Paige And The Ineveitable Double Standards

[therockiswwf]

I don't think Vince honestly cares that much. This stuff has happened in the past and it blows over. I see zero consequences coming from this. If she is fired, she won't be for this.

The only person something like this ever truly hurt was Chyna but that was due to different circumstances (she did some weird stuff).

 

[d_henderson1810]

Well, there's a lot to dissect here regarding double standards.

Let's start with the obvious...Paige had a lot of negative strikes against her prior to this. She has been reported as having attitude problems, she's had mounting injuries, she's aligned herself with someone who the company has beef with, has made appearances alongside him at rival companies events, and has failed 2 (of a maximum 3) wellness strikes. So before anyone acts like this is the same thing as Seth, it totally isn't. Seth had absolutely perfect marks from everyone in the company, and was well on his way to being champ (thus holding MITB) before his enraged girlfriend posted those images.

Back to Paige... even with all those strikes against her, the fact that the Rock and WWE studios were making a movie about her family, indicates that their intent was to mend fences and move in a positive direction with her after this all got sorted out.

BUT...then this happened.

This is a difficult situation to handle. Triple H's rationale for why Chyna can never be in the Hall Of Fame is because his daughter's couldn't google her....well. Sex is normal, it's human, we all do it, and yes it was her private property that was stolen, so obviously she shouldn't be fired for that, at least not initially.

But then as the leaks went out, things got more questionable. Her having sex with Brad is one thing, he's not even with the company anymore.

The two that are gonna be problematic, are the one of her and Xavier with Brad filming them, because while it's none of our business, it has just taken the image of one of the most squeaky clean personalities on the roster, someone who is HEAVILY invested in, with merchandise, up up down down, the cereal, the ice cream, now hosting WrestleMania, and totally damaged his perception. Whether it was personal, stolen, whatever...it's out there now. If Donald Trump did something questionable in secret, and it later leaked, would the country just accept it and move on because they weren't supposed to see it? Clearly not, because that's not how it works in real life.

I think far and away the image that has killed her career though, is the one of (presumably) Brad Maddox, blowing his load on the NXT Women's Title. If Vince was mad about Medusa/Alundra trashing the belt on TV, could you imagine how incensed he must be over this one? This is a disgrace of the symbol they use to signify the employees they put their most faith in. I highly doubt it's the first time something like it has happened, but it is the first time it's happened publicly.

So, do I think there's a double standard if Paige receives repercussions that Seth or Xavier didn't/don't? Not really. Because she had already been on the thinnest ice imaginable before any of this happened, where as the two of them had been model employees up to the point their incidents occurred, and even what they did in their respective leaks, don't really compare to hers.

Do I think there's a double standard in the amount of attention this is getting, versus Seth's? Probably, but then again, Seth's was only a couple of pictures of himself, not engaged in the act, and realistically WWE's audience is primarily made up of young heterosexual men, so of course it's going to attract more attention, that's just human nature.

1) Let's look at the problems that WWE allegedly have with Paige.

(i) Injuries:- How is that her fault? Injuries happen because it is a contact sport, and often it is someone's opponent not executing the move properly which causes it. I didn't see Cena, Orton or Seth being punished for being injured and missing Wrestlemania 32 last year. Injuries happen, no reason to hold it against the person injured.

(ii) Her association with Del Rio:- Here are two adults who embark on a relationship. Why is that WWE's business? Many WWE superstars hook up with Divas. In fact, a match at Wrestlemania has John Cena and his girlfriend and the Miz and his wife. Why pick on Del Rio and Paige?

I think it is because WWE have a problem with Del Rio, because it was one of their employees who made the racist comment last time around. WWE probably didn't like that being brought to attention, and wanted to put the focus on Del Rio assaulting the employee, rather than the fact that WWE employed a bigot.

(iii) Wellness strikes are bullshit anyway. The WWE only make a big deal about the "Wellness Policy" because of the Benoit murders (even though Vince maintains that steroids had NOTHING to do with Benoit flipping out). I wonder why Cena, Triple H and many others who are obviously jacked have never had a Wellness violation. Because they don't test top stars, as it might derail an already advertised main event (I bet you no top stars will fail Wellness headed into Wrestlemania). It isn't like USADA test them. It's in-house, meaning that they choose who gets tested, and who doesn't.

