No new main event stars (soloution),Vince fire John Laurinaitis

[ianfromlondon]

Ok there has been talk of vince getting mad and upset about the lack of main event stars in wwe.

my answer is Fire John Laurinaitis. lets face it when good ol JR was the talent relation guy he brought in the guys that become big stars such as

the rock
stone cold
jeff hardy
lesner

and so on

since he left his position John Laurinaitis has not brought in 1 single wrestler thats become a star.

you think vince would relise that's the problem, fire him damm it and ask JR to head that department up like he used to and train a young guy to take over after a year or 2

that is the only way wwe can get some new stars and turn them into superstars

people blame the writers but they can't make the stars, sure they can give them a chance but giving a chance isnt the main thing

JR could see talent from a mile off where John Laurinaitis can't see ssssssssssssshhhhhh

John Laurinaitis has scared more guys off and released them, he is the problem

 

[GSM]

What ? So you´re saying that by releasing Johnny Ace the WWE will be filled with superior main event material ?

And the writers shouldn´t be blamed ?

What´s wrong with Bourne, Morrison, MVP , Swagger , Primo, Dibiase, Ziggler, Ryder and many more ?
And please, if the writers don´t give you anything good you´re pretty much fucked, The Rock wasn´t a main eventer from the beginning, he wasn´t the "Great One" all of the sudden, he started as a happy babyface who was booed for it, and the writers made him turn...

Steve Austin is the biggest draw in the history of the WWE but he started of as what ? The Ringmaster and not as SCSA.

To assume that Johnny Ace is responsible for people being pushed into the main event is ridicolous, he brings them in and gets them out, nothing more, nothing less.

And by the way, J.R hated the job and probably wouldn´t be too happy if he was given the postion again.

 

[DaNewGuy]

According to wikipedia Laurinatis replace JR as Vice President of Talent Relations in 2004, and was promoted again to Senior Vice President of Talent Relations in 2007.

Since 2004 WWE has signed:

Jack Swagger (2006)
MVP (2005)
Jeff Hardy (rehired 2006)
Monty Brown (2006)
CM Punk (2005)
(all from wikipedia)

This is by no means an exhaustive list.

John Laurinaitis has by no means failed to hire talent. The hiring of wrestlers such as those listed above can be at least partially accredited to John Laurinaitis. Laurinaitis is hiring plenty of talent and much of it is getting over. Punk was the World Champion a couple of weeks ago, Monty Brown had the look and size to be a reasonable monster heel, Swagger seems to be on the road to stardome. Laurinaitis can't be judged until the results of his work can be seen.

Plus, I don't think JR is too interested in taking over his old job. He's not as young as he used to be.


[edit] Or, basically, what GSM said.

 

[tLight]

They have plenty of stars, they just are not using them right.

Last night is a classic example.

did the US Champ have a match? no
did the Diva's Champ have a match? no

Instead we got 15 minutes for Sgt Slaughter to pull his pranks, and 15 minutes of Triple H and HBK DX garbage that we could of been completed in one 3 minute segment. They could of also used the Miz properly over the past month so he wouldnt have had to have been wrote off, then wrote back on the show. Did we really need to see the Eugene come back only to lose again, no.

The talent is there, the writing and stories for the is whats missing

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

I'm not sure if John Laurinitis is completely to blame for this. Although I haven't liked a lot of the decisions he's made in the past, I wouldn't say that firing him would completely fix the problem. What if "Ace" gets replaced with someone who does the same thing or someone who gives main event pushes to the wrong people, or people who shouldn't get them.

There is more than enough talent to get to the main event, moreso on Raw than Smackdown and ECW, but WWE can fix that. Blaming John Laurinitis won't do anything... it should be a team effort, by the whole creative team. Better writing will help produce more stars, not firing the Vice President.

