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Their little refusal to fight each other is beyond pathetic at this point. Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leonard must be rolling over in their graves witnessing these two *****ES spit on the division they made famous. It fucking makes my blood boil.

I wish Game_Rage was here to defend up for this shit (he'll most likely make another alt and reply though), because Boxing could not look worse right now. Not only do you have these two scared of fighting each other, but you also have Haye and the Klitschko Brothers dodging each other as well. It's seriously mind-boggling how many *****es fill that sport up right now. Thank God for the Middleweight Division is all I can say at this point. There are REAL fighters in that division at least who make the sport proud.

Anyways, I guess I better ask a relevant question here.... so, who's side are you on: Manny or Mayweather? Or are you on neither side, like me? Also, why do you think they refuse to fight each other? Are they simply just a couple of *****es, or do you think one (or both) have legitimate, solid reasons why not to fight?
 
Last thing I heard from either of these guys was that progress had been made in an attempt to get this mega-fight underway. However, I must say that it has become somewhat of a farce recently and I have changed my way of looking at it.

As the fight was rumoured, I was over the moon with anticipation, thinking that both of these guys would go out for a win and give us the huge boxing fight that we both deserve and need right now. I think boxing is a dying sport and MMA is really starting to fasten the grip it has on the throat of boxing. I think that boxing is becoming redundant as more well-rounded fighters decide to forego boxing and join the ranks of the UFC and beyond. What boxing needs to do is to promote the hell out of the biggest fights that it can get and nothing is bigger than Manny vs. Floyd. However, I think you hit the nail right on the head when you said that these guys are scared to fight each other.

The last I had heard was that Mayweather demanded that Pacquiao take a random drug test up to 7 days before the fight date. To me, I don’t see any problem with that if Mayweather would put himself forward for that treatment as well. That’s not likely to happen though. The way I see it is that Mayweather is acting as if he doesn’t trust Pacquiao and that is really what it comes down to. Is Mayweather’s ego so big that he thinks Pacquiao can’t defeat him without performance enhancing drugs? Probably. Let’s face it, this match means everything to these guys, win or lose. Their place in history is already strong but winning this fight could cement them as one of the greatest ever.

I think I am on Mayweather’s side with the drug testing though. I mean, Pacquiao has agreed to drug testing 14 days before the fight, right? So then why is 7 days a problem? I know that it is all about trust and Pacquiao feels as though he is being used as a tool in the fight. Mayweather keeps coming up with roadblocks and Pacquiao is not standing for it. Really, both of these guys are equally to blame but I still feel that both of them should man up and just do what they do best. They need to realise that this fight is bigger than both of them and their careers. This fight is a signal of intent from boxing and it very much needs a fight like this these days.

I doubt we will ever see this fight and if we do I will still be pleasantly surprised but this ducking of the other man has really taken the shine off of this fight for me.
 
I'm not really picking a side, but it seems to me that most of this crap is due to Mayweather. The guy has a bigger ego than most of the rest of the world combined and it's coming off like he's afraid Manny will beat him and ruin his undefeated streak. It's a shame too cuz boxing is losing it's fanbase and this would be a nice bright spot for the sport, but they're just making it look terrible. Just do it already. They're supposed to be competitors.
 
Mayweather wanted olympic style testing and pac stalled as he has a fear of needles and also pac said that giving blood would make him weaker and give mayweather an advantage as the larger man.Before the mosley fight, mayweather made a set of demands which pac stalled at, after that fight pac agreed to his demands but now mayweather makes a new set of demands including testing up to the day of the fight and a 60/40 split too.Pac has agreed to the purse split but will not bend on the 14 day testing, my main gripe with this is the fact that you get urine tested after the fight anyway so if pac is on PEDS then what good would taking a 2 week course of them do for him?(with the 14 day ending up to fight night)

There is also the rumour going around that with uncle roger to stand trial next month, mayweather is hesitant to sign the contract and then have to fight without his trainer, there is also underlying hatred between mayweather and Bob Arum(pacs promoter) from when Mayweather left Top Rank.So this is a messy situation that i think will eventually clear up and make these 2 a shitload of money and break all box office records.

