Ndamukong Suh needs to just shut up.

[Davi323]

I am sure that most of the American posters watched the Thanksgiving day games yesterday, including the NFC North matchup between the Detroit Lions and the Green Bay Packers. During the game, Suh repeatedly bounced a Packer player's head on the turf (I have no problem with a little turf-washing, that isn't the focus of my complaint) and then afterward, attempted to stomp on him a few times (this is). Everyone who watched the game or saw the highlight on Sportscenter knows exactly what he did, and it's quite obvious that it was not only deliberate, but forceful. The guy was trying to hurt the Packer player. Then, Suh tried to claim that it was just football, that he didn't deserve to be ejected, that

My intentions were not to kick anybody, as I did not. (I was) removing myself, as you see, I'm walking away from the situation. And with that I apologize to my teammates, and my fans and my coaches for putting myself to be in position to be misinterpreted and taken out of the game.

Really? Really? you weren't trying to kick him? Maybe the first try, you could say you lost your balance...but the second kick was 100% deliberate. Look, Ndamukong. I love your intensity. I love your aggressiveness. I love the attitude that you have helped bring to the Lions defense. I am a lifelong Detroit Lions fan who has been previously defending your style of play. You aren't helping by making up complete bullshit excuses to explain you didn't do something that was caught on video plain as day. It was a cheap shot, a dirty play. If you had just manned up, said you let the emotions carry you away, that you lashed out in the heat of battle or something, fine. It would still be a cheap shot, but at least the explanation would be plausible. What you gave as an excuse for it though was patently ridiculous. If you can't come up with a better explanation than that, you would be better off just shutting the fuck up.

 

[One Punch Doug Crashin]

I'm getting sick and tired of Suh's excuses. He's a dirt player and the way he's recently played proved it. Just look at the stomp and the way he takes down QB's and taunts them. I think he's actually injured some of them too. You're going to be ejected if you stomp on somebody even if it was unintentional (which I seriously doubt).

 

[Tattooed Jesus]

Yeah at first I didn't think Suh deserved the rep he was beginning to get as a so call diryt player, but things like the stomp from yesterdays game make it hard to defend against that statement. I understand he is aggressive and passionate and emotional about the game of football, thats awesome. I played highschool and some college football and I played with a ton of intensity and emotion and I never took cheap shot or intentionally tried to hurt another player, especially after the play when the guy was already on the ground. Really going after the QB or any player with "ruthless aggression" while the ball is still in play, I have no problem with that. However when you try to stomp or kick another player when he is down after the play is well over, well no matter how you look at it, is playing dirty.

 

[Big Sexy]

Suh has released another statement about the incident.

"In the past few hours, I have had time to reflect on yesterday's game and I want to sincerely apologize for letting my teammates down, the organization, and especially to my fans who look to me for positive inspiration," "Playing professional sports is not a game. It is a profession with great responsibility, and where performance on and off the field should never be compromised. It requires a calm and determined demeanor, which cannot be derailed by the game, referee calls, fans or other players.

"I want to reiterate my commitment to working to become a better player, and professional -- on and off the field. My reaction on Thursday was unacceptable. I made a mistake, and have learned from it. I hope to direct the focus back to the task at hand -- by winning."

Did the guy overreact on the field? Yes. Does he deserve to get suspended or talked about like he's a criminal? Fuck no. People need to quit acting like he pulled a Hayensworth and legit stomped out a guys face. He gave a quick kick to a guys arm that had taken him to the ground and the kick didn't even really hit him (trust me if a 6'4 307 pound guy with cleats legit stomped on someones arm then that person would not have gotten up like nothing happened). Suh is probably the most tenacious defender we have in the league right and with his youth and inexperience he sometimes takes things too far. However, at the end of the day I have seen guys not get suspended for much worse on the field. Shit, every week there is some player who throws a legit punch at a guy and all they get is thrown out and a fine. Suh got thrown out and he will get a fine. Story over, let's move on.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Did the guy overreact on the field? Yes. Does he deserve to get suspended or talked about like he's a criminal? Fuck no.

Fuck your incredibly bias bullshit. Suh didn't "overreact." Suh deliberately commited a non-football act in stomping on the opponent and slamming his head into the ground. Non football acts are cause for ejection, and they deserve suspension. And no, he's not a criminal and no one is saying he is except you. Although if he did that off the football field he very well could be.

