 times- on a bi-weekly basis.
You said it already, but let's play along... A good segment is marked by what happens in it, not who stars in it. If one loves a segment just because it features John Cena or hates one just because it features Paul Heyman, even though they are doing a sub-par job at it, then that person is a mark (been a while since we heard this term, amidst all the "burials").
"My client Brock Lesnar conquered the streak" takes Paul 5 seconds (minimum) to say, so saying it 10 times would take 50 seconds. Add 2 seconds between each rep, and you have 18 more seconds. So total 1 minute and 8 seconds. Add to that the acting, smiling, taunting, Cesaro talking at his ear etc.- another 90 seconds at least. The ring entrance, taking the mic, dropping the mic, leaving- another 90 seconds. Total- 4 minutes and 18 seconds... not 30 seconds. You're welcome.
You already said that... Twice. And you were wrong... Twice.
I think its awful as i dont think its something to shout about ok the streak was beaten but the build up was shit and the match was shit ....... i get that saying it gets heel heat and also gives props to taker that it took someone like Lesnar to do what 20+ people couldn't
The match belonged on a B-card PPV and i all in hell hope they don't even think about adding it as match of the year
After the HHH, HBK and Even Cm Punk matchs taker has had last 5 years it just sucked
So to me anytime its mentioned its just pissed me off not because its over but because it ended with a shit match and a shit feud and now they are blasting it about like it is something amazing
The match belonged on a B-card PPV and i all in hell hope they don't even think about adding it as match of the year
After the HHH, HBK and Even Cm Punk matchs taker has had last 5 years it just sucked
So to me anytime its mentioned its just pissed me off not because its over but because it ended with a shit match and a shit feud and now they are blasting it about like it is something amazing
I find it to be a bit annoying, it is working though. You're not supposed to like him or what he has to say in a promo. Paul Heyman is doing his job, and quite well I might add. It is making the fans hate him and anyone associated with him. The Undertaker's legendary streak will never be replicated and Heyman has bragging rights forever (whether we like it or not) that he played a part in defeating Taker in a situation he was thought to be (kayfabe) invincible in. Ten years from now, Heyman could bring it up again and receive the desired negative response from the fans. I don't see this ending anytime soon. It's too good of a heal heat magnet.
By the way, did you know that Paul Heyman's client, Brock Lesnar, ended The Undertaker's undefeated streak at Wrestlemania?
Yeah. Keep making us angry, Heyman. He makes the WWE money by doing this. The fans will pay to see a face defeat Heyman's clients due to how upset Heyman's bragging is making them feel. I didn't agree with how the streak ended but what's done is done. Now WWE need to capitalize on the streak no longer being intact. The tidal wave of hatred from the fans has to be used while it can still be a source of income for the federation and a way to make new stars. Heyman's clients are instantly hated when he mentions his involvement in the streak ending. Nearly anyone who stands up to Heyman will get a positive reaction.
By the way, did you know that Paul Heyman's client, Brock Lesnar, ended The Undertaker's undefeated streak at Wrestlemania?
Yeah. Keep making us angry, Heyman. He makes the WWE money by doing this. The fans will pay to see a face defeat Heyman's clients due to how upset Heyman's bragging is making them feel. I didn't agree with how the streak ended but what's done is done. Now WWE need to capitalize on the streak no longer being intact. The tidal wave of hatred from the fans has to be used while it can still be a source of income for the federation and a way to make new stars. Heyman's clients are instantly hated when he mentions his involvement in the streak ending. Nearly anyone who stands up to Heyman will get a positive reaction.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Who the fuck is "us"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Also, was that Eddie Guerrero comparison a serious remark?
Are you a troll account, or just a fucking idiot?
Cesaro is being promoted by being associated with Heyman, the man who managed the man who conquered the streak. Although, I can see how the subtlety of that would escape you. He isnt hyping Lesnar, he is hyping himself, and by association, Cesaro, whom he hand picked to manage.
You really are the age listed in your profile, aren't you?
In any case, what Heyman does is anything besides sub-par, its very effective.
Who the fuck is "us"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Also, was that Eddie Guerrero comparison a serious remark?
Are you a troll account, or just a fucking idiot?
