Im not going to give out that information. I will tell you that I wrestle in Arizona and I promise you wwe is not 100% staged. I work with former wwe employees, not every week but on occasion. Watch wwe dvd's and they even mention that everything isnt planned. DX use to do whatever they wanted, that daniel puder or whatever tried to break Angle's arm, Daniel Bryan choked Justin roberts and I could go on and on and on. Wrestling is not about scripts
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AmazingRed
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im sorry had to pipe in.... i could see christy storming off and all the fans jump the barricade and give Aries a beating he has never seen before.
Ok than she needs to quit and leave the business if she cant handle people being in character. The business is not going to change because of her. Stuff happens deal with it. If she wants to sue and lose her job and never work in the business again then I say go for it. And "unacceptable" is an opinion, I didnt see anything wrong with it. and for the people saying only virgins dont have a problem with it, Ive been with my girl 2 years and I have a child..far from a virgin. I asked my girl and she(also a wrestling fan) said she doesn't see anything wrong with it
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
No, Christy doesn't need to quit the business... The business needs to accept that hiding behind "it's in character" will not wash any longer... after all AW was fired for comments that were "in character" but deemed unacceptable. TNA's sponsors will not like this, and nor should they. It could simply come down to monetary damage to TNA... if it's cheaper to fire Aries than to lose the sponsorship then they'll do it.
If she sues and wins, she won't HAVE to work again because she will get millions in damages from TNA, the very money that may be the difference to survival or not.
"Stuff Happens"? So if someone in years to come, sticks their crotch in your child's face are you gonna say "stuff happens?" no, you'll be baying for blood...and the guy who says "I'm a wrestler but won't say where" why would you want to hide it? Could it be your opinions might embarrass your peers/company? or more likely your classmates...
If she sues and wins, she won't HAVE to work again because she will get millions in damages from TNA, the very money that may be the difference to survival or not.
"Stuff Happens"? So if someone in years to come, sticks their crotch in your child's face are you gonna say "stuff happens?" no, you'll be baying for blood...and the guy who says "I'm a wrestler but won't say where" why would you want to hide it? Could it be your opinions might embarrass your peers/company? or more likely your classmates...
First off...if my child was a wrestling announcer and a wrestler while in character put his crotch in my child's face than i would shut up and enjoy the show. Secondly... As a wrestler my goal is obviously to get to one of the three major US promotions, so why would I want my personal opinions of their wrestlers, story lines, booking, and management posted all over the internet? would you want to hire someone that openly bashes your product on the internet. AW was a completely different situation. AW made fun of a rape trial while also bashing one of the most popular NBA players of all time. WWE has some sort of deal with espn and im pretty sure there are way more business and political reasons why AW was fired, he wasnt fired because Kobe Bryant got mad or because it was unacceptable. I love how you tried to take this situation out of wrestling just so you could attempt to prove a point "So if someone in years to come, sticks their crotch in your child's face are you gonna say "stuff happens?" Really dude...what would you do if someone tossed your son off a giant metal cage...what would you do if someone hit your son in the head with a chair...what would you do if someone speared your child through a flaming table lol. Call it like it is guy. This is a show and Aries was giving the fans something to talk about, and apparently it worked
Sounds like a pretty shitty attitude; it's a wrestling show, so everything should be allowed.
Christy's already in the promotion
You mean to tell me wrestlers don't let their frustrations come out all the time? A list of the people that have openly criticized TNA that work within TNA in the last few years;
AJ Styles
Kurt Angle
Samoa Joe
Mickie James
Hulk Hogan
They aren't the only ones; Scott Steiner and Kevin Nash were critical of TNA while in the company, long before they were gone, but I could see that being twisted into sour grapes.
1. ESPN doesn't have any deal with WWE.
2. He was fired because what he did was unacceptable.
I get it; because it's a wrestling show, all should be forgiven. Except, in wrestling, you have to trust the people you work with. Being unprofessional doesn't benefit anyone; all it does is make you look like a jackass.