People need to quit acting like he pulled a Hayensworth and legit stomped out a guys face.

No one is saying he stomped on his face. They're saying he deliberately assaulted the guy after the play and THEN stomped on him. Nowhere has anyone said he stomped on the guys face, since the people talking about this are just reporting the FACTS, which are that Suh slammed the Packers face into the ground NUMEROUS times, and THEN DELIBERATELY stomped on the man, which is an automatic ejection, and should also be an automatic suspension.

He gave a quick kick to a guys arm that had taken him to the ground and the kick didn't even really hit him (trust me if a 6'4 307 pound guy with cleats legit stomped on someones arm then that person would not have gotten up like nothing happened).

No, the Packer player was able to maintain his calm because he knew that he would be ejected if he fought back. And yes, the kick did hit him, and to say it didn't means you are fucking blind. It was pretty fucking obvious.

And they were on the ground (as part of the play). That doesn't mean you can slam the mans face into the ground REPEATEDLY.

Suh is probably the most tenacious defender we have in the league right and with his youth and inexperience he sometimes takes things too far.

No, he's not the most tenacious defender. There are about 10 guys on both the Steelers and Ravens more tenacious. Suh is a beast. The problem is that he has the mentality of a beast on the field, and is so damn undisciplined it will cost his team a playoff berth.

This act has absolutely nothing to do with youth and inexperience. Suh did something that people are taught not to do in POP FUCKING WARNER. You can't kick/stomp an opponent. It has nothing to do with inexperience, and everything to do with the way he plays the game (somewhere between extremely undisciplined and Ric-Flair levels of Dirtiness).

However, at the end of the day I have seen guys not get suspended for much worse on the field.

Suh is getting suspended because what he did is 100% completlely deplorable and against all the rules of football, and is deserving of such a suspension. Couple that with the fact that he ROUTINELY commits illegal plays and EARNS numerous fines, and the league needs to suspend him so he LEARNS NOT TO DO THIS SHIT, because clearly fines and penalties don't do it.

Shit, every week there is some player who throws a legit punch at a guy and all they get is thrown out and a fine.

No there isn't. Ejections are fairly uncommon in the NFL. And punches are also uncommon. Guys shove each other post-play a lot, but actual punches and ejections are not as common.

Suh got thrown out and he will get a fine. Story over, let's move on.

No, the story isn't over. The story isn't over until Suh can actually play without breaking the rules, which he has proven during his ENTIRE FUCKING CAREER that he CANNOT DO. He leads the league in Personal Foul penalties since his debut in 2010; he has been fined NUMEROUS times; and now he committed a disturbing, violent, non-football act that EARNED him an ejection, big-ass fine, and eventual suspension.

We made a big deal out of him meeting with Roger Goodell to discuss how he can stop getting fines/penalties. Everyone praised him for trying to play within the rules. Whether you like Goodell or not, I can guarantee you he didn't tell him to STOMP ON A FUCKING OPPONENT WELL AFTER A PLAY ENDS. Suh took everything Goodell told him, and threw it out. Now he gets to sit on his ass and watch his team play.

Suh bitched about getting fined and flagged a lot (all of which he deserved by the way). Then he has a meeting with the commissioner to find out how he can play within the rules to avoid fines/penalties. THEN he commits an immensely worse act. THEN he tries to say that he didn't kick him (which everyone and their mother knows was a load of shit) and shouldn't have been ejected (this was a couple hours after the incident, so in no way was this in the heat of the moment).

Ndomukong Suh made his bed. Now he has to lie in it. Sadly for the Lions, he'll end up lying in it for at least one more Sunday.

 

[Big Sexy]

And this is the exact overreaction I'm talking about. I've never said anyone was comparing the act Suh did to the act that Hayensworth committed. I'm saying that they are comparing punishments and intents like it was the same thing. Suh doesn't deserve a multi game suspension like many are suggesting or any suspension for that matter.

