Papa John does NOT Support ObamaCare

Posted this thread in the news wire and though of my former inmates, thought I'd give ya'll a chance to discuss as well.

The CEO and founder of Papa John's pizza wants investors to know that when the president's health care law takes effect, the price of pizza is going up with it.

According to "Papa" John Schnatter, the cost of providing health insurance for all of his pizza chain's uninsured, full-time employees comes out to about 14 cents on a large pizza. That's less than adding an extra topping and a third the price of an extra pepperoncini. If you want that piping hot pie delivered, the $2 delivery fee will cost you 14 times as much as that health insurance price hike.

"We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry," Schnatter said on a conference call with shareholders last week, as reported by Politico. "If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders' best interests."

The pizza place's Facebook page was soon littered with outraged pizza lovers proclaiming they would be "happy" to pay an extra 11 to 14 cents so Papa John's employees could have health insurance. "I lose more than that in a week under my sofa cushion," one Facebook commenter wrote. "I'd gladly pay 20 cents for a child to go to a doctor when they've got a cold, rather than have them show up at the ER." Another said she's taking her money to another pizza restaurant, "one that doesn't begrudge their employees the ability to seek a doctor when they're ill." The company sought to clarify Schattner's comments on Wednesday, telling ABC News in a statement that Schnatter's remarks were in direct response to a question about the costs of complying with President Obama's health care law. "We certainly understand the importance of healthcare to our customers, our employees, small business owners and their employees," the company said. But despite the pizza price increase, many of Papa John's employees may still go without employer-provided health insurance after the law takes effect in 2014. The company would not say how many of its employees are uninsured, but in 2010 the service industry had one of the lowest rates of insured employees, with 33 percent of the workforce uninsured, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. Large businesses, those with more than 50 employees, are the only ones on the hook for providing health insurance under the health reform law. While Papa John's as a whole employs 16,500 people, 80 percent of the company's restaurants are independently owned franchises. As long as a franchise owner does not employ more than 50 people, he or she does not have to pay for employee health insurance.

The Affordable Care Act only requires employers to offer health insurance to full-time employees, almost 90 percent of whom at large businesses like Papa John's corporate offices are already covered, according to a Treasury Department official.

If the pizza company decides not to cover any full-time employees who are not currently insured, it will be hit with a $2,000 fine for each employee beyond the first 30 workers. But part-time employees are not required to be covered under the law. While Papa John's would not disclose how many of its employees were part-time, in the food and beverage industry as a whole, half of all workers were part time in 2010, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Where Papa John's and other restaurant chains may run into costs from the health law is under a new definition of "full-time" employees. Anyone who works more than 35 hours, the average weekly hours of a part-time restaurant employee, is considered full-time under the law and will thus have to be provided with health insurance.

The "bulk" of the costs for complying with the Affordable Care Act will stem from restaurants being required to give health insurance to their previously part-time employees, said Angelo Amador, the vice president of Labor and Workforce Policy at the National Restaurant Association. Steven Wojcik, vice president of Public Policy for the National Business Group on Health, said he expects that rather than pay for these employees to get health insurance, restaurant owners will cut back hours to keep the majority of their workforce part-time.

"What's going to happen is restaurants are going to have to make a choice," Wojcik said. "My full-time employees, I'm going to have to move some of them to part-time. I'm definitely not going to go out and hire more restaurant employees to stay under the 50-person cap and I may scale back some of the hours of the ones that currently work more than 30 hours per week."

Wojcik said that while some waiters, cooks and pizza makers who are already full-time may score health insurance from their employer, "we will not expect a lot more coverage of restaurant employees unless Americans are willing to pay a lot more for a meal."

That's the same sentiment that former Godfather's Pizza chairman Herman Cain expressed 18 years ago when President Bill Clinton was trying to reform health care.

Cain, who ran a failed bid for the GOP presidential nomination this year, said during the 1994 health care fight that he would either have to make his pizzas far more expensive or eliminate jobs to comply with Clinton's plan and provide health insurance to more employees.

"Employers who do not cover employees do not for one simple reason, and it relates to cost," Cain said in 1994. "If you force me to cover those employees, I may not be in the position to provide those jobs."
SOURCE: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS...e-pizza-prices/story?id=16962891#.UCRGLKMzdpi

I should have found this story on a less bias site, but ABC was the top search result.

As someone who works for Papa Johns I must say I support this statement more then any statement we as a company have issued in the seven years I've worked there. It is really a simple concept to grasp. With new taxes/mandates come higher prices and/or less jobs to offer. Simply put
Herman Cain:"If you force me to cover those employees, I may not be in the position to provide those jobs."

