*MERGED* [OFFICIAL] Undertaker vs Kane discussion

[RayneJames81]

I honestly dont know where the story line is going with the Taker and KANE but I actually kinda like it. And, as far as Paul Bearer, that would be SO awesome if he did return at NOC or some PPV! Just as Taker is getting weak and about to lose to Kane, lights go out and music hits(Takers) and out comes Paul with the Urn in his hand. I think the crowd would go nuts and it doesnt need to be a long time deal, just the PPV and hand over the urn or something. I think it would be cool to see Taker and Bearer re-unite one LAST time

 

[Ferbian]

While I would love for Paul Bearer to return as a manager of The Undertaker, or Kane for that sake (really doesn't matter to me, he was great either way), I'm pretty certain that he won't be coming back.

Paul (a.k.a Percy) has run his course with WWE, the gimmick in itself, as well as the things it brought with it isn't really needed anymore. Primarily it was a way to contribute to Undertaker's creepy like gimmick. Something that Undertaker solves by himself already, especially with the edition of Kane, to be a little bit creepy himself.

Also you have to remember that WWE actually killed the character, he was buried in cement by The Undertaker. Kinda hard to recover from that considering Paul wasn't dead.

I would welcome Paul Bearer back to WWE taping, however I doubt it would happen.

 

[goldbergiswrestling]

Ok I have kind of been thinking on this for about a week.

Last Week Undertaker cut a promo that reminded me of his biker gimmick saying things like "I am not dead yet, but I am very much the dead man, and this is still my yard"

This week it is revealed that Kane now has the Undertakers powers and the Undertaker is now powerless. I say at Kane wins at Night of Champions. and maybe continue the fued on for another month with Kane eventually putting Undertaker out. then sometime around royal rumble or Elimination Chamber Undertaker's old music hits and out he comes on a bike and challenges Kane to a match at Wrestlemania. In which, if Undertaker retires after this wrestlemania like many believe is a possability, Kane should win.

This accomplishes 2 things, a great ending to a great career letting a man that Undertaker has a great personal history with go over him.

It also lets him give a good retirement speech. and hall of fame acceptance speech while in character he can go on with his life as being a normal guy after he is done with life in the ring.

 

[Sora/roxas]

Ehh...

I dont want to see the fued going on for that long. It should be a 1-2 month fued with the undertaker winning. And the Undertaker shouldnt put over kane at wrestlemania. I personally feel he should either go undefeated or put over a young heel to launch them to stardom.

 

[goldbergiswrestling]

Ehh...

I dont want to see the fued going on for that long. It should be a 1-2 month fued with the undertaker winning. And the Undertaker shouldnt put over kane at wrestlemania. I personally feel he should either go undefeated or put over a young heel to launch them to stardom.

while I understand where u are coming from but they also dont want to waist it on a guy who is going to jump ship to TNA at some point. Kane has proven his loyalty to WWE and has said recently in an onterview he doesnt plan pn stopping any time soon.

 

[TSG]

Yes, I just said that. I went there. And half of you probably think I'm crazy right now. So here out what I got for this.

So, we go into NOC and Kane wins as we all think he will. So we advance to the inevitable Hell in a Cell match between the two and...Kane wins again. Yeah, have the younger brother go over. Make it look like Kane is finally the stronger brother of the two, and that Undertaker is losing it. Then the storyline writes itself. Over the next few months have Undertaker go up against Punk, Show, Swagger, Rio, etc... and puts up a fight but the other guy always escapes with the win, sometimes dirty if you don't think the opponet is big enough yet to go over clean. And this leads to either one of two things:

A. Undertaker heel turn. He snaps after a loss and goes to a darker Ministry-like persona, attacking babyfaces and going on some kind of tirade or another about regaining his power at Mania, not going down yet, the demon returning, etc...Whatever it makes for entertaining television.

or

B. And this is more likely out of the two secnarios, a heel steps up from the shadows and challenges Undertaker's streak, announcing that the Undertaker's powers are slowly dying away, and he is going to kill the legend once and for all. Possibly because he's The Miz and he's Awesome, or because he is a good, honest man, who is going to clear the WWE of Taker's darkness, or even because there will be a new wind of change blowing on Smackdown. But in any case, it would be entertaining.

