Paul Heyman and the TNA Messiah Complex

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I've been thinking abot this for a while and there is a problem with TNA, and it’s about to get worse.

Ever since TNA was conceived it has been struggling to become a realistic competitor in the market of professional wrestling. In the beginning TNA was merely a crew of fresh-faced dreamers and former stars reaching for that brass ring. Almost ten years later, and they’re…well…a group of fresh-faced dreamers and former stars trying to stay in business. It’s easy to see TNA as more of a regional promotion instead of a small company with a national TV deal and massive potential for expansion.

They have the tools to move forward; fresh talent, reliable veterans, and most importantly, financial backing. So what has kept TNA from breaking through the barrier and becoming the powerhouse it hopes to be? Like most things, TNA’s biggest struggle comes from the idea of the quick fix, and the hope that the right person (or persons) will swoop in and save the day.

Take a look back to 2003. The company brought in what was considered to be a huge coup, a world famous professional wrestler who had never graced a WWE ring; the man known as Sting. It’s no secret that WWE has always desired to add Sting to their roster, something Sting has said numerous times he has no interest in doing. TNA now had a mega-star that WWE could never obtain, and they treated him as such. TNA heralded Sting as the man who would take TNA to new heights, and launch them into the stratosphere of promotional domination.

Unfortunately, that didn’t happen. They have done it many times since, bringing in a former star that was a huge draw, and building the company’s promotional machine around them. Christian, Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, and most recently Hulk Hogan, at one point or another were all considered to be the “savior” of TNA. Christian and Angle were symbolized as the “turning of the tide” stars jumping from the WWE to the TNA promise land. Foley was a huge draw at the turn of the century, and was even given a huge billboard in downtown Manhattan to announce his arrival. But, that all paled in comparison to the entrance of “The Immortal” Hulk Hogan.

There have been talks in the wrestling rumor websites that TNA is trying to secure former ECW head honcho Paul Heyman into taking over the TNA creative team. These rumors have been reinforced by the current storyline. There are positives and negatives to a Paul Heyman run TNA. Let’s break it down and see if we can determine if Paul Heyman is just another quick fix that will shrivel out in a few months time, or the long anticipated TNA Messiah who will finally bring them from the edges of obscurity:

PRO- He’s a creative genius.
We need to give credit where credit is due; Paul Heyman was the driving force behind the success of ECW. If not for him, the small Philadelphia based promotion never would have adopted the extreme attitude and the wrestling boom in the late nineties might have never happened. Paul was the creative mind behind such fantastic gimmicks as Raven, the Sandman, Sabu, Taz, Rob Van Dam, and the Dudley Boyz. He took a rag-tag group of misfits and created a clever cast of characters that enthralled the audience week after week. If anyone can take the talent that TNA already has at their disposal and make it better, Paul E. can.

CON- He’s not a very good business man.
Lets be honest, Heyman ran ECW into the ground by running when he should have been walking. Paul will say it was because ECW lost their television deal, but his former employees have suggested otherwise. Little Guido (aka former WWE Superstar Nunzio) mentioned that he didn’t know where the money was going, because everywhere they went the house was packed. Most of the time wrestlers were working without a paycheck. Tommy Dreamer went unpaid for more than a month. RVD was owed $150,000 in back pay. This kind of thing might have flown in the old ECW due to the loyalty of the stars involved, but TNA wrestlers, especially big names like Hogan and Angle, will refuse to work if they don’t get paid. If he is given control of TNA, Dixie Carter better keep the check book in her purse and micro manage all expenses or her company will be bankrupt within a year.

THere are more but ifeel i have said enough. I've been thinking about this for a long time now.Since Heyman has yet to sign with TNA this is all conjecture. It’s possible he never joins the promotion and they continue their search elsewhere. But if he does join up, TNA is going to have to put their eggs into an assortment of baskets instead of relying on Heyman to fix everything. TNA needs to save themselves, instead of waiting for someone else to do it for them.
 
I could not agree more.

I have been saying this for a long while now, and every year they seem to approach a 'new' Messiah that will save the company for damnation.

I'm sorry to say this but if Hogan cannot do the whole quick fix thing, then no one will. TNA needs to focus all its energies on a whole number of things. In my humble opinion, AJ Styles and Samoa Joe are the two greatest wrestlers on the planet, full stop. They are the face of TNA because they haven't worked with the competition (or not worked for them on a big scale).

