Monday Night RAW vs Monday Night Football: Should Vince be worried?

[Freddy4190]

If you've read anything on the WZ main page. MNF completely shattered RAW in the ratings war.

"Last night's post-Hell In A Cell PPV edition of WWE RAW hosted by Ben Roethlisberger scored a final cable rating of 3.3, up from last week's 3.1."

"SportsBusinessDaily.com is reporting that The Monday Night Football game featuring The Minnesota Vikings vs The Green Bay Packers drew a whopping 14.2 cable rating. If this is indeed the final number, then it will be the biggest rating drawn by a single program in the history of cable television."

Maybe it was just that game that drew so much interest, what with it being Favre vs Green Bay. That's just an insane blowout. RAW has never drawn numbers, correct me if i'm wrong, anywhere close to that. I'm not too sure of all how the ratings work, so take it easy. But in my opinion, while the product of the WWE isn't THAT BAD, it seems to be losing interest, and losing it quick. Should Vince be worried that he's drawing such low numbers? PPV buys, ratings, everything. It's sloping downwards. What do ya'll think? Is this a reason for Vince to step up and get shit straight?

 

[powerade]

come on dude....are you new to this? Did you just realize that for the past 20 years or so RAW has been going up against MNF???

When the football season is on, MNF will always win. Happens every year....vince is not worried like you think.

 

[ck-g2006]

I think Vince should worry about the WWE product anyway because WWE fans know what to expect now, no suprise, same feuds i feel if they dont make new stars (Main Eventers) wwe will become stale. discuss

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

I think Vince should worry about the WWE product anyway because WWE fans know what to expect now, no suprise, same feuds i feel if they dont make new stars (Main Eventers) wwe will become stale. discuss

I completely agree with you. And you know what? Apparently, the fans just keep on watching anyway.

What does that say about wrestling fans?


As far as MNF goes, Vince has been going up against the NFL for years. These past couple years, I have noticed that WWE's base seems to erode little by little when football season is over, though.

However, I would expect that Raw's ratings dip below a 3.0 in the coming weeks. Wouldn't be surprised if it happens next week, as a matter of fact ... with two guest hosts nobody cares about.

 

[TimeToPlayTheGame09]

MNF is always going to win out over Raw because it's not on all year. I think there are bigger football fans than wrestling fans. Vince is not worried at all because he has so many other projects going on. Vince or the WWE will never hurt for anything. Vince knows what he is doing when it comes to making a profit. That's the reason why he hasn't taken too much interest in trying to turn raw and the ppv around. It seems like he just providing shows to get by not to gain more fans. It would be nice to see MNR beat football, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

 

[Cheney]

No, MNF didn't just pop out of no where, it's been there and has always been competition and for football you can guarantee that at least half if not more of the two home town teams fans are going to watch their team over RAW as well.

Still a 3.3 isn't a bad rating at all, considering RAW was doing 2.8/9's at this time last year. Besides the fact they were doing 3.6s for a couple weeks straight even with football on.

Vince worried about football? No

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

I think there are bigger football fans than wrestling fans.

What gave you the first clue? The fact that the NFL sells out several stadiums a week, maybe?

Vince is not worried at all because he has so many other projects going on.

Like what, exactly? What types of projects? What type of revenue are these "projects" bringing to the company?

Vince or the WWE will never hurt for anything. Vince knows what he is doing when it comes to making a profit. That's the reason why he hasn't taken too much interest in trying to turn raw and the ppv around. It seems like he just providing shows to get by not to gain more fans. It would be nice to see MNR beat football, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

Raw will never beat MNF in ratings. Never. And that is because clearly there are an overwhelming number of football fans compared to wrestling fans. It is actually a legitimate sport that is more attractive to a majority of consumers, as compared to a scripted wrestling product.

 

[shafe_41]

Why would he be worried? MNF has beaten Raw pretty much every single Monday night since the beginning of time. This isn't even news. Plus considering MNF only lasts like 4 months, Vince doesn't sit around in the corner shitting his pants with a snot bubble in his nose saying "omfgz, mnf is only 8 months away."

If you've read anything on the WZ main page. MNF completely shattered RAW in the ratings war.

Plus, it's hardly a ratings war. MNF is like the US Army. Raw is like... Baltimore.

I'm not too sure of all how the ratings work, so take it easy.

Then why start a thread about a topic you freely admit you don't know anything about?

 

[JBK2008]

Raw will never beat MNF but it only last 4 months, so Vince will suck it up and try to do some damage to it, but just move on eventually and continue with Raw. No he shouldn't be worried one bit.

