Matt Hardy should be FIIIIIIIIIIIRED!!!

[The Best At What I Do]

Okay, before the Matt marks (I know you guys are out there, I see you clamoring for a world title push) flame the hell outta me, please just hear me out cuz I have nothing against the guy. I was watching WWE Superstars just now on the interweb since there's no WGN here and after Matt's loss to Ziggler, he threw a little fit in the ring. Then the announcers oh-so-subtly says "what does the future hold for Matt Hardy as his frustration continues?" I immediately thought dammit here we go again.

Not only does Matt hold the record for most drafts from show to show in the WWE, I also believe he holds the record for the most turns from face to heel to face to heel. Matt just recently turned heel earlier this year when he was revealed as Jeff's mystery attacker, then turned back face so quickly to help him that even shareholders couldn't buy into it. Now it looks like they got something planned for him again and it's looking to me like another pointless heel turn. Exactly what SD! needs, another midcard heel on a show where they outnumber faces almost 2:1. Best case scenario: Matt joins Punk's SE followers and joins in on the Jeff-trashing. Even that angle sucks because it'll seem stale due to recent events between him and Jeff.

This is why I say just let the guy go. It's almost painfully obviously he will never grasp that brass ring in the WWE. For his own sake, let him test the waters in TNA or even Taijiri's new wrestling crew and see where he goes. He has won every title (except IC) there is to win in WWE without breaking that glass ceiling which is bulletproof to guys like Matt, Carlito, Finlay and other guys who deserves it but we know will not happen. So what say you?

1) Should Matt be fired and try his luck elsewhere?

2) Am I wrong for thinking Matt will never get a title push? And if so, how do you see that coming about at this point?

3) Where exactly do you see this "frustration" angle heading?

 

[jazzua]

Nah. Why fire him? He is a solid worker who can put on a pretty good match. He can carry a mid card program quite well. Not everyone needs to be a champion. Matt wants it, but that doesn't matter. He serves his purpose in the WWE. He is a talented guy who they will no doubt be able to use for all sorts of things in the future.

As for a world title, you might be right. Matt has a solid fan base, for whatever reason, that are always there. It's a Hardy thing. Problem is they missed their chance with Matt during the Edge angle. He could have became a superstar if they had booked him strong and let him run with the character. I just liken him a little to Owen. He is always kind of the other Hardy. Even though Jeff wasn't at the ME level long, he has always seemed to be a little more important than his brother while they are both in the WWE.

On a side note, how has Carlito ever shown he belongs in the Main event, especially a world title?

 

[Spillz3000]

I wouldn't mind seeing Matt in TNA. Maybe it will reboost his will to wrestle better. Since Jeff is a free Agent I wouldn't put it past TNA to try to reform The Hardys in TNA. Even though TNA is a smaller pond for some reason I can see both Hardys doing real well there. Just a thought but I'd say let him try other waters cause it doesn't seem like Matt is going to be relevant anytime in the near future.

As far as the frustration angle....Probably another pointless heel turn or some kind of new gimmick. Who knows? If Hardy decides to stick it out with WWE and Vice Versa I say bench Matt and let him take time to develop his character again. Send him to FCW and keep him off main TV for a while. Let him feel that hunger again to get better and to want to be a major player and maybe with enough time off WWE TV Hardy can get his mind straight and come back as an entertaining and important wrestler again.

 

[Miko]

I dunno, I think he should turn heel again, just one last time. I've heard he trolls WWE fans on Twitsit, well maybe he should make that his gimmick, just get people's comments about him on the big screen and have him trash them in front of everybody.

Hmm, sorry this post in no way relates to Hardy being fired, well I think he shouldnt get fired, he should do what I just wrote above.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Okay, before the Matt marks (I know you guys are out there, I see you clamoring for a world title push) flame the hell outta me, please just hear me out cuz I have nothing against the guy. I was watching WWE Superstars just now on the interweb since there's no WGN here and after Matt's loss to Ziggler, he threw a little fit in the ring. Then the announcers oh-so-subtly says "what does the future hold for Matt Hardy as his frustration continues?" I immediately thought dammit here we go again.

Not only does Matt hold the record for most drafts from show to show in the WWE, I also believe he holds the record for the most turns from face to heel to face to heel. Matt just recently turned heel earlier this year when he was revealed as Jeff's mystery attacker, then turned back face so quickly to help him that even shareholders couldn't buy into it. Now it looks like they got something planned for him again and it's looking to me like another pointless heel turn. Exactly what SD! needs, another midcard heel on a show where they outnumber faces almost 2:1. Best case scenario: Matt joins Punk's SE followers and joins in on the Jeff-trashing. Even that angle sucks because it'll seem stale due to recent events between him and Jeff.