Paige has failed two Wellness violations, and this has become common knowledge, because she isn't in a main Divas program at the moment. She never failed during her feud with A.J. Lee, or when she was NXT Women's Champion, or WWE Women's Champion.Wonder why. However, WWE probably used the Wellness to punish her for the Del Rio thing, as well as show the mainstream media that they are "serious" about addressing drug use. I bet Charlotte, Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, Nikki Bella, Alexis Bliss etc don't get Wellness violations until they are way down the pecking order either.
(By the way, did you know that Randy Orton has failed Wellness at least FOUR times, but because he is a big star, his dad is a HoFer, and TNA would sign him up if WWE sacked him, he is kept on the roster, and the violations kept quiet. Also, Chris Benoit had three strikes, but Vince offered him a new contract, because Jarrett bragged about signing Benoit (as well as Jericho, who was a free agent at the time, after he already had signed Kurt Angle), in a planned raid of WWE talent by TNA. This was just before Benoit killed Nancy, Daniel and himself, so Vince knew that Benoit had a steroid problem, and did nothing to stop it.

It is the Rock alone making the Paige movie. I believe WWE has little involvement themselves, and they are only allowing it to keep in good with the Rock, so he will do appearances and give WWE mainstream publicity.

 

[d_henderson1810]

I don't think Vince honestly cares that much. This stuff has happened in the past and it blows over. I see zero consequences coming from this. If she is fired, she won't be for this.

The only person something like this ever truly hurt was Chyna but that was due to different circumstances (she did some weird stuff).

The funny thing is, it is around Wrestlemania time, and if this was ten years ago, not only would WWE not have a problem with nude images of Paige, they would encourage her to do Playboy, and bring it out around Wrestlemania. She would also probably do a Wrestlemania match against the Women's Champion (since the Playboy model always got a WM title shot, whether she deserved it or not. Why do you think Maria Kallelis and Ashley Massaro got more Wrestlemania matches than someone like Mickie James)?

So, WWE are hypocrites, as ten years ago, they would embrace this (in fact, a Paige Playboy spread would probably be one of the biggest selling ever of WWE Divas). But, because they are PC and pander to sponsors and advertisers, they poo poo anyone doing something which they happily embraced during the "Attitude Era", and some of you condemning Paige would have got off on back then as well.

 

[Loveless]

No that's not what I said at all. Where did I said it was a green light for bad things to happen to her.

What I said was as a famous person, she has to be more careful than the average person on the street. No one wants to hack into the guy next door's social media account, it's not exciting enough and no one else would care. If if the guy or gal next door is Paige then yea, she's well known and and if something like this is found it becomes newsworthy for a certain segment of the population who follow wrestling.

It's not like this hasn't happened before to a famous person who has had a sex tape released. Whoever filmed this or whoever's idea it was should have been more careful. Now I'm not saying that the hacker was right, of course they weren't, but if you leave things there for them to find, they will find it and use it. Better off putting it somewhere where no one can get their hands on it.

It's the same principle. Blame the victim and tell them not to do something they're perfectly entitled to do, excusing the person who has actually broken the law. The argument that "She's famous so it's her own fault" is as despicable as "She was drunk and wearing a short skirt" and as stupid as "If you didn't want your house burgled, you shouldn't have such nice stuff".
She has a reasonable right to, and expectation of, privacy and the contents of her phone/email etc should fall far within those rights. Famous or not.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

It's the same principle. Blame the victim and tell them not to do something they're perfectly entitled to do, excusing the person who has actually broken the law.

It is also wrong to say someone is saying something that they didn't say but I'm not sympathetic to Navi because she is smart enough to know that some of you guys can't comprehend words.

The argument that "She's famous so it's her own fault" is as despicable as "She was drunk and wearing a short skirt"

Are you comparing hacking victims with rape victims? What the fuck?

and as stupid as "If you didn't want your house burgled, you shouldn't have such nice stuff".

Stuff has utility, keeping three or four year old homemade amateur porn is kind of, well I don't know what it kind of is.

She has a reasonable right to, and expectation of, privacy and the contents of her phone/email etc should fall far within those rights. Famous or not.