 

[Kliq]

@ OP: It's hilarious that you basically state with quotes that there is nothing to worry about, and then ask if there is something to worry about. RAW's ratings went UP against Vikings-Green Bay. I am tempted to repeat that just so everyone understands. The most anticipated game so far, possibly the largest rated program in cable television history, and RAW's rating went UP from last week even without that big of star power to guest host.

There is nothing to worry about.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Why would he worry about it. He'll never beat MNF so why even try. Ratings will always drop during football season (just like with every other show on the planet) so all you can do is prepare for it and just weather the storm. Ratings will pick up in January so there's no need for concern.

 

[johnbragg]

I remember vaguely back at the height of Attitude Era that wrestling was challenging MNF's audience dominance. So Raw or Nitro might have beaten MNF once or twice, or maybe just contributed to MNF's ratings declining compared to the 1970's or 1980's.

If Raw ever, ever beat MNF it would be a huge deal.

Raw's highest rating ever was an 8.1 in 1999, according to some guy on the Internet who I found with Google
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Compare that to the NFL. ESPN's Preseason Monday Night Football games this year averaged a 4.3.
What, you think I'm making this up? Go ahead, check it yourself.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

I remember vaguely back at the height of Attitude Era that wrestling was challenging MNF's audience dominance. So Raw or Nitro might have beaten MNF once or twice, or maybe just contributed to MNF's ratings declining compared to the 1970's or 1980's.

If Raw ever, ever beat MNF it would be a huge deal.

Raw's highest rating ever was an 8.1 in 1999, according to some guy on the Internet who I found with Google
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Compare that to the NFL. ESPN's Preseason Monday Night Football games this year averaged a 4.3.
What, you think I'm making this up? Go ahead, check it yourself.

The trick back while the Wrestling Wars were going on was that Raw and Nitro would combine their ratings and claim that more people were watching wrestling than football.

Neither Raw nor Nitro alone could ever beat MNF.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

First off, over here on the west coast, Monday night football airs at 5:30 pm, Raw air at nine pm. Even if overtime occurs, ratings are barley affected. For example, I was able to watch the full Monday night football game, and the post game interviews with time to spare before raw started. I know that ratings are still affected in eastern and central time zones, but that brings me to my next point/opinion.

I have no doubt in my mind that there are plenty of viewers who are tuning out raw, and watching MNF instead ( Eastern/Central time zones). I know MNF has been around for many years, and has always affected ratings in some sort; but with the PG era in full effect I'm sure there losing more viewers to MNF than ever before.

I'm not taking a shot at the PG rating, but the fact is more and more teens, and adults are tuning out for other programming. That had to be expected, if they target kids their going to get less viewership from other age groups. Its harder to bank on consistent ratings with 8-16 year old kids. Vince feels the need to plant the seed for the new generation, and that's fine. Most of us have accepted that, and adjusted accordingly.

I for one, had a streak of almost two straight of watching every WWE ppv. That ended at Breaking point, now I have a new streak going, 2 PPV's in a row that I didn't watch. The product is not aimed for my full entertainment anymore, I've adjusted. I still watch Raw and Smackdow, but I don't feel the need to tune in religiously every week, for every show.

To wrap it up, MNF has always taken away from ratings, nothing new here, but combined with the new Pg era, more and more adults don't feel they have to tune in. They know that the RAW product is watered down, as is the whole wwe for the most part ( I still really enjoy ECW, in my opinion the best hour of WWE that you can watch in a week).

 

[CJGV1]

What alot of you are probably forgetting is that there is barely anyone outside of north america that gives two monkeys about the NFL. I imagine the combined worldwide market of RAW is enough to please Vinnie Mac as I would go as far to say that the WWE is more popular than all the major legit sports (NFL, NHL, NBA etc.) overseas... probably combined!

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

What alot of you are probably forgetting is that there is barely anyone outside of north america that gives two monkeys about the NFL. I imagine the combined worldwide market of RAW is enough to please Vinnie Mac as I would go as far to say that the WWE is more popular than all the major legit sports (NFL, NHL, NBA etc.) overseas... probably combined!

The problem here is those people outside America, who don't give two monkey about the NFL, have no effect on the Monday night ratings war. I'm sure Vince is pretty happy with the overseas market, but I doubt it makes up for the lackluster raw ratings.