And yes, Aries was being completely unprofessional.
And this is why you'll never get out of the indies
This reeks of a work. If Hemme was really upset at what Aries did, I'm sure Nit-twit would be the last place she goes spewing off before talking to Dixie, and TNA management. I mean most ring announcers know before hand who comes out 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and so on before a match. This is exactly why Mark (Watts) Madden, and the IWC morons on here get ripped on by guys like Morgan. Hell, how many times has TNA tried doing "shoot" situations which ended up just being a work. Relax.
Let's just say this is an angle. I mean, let's just say this is all a work, and that this all is just working the fans.
What did this accomplish? What, if any, end game is there to this? Christy comes back as a manager? She's not a wrestler, there really isn't too much you can get out of this angle. Seeing as how there's three tag teams anyway, I don't see this as angle for a division that really needs it. Christy isn't attached to a wrestler, she's an announcer, not a wrestler. It would be like making Dave Penzer a part of WCW angles... What purpose does it serve?
So tell me; where do you see this angle going?
This post is laughable...Sounds like a pretty shitty attitude; it's a wrestling show, so everything should be allowed.
Christy's already in the promotion
You mean to tell me wrestlers don't let their frustrations come out all the time? A list of the people that have openly criticized TNA that work within TNA in the last few years;
AJ Styles
Kurt Angle
Samoa Joe
Mickie James
Hulk Hogan
They aren't the only ones; Scott Steiner and Kevin Nash were critical of TNA while in the company, long before they were gone, but I could see that being twisted into sour grapes.
1. ESPN doesn't have any deal with WWE.
2. He was fired because what he did was unacceptable.
I get it; because it's a wrestling show, all should be forgiven. Except, in wrestling, you have to trust the people you work with. Being unprofessional doesn't benefit anyone; all it does is make you look like a jackass.
And yes, Aries was being completely unprofessional.
And this is why you'll never get out of the indies
1. No everything shouldnt be allowed on a show, thats what the rating system is for. But a show should be viewed as a show. Austin Aries is a fictional character that put his nuts in another characters face...I dont see a problem with that. Ive seen much worse in movies lol
2. I have no clue what you were even talking about in your first paragraph...absolutely no clue. What does wrestlers criticizing TNA have to do with anything?
3. WWE is featured and covered on ESPN...If WWE didnt want them using their pictures, they could stop them. Their articles even say courtesy of WWE on them which leads me to believe that they got permission to use them. WWE doesnt seem like they would just give handouts so there probably is some sort of deal there
4. How was it unprofessional? Just because you dont like it? Aries acted within the means of his character. He acted as a villain because that's what he is. His job is to make people hate him and thats what he was trying to accomplish...HE WAS DOING HIS JOB!!!!!!!
WHY AM I EVEN HERE DEFENDING THIS....TNA SUCKS WITH OR WITHOUT ARIES
AmazingRed
Dark Match Winner
why is no one talking on how lilian garcia was botching names and weights and towns wrestlers are from?
Except one of the people he was working with wasn't cool with what happened
That plenty of wrestlers bitch about working for TNA.
ESPN features the NHL; doesn't mean that they have a "deal".
Because it's sexual harassment.
Looks like we found a person that didn't get enough votes online for the Gut Check challenge
@AustinAries 17h
Pretty nuts, some of the junk people get the balls to say over the net, knowing they couldn't to your face...Eh, anyway, time to sack out.
With this I normally wouldn't agree with Mark Madden, but he is taking outrages of people and literally turning it into a joke...Sorry but on A doubles part not cool at all...
Pretty nuts, some of the junk people get the balls to say over the net, knowing they couldn't to your face...Eh, anyway, time to sack out.
With this I normally wouldn't agree with Mark Madden, but he is taking outrages of people and literally turning it into a joke...Sorry but on A doubles part not cool at all...