I'm all for bringing in ex-WWE guys but when you have a PPV like Victory Road, and only two of the matches have TNA-bred talent (Angelina Love/Madison Rain, and MCMG/Beer Money) they really have to look at what it is they are promoting.

The WWE may have FCW but TNA has its links to the indy's. Bring in some fresh faces. Make TNA look like TNA.

And I agree there is no quick fix here. It is going to take a while. I love TNA. I love wrestling and I really want them to succeed for the good of the business. Its like you said with ECW and Paul Heyman, they need to walk before they can run and they are trying to run right now.

TNA is really exciting right now and sure, Paul Heyman would be a great addition to the creative team, but by no means would he ever be the be all and end all for TNA's success.
 
There has been no confirmation or source provided on any dirt sheet claiming TNA wants Heyman. Also these ridiculous claims that TNA is on the brink of going out of business need to stop, there's no signs of it. In fact there's more signs pointing toward the opposite. Thread is pointless.
 
There has been no confirmation or source provided on any dirt sheet claiming TNA wants Heyman. Also these ridiculous claims that TNA is on the brink of going out of business need to stop, there's no signs of it. In fact there's more signs pointing toward the opposite. Thread is pointless.

Ok there is not direct confirmation but still. There have been reports saying TNAs Pay Per View buys are less than even 10,000. This might be false. TNA allows people to attend their tapings free which is in no way profitable. How many talents has TNA aquired in the last year in regards to how many have been released? It is very apparent TNA aren't gaining money but if they are it is incredibly slim.
 
Actually this thread is not pointless, because word is that spike is putting pressure on Dixie to improve TNA, which is why she is pursuing Heyman. Now, is Heyman gonna make a difference in TNA? Well, that depends on if he gets what he wants which is complete control. The problem with TNA is Dixie doesn't have a mind for the business and she refuses to see that the people around her, advising her are hurting the company. If TNA is ever gonna get better then the first thing that has to happen is clean out the front office.

The only way TNA will grow and get better the way it SHOULD BE ALREADY is when Dixie realizes she doesnt know what she is doing and bring someone in who does and give them COMPLETE CONTROL. She already has Bischoff, but his role is very limited and it really should be increased. I could go on and on about the problems with TNA and they are EASY to fix problems, which is mind boggling to why Dixie hasn't realized this.

Could Heyman help TNA? YES! He has a mind for the business (wrestling, booking) financially, maybe not so much, but on the flip side, we all learn from our mistakes. I'm pretty sure Heyman would agree with IDR's 7 ways to improve TNA. I want TNA to succeed which is why I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Heyman/Jim Ross combination to be brought into TNA and clean house.
 
There has been no confirmation or source provided on any dirt sheet claiming TNA wants Heyman. Also these ridiculous claims that TNA is on the brink of going out of business need to stop, there's no signs of it. In fact there's more signs pointing toward the opposite. Thread is pointless.

No conformation - this stuff is everywhere. Heyman himself in interview have said the sides had talked.

As for the money point, true - we can't see the books. But apply logic to the situation, and its tough to come up with any other answer.

What do they have coming in:

- A good TV deal
- Live event money - that aren't that big on the whole.
- PPV - that reports say that they are doing less that 10,000 PPV buys every month.
- Money from Panda energy.

What do they have going out:

- Wrestlers wages, which - when you look at their roster, could be very high. People like RVD, Eric Bischoff, Hulk Hogan - don't come cheap.
- TV Tapings are free to go and watch

Yes, much of this is conjecture, and it would be nigh on impossible to get any of it confirmed, but you can't simply defend TNA for TNA's sake, we'll look right through you. TNA has issues, deal with it. I'd question your participation in the IWC if you couldn't read the mountain of news stories regarding TNA and Paul Heyman and not see them as beyond resaonable doubt.
 
Ok there is not direct confirmation but still. There have been reports saying TNAs Pay Per View buys are less than even 10,000. This might be false.
Might be false? Might be false? TNA is a privately traded company who do not release financial information to the public. If a PPV provider leaked the information they'd find themselves bombarded with enough law suits to bankrupt them. The chances of these reports being accurate? <1%.


