TNA Championship Committee wtf i didnt even know they had 1 reminds me of the nwa a bunch of old guys politic and decide who is champ any way vote wolfe a few times then did more important things like feed my fish cuz theres noway in hell im going to believe they will let fans decide that but i understand why they ould do this make the fans feel like they are ( side note imagine if vince did this who would me champ ) sounds like a a new topic of convo cena would never be champ ever again
[Official] TNA Top-10 Rankings Discussion Thread
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Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
I thought the TNA Ranking System that Bischoff talked about was quite underwhelming and, as I figured, didn't nearly live up to the hype. Bischoff's system is to include the opinions of fans in an online vote that will be taken into consideration along with "TNA's Championship Committee" on a monthly basis to determine the top contenders for the TNA World Championship. I didn't really expect much from this and that's about what I got. Remember, Bischoff didn't say that only the votes of the fans would count, their vote would be taken into consideration by the "Championship Committee". What I think that means is that, despite the results, TNA is ultimately going to put who they want up for title shots regardless of what the fans think. I believe the only way that the fans will make an impact is if whomever ges the most votes happens to be the same person that the "Championship Committee" feels is deserving. Yeah, this whole thing smells of bullshit.
Mr Kickass
New Member
Desmond Wolfe gets my vote because he is highly under utilized.
Even if he doesn't get the shot at least TNA will maybe realize how popular the guy really is with fans and have him quit jobbing
Even if he doesn't get the shot at least TNA will maybe realize how popular the guy really is with fans and have him quit jobbing
JackBurton
Pre-Show Stalwart
Jobbing and putting someone over are 2 very, very different things. Maybe in the fantasy land, where moonsaults draw 300,000 dollar houses that the IWC lives in, they are the same. In the real world - they're not.
I voted once for each of my favorite 10 wrestlers. Wolfe was among them. Might not be ready for a major push yet but hes definitely a huge asset
HBKStreakbuster
Occasional Pre-Show
I voted for Jeff Hardy because he was the top dawg with the fans and kids in the top company, and if TNA had any clue they would build him up as their #1 star. No, he isn't the most gifted in the ring, but the name Jeff Hardy will get people to watch, I'm sure there are many younger WWE fans who dont even realize he is in TNA. Once they do many will make the switch....WWE has gotten very stale since HBK retired
I voted for.......
MISTARRRRRRRRRRRRR ANDERSON!!!!!!!!Anderson
I think he is the best heel they have currently.. I would love to see him in the title scene.
I voted for Desmond too his style and charsima is something that SHOULD be a leader of a stable NOT a lacky! (then again most start off as lackys anyways.. (Triple H, Flair, The Rock, etc all didn't start as leaders)
(yeah I voted twice)
What surprises me is.....
ROB TERRY!!! has more votes than Abyss, Jeff Jarrett and Kurt Angle.! WTF!!!
MISTARRRRRRRRRRRRR ANDERSON!!!!!!!!Anderson
I think he is the best heel they have currently.. I would love to see him in the title scene.
I voted for Desmond too his style and charsima is something that SHOULD be a leader of a stable NOT a lacky! (then again most start off as lackys anyways.. (Triple H, Flair, The Rock, etc all didn't start as leaders)
(yeah I voted twice)
What surprises me is.....
ROB TERRY!!! has more votes than Abyss, Jeff Jarrett and Kurt Angle.! WTF!!!
I just voted Wolfe. I woulda had Ken...I mean Anderson 2nd in my eyes.
So far- Wolfe is in 1st place, about 4,800 votes ahead of 2nd place Jeff Hardy. With Anderson in a very distant 3rd place.
Id also like to add:
- Jarrett and/or Sting shouldnt be considered for a TNA WHW title match ever again. They are both well past thier primes. Sting has looked absolutely horrible since he's came back. W/O the baseball bat in his hand, he's done ZERO! While JJ has looked much better then Sting- theres still NO reason for him to ever get a HW title shot again.