If its two characters on a show than it is not sexual harrasmentExcept one of the people he was working with wasn't cool with what happened
That plenty of wrestlers bitch about working for TNA.
ESPN features the NHL; doesn't mean that they have a "deal".
Because it's sexual harassment.
Looks like we found a person that didn't get enough votes online for the Gut Check challenge
Have you ever heard of trademarks. NHL allows espn to cover them or else it would be illegal to make money off of the NHL name and the NHL would sue them
hahaha...I didn't do the Gut Check thing...I would have love to, but i didnt. I had a very good friend of mine do it but he didn't get enough votes...I would love to work for TNA I just don't love watching it
Except one of the people he was working with wasn't cool with what happened
Besides Hemme's tweet, and Fat Madden's spewage, how do you really know she wasn't cool with what happened? Did you actually call her the next day? Did you go to her house? Do have any real evidence besides some stupid tweet? And don't give the lame excuse by how she looked in the ring. Everyone thought HBK was completely clueless in Montreal, and he knew all along. It's called acting. You see it all the time in movies, and tv shows.
You still have yet to answer exactly what this purpose serves.
Also, even if all I have is a tweet, all you have to back your idea is speculation that comes from... Well, just from your opinion.
So, what we have here is one tweet, versus a baseless opinion.
Me: 1, you: 0.
Mark Madden doesn't want Aries fired. Mark Madden wants you to read his article, and then talk about it.
As I say this on page seven, I can say - "Well done, Mark."
Continuing to acknowledge and respond to this awful, lowest common denominator form of journalism is what's driving serious criticism of wrestling to the fringes. Just stop acknowledging this sort of reactionary idiocy and we'll all be better off.
As I say this on page seven, I can say - "Well done, Mark."
Continuing to acknowledge and respond to this awful, lowest common denominator form of journalism is what's driving serious criticism of wrestling to the fringes. Just stop acknowledging this sort of reactionary idiocy and we'll all be better off.
Judah's Lion
the Icon
i'm a married man. if this exact situation happened to my wife -- in the middle of the ring on national freaking television -- i'd be pissed. like a whole new level of pissed.
that said, Christy has a choice too. it's not just up to Dixie or Hogan or Aries or any other name you can throw in the mix. Christy has a choice to stand up for herself or not. if she truly feels violated in any way, speak up.
if it were my wife, i'd demand a public apology. just as public as the violation was. have Christy in the center of the ring and have Aries come on down the ramp, get an appropriate distance from her, and apologize for the whole thing. explain why he feels the urgency to apologize. ask for her forgiveness and a second chance to prove that it was just a mistake.
now here's the tricky bit... Christy should then accept his apology, forgive him and move on. that's the mature, not-hot-headed thing to do.
Christy holds all the cards here. if nothing gets done about it, or there is some form of punishment by the company towards Aries and then something like this happens again, Christy has video of this whole incident. she could take it to any lawyer in the world and have evidence that a couple million people witnessed this whole deal.
Madden's heart is in the right place. a bit hypocritical, but still in the right place. but ultimately it's up to Christy, methinks, what action, if any, should be taken.
that said, Christy has a choice too. it's not just up to Dixie or Hogan or Aries or any other name you can throw in the mix. Christy has a choice to stand up for herself or not. if she truly feels violated in any way, speak up.
if it were my wife, i'd demand a public apology. just as public as the violation was. have Christy in the center of the ring and have Aries come on down the ramp, get an appropriate distance from her, and apologize for the whole thing. explain why he feels the urgency to apologize. ask for her forgiveness and a second chance to prove that it was just a mistake.
now here's the tricky bit... Christy should then accept his apology, forgive him and move on. that's the mature, not-hot-headed thing to do.
Christy holds all the cards here. if nothing gets done about it, or there is some form of punishment by the company towards Aries and then something like this happens again, Christy has video of this whole incident. she could take it to any lawyer in the world and have evidence that a couple million people witnessed this whole deal.