This is why I say just let the guy go. It's almost painfully obviously he will never grasp that brass ring in the WWE. For his own sake, let him test the waters in TNA or even Taijiri's new wrestling crew and see where he goes. He has won every title (except IC) there is to win in WWE without breaking that glass ceiling which is bulletproof to guys like Matt, Carlito, Finlay and other guys who deserves it but we know will not happen. So what say you?

1) Should Matt be fired and try his luck elsewhere?

2) Am I wrong for thinking Matt will never get a title push? And if so, how do you see that coming about at this point?

3) Where exactly do you see this "frustration" angle heading?

So let me get this straight. Because Matt Hardy will not "grab the brass ring", you think he should be fired? Well, if that's the case and we are firing anyone who doesn't grab the brass ring, we mine as well go ahead and fire 85% of the roster, right?

What asinine logic. I'm sorry, but that is just absolutely stupid.

Not everyone in wrestling needs to be a Main Eventer. You can rattle off an entire list of names who never made it to Main Event status, in wrestling history. You think they should all be fired because they never held the WWE or WWF title?

Best at what you do? If you mean posting ... hardly.

1. Should Matt be fired?

For being a Midcarder? No .. of course not. And it really doesn't dignify a response, but I feel compelled to provide one anyway. What has he done that he should be "fired for". Firing him and him leaving on his own terms to explore other opportunities are two entirely different things.

As far as him doing that, it is his career, and that is his choice. Quite frankly, I would like to see him in TNA, where he may get a bigger push than in WWE at the moment ... which is no push at all. So him leaving for TNA can likely only benefit him.

However, if he chooses to stay in WWE, he has a solid fanbase there, that buys Hardy merchandise. And Jeff's name will still live on in Matt.

2) Am I wrong for thinking Matt will never get a title push? And if so, how do you see that coming about at this point?

He probably won't get a title push. That doesn't mean that he doesn't have a place in the Midcard in holding the Intercontinental Title and putting other guys over. Matt just does not scream "Main Eventer", but there isn't anything necessarily wrong with that. How many guys are Main Eventers in wrestling?

3) Where exactly do you see this "frustration" angle heading?

Him joining Punk is an awful idea at this point. They just turned him Face recently, and this would be too many turns for Matt's character. He needs to stay Face at this point for a while. Plus, as the only Hardy left, it probably is in their best interests to keep him Face, for the sake of the fans.

 

[INDYjon22]

Where exactly are you getting your information on Matt Hardy having the record for most heel/face turns? Please tell me because I would like to see it. No way does he have more heel/face turns then Kane or Jericho or Big Show. Whenever he does switch it last for awhile and his only true heel turns were when he was breaking up with Jeff all two times. After those, he has been a face for the long haul.

As for your question, no i do not believe he should be fired. He is a damn fine worker and puts on some good solid matches which is what the WWE needs. Why would they fire him for that? If anything he should be pushed harder in the mid card. He has proven his worth in the company with many classic moments.

The more likely scenario that I could foresee is him asking for a release so that he can move on and try to become a bigger star. I agree that I don't see him getting though that glass ceiling anytime soon, which is unfortunate. He should take the high road and go the route of Christian and leave WWE for awhile and make a name for himself outside of the WWE. He could go to TNA a do something but I don't really see him being a TNA champion and he could wrestle worldwide but to many good wrestlers get lost when they do that and they never make it back to the WWE.

I think his best move is to stick it out in the WWE for now. He has a brighter future. At the very least he could get a pity WWE title run like Rey Mysterio did and if not he will always be a strong mid card guy.

 

[Tenta]

Okay, before the Matt marks (I know you guys are out there, I see you clamoring for a world title push) flame the hell outta me, please just hear me out cuz I have nothing against the guy.

I'm not a Hardy mark, personally, but even I can disagree with the sentiments of this thread.

I was watching WWE Superstars just now on the interweb since there's no WGN here and after Matt's loss to Ziggler, he threw a little fit in the ring. Then the announcers oh-so-subtly says "what does the future hold for Matt Hardy as his frustration continues?" I immediately thought dammit here we go again.

the mark of a Heel turn. I sense we both see it coming, but we'll get to that eventually.

Not only does Matt hold the record for most drafts from show to show in the WWE, I also believe he holds the record for the most turns from face to heel to face to heel.

Clearly you never watched a WCW program in 2000. folks would turn heel and face in between the night.

Anyway, as for being drafted to different shows, I don't agree. He moved from ECW to Smackdown, because of his feud with Jeff. Led to a great match at Wrestlemania, which he went over. He was still an ECW star, technically. It's similar to when Miz and Morrison go to Smackdown, though they are ECW wrestlers.

