Most accomplished superstars of all time that did not have in ring or mic skills

[Disturbed]

Who is the Most Accomplished Superstar in the history of pro wrestling who could not wrestle and didn't have good promo skills?

That pretty much explains everything. Everyone knows there are past superstars who had a lot of accomplishments but in reality, they really weren't very good at all. Some might say the obvious answer is the Great Khali, however I will already throw my opinion out there and say I disagree because Khali isn't that accomplished. He only has one World Title and has never accomplished anything else.

I am going to answer my question and say The Ultimate Warrior. The prime of his career was before I was even born but I have seen a lot of his work on WWE Classics On Demand and different dvds I have. He might not be as bad as some may make him out to be but Gold almighty, he is deffinitely pretty bad. It is hard for me to watch his matches because it seems like he screws everything up. Warrior doesn't have in ring psycology at all. It seems as if he was always in the wrong place at the wrong time. Warrior always botched his press slam and dropped many flat on there face. One match of his that I did enjoy was when he faced Hogan at Wrestlemania 6. It wasn't the best match but I enjoyed it because of the electricity in the air. You could cut it with a knife. It was amazing how the crowd was split and didn't know who they wanted to cheer for. Just a fun fact, Edge and Christian were in attendence at the Sky Dome for Wrestlemania 6.

As far as Warrior's mic skills go, I actually enjoy his promos.... but not in a good way, not in a good way at all. It is very hard to understand him and what he said made no sense once so ever. I die laughing when I hear some of his crazy promos. It is just funny how he talks about the Warriors from above and shit.

Now the reason I say he is the most accomplished without ring or mic skills is because he was pretty much a body builder in a wrestling ring that won the intercontinental title, WWE title, and main evented Wrestlemania.

 

[A-Zone]

GOLDBERG! He was 120-0 and WCW champion before he even cut his first promo. That's unheard of!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1ZnN3E2nNw

 

[hardcore4life_is-KoOl]

GOLDBERG! He was 120-0 and WCW champion before he even cut his first promo. That's unheard of!!

he had in ring skills thou & his mike skills wern,t horrible wat about khali? he becane world champ with no skills

 

[afark02]

Hulk Hogan. Anybody else think he had any in ring skills?

 

[OutsiderDX]

Yokozuna

Nobody will accuse him of having great in-ring ability. But in my opinion he was very very good for his size. And he wrestled his role very well.

Of course he didn't speak english during his tenure with the WWF.

But he did become a 2 time world champion, a 2 time tag champion with a very good run with Owen Hart. And he did win a Royal Rumble and Main Event 2 WrestleManias.

Not too shabby, for a guy without wrestling or stick skills.

 

[A-Zone]

he had in ring skills thou & his mike skills wern,t horrible wat about khali? he becane world champ with no skills

No no. Apparently that youtube link by my comment is the first time Goldberg ever SPOKE. 120-0 and champ before you've uttered a word is quite the feat no? Plus even after that, you can't really consider saying "You're Next!" a promo can you?

Secondly Khali is now lucky if he's gets a stint dancing on Superstars before he's future endeavoured. Goldberg from his debut to the moment he left WWE was consistently in the main event and one of the biggest names in the game. If your mic skills are as limited as his were and you can make that kind of impact in the business....you're pretty accomplished I'd say!

 

[kingjaekob]

Just cause Hogan wasnt a Scientific wrestler, doesnt MEAN he didnt have ring skills! I think it s a very uneducated answer! I think its Goldberg/Benoit

 

[Disturbed]

Hulk Hogan. Anybody else think he had any in ring skills?

Hulk Hogan might not of been the best in ring competitor and I am by no means a fan of his but you have to give him credit where credit is due. Hogan was the top guy in WWF for the better part of a decade. His ability to draw was unreal.

he had in ring skills thou & his mike skills wern,t horrible wat about khali? he becane world champ with no skills

Didn't I mention Khali? And say he wasn't very accomplished because he only won a World Title and that was it. Khali didn't do anything else. His World title reign was just a short term thing.

 

[Charismatic Enigma]

Just cause Hogan wasnt a Scientific wrestler, doesnt MEAN he didnt have ring skills! I think it s a very uneducated answer! I think its Goldberg/Benoit

Are you joking? I pretty much think Benoit is the scum of the earth for what he did, but there isn't anyone on the planet that could make the argument he wasn't a phenomenal wrestler. He deserved his spot, and then some IMO.

 

[Tattooed Jesus]

Yeah I think anyone that has made it to the main event level has either got to have one of the two.

No not all of them have both, in fact those are few and far between.

Jeff Hardy immediately popped into my head when I first read the question. He is definitely sloppy in the ring and just gets sloppier the older he gets. He was best know for and gained most of his popularity because of the insane bumps he took in WWE. His mic skills were complete shit back then, but he has charisma and a connection to the crowd that many other don't and never will have. I think this is the same kinda thing that the Ultimate Warrior and Goldberg had as well. They are a presence and a spectacle, and thats why fans loved them so much.