No shit, we're just not sympathetic to her cause. I don't see anyone who wants her to get fired but I know if it happens i will understand. She is a wellness violating, trouble making, submission sister, who fell far back on the pecking order of the women's division. I would kind of find it reasonable if WWE fired her.

 

[stingray11214]

I think people need to realize that it does not matter who leaked the videos and why. The problem was that these videos and pictures were MADE while Paige, Woods, and Mr. Klutts (Brad Maddox) were under the employ of WWE. Since Maddox is gone, the guns are squarely aimed at Paige and Xavier Woods. I can gurantee you that WWE would be amiss if they did not have a "morals clause" in every contract. Their shareholders would demand nothing less.

There are those here that believe little retribution will happen. That depends on two people: The two eldest daughters of Stephanie and Trips. The minutes Steph/Trips receive a phone call from a crying daughter or a concerned school official, Paige and Woods are history. I can guarantee that their classmates know that their family is WWE. I can also guarantee that some of them have a big brother that showed them Paige's video and pics. One of their fellow 5th Graders will probably show them a picture or video from their phones. Want to see a 10yo girl freak out? Now, before you say "No boy will do that!" I will call "Bullshit!" We were all kids. We all know what went down on the playground and in the lunchrooms. I could be very wrong about this. But, kids are kids. If this touches the McMahon grandchildren in any way, shape or form, the hammer will drop on Paige, Woods, and possibly end the New Day. Only time will tell.

 

[Xemmy]

It's the same principle. Blame the victim and tell them not to do something they're perfectly entitled to do, excusing the person who has actually broken the law. The argument that "She's famous so it's her own fault" is as despicable as "She was drunk and wearing a short skirt" and as stupid as "If you didn't want your house burgled, you shouldn't have such nice stuff".
She has a reasonable right to, and expectation of, privacy and the contents of her phone/email etc should fall far within those rights. Famous or not.

To add to this: We know you didn't say it directly, Navi. But you're making the argument that famous people should't complain when their things are taken and that they should be more careful. Which is putting more responsibility on the victim than it is the criminal. It's already a given that people should keep their stuff safe. But you sound a lot more upset with Paige than the criminal in this situation. You're putting more fault on her end. And that is the definition of victim blaming.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

To add to this: We know you didn't say it directly, Navi. But you're making the argument that famous people should't complain when their things are taken

Where did she say this?

and that they should be more careful.

They should be more careful. If you are more likely to be victimized by something you should be more careful. This is fact. It would be insensitive to say this to Paige's face right now but it is not wrong to say on some stupid internet forum.

Which is putting more responsibility on the victim than it is the criminal.

No, Paige is the subject of this thread so she is the one being discussed. It doesn't mean the hacker is less at fault. The hacker is just less worthwhile for discussion.

It's already a given that people should keep their stuff safe.

So you agree that Paige fucked up to some degree. Be sure to reply to yourself about how you are saying that you are blaming the victim.

But you sound a lot more upset with Paige than the criminal in this situation. You're putting more fault on her end. And that is the definition of victim blaming.

Again, Paige is the topic of discussion therefore she is the one being discussed. Go start a thread about the hacker and I'm sure you will get more discussion about the hacker.

And I don't think any of us are upset with Paige. We're just kind of apathetic.

 

[Xemmy]

It is also wrong to say someone is saying something that they didn't say but I'm not sympathetic to Navi because she is smart enough to know that some of you guys can't comprehend words.



Are you comparing hacking victims with rape victims? What the fuck?




Stuff has utility, keeping three or four year old homemade amateur porn is kind of, well I don't know what it kind of is.



No shit, we're just not sympathetic to her cause. I don't see anyone who wants her to get fired but I know if it happens i will understand. She is a wellness violating, trouble making, submission sister, who fell far back on the pecking order of the women's division. I would kind of find it reasonable if WWE fired her.

Well, showing the world a woman's naked body without her consent is definitely screwed up, and it's certainly in the same ballpark as rape as far as category. She wasn't physically harrassed or harmed. It's not equal. But it's fair to compare it and use it as an example of logic. And it doesn't matter why she kept it. She's allowed to keep that 4 year old porn. It's not a sin, and it doesn't matter if it has utility. It's her's.