Now all most people got out of this article was $0.14 more per order. Its not actually that simple, that is a rough estimated average. It will vary from restaurant to restaurant, but one thing is for sure prices will rise. This is not just the case in the food service industry, but any industry that provides full time work. The price of food will rise. The price of gas will rise. The price of construction/deconstruction will rise, etc etc etc.

Do you agree or disagree with Papa John and his statements about Obamacare and why?

Keep in mind just like with Chick-Fil-A the question was asked to him, he didn't just decide to have a press conference and announce his views. I only mention this because I feel like that was completely missed in the Chick-Fil-A controversy.

Discuss...
 
"Papa" John's pizza sucks the fucking dick, it's like supermarket pizza with a 500% mark up, fuck that guy.

Seriously, where has human decency gone? If you don't value the people who make the shit that makes you money enough to contribute towards their medical bills you're a fucking piece of shit, straight up. It's the same as those cock suckers at Mcdonalds having their staff inhale vaporised animal fat all day then go "not my problem" when their lungs get fucked up.

Stuff like this blows my mind, what the fuck is wrong with people?! This papa john ringpiece cares more about his profit margins than human beings...just think about that for a second, he quite literally cares more about adding another few million to his already bloated bank account than taking care of the people who's backs he made his millions on. Fuck that guy and fuck anyone who follows suit. I can understand real small/independant buisnesses struggling with this but if you're a rich, restraunt chain owning mother fucker you need to be a human and not a fucking reptile.
 
80% of Papa John's restaurant's are independently owned and operated.

I did not know this. I was under the impression from that article that all Papa John's restraunts were directly owned by "papa john". I stand by my point though, if it means pizza gets 14 cents more expensive...it gets 14 cents more expensive. This is an all over the thing, it's not targeting John's directly, so what's the issue? It'll lead to a uniform price increase so it's not like it'll create an unfair advantage in the market place. I'll say it again, if you don't care enough about your employees to make a marginal price increase to cover the cost of covering their medical care, you're a fucking jerk.

That said, if he's already, uniformally providing health insurance and can prove as such, he shouldn't be hit with having to pay twice then again, what about the cats on minimum wage with no insurance? Wouldn't you pay an extra 14 cents on a carry out pizza (a luxury food item) so the person who made it can go see a doctor if they get sick? Maybe it's just two different schools of thought but the idea that someone would be denied medical care because they can't afford it makes me sick.

This is a massive issue and not really one we can debate fairly without facts/figures but that's my 14cents
 
Who gives a shit about what his political beliefs are. He's a pizza company. If I want Papa John's pizza, and order it, and it gets delivered to my house with no problems, that's all that should matter. Fuck this, "hurr durr I'm not supporting any company that doesn't share my political beliefs" bullshit that's been going on lately.
 
I really could care less if they raise the price of their shitty pizza because I never order it, largely due to the fact that it taste like shit.
 
I didn't read through that mess, but from what I was able to gather, they plan on raising the cost of each pizza by roughly 14 cents?

That was easy. I'll pay it. I never eat PJ's, but if I did, I wouldn't cry about them passing it onto the consumer. It makes sense, even if they can afford it.
 
80% of Papa John's restaurant's are independently owned and operated.

I think you need to read the article again. With all the caveats the idea that this has any effect on people that own a single independent franchise is a joke. Who this might effect is those people that like to own several franchises and I see no reason why such an operation should not have to provide health insurance to people that they work more than 35 hours a week. The idea that this will suppress hiring is also false in many cases IMO. To any such owner that will need to exceed 50 employees, the common sense work around would be to hire additional employees but work them in a little less exploitative manner. A few people losing out on 5 hours a week is not going to tank the economy or their bank accounts. Even if these things do lead to an increase in cost in goods and services, to do a true calculation of the real cost you have to acknowledge the benefits of healthcare. Something tells me people that eat shit pizza all day everyday and don't have healthcare do cost the American public more than many people realize.
 
Why are Americans so opposed to affordable healthcare?
 
Why are Americans so opposed to affordable healthcare?

Because somewhere along the lines, someone thought that it was ok to decide that someone's bank balance should determine if they should be helped when they're sick, because we live in a country where if you work for a small company that can't afford healthcare, work the same hours and the same workload that someone for a big company works, you can be wiped out because someone sneezes on you because you can't afford food, rent and outside healthcare. That is one of the chief reasons that it makes me disturbed to be a human.
 

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