 

[rKo kid]

You definitely have a point, tLight. I don't think Laurinaitis is any better or worse than J.R. Both guys seem to know talent when they see it and have brought in some really skilled workers and entertainers. Looking back at a lot of the guys J.R. brought in, it's easy to see these guys were used properly. Guys like the Rock and Stone Cold were allowed to let loose and be themselves. Those hired in the past few years haven't been given the same opportunities:

a) MVP - one could argue that last year's losing streak angel went on entirely too long and weakened his character. Also, turning him face may have hurt his credibility with the audience. To me, MVP going over other guys was more believable when he was a heel. He was also far more entertaining and compelling. He's just not the same as a face. I liked him better as an arrogant prick.

b) Rhodes & Dibiase - these guys get set up just to be knocked down. Both of them are super talented, yet they are used just to keep guys like HHH and Batista at a superior level. Whenver it looks like they are on the verge of greatness, everything gets squashed immediately. They should be brought up the same way Orton and Batista were and actually start getting come credible wins under their belt. Being Randy's ass clowns isn't going to take them to the top.

All this to say there is nothing wrong with the current WWE talent. Enough with the bitching about not having main event guys. The talent is there, it's just not being used properly. You can't put the blame on the talent relations guy. I think the blood is on the hands of Vince and the rest of WWE creative.

 

[Nascarman]

I completly agree with RKO kid. on raw it is all about the big stars the mid carders never get over on them. John Cena don't need to win every match he is in. there was no point to have the miz lose every time to him. WWE should have let him win the ppv match by hook or crock and the lumberjack match. i didn't need to see Ugeen.
HHH would win a handicap match aginst leagcy anyday. except he loses to reunite DX.
I Don't want to see leagcy Vrs. DX.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I completly agree with RKO kid. on raw it is all about the big stars the mid carders never get over on them. John Cena don't need to win every match he is in. there was no point to have the miz lose every time to him. WWE should have let him win the ppv match by hook or crock and the lumberjack match. i didn't need to see Ugeen.
HHH would win a handicap match aginst leagcy anyday. except he loses to reunite DX.
I Don't want to see leagcy Vrs. DX.

You do realize that putting somebody over doesn't necessarily mean losing to them. Where was Miz before he feuded with Cena? Newly drafted to RAW when he was opening tag team matches on ECW. What did he do while feuding with Cena? Main evented several RAWs and was in the Great American Bash. He was doing better while feuding with Cena than before and that is an example of putting somebody over.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

The fact is that creative needs a shot in the arm, they need to push talent more who is the person that needs to be told all this, well its people like stephanie mcmahon helmsly, she is in charge of the whole creative process in regards to all three brands, she is the person who says which person should get a push, and who should be elevated.

The Problem isn't with Laurentis, he will only hire who he thinks could be WWE's next big thing and he will sign them, Stephanie is the one behind the creative side so instead of criticizing Laurentis maybe you should look at her direction.

In order for the changes to be made WWE needs to make the right steps towards pushing more and more talent using the ECW system to help propel them into the WWE universe and listen to the crowds in who they think should be the next main eventer, there is only one person who is taking charge at this point and that man is Michael Hayes, look at how Punk vs Hardy is stealing the WWE spotlight.

 

[Macca]

While I also agree with the majority here and say that Ace isn't to blame, my granny always says "Macca, someone with that smokey of a voice can NEVER be trusted....

Vince has only himself to blame. We're been given that same old shit for the last 2-3 years in the Raw main event, and the moment Bonnie Hammer gets a stiffy over the lack of new talent, he starts complaining to creative.

The bright side is that SmackDown seems to be gradually building new talent and not burying them when they start that big push (If they fuck over John Morrison, then I'm officially one of those ******s in the iMPACT zone who think that a hammerlock is the most awesomist thing EVA.)

The ball's in Vince's court, it just seems he can't be bothered to lift it.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

Well maybe Vince should stop hiring all TV writers. We don't need the Real World every week. Since all decisions come back to Vince he should be pissed at himself for the lack of main event guys.

Here's another thing, stop feeding the young guys to the older ones. You can't make a guy a main eventer(?) while he jobs all the time.