Anyway, I think Kane should go over Undertaker. It isn't like it gives Undertaker anything to go over in this fued, it gives us something new and fresh, and writes storylines through Mania with Taker themself. So do you all think I'm crazy, or should Kane go over ol' "Big Brother"?

 

[Layorz]

Personally, I love Undertaker and I love Kane, and when they are together, be it feuding or teaming, it's pure gold to me, as long as it doesn't drag on too long.

I'm very into this storyline, and I'm loving the fact that Kane is almost running circles around Undertaker at the moment. Kanes never looked so dominant and strong next to the Undertaker, not since he first showed up. I'm starting to expect Kane to retain and beat Undertaker at NOC, and I'd love that to be the case. But there is just too much that can happen, and the only reason Kane would beat the Undertaker would be to have the Undertaker come back later and take Kane down. I dunno about you guys, but even as much of a fan of the Brothers of Destruction as I am, I'm not sure if I like the idea of these two feuding for too long. I really hope it's over well before Wrestlemania, because I'd rather see Sheamus or Wade Barrett take the Undertaker on.

 

[LigerBomb]

Yea, beyond the thread title I didn't read anything else.

Anyway, why not? I'm all for it. Kane has been the bitch for so long it'd be nice to see him get one over on The Deadman for a change. Is it the best thing to do? I'm not sure.

Depends on how much gas is left in the tank for ol' Booger Red. Him an' his "soup bones" ain't getting any younger, that's for damn sure. He could really make a guy if he were to drop a big match or (heaven forbid) "The Streak".

Should it be Kane? Well, he's on the wrong half of his career as well and it could be better to give a younger guy the rub. The only problem of course is that there really isn't anyone coming in right now that could legit carry such a pressure. Brock folded and he was probably the best bet. Barrett? Sheffield? I dunno (but I doubt it).

So sure put Kane over. But make it mean something. Don't build him up and then return him to his old post as Upper Mid-card jobber fodder. Make him look legit, give him a run. Then job him out to a face of course (or turn him).

 

[Super Strudel]

Ligerbomb makes a good point. There is no point Kane going over Taker if he is going back to losing to anyone considered above the mid card title area.

Kane should go over Taker. Kane has more to lose credibility wise than Taker. If Taker loses, that's fine. He was weak. He'll come back stronger, no biggy.
If Kane loses, then his interactions with Taker will always be a blot on his career. More of a blot than his days as Ted DiBiase's dentist.

Undertaker doesn't need the belt. So why give him another pass-the-parcel run with it? This title run is more than just Kane getting the upper hand on the Undertaker. It's about adding some substance to an otherwise underrated career.

 

[Trill Co$by]

I will agree with this topic, and then give a reason why...

WrestleMania 27 (which I will be attending), where the titles are going to be unified. To me, seeing Orton walk in as WWE champ and Kane walk in as World champion would work wonders... the two could put on a classic and in the end, Taker would be able to keep his streak going.

 

[darqknyt]

There's nothing incredibly amazing about this current chapter of their feud,but it has been midly interesting.The biggest problem lies in the threat of another Taker victory.That's probably the real reason alot of people are sceptical.If they want to do something we've never seen before, Taker should job to Kane @ HIAC2010

 

[Aeon Mathix]

I agree with your idea to an extent. This program is turning out better then i expected. Its never been about kane being the dominant one. I mean sure when they had a program in 2003-04 kane buried the undertaker alive, but we all knew taker would come back to win and along that storyline Kane was scared shitless of The undertaker possibly returning. In this storyline, Kane has all the confidence and advantages saying hes out of his brother's shadow and that its basically His time to shine. Back to your idea, I think it would be a good idea to have taker return to the biker gimmick right before he retires. I mean sure it wouldnt make a lot of sense for him to do a change right before he retires, but this would allow him to get a good send off. Maybe its just me but I would want Taker to cut a farewell promo or something of that nature rather then a "dead man" taker end with him being buried alive or something. Probably because hes one of the reasons i got into wrestling and I would love to see one of my favorites go out on an emotional good note. Although I do not like the idea of kane ending the streak after 2 trys. Well im one that doesnt think the streak SHOULD (not saying it wont) end. I think they established that it wont end after HBK came closer then anyone 2 times in a row and still lost. But if it must end it should be a superstar taker would pass the tourch to so to speak. Would probably have to be heel considering if anyone ever ended it they would get heel heat for the rest of their career. So yes I do think taker should return to the biker gimmick and it would add a lot to the story with taker saying "you may have my powers but i have other tricks up my sleeve" or something along the lines of that.