- Rob Terry sucks & shouldnt be considered either. Sure- he's big! But- what else is he? Besides- shitty on the mic & even shittier in the ring. The guy cant even do a damn gorilla press correctly for christs-sake!!
- Why no Joe in the poll? I'd assume TNA realizes with him in the poll- the voting would end up like 75% Joe & everyone else splitting the other 25%? Still seems odd to not have him in there.
- No Morgan either?? I know "we" are the tag-team champs ritenow- but come-on! If its a vote for the fans- put the best guys in there to vote for! Not keeping out the guys you have in storylines already- just incase they win. Its not like TNA cant control the votes anyway!
- Kurt Angle? Why? Didnt he already tell us at the last PPV that he was taking time off? I thought it was a couple months- but cant remember fully. So why would he be a choice in the voting? If Angle were to come in 1st place- would they make him come back before he was ready? Doubtful! So- why make him a option?
So far- Wolfe is in 1st place, about 4,800 votes ahead of 2nd place Jeff Hardy. With Anderson in a very distant 3rd place.
Id also like to add:
- Jarrett and/or Sting shouldnt be considered for a TNA WHW title match ever again. They are both well past thier primes. Sting has looked absolutely horrible since he's came back. W/O the baseball bat in his hand, he's done ZERO! While JJ has looked much better then Sting- theres still NO reason for him to ever get a HW title shot again.
- Rob Terry sucks & shouldnt be considered either. Sure- he's big! But- what else is he? Besides- shitty on the mic & even shittier in the ring. The guy cant even do a damn gorilla press correctly for christs-sake!!
- Why no Joe in the poll? I'd assume TNA realizes with him in the poll- the voting would end up like 75% Joe & everyone else splitting the other 25%? Still seems odd to not have him in there.
- No Morgan either?? I know "we" are the tag-team champs ritenow- but come-on! If its a vote for the fans- put the best guys in there to vote for! Not keeping out the guys you have in storylines already- just incase they win. Its not like TNA cant control the votes anyway!
- Kurt Angle? Why? Didnt he already tell us at the last PPV that he was taking time off? I thought it was a couple months- but cant remember fully. So why would he be a choice in the voting? If Angle were to come in 1st place- would they make him come back before he was ready? Doubtful! So- why make him a option?
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
The new video with Bischoff on the rankings has a slip on it that is kind of amusing. He is talking about evaluating the company and seeing if there was enough talent there to get it where they wanted. He then shakes his head no while saying yes of course there was. You do not have to take a psychology class to figure that one out. Seemed like a large oversight on the production side there although I will concede it is not definitely a no shaking of the head even though that is what it most closely resembles.
For all those wondering why kurt angle is on the list, it seems obvious to me he should be there. It keeps his name relevant and even if he were to win (which they could likely guess he would not) its not like he has to wrestle and even if he did they could easily wait until the ppv after sacrifice which would be two months time off anyway.
For all those wondering why kurt angle is on the list, it seems obvious to me he should be there. It keeps his name relevant and even if he were to win (which they could likely guess he would not) its not like he has to wrestle and even if he did they could easily wait until the ppv after sacrifice which would be two months time off anyway.
ya know what i found interesting, i just voted. i really dont care who wins as long as it falls to Hardy, Pope, Wolfe, Anderson, Angle, or Sting. But what i found interesting was hulk is trying his hardest to push abyss, hes been winning matches left and right. But as of right now he is dead last in the poll. He comes in with only 2% of the votes. But yea i think its great that TNA is now listening to the fans, so they get a say in what matches we get, and really whos working and whos not. i also think this is great for wolfe, he has a phenomenal 25% of the votes. and is currently winning the poll. in a close second is Jeff Hardy which is obvious seeing as how he just came from the bigger company.
Desmond Wolfe
Simply because that's my boy and I selfishly want to see RVD vs. Wolfe.
Putting my own wished aside, Wolfe deserves the opportunity. He came into TNA like a one man army and made such an incredible impact. Since the Hogan takeover, Wolfe has been put on the backburner with no clear direction to his character. He deserves better than that. He is a main event guy; the total package.