 

[tLight]

Another problem they have is how quickly some of their Main Event Stars were pushed into the Main Event. Cena and Orton are the best to examples of this

Cena
World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)[186]
World Tag Team Championship (2 times)[8] – with Shawn Michaels (1) and Batista (1)
WWE Championship (3 times)[187]
WWE United States Championship (3 times)[7]
Royal Rumble Winner (2008)

Orton
World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
World Tag Team Championship (1 time)[93] – with Edge
WWE Championship (4 times, current)
WWE Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
Royal Rumble (2009)

In comparison to Edge or Jericho

Edge
WCW United States Championship (1 time)
World Heavyweight Championship (5 times)
WWF/E World Tag Team Championship (12 times)
WWE Championship (4 times)
WWE Tag Team Championship (2 times)
WWF/E Intercontinental Championship (5 times)
King of the Ring (2001)[12]
Mr. Money in the Bank (2005)

Jericho
WCW
WCW Cruiserweight Championship (4 times)
WCW World Television Championship (1 time)
Chris Jericho as the World Heavyweight Champion in November 2008
WCW World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
WWF European Championship (1 time)
WWF Hardcore Championship (1 time)
WWF/E Intercontinental Championship (9 times)
WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time)
WWF Undisputed Championship (1 time)
WWF/E World Tag Team Championship (4 times)

Orton and Cena were pretty much instantly upgraded to the main event due to the lack of main event stars. The same thing could be done with several people on both the Raw and Smackdown.

 

[Sedated]

Very interesting point and it's something that I've pondered to myself at various points in time. I definetly think there's some merit behind it. With that said it is a two fold problem.

1. Lack of talent.
2. Lack of overall creative direction.

I've seen some ridiculous names being dropped as viable talent in the WWE. Primo? Monty Brown? Mvp? Ryder? Miz? Give me a break! These are viable mid card talents at best. If any of these people were main eventing right now things would be just as bad. The idea here is to find the next Stone Cold, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Brett Heart, Undertaker etc. The idea is NOT to shove more mid card talent down our throats parading around as main eventers.

The only person to pass through the WWE in years who has the potential to be a true main eventer is Mr. Kennedy and WWE fired him.



I'd say Carlito has the potential as well. He was hilarious on smackdown but they've thrown him away to be buryed on Raw, similar to what they did with Kennedy. (Though Kennedy had some blame for his situation.) As a result Carlito has generally lost direction and looks to be lazy/frustrated as a result.


With all that being said WWE needs someone new finding the talent and they need new people setting the direction of the talent they do have and will hopefully find.

 

[GSM]

Why are people so fixated on finding the next Steve Austin, Hogan or Hart ?

There will never be a second Hogan or Austin or Rock, because Dwayn Johnson is The Rock, and Terry Bolea is Hulk Hogan.

The next Austin would be what ? A bionic redneck who drinks beer all day ? How creative...

And please, Dwayne Johnson started as a midcard babyface and he became what ??? The Rock, Steve Austin became famous as a member of the Hollywood Blones with Brian Pillman, and Hogan started as a evil irish guy.

Saying that MVP is midcard talent at the moment is absolutely true, but will he stay there forever ? Maybe, but you could have said the same thing about Austin and The Rock back then.
People can improve, and some may have to find their way throughout the years, but to say that MVP and Miz can´t improve is ridicolous as they already have.

 

[Christian Battlez]

Yes the talent is there we can all see it. But when network executive Bonnie Hammer saw how her ratings were being effected by a lack of big name stars on Raw she started to nitpick at Vince to make more big name stars fast. It takes time and needs to be done right. Rhodes and Dibiase are the best examples of why we don't have big stars. Rhodes has been around for awhile but still feels like a jobber somewhat. Dibiase isn't a rookie anymore either and MVP should be farther by now. Morrison is where he should be but he is the only one. Creative is to blame as far as im concerned. But Vince is too afraid to have the big names he does lose too often because he doesn't want them to lose their star power and leave him with no names at all. You gotta please the network its buisiness.