And as we get to the end of your comment, we find the meat of this. You don't like her. Right and wrong don't really matter here to you. Because she's got a wild private life, you think that she has it coming. And that logic ignores so many other talents getting away with similar activities.

 

[ShinChan]

Damn.

The moment I think that Paige's career couldn't get any worse,this happens. I feel sad for her though as this shouldn't happen with anyone. Don't know what her future in WWE is. But controversies keep adding in her life and that's not a good thing.

Also, technology is always good if used in some limits. Crossing limits and get ready for some repercussions. And I don't intend to say that Paige deserved it or something. But you have to be careful because this world is full of people who want to take unfair advantage anytime possible.

 

[therockiswwf]

The funny thing is, it is around Wrestlemania time, and if this was ten years ago, not only would WWE not have a problem with nude images of Paige, they would encourage her to do Playboy, and bring it out around Wrestlemania. She would also probably do a Wrestlemania match against the Women's Champion (since the Playboy model always got a WM title shot, whether she deserved it or not. Why do you think Maria Kallelis and Ashley Massaro got more Wrestlemania matches than someone like Mickie James)?

So, WWE are hypocrites, as ten years ago, they would embrace this (in fact, a Paige Playboy spread would probably be one of the biggest selling ever of WWE Divas). But, because they are PC and pander to sponsors and advertisers, they poo poo anyone doing something which they happily embraced during the "Attitude Era", and some of you condemning Paige would have got off on back then as well.

They aren't really hypocrites. They just don't do that stuff anymore. They have never come out and said Playboy is evil. Just because Paige does stuff like those videos doesn't mean she wants the whole world to see this stuff.

If Vince was a hypocrite, he would fire Paige despite also having a video on his icloud of him banging Brad Maddox.

Also, I'm not sure what your point is or what this has to do with my post.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Well, showing the world a woman's naked body without her consent is definitely screwed up,

Agreed

and it's certainly in the same ballpark as rape as far as category.

Is it? Say that in front of a rape victim and Paige and let me know how that works out.

She wasn't physically harrassed or harmed. It's not equal. But it's fair to compare it and use it as an example of logic. And it doesn't matter why she kept it. She's allowed to keep that 4 year old porn. It's not a sin, and it doesn't matter if it has utility. It's her's.

Where did I say she couldn't keep her porn?

And as we get to the end of your comment, we find the meat of this. You don't like her.

Not true. How much do you like her?

Right and wrong don't really matter here to you.

Kind of except I'm struggling to figure out who is right in this situation. My guess is no one.

Because she's got a wild private life, you think that she has it coming.

Fuck off, you're so off base here you sound like a child. I'm about as liberal as they come when it comes to a woman living the life they want. I'm just not going to shed a tear when that freedom has a consequence like a hack and video leak. I'm a dude on the internet, not a cop or a judge.

And that logic ignores so many other talents getting away with similar activities.

I don't care what she does in her private life. She is a grown adult and can do what she wants. I just don't have it in me to be sympathetic to her.

 

[Xemmy]

Where did she say this?

"If you want to have sex and film it then you shouldn't be surprised if one day it ends up on the internet for everyone unfortunately to see."
Again, as you quoted. I'm aware the Navi didn't directly victim blame. But it's the argument that's being made.

They should be more careful. If you are more likely to be victimized by something you should be more careful. This is fact. It would be insensitive to say this to Paige's face right now but it is not wrong to say on some stupid internet forum.

It's a given. That's point. You can tell any famous victim that they should be more careful when anything bad happens to them. If she had been robbed or stabbed, you could just say she should have been more careful- she's famous, and therefore more likely to be the victim of a crazed stalker fan. But what good is it to say "Well she should have taken precautions"? It doesn't make it any less wrong, and it doesn't make it her fault either. People should be taught to take precautions. But this is the aftermath. That precaution's teaching phase is over and done with. It doesn't make her any less of a victim or any more at fault. And saying it on a forum rather than to her face doesn't make you any less of a Captain Hindsight.

No, Paige is the subject of this thread so she is the one being discussed. It doesn't mean the hacker is less at fault. The hacker is just less worthwhile for discussion.

As long as we want to get technical here, the subject is the double standard. If you think Paige is all we're talking about here, please go take some Tylenol to bring your fever down.