Simply because that's my boy and I selfishly want to see RVD vs. Wolfe.
Putting my own wished aside, Wolfe deserves the opportunity. He came into TNA like a one man army and made such an incredible impact. Since the Hogan takeover, Wolfe has been put on the backburner with no clear direction to his character. He deserves better than that. He is a main event guy; the total package.
Ruthless-RKO
F*ck Friends, Rather die wiv ma AK!
lot of people might have voted for anderson or hardy, i'v voted for nigel...i mean desmond wolfe...i think he deserves a title shot at least, he kinda been jobbing lately, totally not cool, he should be up there and not keep fighting pope..
HBKrosstheLine
Dark Match Jobber
I also voted for Wolfe who currently is leading in votes. TNA has confirmed that the vote leader will get a shot monday at RVD. My question is, if Wolfe does indeed end up as the vote leader, will this be a one time match or a lengthy feud? I'm hoping for the the latter.
Also, I find it highly amusing Hogan's protege is dead last in voting. Hint Hint, his new character is not getting over with the fans, no matter how much we are force fed "the immortal" I mean "monster" Abyss.
Also, I find it highly amusing Hogan's protege is dead last in voting. Hint Hint, his new character is not getting over with the fans, no matter how much we are force fed "the immortal" I mean "monster" Abyss.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
So new week, new poll with more options but everyone is starting from scratch. Wolfe is narrowly ahead again. This time he is beating out Morgan, with Hardy a little further back in third. It does appear they made it slightly harder to cast multiple votes. It still is pretty easy though. I wonder how long this poll stuff will last. Seems like both driving forces, tna management and the IWC, are actually widening the divide between one another because of it. I actually thought what they did with Wolfe because of the votes was about the best we could hope for realistically. Apparently many others felt slighted. Are people voting for Wolfe again? Is it Morgan's turn to lose to RVD? Do you even care anymore?
Muffin Top Merkley
Be a man!
Once again, I voted for Desmond Wolfe.
Looking at the new list, I was amazed by who had been listed this week: Brother Ray? Brother D-Von? Rhino? I didn't even realize Rhino was still an active member of the roster.
The results are even more upsetting. Rhino has more votes than both members of Team 3D, Abyss, AJ Styles, Hernandez, Jeff Jarrett and 330 more votes than Kurt Angle. Does TNA realize that the Internet Wrestling Community has given up on this ranking system? And it's most likely due to what they did to Wolfe this week against Rob Van Dam.
I voted for Wolfe last week because I knew that his style of wrestling in a match against RVD's style would make for a very exciting back and forth match.
If I knew that TNA would not be willing to give both men the proper time that they needed to put on a decent match, I wouldn't have waisted my time voting.
Desmond Wolfe won a poll that TNA fans voted for. TNA didn't even acknowledge the fact that he won, which would have promoted the ranking system and gave it some importance and validation.
Clearly TNA fans wanted to see a match between Wolfe and RVD. For TNA to not give us the match that we asked for and instead give us Wolfe jobbing to RVD in three minutes, all because we voted differently then TNA wanted us to is ridiculous.
Looking at the new list, I was amazed by who had been listed this week: Brother Ray? Brother D-Von? Rhino? I didn't even realize Rhino was still an active member of the roster.
The results are even more upsetting. Rhino has more votes than both members of Team 3D, Abyss, AJ Styles, Hernandez, Jeff Jarrett and 330 more votes than Kurt Angle. Does TNA realize that the Internet Wrestling Community has given up on this ranking system? And it's most likely due to what they did to Wolfe this week against Rob Van Dam.
I voted for Wolfe last week because I knew that his style of wrestling in a match against RVD's style would make for a very exciting back and forth match.
If I knew that TNA would not be willing to give both men the proper time that they needed to put on a decent match, I wouldn't have waisted my time voting.
Desmond Wolfe won a poll that TNA fans voted for. TNA didn't even acknowledge the fact that he won, which would have promoted the ranking system and gave it some importance and validation.