Madden's heart is in the right place. a bit hypocritical, but still in the right place. but ultimately it's up to Christy, methinks, what action, if any, should be taken.
Congratulations but at what point did I say anything was completely and totally planned 100%? I never did. I said anyone who has been on the other side of the curtain because I assumed most places were as professional as the places I worked. I apologize if you feel this was some kind of knock on unplanned or unscripted work, it obviously was not. My first match I was almost rushed by the crowd so I know things can go haywire fast. If my wife (who attended my shows, training camps and became friends with the people there) were put in that situation I would have taken my arse out to that ring and done what needed to be done. To say that because you've been on the other side and you can treat a person NOT like a person DOES NOT make it right.
Oh, and for the record, I was personally against the Stratus angle, as well as Katie Vick, Vince Vs. God and on and on.. just because things are done in the business doesn't make them the right call.
If you'd like to pretend that you can get away with anything, that's fine. I don't know you, where you worked or who you worked for. From MY experience without her permission it would not have been acceptable. From MY experience that showed a complete lack of class and professionalism from Aries. I don't pretend to be a big hotshot or know it all. I simply stated my case and said it should give you room for pause.
Perhaps what I should have said was this...
It should give adult, professional, morally ethical people pause. Since there is an entire segment of this audience that seems to think it is alright.
SpecialFNK
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I haven't seen any of the tweets, so don't know what the participants have had to say about it.
this could be a big deal, little deal, or no deal.
if Aries did this and Hemme had no knowledge it was going to happen, then I can totally understand her being upset. in this case she has a legitimate case for sexual harassment. he doesn't have to make contact with her for this to be such.
but what if this was planned, but people weren't supposed to know this was planned. it's certainly getting the name out there.
I don't think this is the case, but I don't think we know.
even if this was Aries being an idiot, I don't imagine he would get fired. suspended maybe, but fired seems like a bold move.
I'm not really an Aries fan where he is right now, so suspended or fired wouldn't bother me. I think he should be back down in the X division again. he was good in the X division, and then when he won the heavyweight title it was down hill from there. that was when TNA started going down. I don't see him as someone who should be in the main event level. he's doing OK as a tag team with Bobby Roode, but Aries could get demoted back to the X division and Roode can get back to the main event level where he belongs.
this could be a big deal, little deal, or no deal.
if Aries did this and Hemme had no knowledge it was going to happen, then I can totally understand her being upset. in this case she has a legitimate case for sexual harassment. he doesn't have to make contact with her for this to be such.
but what if this was planned, but people weren't supposed to know this was planned. it's certainly getting the name out there.
I don't think this is the case, but I don't think we know.
even if this was Aries being an idiot, I don't imagine he would get fired. suspended maybe, but fired seems like a bold move.
I'm not really an Aries fan where he is right now, so suspended or fired wouldn't bother me. I think he should be back down in the X division again. he was good in the X division, and then when he won the heavyweight title it was down hill from there. that was when TNA started going down. I don't see him as someone who should be in the main event level. he's doing OK as a tag team with Bobby Roode, but Aries could get demoted back to the X division and Roode can get back to the main event level where he belongs.
Oh yeah. I'd love to have the greatest crotch that ever lived in my face. But putting 15 seconds of homosexuality from my part aside, it's both Austin Aries' and Christy Hemme's jobs to go out there to entertain. Aries is to be hated, Christy's is to look pretty and say names. She got the latter wrong and Austin decided to roll with it for a 10 second gag to make light out of a slip up. It's not like he was "hey, look at my crotch" and started taunting her. He just did his pose on the top rope. Like I said in my previous post, if Hemme wants to sue, then let her. Why the hell do we need to tell them what to do about it?
Why are a bunch of people that saw it happen and have no clue if they talked it out already or if Mark Madden is being the fat princess he always likes to act getting so unbelievably worked up about it though is beyond me. Why do we have to tell the other adults what to do?
so pretty much what your saying is that if I dont agree with your opinion then I am not an adult? Nobody said you can do whatever you want. People should pay for their actions but to suspend or fire a man for playing his character is just plain stupid.