James Harrison has received fines in the 6 figure range the last couple years yet he has never been suspended. So I don't buy your repeat offender stuff. Dashon Goldson just punched a guy multiple times last week and did not receive a suspension. Andre Johnson last year went straight street fighter on Courtland Finnegan and got nothing but a fine. Where were your unnecessarily large fonts and underlines when those incidents occurred? I'm pretty sure ripping off a guys helmet and punching him multiple times in the face is a little worse then a kick to the arm of a guy. Suh overreacted, was tossed from the game, and will be fined. Just like Andre Johnson, just like Dashon Goldson, and just like every other player who has ever been thrown out for throwing a punch. Suspending Suh would be hypocritical of the NFL in terms of how they have handled past incidents with other players.

You want facts, those are your facts. I'm not defending Suh's action, I'm defending the fact that he should not be suspended.

 

[Davi323]

I could buy your argument, big sexy, if Suh hadn't given the bullshit excuses. Truth be told, I am more upset at the excuse than the actual kick. I get that tempers flare up. But Suh pretending like he did nothing wrong really grated me, and makes me wonder if he gets it.

 

[Big Sexy]

I could buy your argument, big sexy, if Suh hadn't given the bullshit excuses. Truth be told, I am more upset at the excuse than the actual kick. I get that tempers flare up. But Suh pretending like he did nothing wrong really grated me, and makes me wonder if he gets it.

Yes it was a bullshit excuse but he changed his tune and made a new statement yesterday apologizing. Obviously it was an emotional game and after the loss he was trying to justify what he did when in reality there wasn't much of a justification. At the end of the day, however, no player is ever truly sorry for a scuffle like that. You think Andre Johnson was sincerely apologetic last year after beating the shit out of Finnegan? The player is either told by the team or is just smart enough to know that at the end of the day no matter what your true feelings are you have to save face.

 

[justinsayne]

From the time I saw everything go down I figured that this was just a case of a passionate player simply losing his temper in the heat of them moment, overreacting by doing something stupid. By the time the first press conf. happened he was still angry & said shit he probably hadn't really thought out yet. I'm sure at that point in time instead of talking to the press Suh would've much rather been left the fuck alone, he was angry, how many people want to go into a room full of people criticizing there every move & try to explain there stupid actions when they're still pissed off, pretty much nobody. I don't think Suh went out on that field with malicious intent to harm another player like that. I think the media & fans are just overrating again like they always do.

 

[Stormtrooper]

And this is the exact overreaction I'm talking about. I've never said anyone was comparing the act Suh did to the act that Hayensworth committed. I'm saying that they are comparing punishments and intents like it was the same thing. Suh doesn't deserve a multi game suspension like many are suggesting or any suspension for that matter.

Haynesworth got suspended 5 games. Suh should get 2. 2 =/= 5.

James Harrison has received fines in the 6 figure range the last couple years yet he has never been suspended. So I don't buy your repeat offender stuff.

James Harrison is yet to perform a non-football act worthy of suspension. Hence why he isn't getting suspension. DELIBERATE, INTENTIONAL STOMPING/FACE-SLAMMING is a non-football act, and is suspendable.

Dashon Goldson just punched a guy multiple times last week and did not receive a suspension. Andre Johnson last year went straight street fighter on Courtland Finnegan and got nothing but a fine. Where were your unnecessarily large fonts and underlines when those incidents occurred? I'm pretty sure ripping off a guys helmet and punching him multiple times in the face is a little worse then a kick to the arm of a guy. Suh overreacted, was tossed from the game, and will be fined. Just like Andre Johnson, just like Dashon Goldson, and just like every other player who has ever been thrown out for throwing a punch. Suspending Suh would be hypocritical of the NFL in terms of how they have handled past incidents with other players.

1. Suh is a repeat offender, thus negating this entire statement.
2. Suh had a meeting with the commissioner to discuss where the line is so that he doesn't cross it. Then he goes and crosses the line further then he ever did before (and everyone and their mother agrees that he crossed the line, there's no bitching and moaning about whether he broke the rules or not here).

You want facts, those are your facts. I'm not defending Suh's action, I'm defending the fact that he should not be suspended.

You, hours after the game:

Suh and the Lions are fine. He was trying to get his foot away from the offensive guy. Trust me, if he wanted to stomp on the guy he wouldn't have missed. Stop fucking overreacting.

That sure as hell looks like you defending his actions.

And you are trying to compare his actions to others. That's not how it works. Look at his actions compared to his actions of the past and the severity of his actions. That's how you determine how to punish a player. Suh has proven time and again that he is a undisciplined (dirty) player, and now has gotten worse.