TNA allows people to attend their tapings free which is in no way profitable.
They allow people who have paid admittance to Universal free entry, they still get a cut from the ticket required to gain entry to the theme park.

How many talents has TNA aquired in the last year in regards to how many have been released?
What? They've acquired much bigger stars with bigger cash demands and they've kept them, so the conclusion there is TNA is able to pay those guys, which would imply they have money.

It is very apparent TNA aren't gaining money but if they are it is incredibly slim.

What do you base this on? The fact that they're running live shows with high attendance levels? The fact that they embark on another international tour next year? What concrete evidence do you have to suggest TNA isn't making money? Any at all?

Allow me to help you understand how television works, television stations and by proxy the programs they air earn money via advertising. Whenever an advertisment or commercial is aired on TV for a product, the people behind it pay the network a huge some of money, the more people watching the higher the cost. TNA is currently Spike TV's highest rated show, beating out the Ultimate Fighter. So, advertisers pay a hefty sum to air commercials during iMPACT and a portion of that money goes directly to TNA.

Add to that the fact that TNA having the iMPACT Zone available means they don't have to foot the bill for arena's the way the WWE does allows for TNA to save even more money and due to the fact that their house shows are getting solid attendance rates and are obviously turning a profit seeing as the house show schedule has increased, what you can infer from those observations is that TNA is doing fine and the claims against it have no basis.
 
No conformation - this stuff is everywhere. Heyman himself in interview have said the sides had talked.
Allow me to explain how direct confirmation works; when TNA releases a press statement that says "we want Paul Heyman to come take over TNA's booking department" that'll be direct confirmation.

What do they have coming in:

- A good TV deal
- Live event money - that aren't that big on the whole.
- PPV - that reports say that they are doing less that 10,000 PPV buys every month.
- Money from Panda energy.
Allow me to present to you, the world of economics and business;
ADVERTISING!!!!!! Every time a commercial is run on television the company behind it pays thousands of dollars per airing to the television network. A portion of this is then sent to TNA. For every advertisment played during the 2 hours of iMPACT money goes to TNA, on top of that TNA has sponsor endorsements and these also provide lots of money to TNA.

What do they have going out:

- Wrestlers wages, which - when you look at their roster, could be very high. People like RVD, Eric Bischoff, Hulk Hogan - don't come cheap.
Most of their roster works on pay-per-appearance rates. So paying some guys once or twice a month isn't gonna cost much. Also, actually think for a second, Hulk Hogan is in TNA to recoup some money after losing a fair bit in his divorce, if there were any indication TNA couldn't pay him, do you seriously see him staying? Of course not.

- TV Tapings are free to go and watch
TNA gets a cut from all Universal passes because they are viewed as a theme park attraction and their TV Tapings cost very little to run. Also ADVERTISING the #1 area in which television programs make money.

Yes, much of this is conjecture, and it would be nigh on impossible to get any of it confirmed,
Oh really? Then stop stating it as if it were fact.

but you can't simply defend TNA for TNA's sake, we'll look right through you.
Oh yes I'm being challenged by people who don't have the slightest understanding of how you make money via television, how will I withstand the assault????

TNA has issues, deal with it.
Proof?

I'd question your participation in the IWC if you couldn't read the mountain of news stories regarding TNA and Paul Heyman and not see them as beyond resaonable doubt.

Have I read news articles about Paul Heyman? Yes. I also seem to remember reading an article that said Samoa Joe was going to leave TNA because he was angry about TNA not hiring his friend's catering service and it turned out to be a load of shit. Similarly I read a report not long ago about TNA having low locker room morale and then Matt Morgan went on twitter and said that was bullshit. Funny thing about online reports, they rarely have sources unless it's come direct from the company. The majority of the time they're baseless reports that usually end up either being refuted or retracted. Funny that.
 
im a big tna fan. but the reason i watch is bc they are still fresh. in the grand scheme of things they are a young company still trying to find the right formula. trial and error. part of the problem is that dixie cant make up her mind on direction b\c she has no idea where to go. so, in turn, she listens to people around her. not always a good idea, but she has no creative ideas for the biz so she dosent kno any better.