Cesaro is being promoted by being associated with Heyman, the man who managed the man who conquered the streak. Although, I can see how the subtlety of that would escape you. He isnt hyping Lesnar, he is hyping himself, and by association, Cesaro, whom he hand picked to manage.
You really are the age listed in your profile, aren't you?
In any case, what Heyman does is anything besides sub-par, its very effective.
Is this a serious statement? Clearly, I have been worked here. You ARE in fact a troll account, aren't you?
Clearly, it was twice too many
NegativeFeedback
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I agree with you, I've actually opted to just not watching Heyman's segments. I've been skipping them lately. I guess that's when you know something's not working.
He's trying to get boos. He knows you smarks wanna cheer him but that's not what he's going for. A good heel is going to find a way to get booed and that's what Heyman does. Not to mention when you end the streak that's a card you're going to play up as much as humanly possible. Heyman is not only garnering heat for Brock Lesnar, but he's passing that heat onto everyone he's affiliated with. It's pretty smart if you ask me.
Reflection
is a happier and wiser man
By "we", I meant 'smart' fans in general. You're original comment was "You're supposed to hate it"- No we're not. There's nothing called "supposed to" that applies to smarks. Moreover, since your original comments addressed the OP and not me, I believe the usage of "we" in this regard is justified.
Probably, but is that much of promotion enough? Especially considering that Zeb Colter used to work really hard in promoting both of his clients; and now, instead of getting directly promoted (this week being an exception), Cesaro has to derive it from plainly being alongside the man whose other client was very successful. After allying with Paul, Cesaro isn't looking any stronger than he was before; the former is just the bridge between a Cesaro-Lesnar feud, and the whole plot behind it would most likely be Heyman's non-promotion of Cesaro. There's no subtlety; you are just defending Paul Heyman, because judging by your previous post, you clearly worship him blindly.
Its worth comparing what an actual heat-seeking promo is and Heyman does, to the terms "trolling" and old school "spamming". What Heyman does is "spamming". Now just like Spammers, Heyman too gets some reaction from people.. But that doesn't make his act as constructive as that of a seasoned troll. Heyman's 'one line repeated ten times' act is lame, plain and simple.
Typical IWC responses. When you have nothing smart and relevant to say, make fun of the other person's grammar, appearance, age etc. It seems as though YOU are the wannabe-troll here. You should comment on the WZ main page more often; a moron like you would fit right in.
LOL
With the current network that WWE has and their huge social media presence, the idea of a line separating "smarks" and "marks" no longer exists. We should see that with the constant blurring the WWE does with their current storylines.
So you found another reason how Heyman will be effective as Cesaro's manager, didn't you? Positive or negative; Cesaro will benefit from Heyman. That's why when Paul Heyman brags that his client Brock Lesnar broke the Undertaker's streak, it's to make you feel something. One of them is to piss you off because he's not supporting Cesaro.
Blur them lines baby!
I was thinking the same thing. I can't help but think that Heyman will keep this up throughout the year all the way until WM season next year, finally The Undertaker returns determined to avenge this year's loss. Personally, it's not a rematch I want to see, but I can't help but feel like this is what they're building towards.
I like it but Cesaro is the new Paul Heyman guy and the focus is just shifted from him because of this. Cesaro was on a good momentum going into wrestlemania. If Heyman is going to constantly talk about Brock Lesnar instead of Cesaro, then he is not really helping. I get that with Lesnar away , WWE needs to actually keep building him since breaking the streak is huge but right now I'd like the focus to be on Cesaro. Heyman needs to sell him , not just Lesnar.
lil steroid meat
Unregistered User
Pretty sure this is the reason why it will continue. Eventually Cesaro will say "Fuck the streak, what about me?!".
That being said, sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's not necessary. When they went to commercial break and came back and he was still doing it, THAT was funny. When he did the knock knock joke, THAT was funny.
When he did it during the "debate" with Zeb Coulter, it wasn't funny, wasn't necessary, and killed what could have been a good, memorable segment if they had really let them talk.
So it really depends on the timing and situation of it. I have no problem with them doing it before Cesaro's entrance, it's usually funny + it sets up for Cesaro to get mad about it down the road. But it shouldn't be interjected into another segment. But then again, I guess it's working if he's supposed to be the heel and something he's doing is making us mad/annoying us.