Clearly TNA fans wanted to see a match between Wolfe and RVD. For TNA to not give us the match that we asked for and instead give us Wolfe jobbing to RVD in three minutes, all because we voted differently then TNA wanted us to is ridiculous.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
They did acknowledge Wolfe won the polling. Just because someone wins an unlimited poll on the internet does not mean those thoughts accurately reflect all of TNA's fanbase. They did not have to give the match a week after the polling started or ever. The match was too short but that might have been a live show problem or it is indeed possible they simply wanted to discourage wolfe voting. The match did not seem like jobbing to me in spite of the length. It was the main event, Wolfe got some offense and taunts in, RVD had to counter Wolfe's finisher and Wolfe lost to the champ's finisher.
So Desmond Wolfe was the #1 pick of the fans to earn a title shot using the new TNA Ranking System. He fought RVD on Impact and got squashed in under 4 minutes.
So my question is, What is the point of having this system if it is going to go week by week and give us short matches on Impact? Surely they are not going to consistently give free title changes every few weeks.
Granted, this is new and we do not really know where this is going to go, but from the looks of it, I can already smell bad news. TNA asks who we want, we answer Desmond Wolfe, and he gets crushed.
I feel like the voting should last a few weeks, let a feud develop because Wolfe is bragging he is #1 and maybe even have Hardy come out and say not so fast and have a match to give the top 2 some exposure.
I feel like the winner of the poll should earn a PPV title shot. This is the only way to make that ranking system relevant. And if TNA really wants to go by us, it is unfortunate for them because someone like Abyss is NEVER going to get voted #1(Unless TNA rigs the polls).
Thoughts?...
So my question is, What is the point of having this system if it is going to go week by week and give us short matches on Impact? Surely they are not going to consistently give free title changes every few weeks.
Granted, this is new and we do not really know where this is going to go, but from the looks of it, I can already smell bad news. TNA asks who we want, we answer Desmond Wolfe, and he gets crushed.
I feel like the voting should last a few weeks, let a feud develop because Wolfe is bragging he is #1 and maybe even have Hardy come out and say not so fast and have a match to give the top 2 some exposure.
I feel like the winner of the poll should earn a PPV title shot. This is the only way to make that ranking system relevant. And if TNA really wants to go by us, it is unfortunate for them because someone like Abyss is NEVER going to get voted #1(Unless TNA rigs the polls).
Thoughts?...
Poop Master Flex
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Personally I think the entire reason this poll was created was in the simplest terms a way for TNA to SEEM like they are getting the fans involved with the product when the real truth is nothing could be further from the truth.
TNA created this ranking system because it shows them who the FANS think is deserving of a TNA title shot, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter because most likely what they'll do is consistently squash the number 1 contender until the fans vote for someone THEY want to push. My guess is they were hoping for someone like Jeff Hardy to be voted #1 so they could create a feud between Hardy and RVD, but when the polls came out and it showed the fans actually liked WOLFE not Hardy, they gave him a title match and squashed them in hopes that they wont vote for Wolfe anymore because in THEIR minds he's not MAIN EVENT MATERIAL, even though last time I checked Wolfe was still leading the polls even after he got squashed.
If TNA was giving the fans what they wanted, they would of started to push Wolfe and start making him into a Main Event player, not letting him get squashed in 4 minutes. The Rankings really show who the fans think are DESERVING of a main event program, not necessarily who they want as champ. The polls show that the fans really like Desmond Wolfe, so then it might be a good idea to give Desmond Wolfe a real push and make him into a credible contender for the title. Since he won the poll, it shouldn't mean that he needs the title shot right then and there, but it gives him a reason to get that shot in the future (maybe at the next PPV, after you've built him into a credible contender for the title. Wolfe is AWESOME (probably my favorite TNA guy at this point) but he has spent most of his time in TNA losing his matches and feuds, the only reason he isn't fodder right now is because his skills are so good he rises above the crap they put him in).