she has brought in big names (foley, sting, nash, angle...) but big names mostly= ratings, not necessarily a solid direction. so bringing in hogan\bischoff was a great idea, at first. hogan= fans, eric= direction. but eric\hogan can only do so much and people werent as excited once hogan was taking up so much tv time. enter the groans. so tna needs a good change & dixie needs to let go a little.

but despite what people on iwc say, tna isnt 'clinging to life'. tna has $$$. they are spike's #1 show, they just added xplosion in most areas which will give more exposure to more talent, & between the 2 shows they have $ coming in from advertisers. good $ infact. & anyone that thinks running tours overseas is cheap, think again. 'broke' companies cannot afford to run shows in other countries. (europe, japan...) & not to sound like a broken record- but Reddannihilation is right about ppv buyrates, impact ticketholders, etc.

mayb heyman would b the better thing for tna & would definately push them in a great direction. if dixie gives up the reigns a bit and lets him run- he can make big changes for the good. heyman has the creative genius & tna has the stars. tna has alot of great established guys & some of the best young talent around. tna has the $ to back him up & all dixie has to do is sit back and smile. let paul and eric do what they do & watch the ratings go up. vince has the bigger guys, but tna has the better wrestlers.

so to all the people in the cheap seats, quit expecting tna to have the same stats & power of the wwe. vince & co has had decades to build up their company. tna has big potential and cannot instantly have the cred vince has gained over the past 30 years. but in the next 5 yrs i guarantee that tna will have grown for the good& nt fizzled away like most of u seem to think.
 
I think for one, and it's no big secret, but they really need to take their tapings on the road. I mean, for the two or three times they've been live---they've gotten their feet wet, knowing what to expect, when some things don't play out live, etc. It's a fact that you're gonna make mistakes when live...but hey....that's why it's LIVE....people watch it just for that sometimes....no redos, no editing, etc (okay..getting off the subject here). I don't know the economics of putting on a live show as opposed to breaking even with souvenirs, concessions, etc, and of course no one wants to go in a hole right off the bat when touring. Word of mouth of live house shows --autograph signings, etc, have really had positive feedback and people who attend these insist that for your money, a TNA live show is really worth it--based on fan interaction alone. I think if TNA really tried filming live shows in say, some mid-size auditoriums that hold maybe 7000, they may break even (even at $20.00 and 5000 show up, that's at least 100k right there, but there is also rental of the building for starters), and did it for a month, they could actually look and see if they had the money to spare to lose.....if they lose it. My biggest fear is that if TNA succeeds in that fact, that they would distance themselves from the fans like what WWE has in some retrospect, and when it comes time to trim the budget---the fan experience would be one of the first things that will go. I would like to think that for the seven years TNA has been in business....and business is obviously better now than what it was, that there has to be some reason as to why Jarrett, or Carter, or Panda is holding them to Orlando. However, in just typing that sentence, if they're not bringing in any bread from having it in Orlando, whos to say they would bring in any cabbage when they hit the road. I personally would to see a live show shown from New York, or Montana, or Arkansas, or lick-skillet KY, ....just to see the ACTUAL crowd reaction as opposed to being told what to do pre-Impact.
 
Reddannihilation has single handedly annihilated this thread.

I want you people to think just for one minute, Why should TNA hire and give full control to a guy who couldnt control ECW. Is it really worth it?

im sure it is, i love Paul Heman's prescence and i want him in TNA but he should stop acting like his is bigger than TNA or wrestling itself.
 
if anyone doubts the fact that paul heyman can help tna or has lost his creative 'mojo', answer me this...

what are the 3 little letters that ALL wrestling fans have chanted atleast once and still can be heard very loudly at every show in every promotion?

...E C W

that man started a revolution. how many people go around chanting wwe, or wcw? never heard it....

paul wants to get paid because he deserves it and wants to make sure his family is taken care of if he is going to take the time to go back to wrestling. he has gone on record saying he wants to make sure the money is good & if taking the time away from his kids is worth it. he still has a passion for the business, in no way has he lost his creative genius or is just interested in getting a paycheck.

so chant along with me cuz u kno u want to ..... E C dub! E C dub!
 
Reddannihilation has single handedly annihilated this thread.