So you agree that Paige fucked up to some degree. Be sure to reply to yourself about how you are saying that you are blaming the victim.

No. Agreeing that someone could have been more careful isn't victim blaming. Focusing on it, and making it your big point with regards to a crime, is.

Again, Paige is the topic of discussion therefore she is the one being discussed. Go start a thread about the hacker and I'm sure you will get more discussion about the hacker.

See above.

And I don't think any of us are upset with Paige. We're just kind of apathetic.

You dislike her, and it's made you apathetic to something bad that happened to her. And that's fine. But at the end of the day, this is a double standard. Paige hasn't done anything that hasn't been done before by other champions.

 

[Xemmy]

Agreed



Is it? Say that in front of a rape victim and Paige and let me know how that works out.



Where did I say she couldn't keep her porn?



Not true. How much do you like her?



Kind of except I'm struggling to figure out who is right in this situation. My guess is no one.



Fuck off, you're so off base here you sound like a child. I'm about as liberal as they come when it comes to a woman living the life they want. I'm just not going to shed a tear when that freedom has a consequence like a hack and video leak. I'm a dude on the internet, not a cop or a judge.



I don't care what she does in her private life. She is a grown adult and can do what she wants. I just don't have it in me to be sympathetic to her.

I've had this discussion with a rape victim. I know that's awfully convienent, but here me out. It may not mean that much to you, but having your naked body exposed to the world against your will is a sex crime, not just simple data theft. You just said having her body exposed for the world to see is just a consequence of having freedom in her private life. So how off base am I? You don't have to have sympathy for her. But you could do a little more to make it sound less like being hacked and having your nudes leaked is just part of the natural order.

Look. I'm being more of an ass here than a should be. So I'm sorry about that. It's not healthy debate. But you really like to ignore the nuance in discussion, and it's frustrating.

 

[Xemmy]

If Donald Trump did something questionable in secret, and it later leaked, would the country just accept it and move on because they weren't supposed to see it? Clearly not, because that's not how it works in real life.

Dude, that happened. He spoke at length on tape in private about trying to cheat on his wife with a married woman, groping women without permission, and tic tacs. It was released, and we elected him President a month later. So. I guess that is how society works?

 

[Garak]

There is a double standard; I'd agree. The problem is, this situation will make the double standard worse, and not better. Guys can be pigs and no one is surprised. The Women's Revolution was supposed to be something big, and was really getting some momentum. They're not called Divas any longer. They've been main eventing.

Once again, though, we have a little fuel to the fire for those that claim that women are only on tour to be entertainment for the men. The women's revolution has taken a backwards step.

Fortunately, though, it could have been worse, and been someone who actually still has some relevance. I would suspect that most people who do follow the business are just dismissing this as Paige being immature and silly again, and really don't care.

If anything, this gives her some publicity, and maybe they won't want to be so quick to fire her, unless something else pops up. Of course, that's the other danger. Does management really want to wait for the next wellness violation, or her to say something obnoxious, or support Del Rio too publicly?

 

[sikkbones]

Anyone think paige may have leaked these herself to get out of her contract?

I can't see her being happy with the wwe either way right now.

 

[Navi]

Anyone think paige may have leaked these herself to get out of her contract?

I can't see her being happy with the wwe either way right now.

I seriously doubt it. There were other people that are still employed with the company on those tapes apparently. Even if she wanted out of her contract it would be unfair to jeopardize their jobs as well. She doesn't strike me as that type of a person.

If she wants out all she has to do is ask for her release.

 

[d_henderson1810]

They aren't really hypocrites. They just don't do that stuff anymore. They have never come out and said Playboy is evil. Just because Paige does stuff like those videos doesn't mean she wants the whole world to see this stuff.

If Vince was a hypocrite, he would fire Paige despite also having a video on his icloud of him banging Brad Maddox.

Also, I'm not sure what your point is or what this has to do with my post.

The hypocrisy is for WWE pretending to be offended when they advertised soft porn (in the form of a "Playboy" magazine spread) readily to promote Wrestlemania for a few years.