In summary, i feel that there is no cast iron figure to blame although if pushed to point the finger then that would be in the direction of Mayweather.
 
Well, from what I know about the situation, I'm sort of on Mayweather's side. Only slightly though, because I'm frustrated at both of them for dragging this thing out. From what I know, Mayweather wanted some drug testing in the weeks leading up to the fight. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this, assuming Mayweather and Pacquiao were both subject to the exact same testing procedure. One question I have though is did Mayweather demand this because he had genuine suspicions about Pacquiao, or did he do it to create a reason to stop the fight going ahead?

I'm obviously in no place to be able to come to a fair conclusion on that, but the thought that remains in my mind is why didn't Pacquiao just agree? Is he hiding something or is he using this as an exuse to dodge the fight. Once again, it's impossible for me to say, but either way, Mayweather layed out some perfectly acceptable terms for the fight and Pacquiao refused them. This is basically why I'm slightly blaming Pacquiao, but at the end of the day, both could have easily been using this situation to dodge the fight, and it's extremely frustrating. The whole situation smells of two great fighters who are scared to fight each other, in the fear that a desisive better man will be crowned. Instead, they're both happy to just claim they are the best, and not take up the challenge of proving it.
 
God good, these guys are both pissing me off to no end. Pacquiao needs to man up and take the tests, if he's able to fight a 12 round boxing match then his bitch ass can take a fucking needle, especially with the payday he'll be recieving after the fight, this should be a no brainer for Pac, it makes me think he's scared to fight. I'm with Mayweather on this, Pac looks like a guy on roids, I remember when I first saw him I said "His head looks like Chris Benoit" so Moneys concerns are legit.

They need to come up with some new testing rules, or Pac needs to just comply. Cause they are depriving themselves, and the sport they love of a HUGE payday.
 
Hey Yo!

Both fighters are to blame.

Seriously deep down, i know that this was a publicity stunt to get people talking about boxing again, seriously the sport is struggling because of people ducking fights for the shittest of reasons. Floyd Mayweather has a right to test Pacquio, but on the other hand how many tests does he want the guy to go through he is not a guinea pig. But like i said this was just a publicity stunt to get people talking about boxing again, because it did have people talking right.
 
Last I heard there was a deal in place and they were waiting on Mayweather, giving him a deadline to sign up for this fight. Being the kinda guy who doesn't like be told what to do and when to do it, he of course didn't sign.

This is getting beyond rediculous. We should have already talked about this fight and how either PacMan proved he is P4P the best, or how Mayweather cemented himself as one of the greatest. Instead, we are sitting here waiting for a fight that continues to lose it luster. I for one am just tired and don't care anymore if we see this fight. If we do, great, bring that shit on. If not, oh well. I've never seen two guys who have an opportunity to make the most money they've ever made, stall so much. Its pathetic. As a guy who only watches boxing, I must say I'm embarassed by this.
 
These two guys right here are the personification for why boxing is a dying sport, at least in America. Do you think Dana White and the UFC would have allowed Shane Carwin and Brock Lesnar to pull off this crap? Of course not. It was a big money fight people wanted to see, and they got it.

Boxing has no such authority on its fighters. There is no boxing company that "owns" its athletes, they all negotiate on their own terms, and this pile of BS is what we get in return. To be honest, I think Mayweather's insistence on stringent PEDs testing is completely reasonable. If you have nothing to hide, why fight it. This crap about being weakened before the fight is just silly, in my opinion.

The fact is, both men are too scared to lose this fight, and both men's ego is so great they don't want this fight. They can posture all they want, say what they want, but just like Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan in pro wrestling, this fight will be long passed it's interest when it happens, if it ever happens. Both guys are already in their 30s, and before long, their performance will suffer, if it hasn't already.

Until boxing has a company step to the front, like the UFC has in MMA, and take charge, contract its fighters out for multiple fights they choose, and run things with authority, boxing (at least in America) will continue to die a slow death, which is a shame, because boxing has such a rich history that should be celebrated on the same scale Major League Baseball celebrates its history..and like pro wrestling celebrates its history.
 