Yes it was a bullshit excuse but he changed his tune and made a new statement yesterday apologizing. Obviously it was an emotional game and after the loss he was trying to justify what he did when in reality there wasn't much of a justification. At the end of the day, however, no player is ever truly sorry for a scuffle like that. You think Andre Johnson was sincerely apologetic last year after beating the shit out of Finnegan? The player is either told by the team or is just smart enough to know that at the end of the day no matter what your true feelings are you have to save face.

He only made a new statement after the Lions made a statement basically saying that he was a douche that acted unbecoming of a Lion. And when Suh made his statement hours after the incident, yes, a reasonable human being EXPECTS the man to realize he fucked up, and not try to cover it up.

And it wasn't a scuffle, it was an assault. The Packer lineman pwned him during the play, putting him on the ground. Suh responded by slamming his head, then when he disengaged from the player, stomped on him (again) DELIBERATELY.


http://blogs.detroitlions.com/2011/11/25/lions-say-ndamukong-suhs-actions-were-unacceptable/

The Lions announce publicly their displeasure with his actions, THEN he realized he fucked up and released a new statement. And those guys were sorry. They were sorry for getting themselves ejected from the contest, and facing a large fine. Suh should have been sorry right away for costing his team the football game, and potentially more.

From the time I saw everything go down I figured that this was just a case of a passionate player simply losing his temper in the heat of them moment, overreacting by doing something stupid.

That's true. His on-field actions are a case of massive overreacting and doing something stupid.

By the time the first press conf. happened he was still angry & said shit he probably hadn't really thought out yet.

That was a couple hours afterwards, after he had most likely seen the replay numerous times. He should have been angry, but only at himself, not at the refs for doing the right thing.

I'm sure at that point in time instead of talking to the press Suh would've much rather been left the fuck alone, he was angry, how many people want to go into a room full of people criticizing there every move & try to explain there stupid actions when they're still pissed off, pretty much nobody.

It's his job to be available to the media after the game. Whether he wanted to or not is irrelevant, he should have been prepared for it. He was prepared, he prepared a bullshit I didn't do anything wrong load of crap that everyone including the Detroit Lions themselves thought was just that, a load of crap.

I don't think Suh went out on that field with malicious intent to harm another player like that. I think the media & fans are just overrating again like they always do.

He didn't have malicious intent. He didn't start the game saying "I'm gonna stomp on the guy." But he did it, and there is undeniable proof of it. Manslaughter is a lesser crime then murder, but it's still a crime. Just like not having premeditated intent of stomping on the player is still a football crime. You do the crime, you do the time.

No one is overracting. Suh did the deed, and now he has to pay for it.

 

[Big Sexy]

Haynesworth got suspended 5 games. Suh should get 2. 2 =/= 5.

You say two but I've heard others say he should be punished like Hayensworth. Regardless, two is too many considering punches don't even get one.

James Harrison is yet to perform a non-football act worthy of suspension. Hence why he isn't getting suspension. DELIBERATE, INTENTIONAL STOMPING/FACE-SLAMMING is a non-football act, and is suspendable.

Over 100 G's of fines in one season because of illegal hits whether they are a football act or non football act is worse then what Suh did. Non football or not it was an overreaction retaliation because of a football act of another player. This is the first time Suh has ever been ejected for something like this so he is not a repeat offender in that regard.

1. Suh is a repeat offender, thus negating this entire statement.
2. Suh had a meeting with the commissioner to discuss where the line is so that he doesn't cross it. Then he goes and crosses the line further then he ever did before (and everyone and their mother agrees that he crossed the line, there's no bitching and moaning about whether he broke the rules or not here).

So because Andre Johnson never had a meeting with the commissioner his overreaction and punches (which was worse then what Suh did) don't get him suspended? An illegal act is an illegal act.

You, hours after the game: Suh and the Lions are fine. He was trying to get his foot away from the offensive guy. Trust me, if he wanted to stomp on the guy he wouldn't have missed. Stop fucking overreacting.

He was originally trying to get his foot away and the kick did miss for the most part as evident by the player not even flinching or grabbing his arm at all. I'm defending the overreaction of other people not the act of Suh.