From there, he got drafted to Raw. This was going to be the big push. But he got injured. A broken hand and a henia tend to limit you in the ring. So he was sent back to Smackdown, to be built back up. What's the harm in that?

Matt just recently turned heel earlier this year when he was revealed as Jeff's mystery attacker, then turned back face so quickly to help him that even shareholders couldn't buy into it.

He only started playing a face in October. Otherwise, he'd been a heel on his run through Raw, and now is coming on as a fresh face.

Now it looks like they got something planned for him again and it's looking to me like another pointless heel turn. Exactly what SD! needs, another midcard heel on a show where they outnumber faces almost 2:1. Best case scenario: Matt joins Punk's SE followers and joins in on the Jeff-trashing. Even that angle sucks because it'll seem stale due to recent events between him and Jeff.

Have we seen Matt turn heel yet? Do you have a script in front of you? Are you a part of Creative?

Note: If you're going to talk about the future, for the love, you better bring some spoilers with you. I'm going to need a source, and I can't trust the opinion of someone on an internet forum going off a whim. I'm going to need facts here.

This is why I say just let the guy go. It's almost painfully obviously he will never grasp that brass ring in the WWE. For his own sake, let him test the waters in TNA or even Taijiri's new wrestling crew and see where he goes.

So you want him gone, because he won't be World Champion? You know how many people would get cut for that?

Look, the WWE needs a mid card. I don't think he's a big enough name to get the main event push at TNA. And honestly, never do brand new wrestling projects. They're really too much of a crap shoot.

He has won every title (except IC) there is to win in WWE without breaking that glass ceiling which is bulletproof to guys like Matt, Carlito, Finlay and other guys who deserves it but we know will not happen. So what say you?

You think Finlay should be in the main event?

Look, every wrestler has a role to fill. The wrestlers you mentioned are to fill a mid card role, and that seems to work for them. Not every wrestler can reach the main event, because that'd be absolutely crippling to the main event. If anyone can reach the main event, it'll make one wonder what makes those already in the main event so good.

1) Should Matt be fired and try his luck elsewhere?

Not yet. Let him have another year, and see how the market is. If it's any better, and he feels like he can do better elsewhere, sure. But I doubt he will.

2) Am I wrong for thinking Matt will never get a title push? And if so, how do you see that coming about at this point?

I don't think you're "wrong" per se. You're entitled to your opinion. That's what makes us fans. I will say he's not a proven draw, and that he's never had a memorable moment that didn't involve tables and ladders and chairs (Don't say it), but I don't think he's eithetr overrated or underrated. He's just what he is: Rated. He's a mid carder, and that's where he belongs.

3) Where exactly do you see this "frustration" angle heading?

I really have no idea. Perhaps a heel turn. But it's too early to tell.

 

[MoneyMack]

I dont think he needs to be fired. If he does- I can see TNA jumping on him and then Matt convincing Jeff to follow. I think Vince could see this coming from a mile away, and he wouldnt ever let it happen.

I think Matt would be a good replacement for Christian in ECW if you ask me. Helping out the younger guys and all that. Not sure of hes worth the ECW title tho- really. Altho, if that happens- I would then never watch ECW again, most likely Just cuz Christian is not longer there.

What I DONT want to see happen...which Im scared, im going to end up seeing is: Matt turning "straight-edge" and joining CM Punk & Luke Gallows. This would piss me off to no end- cuz I just cant stand matt! I think he ruins everything he touches. I dont want him ruining Punk & his potential stable of "straight-edge superstars"

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Matt Hardy will most likely never get the big push some people want him to get. I've said this before and I'll say it again, Matt's biggest push came when he was ECW champ, and the feud against Jeff this year, and those are probably the two biggest pushes he will EVER get.

Matt shouldn't be fired. He still is a Hardy, and has a nice little fan base, so I see no reason to release him just because he's riding the mid-card. As far as the whole frustration angle, it's still very early, but all the signs would point to a heel turn. Which if it did happen it would be an awful idea because he just turned face a couple of months ago.

 

[Dagger Dias]

1) Should Matt be fired and try his luck elsewhere?

I don't think Matt's all that great either, but firing him is a little too much. He is great for matches against someone being pushed. He has been doing alright in the midcard which is where he should stay. However, all the endless face/heel turns and draft jumps have hurt him more than anything. He can't establish himself as a face/heel if he turns every semester, and he can't establish himself in the midcard of either Raw or Smackdown since he is moved so much. I say keep him in the role he's in but don't turn him or move him so often.