I love Money Mayweather and i am gonna try to defend him here. His whole persona is an undefeated fighter and he'd be stupid to fight Manny. Especially if Manny pounds him. He'd lose all credibility and it would just be a bad move. This sport is all about an image. Both Mayweather and Manny are great fighters, a win would be huge, but what comes from a loss? A smaller check?

I have no problem with Money's testing. If you aren't hiding shit you have nothing to lose. If Manny agreed to it months ago they would have fought. And i don't know much about this topic, but did Manny really say a blood test would weaken him? Give me a break you puss, you aren't 12, if you get weakened by a blood test you have a serious problem.

So yeah, I'd love to see a fight, but I know this isn't going happen because both fighters want something different, and a loss would tarnish their legacy.
 
I love Money Mayweather and i am gonna try to defend him here. His whole persona is an undefeated fighter and he'd be stupid to fight Manny. Especially if Manny pounds him. He'd lose all credibility and it would just be a bad move. This sport is all about an image. Both Mayweather and Manny are great fighters, a win would be huge, but what comes from a loss? A smaller check?

I have no problem with Money's testing. If you aren't hiding shit you have nothing to lose. If Manny agreed to it months ago they would have fought. And i don't know much about this topic, but did Manny really say a blood test would weaken him? Give me a break you puss, you aren't 12, if you get weakened by a blood test you have a serious problem.

So yeah, I'd love to see a fight, but I know this isn't going happen because both fighters want something different, and a loss would tarnish their legacy.

You’re not doing a very good job of it.

What you are failing to mention is that both of these guys are only as credible as the fans say they are. If no one wants to see their fights after this episode, how can you possibly say that they are still credible?

Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao owe this match to their fans that have gotten to where they are today but both of them are fucking *****es. Neither man wants to lose, like you have stated but that should not be a motivation to try and dodge the fight at all. This episode screams to me that both men want to act as if they want to fight but when it comes to the crunch and getting it on a card, they suddenly have problems appear all over the place.

As for the blood test. I got blood taken a couple of weeks back and all I wanted to do after it is sleep. They took 8 vials of blood from me and it left me feeling absolutely drained. Now think if I was a professional athlete and the main point of my sport was how athletic and sharp I was. I can definitely see where he is coming from. Imagine that you are exhausting yourself in the gym every day and than have the blood tests on top of that. Pacquiao has every right to turn it down that close to the fight.
 
I love Money Mayweather and i am gonna try to defend him here. His whole persona is an undefeated fighter and he'd be stupid to fight Manny. Especially if Manny pounds him. He'd lose all credibility and it would just be a bad move. This sport is all about an image. Both Mayweather and Manny are great fighters, a win would be huge, but what comes from a loss? A smaller check?

I have no problem with Money's testing. If you aren't hiding shit you have nothing to lose. If Manny agreed to it months ago they would have fought. And i don't know much about this topic, but did Manny really say a blood test would weaken him? Give me a break you puss, you aren't 12, if you get weakened by a blood test you have a serious problem.

So yeah, I'd love to see a fight, but I know this isn't going happen because both fighters want something different, and a loss would tarnish their legacy.

Floyd is using his propaganda about wanting to clean up the sport, if he wanted to clean up the sport then why start asking your opponents now to take olympic style testing.Fact is if you fight in Vegas then you go by the Nevada State Athletics commision's testing, if you fight is Dallas you go by the Texas testing laws, this is not a fight in the olympics so why should Manny bend to Mayweathers rules? Top Rank and Pacquiao have agreed to Mayweathers rules by agreeing to the 14 day rule and the 50/50 split but money may moves the goalposts and then demands a 60/40 split and testing upto the day of the fight, why should Manny then agree to this when obviously all these state commisions are there for a reason and do there job properly.I cant fathom how if Manny was on steroids, how he could gain anything from taking them in the 14 days leading to the fight and how he could get clean for the mandatory blood and urine tests after the fight.

I also dont agree with your assumption that Mayweather cares about his undefeated tag as he only fights for money, he does not care about legacy, he has stated this fact many times.I know where you are coming from when you say he could command more money with his undefeated tag still intact, but the fact is this is the biggest fight by far he can make and even if he were to lose there would be a rematch clause in the contract that would guarentee him more cash in taking these fights than his next 5 combined.