And you are trying to compare his actions to others. That's not how it works. Look at his actions compared to his actions of the past and the severity of his actions. That's how you determine how to punish a player. Suh has proven time and again that he is a undisciplined (dirty) player, and now has gotten worse.

He has never gotten thrown out of a game before. If his actions were so dirty I'm sure that would have happened in the past.

He only made a new statement after the Lions made a statement basically saying that he was a douche that acted unbecoming of a Lion. And when Suh made his statement hours after the incident, yes, a reasonable human being EXPECTS the man to realize he fucked up, and not try to cover it up.

Like I said before very few if any players are ever truly sorry for actions like that. There was a reason they threw a punch or kicked or whatever the action was and if it wasn't for the team and the league looking down upon them for not apologizing then hardly anyone would.

And it wasn't a scuffle, it was an assault. The Packer lineman pwned him during the play, putting him on the ground. Suh responded by slamming his head, then when he disengaged from the player, stomped on him (again) DELIBERATELY.

The Packer lineman took him down to the ground after the ball was released and Suh took exception by fighting back as the lineman was still holding him down. The kick was the only thing that got him the flag, got him thrown out, and will get him a fine. It should not, however, get him suspended.

 

[CH David]

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Stomping or kicking a player is a bitch move, regardless if you let your temper get the best of you or not. Let him get thrown out then fined if he had acknowledged his mistake in post-game questioning. But no, he made a ridiculous claim to being unbalanced and didn't take responsibility. Then releasing a statement the next day saying sorry? Wah, you know you fucked up, just admit it in real time and not a day later.

His suspension is two games without pay. He is appealing and may be able to get it down to one game, but either way, the guy needs to know how to play in the game now, not like it was back in the day. Leading the league in personal fouls since he came into the league last year, that sounds like a bit of a problem.

 

[Broc808]

I agree that Suh definitely meant to do that, there's no doubt about that, and I agree with the punishment he received (one of the only times I'll ever agree with anything Goodell does)

and honestly what I found funny about the kick, if you look at, it actually looks like he's trying to sell it, as if he were in a wrestling match, he like shakes his whole body, and barely connects with the shoulder, I think Vince should be giving this guy a call sometime soon

 

[J.J.]

After his talk with Roger Goodell in which Suh stated he had a better understanding I figured he would be more careful attracting the wrong media attention. I at first believed he was just being targeted wrong but after that display of unsportsman like conduct I've grown tired of his excuses and antics where he deliberately tries to hurt players after the play. I believe teams need to start taking more accountability for situations like this and hand out punishments(much like Eagles did with TO).

 

[Mustang Sally]

But no, he made a ridiculous claim to being unbalanced and didn't take responsibility

And all that amounts to is doing whatever you feel like doing at the time......and then later scratching around for justifications to try and absolve you of your bad deeds. (Or rather, having your agent and lawyer come up with statements of contrition for you to recite before the cameras. If you think Suh is truly sorry for what he did, you must be a loyal Lions fan).

In this guy's case, it's really very simple: he's 24 years old, has the ability to play football and is paid ridiculous amounts of money to do it. As a result, he's been showered with such praise and adulation that he thinks he can do absolutely anything he wants.....and with so many sports nuts in the world giving him the "Hey baby, you da man!" after each atrocity, he's not far wrong. At this point, if his "boys" told him he was the Lord, Jesus Christ, he'd probably believe it.

Is all this because he's discovered a cure for cancer, helped human beings better their lives, or saved children from a burning building? No, it's because he can play football. This is what society celebrates above people who really make a difference.

If this punishment can deter him from this kind of thing in the future, it's a good thing.

 

[agentmichaelscarn]

Didn't read all the replies but I just want to say as a die hard Lions fan Jim Schwartz has to do something with this teams' discipline. I don't know if they just accepted that they're the "bad boys" of the NFL and it's ok to do what they do but whatever it is they are costing themselves games right now. It's not just Suh either, it's the entire team, they seriously should have won that last game against the Saints but their dumb penalties got in the way. They continuously keep shooting themselves in the feet because of dumb personal fouls penalties. So even if Suh wasn't suspended by the NFL it would have been in the Lions best interest to bench him or suspend him themselves to send a point to the rest of the team, that this type of behavior isn't tolerated here. But unfortunately I the rest of the players think it is and it very well may cost them a playoff spot because of it.