 

[Jerichoholic]

Just cause Hogan wasnt a Scientific wrestler, doesnt MEAN he didnt have ring skills! I think it s a very uneducated answer! I think its Goldberg/Benoit

Benoit? your obviously a ****** or a troll! i would have to agree with the op and go with warrior, i loved him at the time but i was young and naive!

 

[Gabbo]

Warrior is probably the best choice, but just to throw up some other alternatives:

Yokozuna, Sycho Sid, Khali and Lex Luger. All were/are awful but won world titles legit (no Russo - Arquette nonsense).

Other guys like British Bulldog, Chris Masters, Hornswoggle, Jim Duggan and Ahmed Johnson all had/have far better careers than their talent deserved. You could even dig into ECW for loads of talentless guys that made a name for themselves out of the ECW cult like following. Sandman springs to mind.

Someone who is slightly talented but achieved far beyond their means is Jeff Jarrett. He doesn't really fit into this discussion but he just annoys me.

Hogan was a decent wrestler and really understood how to work the fans up, his five moves of doom thing has set the precedent for all major North American wrestlers today and how to get pops from it. That aside he was brilliant on the mic and radiated charisma.

 

[Andy 2 Randy]

David Arquette...You may say that he hasnt accomplished anything, but he's a movie star and former WCW champion..You could compare him to The Rock with that statistic...But you cant! Still to this day i have no idea why Arquette won that title...No ring skills, no mic skills...and when he was at the slammys last year...downright annoyingly bad as a heel!...i'm Just Sayin...

 

[thegreekhero]

Im gonna say the current Hardy Brothers.

Jeff Hardy - He was very athletic when he first began wrestling. He's known for his extreme bumps and his risk-taking spots. But now on TNA, he's gonna very lazy with his work and doesn't give the effort he used to. You can even tell that he's not happy with where he is. He walks down the ramp so vaguely, his moveset has been reduced alot, and it doesnt seem that he wants to try anymore. About his mic skills, we can all agree he never really had it.

Matt Hardy - Again, he was good [and skinny] when he first started. I think he's had some pretty good rivalries and good spots in singles competition and with his brother. But now look at him. His moveset is pretty bad [check the latest weeks on TNA with his fued against AJ] and his mic skills weren't amazing, but I think his mic skills are better than his brothers.

 

[Radical Canadian Goose]

I'm going to have to say Big Show. He is absolutely horrible in the ring, he is just so slow and seems uncomfortable. I know he's a giant and that is likely the main reason for it, but whenever he comes on TV I either go to the bathroom or change the channel. His mic skills are mediocre at best

 

[laddclan]

I'll see your Big Show, and raise you Andre the Giant. He was a giant, and that's about it. He couldn't talk, and really all he did was be a big giant. Luckily he was paired with Heenan and the Million Dollar Man to make him completely evil during the 80s.

 

[MMK]

It's The Ultimate Warrior. Or as Vince McMahon would have said in the 80's The Uuuuuuuuuultimate Warrior.

Warriors promos were laughable. People were laughing at him, not with him. Only Ken Patera cut worse promos, but he was not nearly as successful as Warrior.

Warrior was also the sloppiest in the ring. Guys hated wrestling him because he took so many liberties with their bodies. He injured more guys than anyone else, usually on purpose.

He had zero mic skills and zero in ring skills and yet still became the first ever co-holder of the WWF/IC titles and at that point had even become more popular than Hulk Hogan while they were both still in their prime. Those are some pretty amazing feats for a guy with zero skills.

Other names memtioned dont really come close. Its not Khali, Andre, or Yokos fault that they couldnt cut a promo. Andre's giganticism made it hard for him to speak and english wasnt a first language for Khali/Yoko. Hell, yoko didnt even speak Japanese, so what do people expect of him? For a guy who couldnt speak english and wasnt actually japanese, he still managed to play that role pretty convincingly. I'd say thats pretty damn good. As for Goldberg, he didnt speak much, but when he did he was pretty articulate, unlike Warrior. But Goldberg never reaced the same level of success as Warrior. So its definitely the Uuuuuuuuuuultimate Warrior

 

[simeon63]

This is an easy one to answer it would have to be Bruno Sammartino, he holds the record as the longest running champion holding the title for 11 years. They guy had hardly any mike skills but back then it wasn't about having mike skills. But based on the question Bruno is and was the most accomplished wrestler to not have any mike skills.

 

[GodCompleX]

I'll see your Big Show, and raise you Andre the Giant. He was a giant, and that's about it. He couldn't talk, and really all he did was be a big giant. Luckily he was paired with Heenan and the Million Dollar Man to make him completely evil during the 80s.

You can't be serious. Andre by the time you're talking about was well over 5-600lbs and 7ft 4in! His moveset was perfect for his attributes.Headbutts, bearhugs, slams, punches, corner crushes and splashes. What did you want him to do? Hurricarana's and moonsaults? look back at some 60's and 70's footage of Andre and you'll see a more agile giant who actually came off the top a few times. And for mic skills I'm quite certain they were better in French since thats his native language.