It isn't like WWE suddenly got a conscience. We remember the "Attitude Era", where Vince himself was front and centre in a storyline where Trish crawled around and barked like a dog, while in lingerie. The only reason this is a problem now is because Vince wants the kiddie dollar, and to appease sponsors and advertisers, and the media who are looking at anything to hit WWE with since the Benoit murders.

Why not give Paige "paid" leave for a while, leave her off screen, and then bring her back when someone else is in a porn scandal instead? This way, you are seen to "do the right thing" but keeping a valuable employee as well.

Also, the whole thing with Steph and Tripper's kids looking on google for it. Hey, why not just access the Network, and they can see daddy make out with a corpse, or drug mummy and marry her without consent on-screen.

The ONLY reason Trips and Steph don't want their kids finding out about Chyna, isn't because of her porn, but because mummy stole daddy off her.

 

[Navi]

To add to this: We know you didn't say it directly, Navi. But you're making the argument that famous people should't complain when their things are taken and that they should be more careful. Which is putting more responsibility on the victim than it is the criminal. It's already a given that people should keep their stuff safe. But you sound a lot more upset with Paige than the criminal in this situation. You're putting more fault on her end. And that is the definition of victim blaming.

Really, seriously where did I say that famous people shouldn't complain? I said they shouldn't be surprised, totally different. And as someone who is well known she should be more careful with what she wants out in the public eye and what she doesn't. That's not putting blame on her, that's her responsibility as there are people out there, as I will say again, go looking for that kind of shit. They don't as I said go looking for the guy who lives around the corner's sex tapes.

And I do believe I did say the person who did this was an asshole with way too much time on their hands. If they ever find out who it is bring charges against them, I would support that. I'm not upset with Paige where do you get that from?

You are reading a lot of things into what I say that aren't there and putting your own spin on this. You can stop doing that as I think I'm pretty clear and have a good command of the English language.

 

[Xemmy]

Really, seriously where did I say that famous people shouldn't complain? I said they shouldn't be surprised, totally different. And as someone who is well known she should be more careful with what she wants out in the public eye and what she doesn't. That's not putting blame on her, that's her responsibility as there are people out there, as I will say again, go looking for that kind of shit. They don't as I said go looking for the guy who lives around the corner's sex tapes.

And I do believe I did say the person who did this was an asshole with way too much time on their hands. If they ever find out who it is bring charges against them, I would support that. I'm not upset with Paige where do you get that from?

You are reading a lot of things into what I say that aren't there and putting your own spin on this. You can stop doing that as I think I'm pretty clear and have a good command of the English language.

I'm not deliberately trying to spin what you say. You know I don't have anything against you. You started your comment by calling her a stupid bitch. That kind of indicates your feelings towards her.

And whenever someone is told "You shouldn't be surprised 'insert bad thing here' happened to you", it's always used as a way to tell someone to quit whining, because they brought it on themselves. Unless the emotion of surprise actually somehow irks you (which no one's expressed in this situation), I don't see another way to interpret it.

 

[ilapierre]

I hate how we as a society just accept official narratives as truth and just build our reasonings and arguments on them without question. For instance, we just accept what the reporters of news claim as absolute fact. We get into arguments with each other because we all have varying degrees of what we accept or don't accept as absolute.

What do we know for sure? We know that there is a video circulating of Paige, Woods and Maddux and a fourth photographer. We know there are pictures. We know that there are pornograhic style videos and photos taken by third and fourth parties during sexual acts. We know that Paige is pretty kinky and likes to film her sex and have multiple people involved. How do we know this? There's video proof of this!