ECPirate37
Pre-Show Stalwart
Has anyone else noticed that the tweet has been deleted on @HemmePowered's page? That probably either happened because of A> It wasn't a big deal and she didn't want it to be a big deal. Or B> It was a big deal, HR got involved, and they stated it should be taken down.
I would find it hard to believe that they would allow Joey Ryan to do what he does, and then sanction Austin Aries over this. I thought it was hilarious when I saw it, and I'm usually a feminist.
From an HR standpoint, they can talk to him about it, giving him a formal warning, but they do not have grounds to fire him. They really do not have grounds to suspend him due to prior precedent of Joey Ryan the previous weeks.
How about we don't worry about it, and we allow Austin, Christy, and TNA worry about it. Let's just enjoy wrestling.
I would find it hard to believe that they would allow Joey Ryan to do what he does, and then sanction Austin Aries over this. I thought it was hilarious when I saw it, and I'm usually a feminist.
From an HR standpoint, they can talk to him about it, giving him a formal warning, but they do not have grounds to fire him. They really do not have grounds to suspend him due to prior precedent of Joey Ryan the previous weeks.
How about we don't worry about it, and we allow Austin, Christy, and TNA worry about it. Let's just enjoy wrestling.
The way I see it, Aries took major heat of Hemme. What started out as an obvious and embarrassing botch by an announcer that will be ridiculed and laughed at as soon as Maffew decides to throw it up on Botchmania, has now turned into a relatively minor botch in contrast to what Aries did afterwards. So In essence Austin Aries has become the rodeo clown drawing attention to him, and covering up an embarrassing mistake by the announcer. People will be talking about what Aries did, and focusing less on the Hemme mistake.
Now if this was a random thing he did just for the hell of it, it might be an issue. But it's not. Simply grabbing the mic and have her repeat the intro wasn't going to work, he needed to add an exclamation point at the end...and for the sake of the show, I'm glad he did. When you're working live, you need to think quickly on you're feet when mistakes happen, and Aries did that as best as he could. He had the foresight to see what would have happened if he just let it linger out there. Now you may not like the method by which he chose to do it, but ask yourself this. What would YOU have done in this situation?
This whole story is non-issue. Sounds like a lot of WWE fans are growing nostalgic for some of that 'atitude era' programming of yesteryear and have chosen a vague tweet, to vent their frustrations.
Now if this was a random thing he did just for the hell of it, it might be an issue. But it's not. Simply grabbing the mic and have her repeat the intro wasn't going to work, he needed to add an exclamation point at the end...and for the sake of the show, I'm glad he did. When you're working live, you need to think quickly on you're feet when mistakes happen, and Aries did that as best as he could. He had the foresight to see what would have happened if he just let it linger out there. Now you may not like the method by which he chose to do it, but ask yourself this. What would YOU have done in this situation?
This whole story is non-issue. Sounds like a lot of WWE fans are growing nostalgic for some of that 'atitude era' programming of yesteryear and have chosen a vague tweet, to vent their frustrations.
What did i say that indicated i was pissed. I lumped you in with the other tna marks not because i disagreed either. I already made a list of things you did to make you me think you were a tna mark. And how would my logic make me a wwe mark. I never once mentioned wwe. Your the one that seems mad since your throwing around the word hate.
You disrespected mark madden, and then you tell others not to disrespect you. Thats being a hypocrite.
So you think that because she did something wrong she deserves to have a guys junk in her face. She was cornered and then had a guys junk in her face.Really?! Talent does not matter? I could swear that is what gets you the job. I don't believe his stunt was right, but it was a far cry from sexual harassment. He climbed the turnbuckle and humiliated her for fucking up the ring intro. He didn't stick any of his junk directly on Hemme and he was probably just messing with her for the obvious screwup. People these days are too damn sensitive. Everything and anything constitutes bullying or sexual harassment. I watched that and didn't think sexual harassment, nor did I think he bullied her. It was his reaction to the screw up to which everyone online overacted to. It's that simple.