I think i must have written the word money about 40 times there lol.
 
Is this actually happening? People actually defending Money May? Wow..

First things first, I like BOTH fighters. (Actually, take it back, I LIKED Mayweather)

Let's look at ALL the details people. What happened was this..

The fight was going to happen, and Floyd starting putting up demands in order for him to take the fight..

Manny accepted..

Then Floyd put ANOTHER stipulation about the olympic testing and so forth, and Manny AGREED.

HOWEVER, then Floyd said it needed to be right before the fight, or not on a (I believe two weeks) or a non scheduled test, and Manny said he couldn't do it that soon because it makes him weak or something so sporatic because of that reason. He THEN said that he'd take the test immediately after the fight to prove he didn't have it in his system, but not before and Floyd didn't agree. So the fight didn't happen.

The arguments starting about Manny on substances which is why he doesnt want to be tested, and the arguments about Floyd ducking Manny.

Personally, I think the fact that Floyd coming out making these demands to the CHAMPION shows his ego, his cockyness, and his paranoid-ness about losing is on an all time high. Trying to do everything to expose Manny in some form and fashion so he doesn't have to fight him..

Well to jump into the PRESENT.

Manny said he'd do ANYTHING to fight now. Tests and everything. Anytime, and anywhere. He'd do it all. The fight would take place in November so Floyd needed to respond by last Friday. And this would be Manny's LAST FIGHT. If he didn't respond, Manny would then have to plan his last fight and his future from there.

Floyd didn't not respond, did not comment, and avoided everything.

Bottom line, he doesn't want to fight Manny.

I mean think about it, why would Floyd leave retirement. To prove that he's still the best right? Then why not fight Manny. And not just because he wants to prove something, but for the damn sport!

Even if Manny or Floyd loses, it'll be great for the sport! But Floyd doesn't want to lose his flair, so he is avoiding him.
 
I think this is all on Mayweather. Without him putting these demands up this fight would already have been signed and over with by now, but this guy knows that for the first time in his career he has a legitimate chance of losing and losing in a rather ungraceful manner(KO). I could give you the run down of this guys whole career and here is goes. Mayweather hasn't beat anyone worth a shit. Sure, he has some names he can claim on his resume, but this little bastard has picked his spots like he's playing connect the dots. He's always got people at the end of their rope, after fights that had lasting effects into their fights with him, or he's just found people he knew were far less skilled or smaller than him.

Mayweather's never been in a war like Pacquiao has and he knows it. He knows that this guy isn't going to go away or slow down if he gets caught with even with the hardest punch Mayweather can throw. On the flip side of that coin going back a statement, he's not battle tested and that scares the shit out of him because he doesn't know if he's going to have what it takes when it comes down to it. When Pacquiao is hitting him with his best stuff, hunting him down, and continually delivering punishment, Mayweather has no clue whether he is going to be able to fight or fold. With that said, everything in his career will be riding on this one fight. If Mayweather wins he can keep running his mouth about how great he is and how he always said as much but no one believed him. If he loses, the critics become right and everyone can then say "See, he finally fought someone in their prime, whom he didn't have every physical advantage over, and when that happened he lost. He was never that good, he was opportunistic"


Originally posted by: Dave Mizianin

As for the blood test. I got blood taken a couple of weeks back and all I wanted to do after it is sleep. They took 8 vials of blood from me and it left me feeling absolutely drained. Now think if I was a professional athlete and the main point of my sport was how athletic and sharp I was. I can definitely see where he is coming from. Imagine that you are exhausting yourself in the gym every day and than have the blood tests on top of that. Pacquiao has every right to turn it down that close to the fight.


Thank you. Your testimony is perfect evidence to exactly why Mayweather is pushing this so hard. Take this into consideration; If Pacquiao is going this consistently throughout his training and it has this effect on him which it does, how much time training do you think he will lose? I'll tell you. Pac has said that it drains him pretty bad and it takes him 2-3 days to get back to 100%, that's not unrealistic either considering this is a guy who naturally is only about 112lbs. You take much blood from that body and it's taxing. So, if he is testing every week at least once, they train for 12 weeks, 3 days lost each week, that adds up to 36 days he could potentially miss. Now, don't you think that would effect him come fight night? Of course it would, he's miss a couple weeks of training and not be at his best. Mayweather knows that and is doing anything he can to get any edge he can. Mentally, that would have to mess with Pacquiao too as he would go in knowing he isn't as prepared as he COULD be. It throws off his training regiment, which in turn means he can't get into the condition he needs to be in to take this fight.