 

[XdivisionchampRDS]

I don't see it lasting straight through mania but kane should be the one to end the streak so i like your idea undertaker has been running out of steam and when he is gone they will need a "demon" to remain dominant

 

[SimplyJay]

Your idea is good but gimmick change for just a short period of time is something I dont look forward to. The biker gimmick ran its course, Taker should retire as the Deadman since he debuted with this gimmick at first. And as far as the wrestlemania streak goes, it should either never end or it should be ended by someone who has some potential, right now its Orton. But this feud should continue till maybe Royal Rumble but not more than that. Its the best thing going on Smackdown right now, WWE sure has another plans for both Kane and Taker for Wrestlemania.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

With the current booking that the WWE are utilising in building up Kane, I think it's a fair assumption to allow Kane to go over in the feud with his very over brother Undertaker and continue to ride this momentum wave. However, when I say this... the end of the feud should see Kane becoming the victor of all this. The history between these two is quite lengthy, and it always dictates Taker going over Kane. Why not switch it up and allow Kane to get some boost, since he appears to be around longer than Taker will be?

Back to the booking of late, Undertaker going over Kane now and gaining some retribution would be acceptable. Why... because Kane has shown for weeks (in this feud) and months (his hunt for the attacker) that he has become the Big Red Monster once again, looking very very strong. Allowing Taker to win will make him a threat to Kane, but still gives Kane a reason to be pissed and develop more depth to this character he is playing for the feud. Simple storyline stuff here... allow the person who isn't being booked strong to win, evening things out.


But I agree with Kane going over Taker... it's most likely the last feud they'll have and Kane getting one-up at least against his brother would do good for him, history wise and in the long term.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I wouldn't mind at all if Kane ultimately went over in this feud, but I don't see it happening in the end. I do expect Kane to go over at NOC and possibly even the next ppv but he's not going to be able to come out on top in every match these two have. That's especially true with the World Heavyweight Championship being contested for. If Kane didn't have the title, I think it would be at least somewhat feesible for Kane to be able to ultimately come out with losing via pinfall or submission to Taker in this feud.

Ultimately, Kane is always going to be in The Undertaker's shadow. It's far too late to expect that is going to change overall in the course of wrestling history. They've feuded too many times with Taker ultimately coming out on top. In this current feud, I can see Taker jobbing cleanly to Kane at least once, maybe twice but anything more than that is just too unlikely I think. The Undertaker is a bankable star and much more of a draw than Kane has ever been. The August 27th episode of Smackdown, the episode in which Taker's return was advertised, drew 3.3 million viewers. Smackdown generally has drawn somewhere around 2.7-2.8 million viewers on average for a quite a while now. Since his match with CM Punk has been hyped and advertised on WWE programming all week, I'd say this week's show will draw similar numbers.

However, if Kane ultimately does go over in the feud, I'll be happy as well. I've been fan of both wrestlers for a long while and it would be nice for Kane, even if it was just this once, manage to briefly step out of The Undertaker's shadow. I don't think it's likely, hence I'm not going to start jumping up and down and swearing if it doesn't happen.

 

[Furyof5]

I totally agree. I think at one point Kane will win, probably during their first encounter. And in kayfabe Kane is becoming an unstoppable powerful monster. He has already stolen Undertakers powers, and weakened the Phenom, Kane in kayfabe is more powerful than he has ever been, so to keep that momentum and elevate him he needs to beat Taker.

Will we realistically see this happen? Im doubtful. Why Im doubtful is this doesnt seem to be where its going and isnt how wrestling works. In a feud like this the face gets dominated and beaten down until he finally comes back in the end and defeats evil. And thats where it seems to be going. I mean the only reason we believe Kane can win is because Taker is "weakened". So if Taker loses and comes back at full power do we really think hes going to lose to Kane, even when Kane is now this super powered unstoppable version of himself?

It all comes down to what they think is best and if they think that Kane winning should happen in the end. I think it would be perfect, it would make Kane the ultimate monster that he always should have been, and in the end whomever beats him, probably a younger star, will become huge. Where would it leave Taker? And would he actually be able to recover from this? Who knows, but if he retired putting over Kane I think it would be a noble way to go.

