[OFFICIAL] Heath Slater / Christian Thread

[Dagger Dias]

I thought it was cool to see Slater on Raw. He did a good job on his promo. The decision to include him on Raw during the match between Jericho and Christian shows that WWE likely have plans for him after NXT. Raw is live and they won't put just any of their rookies in a segment on it. Slater will fit in very well on either brand, at the very least on the midcard, because he's good both on the mic and in the ring. An eventual heel turn would take him even further in the long run.

 

[D-Man]

I thought it was cool to see Slater on Raw. He did a good job on his promo.

He did? From my seat, I saw him stutter his way through the promos looking more timid than a 13-year-old fingering a girl for the first time.

The decision to include him on Raw during the match between Jericho and Christian shows that WWE likely have plans for him after NXT.

In my eyes, it showed that the WWE is trying to advertise NXT on Tuesday nights. Not like Slater showing up on Raw is "groundbreaking"... for fuck's sake, Otunga HOSTED Raw a few weeks back. And other rookies have shown up on Raw in the past and escorted their pros to the ring before. Just because they gave him a 3-minute focal point doesn't mean he's getting pushed.

If you haven't noticed, I still think he's absolute dogshit.

Raw is live and they won't put just any of their rookies in a segment on it. Slater will fit in very well on either brand, at the very least on the midcard, because he's good both on the mic and in the ring.

Actually, I expect to see every one of the rookies on Raw with their own little segments. Otunga and Slater have gone thus far, Barrett's been on Smackdown... the rest will follow. I don't see why you constantly think Slater's getting special treatment because he rises above the others.

And he's good in the ring... I'll give him that. But on the mic, he sucks out loud.

An eventual heel turn would take him even further in the long run.

1,000,000% agreed. PLEASE turn him heel. He's such a shit babyface.

 

[Dagger Dias]

He did? From my seat, I saw him stutter his way through the promos looking more timid than a 13-year-old fingering a girl for the first time.

I'll admit he could have done better.... but going from a rookie oriented show to an appearance on the flagship brand might have made him nervous. It was live so he wasn't allowed to mess up, they can't fix mistakes on Raw through editing like they can on Smackdown or NXT. I didn't notice any stuttering at all. Given the fact that he's a rookie, it was a good promo. Compared to guys like Jericho it was obviously terrible, but rookies almost always look terrible next to a main eventer who many already view as a legend (including myself).

In my eyes, it showed that the WWE is trying to advertise NXT on Tuesday nights. Not like Slater showing up on Raw is "groundbreaking"... for fuck's sake, Otunga HOSTED Raw a few weeks back. And other rookies have shown up on Raw in the past and escorted their pros to the ring before. Just because they gave him a 3-minute focal point doesn't mean he's getting pushed.

Trying to advertise NXT would make sense. However.... they aren't going to pick just any rookie to do so. Otunga got to guest host Raw (so we KNOW they have plans for him), Barrett has been interacting with Jericho a lot, and now Slater got to be on RAW, not just NXT, to discuss his VICTORY over Jericho, a former World Champion. I never said it's 100% proof that he's getting pushed, only the creative knows that. I said they likely have plans for him, which means I was just making a friendly prediction. I can see why that could be misunderstood though.

If you haven't noticed, I still think he's absolute dogshit.

Yeah, and you're 100% entitled to your opinion. Other than turning Slater heel I still disagree with you though.

Actually, I expect to see every one of the rookies on Raw with their own little segments. Otunga and Slater have gone thus far, Barrett's been on Smackdown... the rest will follow. I don't see why you constantly think Slater's getting special treatment because he rises above the others.

Maybe.... it depends on if they have longterm plans for the other rookies. They could very well have plans for all 8 of them, but they might not. We will just have to wait and see. I never said Slater's getting special treatment and I apologize for giving that impression, it's not what I think at all. I do think he has the potential to be a star and WWE obviously sees it too.

And he's good in the ring... I'll give him that. But on the mic, he sucks out loud.

Compared to someone like The Miz or Christian yes.... but what about by rookie standards? Do you really think he's THAT bad for someone who is in their very first angle in WWE? I think that he's doing great on the mic given what he has to work with because rookies usually either get a terrible gimmick or nothing at all.