Essentially its a way for TNA to say they are getting the fans involved and giving them what they want when the truth is they already know what they want to do and really don't give a shit what the fans want, but it looks better because they can say the FANS are choosing the contenders when really they aren't.
TNA created this ranking system because it shows them who the FANS think is deserving of a TNA title shot, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter because most likely what they'll do is consistently squash the number 1 contender until the fans vote for someone THEY want to push. My guess is they were hoping for someone like Jeff Hardy to be voted #1 so they could create a feud between Hardy and RVD, but when the polls came out and it showed the fans actually liked WOLFE not Hardy, they gave him a title match and squashed them in hopes that they wont vote for Wolfe anymore because in THEIR minds he's not MAIN EVENT MATERIAL, even though last time I checked Wolfe was still leading the polls even after he got squashed.
If TNA was giving the fans what they wanted, they would of started to push Wolfe and start making him into a Main Event player, not letting him get squashed in 4 minutes. The Rankings really show who the fans think are DESERVING of a main event program, not necessarily who they want as champ. The polls show that the fans really like Desmond Wolfe, so then it might be a good idea to give Desmond Wolfe a real push and make him into a credible contender for the title. Since he won the poll, it shouldn't mean that he needs the title shot right then and there, but it gives him a reason to get that shot in the future (maybe at the next PPV, after you've built him into a credible contender for the title. Wolfe is AWESOME (probably my favorite TNA guy at this point) but he has spent most of his time in TNA losing his matches and feuds, the only reason he isn't fodder right now is because his skills are so good he rises above the crap they put him in).
Essentially its a way for TNA to say they are getting the fans involved and giving them what they want when the truth is they already know what they want to do and really don't give a shit what the fans want, but it looks better because they can say the FANS are choosing the contenders when really they aren't.
philbrooks
Pre-Show Stalwart
Eric's attempt at a BIG CONCEPT.
I find it kind of funny that a company built around not listening to it's fans has a fan poll which ultimately they dont listen to either.
I find it kind of funny that a company built around not listening to it's fans has a fan poll which ultimately they dont listen to either.
UFOcalling
Master of the Scorpion Death Lock
I spoke about this exact subject in another thread...I think that the ranking system could be an extremely useful tool for TNA if used correctly.
Since TNA only holds Impact in Orlando, they can only gauge the fan-reaction based on those fans in the Impact-Zone. The ranking system isn't restricted to only Orlando fans, so they could use the ranking system as a way to consider who is deserving of a push...not just a title-shot.
I agree, Wolfe's match with RVD was a fucking travesty. Wolfe should have garnered a decent heel-push from his "win" in the online-poll, culminating with a PPV match a month or two down the line. Wolfe hasn't done shit since Hogan arrived, and throwing him into the main-event with no preparation seemed idiotic on the part of TNA creative. Without a proper build to Wolfe's character, no one cares...
It reminded me of WCW's heyday, when Goldberg would be fed jobbers week after week and we were supposed to believe they had a snowball's chance in hell of winning Goldie's World Title? ...give me a break.
If the last episode of Impact is a glimpse into the future of the ranking system, it seems to be the "vote for who you want to see the Champ beat in less than five mins on Impact" poll.
It's obvious that the fans want Wolfe in the title-hunt, but the match we saw on Monday was terrible. We need Wolfe's character to be built up, and we need to believe that there's a chance he could actually win. Not this thrown together at the last-second crap.
Shame on TNA for that, but there's still time to fix the mistake. It's only been a little more than a week since the ranking system has been in place, so maybe we need to be a little more patient.
Since TNA only holds Impact in Orlando, they can only gauge the fan-reaction based on those fans in the Impact-Zone. The ranking system isn't restricted to only Orlando fans, so they could use the ranking system as a way to consider who is deserving of a push...not just a title-shot.
I agree, Wolfe's match with RVD was a fucking travesty. Wolfe should have garnered a decent heel-push from his "win" in the online-poll, culminating with a PPV match a month or two down the line. Wolfe hasn't done shit since Hogan arrived, and throwing him into the main-event with no preparation seemed idiotic on the part of TNA creative. Without a proper build to Wolfe's character, no one cares...
