Ongoing Thread For Smarmy Spam Responses to the WZT

[SSJPhenom]

I can't remember a time Undi went over Bret, period.

You're right. 'Taker has never pinned Bret on TV. Can't deny that one, however, Bret has never beaten 'Taker without someone's help. 'Taker has even broken the Sharpshooter more than once. Something very few men, if any, have done.

So unless people's argument is going to be that Diesel or HBK or someone is going to get involved, then 'Taker should go over.

 

[Thriller Ant]

You're right. 'Taker has never pinned Bret on TV. Can't deny that one, however, Bret has never beaten 'Taker without someone's help. 'Taker has even broken the Sharpshooter more than once. Something very few men, if any, have done.

So unless people's argument is going to be that Diesel or HBK or someone is going to get involved, then 'Taker should go over.

But he's never beaten Bret, period. That trumps anything else.

 

[Danger Burger]

But he's never beaten Bret, period. That trumps anything else.

You should refer back to the different components thing that Norcal posted.

If drawing is only a part, then kayfabe is only a part. And Bret barely (subjectivity, yeah?) has faced a prime 'taker, the dudes improved leaps and bounds after, what, One night only? Their last significant match?

This is no debate, save that for the tourney, but anyone not using multiple factors in picking winners will have their arguements picked apart by those that do.

 

[Nate DaMac]

If I'm not mistaken, the next round will be Punk vs. Cena and Flair vs. Race in the ECW Region.

 

[Thriller Ant]

You should refer back to the different components thing that Norcal posted.

If drawing is only a part, then kayfabe is only a part. And Bret barely (subjectivity, yeah?) has faced a prime 'taker, the dudes improved leaps and bounds after, what, One night only? Their last significant match?

This is no debate, save that for the tourney, but anyone not using multiple factors in picking winners will have their arguements picked apart by those that do.

I'm not trying to ignore either aspect, I just think it's dumb of him to downplay the drawing aspect (even though I'm not sure either guy has a huge advantage there) when Undi never beat Bret.

 

[Thriller Ant]

If I'm not mistaken, the next round will be Punk vs. Cena and Flair vs. Race in the ECW Region.

You are. It's Cena vs. Race.

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=252583

 

[Nate DaMac]

The seeding is different than what I'm used to, then. Normally the #1 seed would get the lowest remaining seed, which is Punk.

 

[Thriller Ant]

The seeding is different than what I'm used to, then. Normally the #1 seed would get the lowest remaining seed, which is Punk.

It goes like the NCAA tourney. 1 would face 4, 2 would face 3. If there's an upset, they just replace who would've gone. Since Punk beat the 3 seed (Shawn), he faces the 2 seed or whoever is there instead.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Also, why are we arguing about Taker vs. Bret? Bret was better in the ring, a better draw, a better talker, and Undertaker has never beaten him on TV. How much more of a slam dunk case do you need?

 

[Shocky]

Royal Rumble 1996 Taker beat Bret via DQ.

Summerslam 1997 is the only other TV match I can think of, and Bret can thank a well placed chairshot for that victory.

By the way, both of those matches are well worth the watch. Both men work excellent together.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Also, why are we arguing about Taker vs. Bret? Bret was better in the ring, a better draw, a better talker, and Undertaker has never beaten him on TV. How much more of a slam dunk case do you need?

I don't hate Bret but I didn't enjoy a lot of his success. He is just like Edge for me in that way. It made sense that he ascended and I was happy for him but the level and length of his success never worked for me. I remember the announcement of his 20 year contract and also remember shaking my head and wondering why Vince would pick Bret for that honor.

It's hard to vote for a guy that I feel is overrated. I'm sure I underrate him since I think other overrate him so much but oh well. On top of that the UT is no slouch and still relevant as we speak.