 

[Southwind]

I highly doubt VKM considers MNF as competition if he does he is a fool, football is king right now Vince shouldn't be worried about it he should be worried about his product maybe the fact that Raw only has one main event level heel for starters.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

I highly doubt VKM considers MNF as competition if he does he is a fool, football is king right now Vince shouldn't be worried about it he should be worried about his product maybe the fact that Raw only has one main event level heel for starters.

Well fact is, any show on the same time as RAW is competition, Vince may not consider the WWE sports entertainment anymore, but it still is.

He may not be worried, but he should be a little concerned, and not so much with the Monday night competition, but if the ratings don't pick back up in the next few months, than it says more about the current product than the competition.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

What's to be worried about? Monday Night Football has always been on opposite of Raw on Monday nights and Raw is still around. MNF is an American institution in a way that pro wrestling will never quite equal up to. Raw is never going to beat MNF in ratings, Vince pretty well knows this and has known it for years upon years.

It's true that it's taken a chunk of Raw's audience, but it almost always has for the most part. As long as Raw is able to score in the 3's on a regular basis over the next few months, Vince won't ultimately be concerned about anything.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

The problem here is those people outside America, who don't give two monkey about the NFL, have no effect on the Monday night ratings war. I'm sure Vince is pretty happy with the overseas market, but I doubt it makes up for the lackluster raw ratings.

What exact Monday night ratings war are you talking about? The WWE doesn't compete with MNF. Never has and never will.

As far as West Coast people getting Raw at 9, not exactly. If you have Directv(like I do)or Dish you get the East Coast feed of USA. So if I watch it I get to watch Raw live.

Maybe the bigger story should be is why the SB champs were hosting Raw on the night of supposedly such a huge game. Yes that is sarcasm.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

What exact Monday night ratings war are you talking about? The WWE doesn't compete with MNF. Never has and never will.

As far as West Coast people getting Raw at 9, not exactly. If you have Directv(like I do)or Dish you get the East Coast feed of USA. So if I watch it I get to watch Raw live.

Maybe the bigger story should be is why the SB champs were hosting Raw on the night of supposedly such a huge game. Yes that is sarcasm.

Any show airing at the same time is competing for that time slots audience, just because one is a sport, and the other is "entertainment", they still fight for the same audience.

I don't know the numbers off hand, but there are way more cable users than direct t.v. It still makes a difference in ratings.

 

[Southwind]

If VKM considers MNF competition then he should have waved the white flag a long time ago, Raw has it's issues and MNF's out of the world ratings may expose Raw a bit and hopefully force Vince to spice things up although I doubt it happens.

 

[ECW2908]

Well anytime you have the storyline of Favre coming back to play against the team that rejected him and basically said he didnt have it anymore and he comesback at age 39 and puts on a passing clinic like he did. That week Raw didnt have a chance. Also football always beats out Raw as said before.

The WWE product has become stale and is lacking many interesting momments it use to have. Does Vince care about the dropping ratings and slumping PPV's? Hell No. If you really look at it why would he? WHen WCW went down that was his only competition he worked hard for years fighting to stay alive. Now he has no one to run against. TNA is miles behind in ratings they draw like a 1.2 or something. Also the brands have made WWE stale.


ECW went out of business WWE lost its place to get established stars and memorable gimmicks. Look at the stars of WWE in the past current history. RVD,The Dudleys,Rhino,Tajiri,and more while they were not main even guys they provided mid card fueds and momments. Now WWE has to find the new guys by themselves

 

[ThePeoplesChampion]

Lord Sidous said it right....it can be the Lions vs. Raiders and it will still draw bigger numbers than raw cause there are more football fans than wrestling fans...and i mean think bout it Fantasy Football has 30 million users so alot of those people are watching to see how there players are doing to add to the fans of the teams....and Raw has been competing with Monday Night Football for years they have and will lose the ratings to it....thing is the Game was Bret Farve hosting the Green Bay Packers his former team....That's history....and then you add that Aaron Rodgers and Adrian Peterson was in this to boot...and Football in America is the Most Popular Sport. And dont expect to see that high of rankings With Monday Night Football and Baseball Playoffs going on...Wrestling isnt in the NFL league or MLB, NBA, NCAA leagues.

 

[ThePeoplesChampion]

[/QUOTE]Compare that to the NFL. ESPN's Preseason Monday Night Football games this year averaged a 4.3.
What, you think I'm making this up? Go ahead, check it yourself.[/QUOTE]

Dude pre season football is totally different than regular season...preseason doesnt matter...of coarse preseason has low rankings...so does preseason NBA and MLB...but the fact the matter is PRESEASON football still drawed more...cause football is more popular than wrestling...vince knows that.