It reminded me of WCW's heyday, when Goldberg would be fed jobbers week after week and we were supposed to believe they had a snowball's chance in hell of winning Goldie's World Title? ...give me a break.
If the last episode of Impact is a glimpse into the future of the ranking system, it seems to be the "vote for who you want to see the Champ beat in less than five mins on Impact" poll.
It's obvious that the fans want Wolfe in the title-hunt, but the match we saw on Monday was terrible. We need Wolfe's character to be built up, and we need to believe that there's a chance he could actually win. Not this thrown together at the last-second crap.
Shame on TNA for that, but there's still time to fix the mistake. It's only been a little more than a week since the ranking system has been in place, so maybe we need to be a little more patient.
to be honest i think of wwe's SVR games, when in GM mode you got a good look at how much the audience likes what your doing with the wrestlers. I hope that They really look at their talent and really start pushing the popular ones (desmond Wolfe, Hardy, Morgan) and stop making us watch the bad ones (Abyss). While i agree that it was stupid to put wolfe against RVD after a week in the poll. "Congrats, now get squashed by the new face of the company", it really goes back to jamming stuff down our throats. By having their "Guy" beat the most popular contender. And thats nothing against RVD. But hopefully TNA starts to give those popular stars more recongization and air time.
When did the WWE develop their ranking system? Oh, they did have Cyber Sunday, which clearly wasn't rigged at all. Not at all.
On topic, you have to remember that anyone can vote as many times as they want on that site. This was inevitably going to lead TNA's more nerdier audience to spam their wrestler (Wolfe) over what the more casual fans wanted(anyone else). Wolfe has done alright in TNA but nothing that spectacular. He has done little to get over in TNA and TNA's fans, as opposed to the IWC crowd, will remember that. He had a feud with Angle but Angle could make a Brooklyn Brawler feud look epic.
The ranking system shouldn't really exist outside of maybe a TNA version of Cyber SUnday seeing as how WWE dropped it. And if it's kept I hope they don't use it as main feuds since fans are often ******ed. Maybe just have it be a title match in between the real feud with the occasional surprise win. At least then one brand would have their main titles defended on their weekly show.
philbrooks
Pre-Show Stalwart
I dont get your point nor do I think it was ever rigged.
CuddleBuns84
The Wrestling Sex Machine
First of all Cyber Sunday was setup for the most popular item to be win the votes, so not really a major rigging. However Desmond Wolfe is one of the best things TNA has going for them. Good wrestling, good mic skills, gets good heat, and he has never been in the WWE. Very good talent to build on.
FitFinlay4Life
What's the craic?
Sounds like a kiss up after Vinnie Ru's mess up, slaggin off someone who sat through Impact and had the nerve to point out the lack of wrestling.
Silly concept (as was Cyber Sunday), title shots should not be handed out willy nilly. Just look at RVD's current reign, given away on non ppv along with a Jeff Hardy dream match. Why would you purchase a ppv if the lead up shows demean the belts in this fashion. It's not brain surgery or rocket science- a feud or rankings system needs to build (say by an update each week allowing front runners to build a rivalry with the champ) before the pay off- the big match up headlining a PPV!
BTW the former Mr McGuiness needs a decent building up again as it could well be argued that he's getting a worse burial than Daniel Bryan at the moment- a move and push in the X division would be good.
Silly concept (as was Cyber Sunday), title shots should not be handed out willy nilly. Just look at RVD's current reign, given away on non ppv along with a Jeff Hardy dream match. Why would you purchase a ppv if the lead up shows demean the belts in this fashion. It's not brain surgery or rocket science- a feud or rankings system needs to build (say by an update each week allowing front runners to build a rivalry with the champ) before the pay off- the big match up headlining a PPV!
BTW the former Mr McGuiness needs a decent building up again as it could well be argued that he's getting a worse burial than Daniel Bryan at the moment- a move and push in the X division would be good.