Oh yeah, p.s. I never wanted to go head to head. Good to see you don't have a childlike mentality about it.
You like austin aries and i get that, hes very talented. But he did something wrong and should be reprimanded for it. His talent doesn't give him a right to do whatever he wants to anyone. And you thinking that is what makes you like all other idiotic tna marks. You could care less what any top tna talent does, as you will just suck his dick anyway.
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
Wow, quite a response.
It was weird what happened on Thursday and what's weirder for me is hearing stories of Aries being trouble to work with. I've met Aries, albeit last year so maybe he was worse when he was younger, and he was actually quite nice. Really bright guy, very well spoken, and I didn't sense much attitude at all. If anything, the fact that he said that he appreciates the fans that treat him the worst (this was when he was a good guy) said to me that he's a decent guy. That said, this was a 10 minute conversation in a long lifespan so I'm not using that as the only possible judgment for the guy.
What he did at Impact was wrong. I don't think that part should be debated. If you want to bully her into saying the names right to look like a heel, that's fine. Forcibly going to the corner the way he did was crossing the line and when that happens, it's not our business to know how it's handled, but it must be handled.
See, I remember hearing stories about WCW and how the "inmates ran the asylum". If you are TNA, you don't want that. If it's Dixie in charge, she needs to handle this quickly. I'd say a reasonable punishment is working the next TV taping (so two shows) without pay and a meeting with Dixie where she tells him that behavior like this is unacceptable and if another incident occurs, stricter punishment will be given. Now, I don't need a public apology or to know that this happened, it just needs to happen. He should go to Christy and tell her that he got caught up in the moment and cross the line, but that's just being a man. You shouldn't need to be apologize when you've done wrong.
I hope something is done but I hope we don't hear about it. The guy made a mistake and it was an embarrassing one for TNA. It looks unprofessional and things like that don't help your image as a company just like Jay Briscoe's tweets don't help ROH. The thing is, there's a way to handle it internally and a good boss will lay down the law and make sure it's a one time thing. I hope Dixie is that boss.
It was weird what happened on Thursday and what's weirder for me is hearing stories of Aries being trouble to work with. I've met Aries, albeit last year so maybe he was worse when he was younger, and he was actually quite nice. Really bright guy, very well spoken, and I didn't sense much attitude at all. If anything, the fact that he said that he appreciates the fans that treat him the worst (this was when he was a good guy) said to me that he's a decent guy. That said, this was a 10 minute conversation in a long lifespan so I'm not using that as the only possible judgment for the guy.
What he did at Impact was wrong. I don't think that part should be debated. If you want to bully her into saying the names right to look like a heel, that's fine. Forcibly going to the corner the way he did was crossing the line and when that happens, it's not our business to know how it's handled, but it must be handled.
See, I remember hearing stories about WCW and how the "inmates ran the asylum". If you are TNA, you don't want that. If it's Dixie in charge, she needs to handle this quickly. I'd say a reasonable punishment is working the next TV taping (so two shows) without pay and a meeting with Dixie where she tells him that behavior like this is unacceptable and if another incident occurs, stricter punishment will be given. Now, I don't need a public apology or to know that this happened, it just needs to happen. He should go to Christy and tell her that he got caught up in the moment and cross the line, but that's just being a man. You shouldn't need to be apologize when you've done wrong.
I hope something is done but I hope we don't hear about it. The guy made a mistake and it was an embarrassing one for TNA. It looks unprofessional and things like that don't help your image as a company just like Jay Briscoe's tweets don't help ROH. The thing is, there's a way to handle it internally and a good boss will lay down the law and make sure it's a one time thing. I hope Dixie is that boss.
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