In the end there will be other factors that drive my voting but I wouldn't call it a slam dunk. I'm also white and not that tall so the concept of slam dunking is pretty foreign to me.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

I predict the fireworks come from Flair vs. Punk, Race vs. Cena, and HHH vs Warrior.

Warrior beat HHH in 2 minutes at Wrestlemania. Just sayin'

 

[PsychoBlack]

I predict the fireworks come from Flair vs. Punk, Race vs. Cena, and HHH vs Warrior.

Warrior beat HHH in 2 minutes at Wrestlemania. Just sayin'

He beat the blue blood Hunter Hearst Helmsley in 1995, not The Game HHH in 2000

 

[SSJPhenom]

I'm not trying to ignore either aspect, I just think it's dumb of him to downplay the drawing aspect (even though I'm not sure either guy has a huge advantage there) when Undi never beat Bret.

I'm not down playing drawing power at all. I'm simply saying that drawing power isn't the be all end all in this tournament. There's more to look at than just one's ability to draw.

If drawing power was everything, again Austin and Hogan would trade victories every year.

 

[Nate DaMac]

So when are we continuing this bitch?

 

[Shocky]

Undertaker vs. Hogan is looking inevitable at this point. That's the one match Hogan can lose.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

Undertaker vs. Hogan is looking inevitable at this point. That's the one match Hogan can lose.

I can't think of a gimmick that favors Hogan except for a Buried Alive match.

 

[Big Sexy]

Hogan vs Taker won't be a gimmick match, this is the last gimmick round.

 

[SSJPhenom]

Hogan vs Taker won't be a gimmick match, this is the last gimmick round.

Doesn't matter.

'Taker has beaten Hogan for the WWE Title twice and neither of those were gimmick matches.

 

[Big Sexy]

Doesn't matter.

'Taker has beaten Hogan for the WWE Title twice and neither of those were gimmick matches.

Taker won the first time via interference and the second time was when Hogan was 48 years old. This is Hogan in his prime and Ric Flair won't be making any appearances with chairs.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Only things I remember about their first match is Flair's awesome robe and Hogan popping up from that tombstone.

 

[Tastycles]

Of the seven matches remaining, few are going to be close.

Santo vs Sammartino is going to be the least posted in thread in quarterfinal history. Sammartino has about two supporters, and Shattered Dreams and I will have the exact same argument we've had about Santo in the last three rounds, before Sammartino wins by a hefty margin.

Hogan will probably lose to Taker, but it will be the closest of the round.

Triple H vs Andre is a hard one to predict, but I think Andre will pull it off, just about.

Cena vs Flair is a foregone conclusion for Cena.

That leaves me with Taker vs Bruno Sammartino and Cena vs Andre the Giant. Sammartino will have a chance against Taker, albeit a slim one. Cena will beat Andre, with numerous "Hogan of his day" comparisons.

That makes for a Taker/Sammartino vs John Cena final, and either way, I see this being Cena's year.

John Cena winning an IWC greatest ever wrestler tournament. Who'd a thunk it?

 

[shattered dreams]

I have no interest in arguing Sammartino over Santo. Viva the Saint. I hope Hogan beats Taker. Sammartino would have no chance against Taker for the same reason that Cena was always one of the odds on favorites. If HHH beats Andre I am going to be pissed. Not sure if I will be more or less pissed than when the Andre-Cena match is littered with Big Show clips. It's a damn shame Cena-Flair will be reduced to the lowest common denominator.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

Why oh why do people feel the need to constantly repeat something that all the other posters have already mentioned in a thread?

I'm fairly sure that each comment in the Santo - Sammartino thread has paraphrased, "If you voted Santo because he was in Mexico, you have to vote Sammartino in North East America."

And no, the irony of me repeating the oft-repeated phrase isn't lost on me.

 

[Dirk]

Santo v Sammartino. Two guys I have never seen wrestle. You guys think anybody is stopping Bruno after this round? Will he win, because the WWE's on his dick this year? We, the IWC, aren't impressionable at all...