I want you people to think just for one minute, Why should TNA hire and give full control to a guy who couldnt control ECW. Is it really worth it?



im sure it is, i love Paul Heman's prescence and i want him in TNA but he should stop acting like his is bigger than TNA or wrestling itself.

That's a question that maybe not a lot of people are thinking because i saw the dvd on youtube about how ECW went out of business, i watched it like 2 times. From what I seen and heard, it was like he wasn't running it like a business. Now i see why Vince didnt want to give him complete control when ECW resurface in WWE, i mean is it worth it. I Dont see giving Heyman too much power to TNA, i mean its too risky. I know he learned his lesson, but that doesnt mean he need full control because TNA is fresh, and it needs to be run properly.
 
Might be false? Might be false? TNA is a privately traded company who do not release financial information to the public. If a PPV provider leaked the information they'd find themselves bombarded with enough law suits to bankrupt them. The chances of these reports being accurate? <1%.
Granted but how can you prove otherwise that what is being said is indeed false? Neither you or I know that.


They allow people who have paid admittance to Universal free entry, they still get a cut from the ticket required to gain entry to the theme park.
A cut? Wow that will save them.

What? They've acquired much bigger stars with bigger cash demands and they've kept them, so the conclusion there is TNA is able to pay those guys, which would imply they have money.
Yes but the question remains: WHERE IS ALL THIS MONEY COMING FROM!?!? Their advertising? If not what else?

What do you base this on? The fact that they're running live shows with high attendance levels? The fact that they embark on another international tour next year? What concrete evidence do you have to suggest TNA isn't making money? Any at all?
High attendance levels? Reports from live shows indicate otherwise.

Allow me to help you understand how television works, television stations and by proxy the programs they air earn money via advertising. Whenever an advertisment or commercial is aired on TV for a product, the people behind it pay the network a huge some of money, the more people watching the higher the cost. TNA is currently Spike TV's highest rated show, beating out the Ultimate Fighter. So, advertisers pay a hefty sum to air commercials during iMPACT and a portion of that money goes directly to TNA.
Oh yes the advertising! I forgot! WWE gains money from Advertising, Merchandise and ALOT of sponsors for their Pay Per Views. TNA needs more than just advertising to gain money from. They need more capital than that.

Add to that the fact that TNA having the iMPACT Zone available means they don't have to foot the bill for arena's the way the WWE does allows for TNA to save even more money and due to the fact that their house shows are getting solid attendance rates and are obviously turning a profit seeing as the house show schedule has increased, what you can infer from those observations is that TNA is doing fine and the claims against it have no basis.
Yes but they don't gain all the money from the impact zone only a portion. Which is a prime example of why they can't spend all that money on their talent.
 
I want you people to think just for one minute, Why should TNA hire and give full control to a guy who couldnt control ECW. Is it really worth it?
That is why they haven't come to terms yet. Heyman want's total control which of course is not an option for TNA.

im sure it is, i love Paul Heman's prescence and i want him in TNA but he should stop acting like his is bigger than TNA or wrestling itself.
He's gambling with TNA. he knows they need him more that he needs them. Eventually they may throw something he likes his way and then he signs. It's negotiations 101.

Granted but how can you prove otherwise that what is being said is indeed false? Neither you or I know that.
If it were true, TNA would have to address this to their superiors. No word on that.



A cut? Wow that will save them.
Every day over 60,000 $100 tickets are sold by Universal Studio (estimated). Take 10 dollars from each ticket for TNA and in one day you have 6,000 with zero struggle. Sound like a sweet deal there.
Yes but the question remains: WHERE IS ALL THIS MONEY COMING FROM!?!? Their advertising? If not what else?
- Merchandise
- House Shows
- Fan events
- Sponsorship
- Panda energy share
- Universal Studios share
- etc.


High attendance levels? Reports from live shows indicate otherwise.
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Pictures > Report

Oh yes the advertising! I forgot! WWE gains money from Advertising, Merchandise and ALOT of sponsors for their Pay Per Views. TNA needs more than just advertising to gain money from. They need more capital than that.
I think we covered this already.


Yes but they don't gain all the money from the impact zone only a portion. Which is a prime example of why they can't spend all that money on their talent.
Again? Rinse and repeat. Universal Studios shares aren't their only source for revenue. There is a lot of other things they have to gain money from.
 

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