Let me tell you, a Boxers training is set up a specific way, with different training procedures at different points of the training period, to maximize the physical conditioning and preparedness at the specific point of time in which they will be fighting. It's progressive. You might start the first 2 weeks focusing on getting your stamina up but you can't push it too hard the whole time or you'll actually have less so there is a window of time to do that, then the next 2 week after you've got your stamina raised a bit you might start working on your strength, this too can't be overdone or you just make yourself weaker so there is a window of time to do the most intense part of that as well. The next couple weeks you might be working on your footwork getting your legs more conditioned, then the next couple weeks your speed, etc... If you are having to take time off of all those things you won't be half the fighter going in you could be as it is, as I said, progressive. If you understand the concept of compound interest, it's the same thing. The body is an instrument and has to be finely tuned. Mayweather wants the instrument of pain he would have to fight to be as poorly tuned as possible.



Originally posted by: Super Hans

I also dont agree with your assumption that Mayweather cares about his undefeated tag as he only fights for money, he does not care about legacy, he has stated this fact many times.I know where you are coming from when you say he could command more money with his undefeated tag still intact, but the fact is this is the biggest fight by far he can make and even if he were to lose there would be a rematch clause in the contract that would guarantee him more cash in taking these fights than his next 5 combined.

Oh he cares all right, that is why he is so apprehensive about taking this fight. His "Undefeated" record is his bread and butter, it's what validates his high pay scale. Otherwise there is no reason to give him that much money because he isn't that entertaining to watch anyways. But, he goes around making his claims, using his "Undefeated" record to back that up, saying he's worth every penny. Once he gets his ass kicked by Pacquiao his stock drops dramatically. Sure, he's told the public this and that, but that's what he wants you to hear. It's a front, a gimmick, a tool he uses to garner interest and fans. All Fighters fight for money, don't let any one of them tell you otherwise. Even the most sincere is either blatantly lying to you, or lying to themselves. If it's not at all about money than why wouldn't they be doing something that they don't have to take a beating to make money at? Because most of these guys couldn't do much else. That's a pretty harsh statement but it's true.


There is one more big point and I promise I am done. There is a big underlying principle here that Mayweather is dismissing. Up until the Mosley fight, where Mayweather found someone to bend to his will. Not one time in boxing history had a fighter determined the rules surrounding the fight or the drug testing policy surrounding the fight. As someone else noted earlier, that is the job of the sanctioning body. Those who have cheated in the past have been busted, they do their job just fine. It's not up to Mayweather to decide those terms, he has no place in that conversation. That is why he has made the accusations, or should I say excuses to put his place in that conversation.

Back when James Braddock fought Joe Louis, Braddock knew he was going to get his ass kicked so he had special stipulations put on the fight regarding the purse(he and his manager would receive 10% of any purse Joe Louis would win in the next 10 years) That is the only instance of a fighter making the terms of a fight I have ever heard of besides when the rule was put in place by Jack Dempsey that upon a knockdown the opponent must go to a neutral corner and still neither situation had anything to do with preparations for the fight. Mayweather acts as though he, his will, and his ego(a holy trinity! who knew?!) are bigger than the sport. That is not so and if anyone were it certainly wouldn't be him.

Pacquiao to me at least, is the the most innocent party in this situation. He's not the one doing the negotiating, that's Bob Arum and Co. doing all that, and they have an axe to grind with Mayweather already due to past issues so what you really have are politics between to former allies getting in the way of one of the biggest fights of all time. Pacquiao, I can guarantee, is not worried about Mayweather. But, he sure as hell isn't going to let this guy get the advantage over him, he is at least smart enough to recognize what is going on and what Mayweather is trying to do. I don't find it unreasonable, especially considering the slanderous accusations that have been thrown at him without warrant. I would like for this to just go down so that Mayweather can finally, just go down.
 

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