1,000,000% agreed. PLEASE turn him heel. He's such a shit babyface.

Yeah, agreed there. I highly look forward to a heel version of Slater.

 

[D-Man]

I'll admit he could have done better....

But you said he cut a "great promo." So then I guess it wasn't so great.

but going from a rookie oriented show to an appearance on the flagship brand might have made him nervous. It was live so he wasn't allowed to mess up, they can't fix mistakes on Raw through editing like they can on Smackdown or NXT.

This is everyone's excuse when their favorite wrestler messes up when they're given a golden opportunity. Sorry, but I don't accept this. You either sink or swim in this business, and he sunk.

And they can't fix mistakes on many shows when live promo sequences are occurring. If you haven't noticed, Smackdown broadcasts are "edited" by reshooting the segment or repeating certain parts of a segment in front of the live audience. Even when it's not live, it's live LOL. But Slater's portion of the promo was probably a total of 20 words long and he couldn't even get THAT right.

Given the fact that he's a rookie, it was a good promo.

Ugh... come on now. That's like saying, "But that guy is only a little bit stupid" or in this case "That was pretty smart for a ******ed guy." It doesn't matter whether he's a rookie or not... he's going to get criticized if he fucks something up, and he did. It wasn't smooth. He didn't appear to be comfortable at all. Pro-wrestlers either have it or they don't, when it comes to promos. I'm afraid Slater doesn't have it.

Compared to guys like Jericho it was obviously terrible, but rookies almost always look terrible next to a main eventer who many already view as a legend (including myself).

I did not compare him with anyone but the standard of pro-wrestlers in the WWE. No offense, Dagger, but I'm sick and tired of all of the fanboys making excuses for their favorite wrestlers. We all know you're a Slater mark, but this guy fell short. We're not rating Slater on a scale from RVD to Jericho in terms of microphone skill... we're rating him in comparison to being entertained and not distracted by professional wrestlers messing up their lines on live television, which is something that dozens of others do and have done in the past. Sink or swim... Slater sank.

Trying to advertise NXT would make sense. However.... they aren't going to pick just any rookie to do so. Otunga got to guest host Raw (so we KNOW they have plans for him), Barrett has been interacting with Jericho a lot, and now Slater got to be on RAW, not just NXT, to discuss his VICTORY over Jericho, a former World Champion. I never said it's 100% proof that he's getting pushed, only the creative knows that. I said they likely have plans for him, which means I was just making a friendly prediction. I can see why that could be misunderstood though.

I only get on you about it because you're an obvious Slater fanatic. And with every ounce of proof that we come up with to try and open your eyes to his flaws, you come back with 10 ounces of BS in his defense. Sorry, but Slater just isn't as good as you think he is. Unless they give him some new character to go along with his impresive in-ring skill, the mismatch and inconsistancies will continue.

I never said Slater's getting special treatment and I apologize for giving that impression, it's not what I think at all. I do think he has the potential to be a star and WWE obviously sees it too.

LOL we noticed.

Compared to someone like The Miz or Christian yes.... but what about by rookie standards?

That's bullshit. (Sorry to be so harsh, but I'd rather be honest with you than sugar coat it.) "Rookie standards" is such a complete, horseshit statement. The guy is a professional wrestler. There aren't different levels, except for lower card, midcard, and main event card. We don't say things like, "Well, on a main event scale, Chris Jericho is at the top of the list while Batista is at the bottom", do we? No. So to sit there and judge Slater based on some formulated "rookie scale" is just plain horseshit.

Fact is, in comparison to ALL of the wrestlers, Slater is sub-par. His look has us scratching our heads, his mannerisms are turning us off, and his mic skills are obviously weaker than we'd like them to be. But he wrestles good. Sorry, but one out of four doesn't cut the mustard.

Do you really think he's THAT bad for someone who is in their very first angle in WWE?

Considering that he's done absolutely NOTHING to impress me, yes.

I think that he's doing great on the mic given what he has to work with because rookies usually either get a terrible gimmick or nothing at all.