2) Am I wrong for thinking Matt will never get a title push? And if so, how do you see that coming about at this point?

He's gotten title pushes (US, ECW, etc) but you're not wrong for thinking he will never get a world title push. He doesn't have that "it" factor that a champion needs. Jeff had it, despite being awful on the mic. Matt will always be overshadowed by his brother and I don't think he will get a world title push because he cannot overcome being less popular than Jeff.

3) Where exactly do you see this "frustration" angle heading?

Probably nowhere because not enough fans would be behind it going anywhere. I think he will just remain a midcard face and have matches with random people that are getting pushes instead of him. WWE could have capitalized on a Matt push right when Jeff left, but they didn't.

 

[ThePh3nomonal1]

I think Matt will never become a world champion and i do not think wwe will ever fire him.

The reason i think he will never be a world champion is...hes fat, he has not much height and looks ******ed in the tights. I think WWE should of made matt a world champ in 2005that was when he was in the prime of his career and just had the rivalry of the year with Edge. Now the ship has sailed and he will forever be a midcarder until he can get back in shape of make a new unique persona like jeff did with the joker facepaint stuff.

 

[Toroc102]

The WWE would definately be stupid to fire him, he is a perfect enhancement talent for them, someone who'll probably always be over no matter how many times he loses(Rey Mysterio anyone?)

Maybe the better question is should Matt Hardy quit? If I were him I'd probably give TNA a try(assuming money isn't a factor), I don't think I'd want to be a jobber to the stars for the rest of my career, I'd rather get some wins on my side in the number 2. Another option would be drafting him to ECW and letting him "Main-Event" there. I feel like he could fill the Christian capacity there and would be much better suited for it. Christian would make for a better star on SD as well so the swap would seem amicable. Honestly it seems like Matt has kind've let himself go these past couple of years. I remember when he first became V-1 I thought he had all the potential in the world, but when he got back from being fired he seemed to have fallen out of shape. He could also replace Dreamer on ECW except with much more credibility and actually having a good win-loss record.

 

[The Best At What I Do]

I'm not a Hardy mark, personally, but even I can disagree with the sentiments of this thread.

OK then

the mark of a Heel turn. I sense we both see it coming, but we'll get to that eventually.

Glad we agree, let's continue

Clearly you never watched a WCW program in 2000. folks would turn heel and face in between the night.

Hahaha, true but it's pretty unfair to compare anything to WCW in it's dying days. Almost nothing made sense

Anyway, as for being drafted to different shows, I don't agree. He moved from ECW to Smackdown, because of his feud with Jeff. Led to a great match at Wrestlemania, which he went over. He was still an ECW star, technically. It's similar to when Miz and Morrison go to Smackdown, though they are ECW wrestlers.

From there, he got drafted to Raw. This was going to be the big push. But he got injured. A broken hand and a henia tend to limit you in the ring. So he was sent back to Smackdown, to be built back up. What's the harm in that?

No, he literally holds the record for most moves from brand to brand. There's even an article on it here in WZ. It just seems like WWE could never figure out something to do with him

Have we seen Matt turn heel yet? Do you have a script in front of you? Are you a part of Creative?

Note: If you're going to talk about the future, for the love, you better bring some spoilers with you. I'm going to need a source, and I can't trust the opinion of someone on an internet forum going off a whim. I'm going to need facts here.

Clearly I'm just speculating. I've been a wrestling fan for a long time now and I can recognize signs of things to come. You admitted yourself that this is the mark of a heel turn so I'm not sure why you're being a hard-ass here

So you want him gone, because he won't be World Champion? You know how many people would get cut for that?

Look, the WWE needs a mid card. I don't think he's a big enough name to get the main event push at TNA. And honestly, never do brand new wrestling projects. They're really too much of a crap shoot.

Fair enough, being world champion is not the be-all end-all. It just seems to me that Matt wants it very bad and the way WWE is treating his character, it's just not going to happen. Also, I think it's a more-than-fair comparison to call Matt the Christian of his former famous tag team correct? Look who went over to TNA and got some world titles under his belt

You think Finlay should be in the main event?

Hahaha apologies, I actually meant to put quotations around "deserves"

Look, every wrestler has a role to fill. The wrestlers you mentioned are to fill a mid card role, and that seems to work for them. Not every wrestler can reach the main event, because that'd be absolutely crippling to the main event. If anyone can reach the main event, it'll make one wonder what makes those already in the main event so good.

Very true. I'm just going by what I've been seeing in these forums and many people are saying Matt needs that title push and he's ready. I think if that's what he "needs" then he needs to be let go and try in another company because like another poster said, the best he's getting in WWE is a sympathy run and that's if and only if something happens to Jeff in prison.