 

[Jason Scene]

There are a few.

The Great Khali obviously. Horrible wrestler and has never even talked English except for badly worded English even though he actually CAN talk the language.

Hulk Hogan and John Cena have poor in-ring skills compared to the likes of Hart, Benoit, Guerrero and Jericho but they were saved by the fact that they had good microphone skills, bits of charisma and pushes.

Yokozuna and Ultimate Warrior, and if UW had actually cut coherant promos he wouldn't have been as bad, but fuck sake he used to go on about the most hillucinagetic shit known to man.

 

[steinerscrewdriver]

Warrior is probably the best choice, but just to throw up some other alternatives:

Yokozuna, Sycho Sid, Khali and Lex Luger. All were/are awful but won world titles legit (no Russo - Arquette nonsense).

Other guys like British Bulldog, Chris Masters, Hornswoggle, Jim Duggan and Ahmed Johnson all had/have far better careers than their talent deserved. You could even dig into ECW for loads of talentless guys that made a name for themselves out of the ECW cult like following. Sandman springs to mind.

Someone who is slightly talented but achieved far beyond their means is Jeff Jarrett. He doesn't really fit into this discussion but he just annoys me.

Hogan was a decent wrestler and really understood how to work the fans up, his five moves of doom thing has set the precedent for all major North American wrestlers today and how to get pops from it. That aside he was brilliant on the mic and radiated charisma.

Sid is a great second choice after the ultimate warrior. Sid just looked scary and never spoke well or really wrestle. Luger was not terrible but I see your point. However, I think the British Bulldog should have had a short little title reign. The Bulldog was not good on the Mic but the man was a pretty good wrestler all things considered.

 

[Midnite Express 2009]

If looking at the whole "accomplished" thing overall, I'd have to give a slight nod to Hulk Hogan over The Junkyard Dog. God love JYD, but even when he was Bill Watts in the Mid-South, he was so over, but had very limited in ring skills, if any. I know his character was supposed to be a brawler, but JYD was so over, it couldn't have killed him to have a few technical holds mastered. Same with Hulk Hogan (insert the following: I need not explain why I picked Hulk Hogan!!!). A close third would be Michael Hayes. Michael Hayes was such a fantastic talker with mic skills on par with Dusty Rhodes, Ric Flair & Roddy Piper, but his matches pretty much sucked, even when he was paried with Jimmy "Jam" Garvin. I enjoyed his promos but that's where it stopped for me. He just couldn't give me, IMO, a great match. Good, decent, but not great. But Hulk Hogan? OMG, he was the company's figurehead for over 10 years & still didn't know a wrist lock from a wrist watch!!!

 

[FatGuyIan]

To say that Hogan and Cena belong in this conversation is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. People can hate on them all they want for the 5 moves of doom, but they are both WAAAAAAY better in their primes than hordes of other people. And they both can rock the stick? Hogan lost it to some degree, but they both work the crowd better than almost anyone else.

Warrior, Sid and Yoko are good examples in my eyes, as are The Hardys. They're both fat, incoherent druggies at this point and it's pitiful to watch the disaster unfold when they even come near the ring.

 

[laddclan]

You can't be serious. Andre by the time you're talking about was well over 5-600lbs and 7ft 4in! His moveset was perfect for his attributes.Headbutts, bearhugs, slams, punches, corner crushes and splashes. What did you want him to do? Hurricarana's and moonsaults? look back at some 60's and 70's footage of Andre and you'll see a more agile giant who actually came off the top a few times. And for mic skills I'm quite certain they were better in French since thats his native language.

Sure I'm serious. The Andre from the 80s is the Andre I grew up with. And you list the 5 moves that Andre could do, and do well.

No, I don't consider Andre needing to Hurricarana's or anything aerial... but when you have other "giants" be they Undertaker or even Big Show that can take it off a top rope or turnbuckle, that at least shows they can do more than just "be big".

I would put Hogan on the list as well for in-ring ability, yet nobody rocked the mic quite like Hogan during the height of Hulkamania...brother!

I guess my criteria for in-ring skills is simply different. Can you be more than one dimensional? Sure you can be a strong grappler... but can you fly? Can't fly.. can you get technical on the mat? Savage. Steamboat. Hart. Multi-faceted wrestlers that can adapt to their opponent.

 

[The Mizard of Oz]

I would go with Lex Luger...one of the biggest stars of the 90's and he had zero discernible talent, except for his awesome, rockin' tits. Comically terrible on the mic...unbelievably boring in the ring.

Luger actually became a punchline to me, as when asked, I would always name him as my favorite wrestler. I would also pretend to be him when wrestling around with friends. There is no more fearsome move in the history of wrestling than THE STEEL-PLATED FOREARM!

Quit simply, no one else in the last thirty years was the Total Package of Suck. Lex couldn't wrestle. Lex couldn't talk. Yet, Lex is a multi-time World Champion, and one of the biggest catalysts of the Monday Night Wars.

Plus, he killed Ms. Elizabeth.