What don't we know 100 percent? We DON'T know that Paige's phone was hacked. We were just told it was by Paige and family and the corporations protecting their business interests..Why don't we know it was hacked? Because that's just their word. There's no PROOF they're telling the truth (but for some reason we all just assume everyone is like 'us' and no one would ever want their sexual acts going public). Why wasn't this video released when Paige was appearing on TV for publicly traded WWE? It was released once Paige had been suspended twice and was on bad terms with the company. She's out there participating on independents or whatever. People have essentially 'forgotten' her and WWE doesn't want her back and then video pops up (just before the New Day hosts Wrestlemania). It essentially puts Paige back into the public consciousness. Brand resurrected! Seriously though, common sense dictates that somebody who is beautiful and kinky and welcomes random photographers into her sex life would love their beautiful and sexy 'professional' photos and videos circulating and generating attention! *As long as it is all portrayed as an accident or an infringement of privacy. If it is done in this manner, the so-called victim retains some sort of dignity and class while all of us perverts watching it can feel like we've hit the jackpot. However, if it was known that Paige or one of these men released these videos and pictures for their own gratification it would all just come across lame (remember Chyna/XPac) and we'd all be badmouthing them for wanting that sort of perverted attention. The social engineering experts have long known how to manipulate the viewing public and tactfully deliver when it comes to circulating celebrity sex. It's worked with the Kardashians, Britney Paris Hilton, Justin Bieber Lindsay Lohan etc. These women were never victims..They were clearly active participants purposely selling themselves under the guise of privacy infringement. And seriously, does anyone anywhere actually believe Kim Kardashian was robbed in Paris at gunpoint?

Another thing..We all just assume anybody can hack anyone at any time. Yet it's EXTREMELY hard these days to hack anything yet the narrative we've been fed is that EVERYONE in WWE and even in show business has their twitter or social media hacked regularly. I don't think I know one person in my real life that ever had a problem with hacking and their photos revealed to the world lol. It just doesn't happen. So we just ASSUME some sleazy man online hacked Paige's phone and therefore we should all be concerned about our cell phone security. But there's no proof at all that we should be. That's just another faulty assumption based on this carefully crafted narrative that we're supposed to believe.

Bottom line: Paige is kinky. Paige has random sex. Paige has third party men taking pornographic style close up money shots of her kooch. We know this. And really who does this? Seriously. What can we deduce based on the evidence? Paige is simply participating in porn and based on the evidence she obviously gets off on sharing herself in third party situations aka public. I would argue Paige, like many of the other so-called celebrity victims in the world, is getting a massive pay day participating for some of these fake 'alternative' sites that had these photos and videos all set and ready to go Friday. We shouldn't all publicly pretend to be shocked and feel sorry for her and her family while we're privately jerking off. These leaks were calculated.

 

[sikkbones]

I seriously doubt it. There were other people that are still employed with the company on those tapes apparently. Even if she wanted out of her contract it would be unfair to jeopardize their jobs as well. She doesn't strike me as that type of a person.

If she wants out all she has to do is ask for her release.

You mean woods? Maddox, the likely leaker, is long gone.

 

[Navi]

I'm not deliberately trying to spin what you say. You know I don't have anything against you. You started your comment by calling her a stupid bitch. That kind of indicates your feelings towards her.

And whenever someone is told "You shouldn't be surprised 'insert bad thing here' happened to you", it's always used as a way to tell someone to quit whining, because they brought it on themselves. Unless the emotion of surprise actually somehow irks you (which no one's expressed in this situation), I don't see another way to interpret it.

And I have nothing against you either, but she was stupid or irresponsible to keep 4 year old sex tapes on her phone. People who are well known, famous if you want don't live the same way you or I do. You just can't walk up to their homes and invite yourself in. They live behind walls and in gated communities, streets where you need to be on a list in order to even drive down. Look at someone like Floyd Mayweather, he travels surrounded by security guards, you can't get near him. There is a reason why.

When you are famous there are some who will always want a piece of you. Is it jealously or do these hackers just want to be included in that person's life, I don't know. But most well known people take steps to ensure that hackers, stalkers whatever can't get to them. It's a bitch, but it comes with the territory. That's where she became lax, she has to protect what she does more so than let's say you or me. People don't know us and they don't care. If I made a sex tape, God forbid, no one would go looking for it, because no one knows who I am. Even if they found it they would laugh hysterically and go on to the next one. Now do you see what I mean.

You mean woods? Maddox, the likely leaker, is long gone.

You asked if Paige leaked it in order to get our of her contract, and I gave you an answer? No not when the tape involved another employee or employees. I don't think she's the kind of person who would take others down with her if the WWE decided to fire them. If you want to get yourself fired or released that's one thing. Not cool to put someone else in that position though.

 

[justinsayne]

If you're famous & storing your recorded sex acts on the fucking cloud after it's been hacked numerous times & it's contents leaked for the world to see, then you're dumb as fuck, & I have no sympathy for you, end of story.