 

[I_Am_Electro_Boy]

I don't want this feud to last much longer than a month now. I'm already getting board of it. Anyway why are you so obsessed about someone ending the streak, the streak doesn't need to be ended.

 

[Avitus25]

I'm impressed with what the WWE has done with a feud that no one was interested in seeing before it started. It's actually pretty interesting, and I'm loving the fact that Kane is shown as the dominant brother (which pretty much sets Undertaker up as an obvious winner but meh) but I agree with most of the posters here, it'd be terrible if this feud continued to Wrestlemania.

I also think that Taker will remain with the deadman gimmick until he retires. At the end of the day, it's what he came in with, it's only right that it's what he goes out with, and plus, it's what he's most famous for, and what most fans love about him.

As far Kane ending the streak, I think it'd be a huge waste. Regardless of what Kane says we've got about 5 years left of Kane at the most, and probably less than that, so it's not worth giving him such a rub. I don't think the streak should ever be ended. Let the Undertaker beat someone like Cena or Jericho at Wrestlemania this year, and retire with the streak and his legacy in tact.

 

[Zigglerfan227]

I hope and pray that Kane atleast defeats Undertaker at Night of Champions. Kane deserves to pick up some wins over 'Taker, hopefully clean wins. I would not mind Undertaker winning the fued, but like I said, Kane should pick up a few wins.

 

[Dan E. Inferno]

I'd be very surprised to see Kane come out of this feud on top. I'd like to see Kane go over, but I just can't see it happening. I think Kane deserves a bit of time playing the destructive monster he used to be, and going over Taker would certainly help that. Also, as big of a fan as I am of Taker, he has no real business being world champion in the near future.

Like others, I expect Kane to look very strong at NOC, and pick up a big win over Taker, but that is probably where it ends. I think Kane will still look strong throughout the feud, but as for picking up multiple victories against Taker, it's not very likely. If the feud does go on to Hell in a Cell, I certainly can't see Kane beating Taker in HIAC match. So, I agree with you Sign Guy in that Kane should go over, but I can't predict that he will. But who knows, maybe they'll surprise me.

 

[The Best At What I Do]

I must say I'm quite surprised at the amount of people agreeing with you here... myself included. Going over Taker would do wonders for Kane's career and he definitely deserves it after all the work he has put in and the loyalty he's shown. Taker doesn't need another victory over his little brother. He's already a legend in the business. We could have two deadmen making other superstars look great if this were to happen.

 

[mitchharris1947]

What do you think? Is the Undertaker still suffering the effects from being put into a 'veagative state' by Kane, or Is it all a ploy on his part to lure Kane in. Or is it an iea of creative to shock the audience, with something unexpected, like having Paul Bearer suddenly appear during the match and carying the Urn to rejuvinate the Undertaker.
Becasue if Kane should win, people wil be saying it is only because the Undertaker has not yet recovered from Kane's Beating in May.
Wht is true, and what is a cure ball being thrown at us?

 

[cryostage]

I have a good feeling that Paul Bearer will be back to carying the Urn to rejuvinate taker,
between the next smackdown show and Hell in a Cell, then we will see the old Taker from when he first appeared on tv, over the next few months i think
and if Paul does return this could mean 1 year of distruction for taker which could mean this might be his last year or one big push for Kane to have Paul screw taker again like how he screwed Paul at Pauls last PPv,

 

[adamlufc]

Hi Everyone

Long time reader but first time poster.

The way this feud has been going I can definatly see it going on until Wrestlemania............kind of.

My theory is that we will see the feud until Survivor Series, where we will have some sort of gimmick match between the two (casket, buried alive) which will remove one brother (depending on which way the feud is going to end) from the feud.

Then we will have a break of a few months until the Road to Wrestlemania begins, with whoever lost at Survivor Series returning and eventually winning the feud at Wrestlemania.

Now I personally would have Kane beat Taker at Survivor Series, and come back to win at Wrestlemania, but I have a feeling that Kane will end the streak this year

I know I read somewhere a long time ago that Taker wanted Kane to end the streak when it does happen and with the way this feud is going it's making me wonder if the streak is actually going to end??