Trust me, we know. You let us know every week after NXT is over and you log into the Wrestlezone NXT Aftermath thread to post your review.

Yeah, agreed there. I highly look forward to a heel version of Slater.

Honestly, I'm sick to my stomach of Slater. And the only way that I'll turn my head back in his direction would be to turn the guy heel. Then MAYBE I'll give him another shot. But as of right now, he's not doing anything for me.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Alright, D-Man.... I'll admit you have proven that "rookie standards" are stupid. Perhaps I am too lenient on rookies when it comes to what I think is good. I still think that Slater has "it". We can always agree to disagree there.... As for his Raw promo.... I admit he was nowhere near as good as many guys who are "officially" on the roster. That is certainly true. I understand why you dislike the idea of someone comparing rookies to other rookies instead of to everyone else.

However, I wouldn't go as far as to say Slater sunk. To me he wouldn't have "sunk" unless he completely forgot his lines and wasn't able to save himself by coming up with something similar. Once again, perhaps I am too lenient on what I label as good or terrible. He wasn't amazing, but he did a decent job. If some of you guys don't like Slater, that's not a big deal. We all have have a right to like any wrestler who we like and dislike any wrestler who we don't like.

Considering that he's done absolutely NOTHING to impress me, yes.

This is the part of your post I mainly wanted to address. He defeated Chris Jericho, a former world champion. I guess that wasn't impressive? I found it impressive because to me it's often impressive when somebody new gets an upset victory over a former world champion because it's somebody new who defeated someone who was once the top guy. Although I suppose that's going back to "rookie standards" again.... What about winning the keg race? Slater's had some upsets that nobody thought he would win and that's rather impressive if you ask me.

 

[D-Man]

This is the part of your post I mainly wanted to address. He defeated Chris Jericho, a former world champion. I guess that wasn't impressive? I found it impressive because to me it's often impressive when somebody new gets an upset victory over a former world champion because it's somebody new who defeated someone who was once the top guy. Although I suppose that's going back to "rookie standards" again....

Santino Marella also got a win over a seemingly unstoppable Umaga for the Intercontinental title once. We all know where he's at now.

I could care less about the way that WWE management decides to book someone. Slater didn't "win" his match. He was booked to win his match. Therefore, saying his win over Jericho is "impressive" is just like saying that Kiefer Sutherland is a hero for saving the United States from a terrorist plot on 24.

What about winning the keg race? Slater's had some upsets that nobody thought he would win and that's rather impressive if you ask me.

Now THIS is something that shocked me. I never expected him to win and that was 100% reality. So you got me there... it WAS impressive. But carrying a keg certainly doesn't show that he has any impressive qualities as a professional WRESTLER. This means his angle, gimmick, charisma... As a matter of fact, he completely floundered in last night's challenge which was mostly based on popularity. He really sounded like a dweeb when he was selling those programs.

 

[Who is Going to Win]

I for one cannot stand Slater, his voice makes him sound like someone with autism (no offense intended), his ugly vomit colour hair, like most of you says he tries to hard. I'm into a few other rookies, I love Barrett, Bryan, and Justin Gabriel. I tolerate Otunga and Tarver (wwe hasn't put his mma talents for show, so I can't really say anything about him.) I tolerate Sheffield, but hes like a roid rage, kid friendly version of Stone Cold. I cannot stand Darren Young almost as I hate slater, I find him repulsive, and I just want to wipe both the smirk off their ugly faces. I have a hate for slater that outmatches my hates for Abyss and Hogan from TNA, actually maybe not.

 

[Jonnie Walker]

I hate Slater. He has shown me nothing in his NXT career. Does he even have a finisher, because all of his wins are by roll-up. He has awful hair. He looks like Sheamus slightly tanner, long lost ******ed southern brother. At least other guys that got eliminated, like Sheffield, Tarver, and Young had finishers, and we all know Danielson had Cattle Mutilation. But Slater does not have one. It isn't his reverse RKO. Actually, recently it looks like his finisher is called the "I'll lay on my back and you pin me for three seconds". Sound about right? Until Slater shows me that he actually can be taken seriously in the big leagues, I will not show him any of my respect as I think he's straight up awful.